I am a proud African American man. I am proud of the African American history. I am proud of what African Americans accomplished during the Civil Rights Movement. And I am proud of what the students did at Central High School in Little Rock.
But I am not somebody who holds resentment towards anybody. I am not somebody who is expecting an apology from anyone, even though someone told me a long time ago we shouldn't have to continue to apologize for what happened in the Civil Rights Movement. I wasn't there, so I wasn't expecting an apology. But that doesn't mean that I'm not proud of its history. And if you weren't there and had nothing to do with it, you shouldn't have had to apologize at all.
I have to do a research project at school. I have to create a superhero, for example, like Wonder Woman, but it doesn't have to be Wonder Woman I'm just using that as an example. And she or he has to have multiple different super powers, and she or he either changes or stops an event in history from 1873 to 2018. And it just has to be one event, like the civil rights movement or World War II. Or it could be 9/11 or anything that happened in history.
I am doing my research project on the Civil Rights Movement. My fear is because I am African-American and race has actually become very controversial. And I am the only African-American in my history class, which I don't think matters but sometimes I am afraid that it does. I do not believe anyone is racist in my class, but I am just afraid of my project that it is going to cause some friction. I don't know.
I guess my question is, do you think it is racist that an African American loves his own history? Do you think it's racist that an African-American loves his own history above all the other historical events?
: worthlessness1979 Thu Mar 15, 2018 - 07:05:17I guess my question is, do you think it is racist that an African American loves his own history? Do you think it's racist that an African-American loves his own history above all the other historical events?
I believe that identifying oneself as African-American as opposed to American is a bit racist to begin with. I understand it, but still I believe it is somewhat racist. Part of the reason that race has become so controversial is due to so many who work so hard at establishing identity politics.
Should you be proud of your ancestral heritage? Of course, and that just as we all should. Will you be singled out as racist for identifying yourself with that heritage. Probably by some but hopefully not by all. But it probably depends more on how you present your findings in your research project. I believe that far too much today is presented not as just being African-American but rather as being Victim.
: 4WD Thu Mar 15, 2018 - 07:41:01Should you be proud of your ancestral heritage?
MPO, we should ONLY be concerned with our CHRISTAIN brothers and sisters in the faith. Every race under heaven has very little to be proud of if the truth is known as it should be. Besides, MOST are so mixed now that it's hard to know where we came from other than we ALL came from Noah's sons! That being said, being black is nothing to be ashamed of, or being white is nothing to be proud of.
The world is racist against CHILDREN OF GOD!
RB, that is completely out of context and has nothing whatsoever to do with the question worthlessness1979 asked.
worthlessnes1979,
Instead of focusing on it as African-American history, look at it and present it as American history.
The Civil Rights movement and all of the events involved in it is part of American history, It affected everybody then and it still has lasting affects on everybody now. Regardless of how people of any race feel about the movement and its goals, it served for the good of all and the country overall is the better for it.
: worthlessness1979 Thu Mar 15, 2018 - 07:05:17
I am a proud African American man. I am proud of the African American history. I am proud of what African Americans accomplished during the Civil Rights Movement. And I am proud of what the students did at Central High School in Little Rock.
But I am not somebody who holds resentment towards anybody. I am not somebody who is expecting an apology from anyone, even though someone told me a long time ago we shouldn't have to continue to apologize for what happened in the Civil Rights Movement. I wasn't there, so I wasn't expecting an apology. But that doesn't mean that I'm not proud of its history. And if you weren't there and had nothing to do with it, you shouldn't have had to apologize at all.
I have to do a research project at school. I have to create a superhero, for example, like Wonder Woman, but it doesn't have to be Wonder Woman I'm just using that as an example. And she or he has to have multiple different super powers, and she or he either changes or stops an event in history from 1873 to 2018. And it just has to be one event, like the civil rights movement or World War II. Or it could be 9/11 or anything that happened in history.
I am doing my research project on the Civil Rights Movement. My fear is because I am African-American and race has actually become very controversial. And I am the only African-American in my history class, which I don't think matters but sometimes I am afraid that it does. I do not believe anyone is racist in my class, but I am just afraid of my project that it is going to cause some friction. I don't know.
I guess my question is, do you think it is racist that an African American loves his own history? Do you think it's racist that an African-American loves his own history above all the other historical events?
Not at all. There is no shame in being proud of your history and all that was accomplished through the worst and darkest moments of it!
: 4WD Thu Mar 15, 2018 - 07:59:23RB, that is completely out of context and has nothing whatsoever to do with the question worthlessness1979 asked.
I assume he's a believer, and if that's correct, then it is not out of context. Based on the scriptures there is ONLY TWO generation of people living on this earth~one a generation of righteous people who belongs to Jesus Christ, and the other a generation of evil wicked people who belongs to the devil.
The love of one's own people is normal & natural.
The Apostle Paul called race "kinsmen according to the flesh". As "kinsmen according to the flesh" they are your family & your extended family.
Paul loved his people. So much so he said "That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: "
Paul loved his " kinsmen according to the flesh" so much he preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ to them. In the book of Acts we find that many of Paul's " kinsmen according to the flesh" believed & we also find that many did not. In Paul's witness to his " kinsmen according to the flesh" Paul was horribly treated & maimed, Paul said " in perils by mine own countrymen" & "Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one". Paul loved them dearly evidenced by his stripes. In total that is 195 harsh lashes. Paul suffered greatly in the flesh by & for them. What Paul demonstrated was love. Love for his "kinsmen according to the flesh". Thus it is no sin to truly love one's own "kinsmen according to the flesh".
As a matter of fact the Bible through Paul also says "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."
The first use of 'own' in this verse means:
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So no it is not a sin to love one's own or to work towards & provide for their best interests.
: RB Thu Mar 15, 2018 - 08:44:04I assume he's a believer, and if that's correct, then it is not out of context. Based on the scriptures there is ONLY TWO generation of people living on this earth~one a generation of righteous people who belongs to Jesus Christ, and the other a generation of evil wicked people who belongs to the devil.
So you think he ought to address his research project to the history of what -- righteous people? ::crackup::
: 4WD Thu Mar 15, 2018 - 07:41:01
I believe that identifying oneself as African-American as opposed to American is a bit racist to begin with. I understand it, but still I believe it is somewhat racist.
I've always felt the same way about that term.
: TonkaTim Thu Mar 15, 2018 - 09:11:43
The love of one's own people is normal & natural.
The Apostle Paul called race "kinsmen according to the flesh". As "kinsmen according to the flesh" they are your family & your extended family.
Paul loved his people. So much so he said "That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: "
Paul loved his " kinsmen according to the flesh" so much he preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ to them. In the book of Acts we find that many of Paul's " kinsmen according to the flesh" believed & we also find that many did not. In Paul's witness to his " kinsmen according to the flesh" Paul was horribly treated & maimed, Paul said " in perils by mine own countrymen" & "Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one". Paul loved them dearly evidenced by his stripes. In total that is 195 harsh lashes. Paul suffered greatly in the flesh by & for them. What Paul demonstrated was love. Love for his "kinsmen according to the flesh". Thus it is no sin to truly love one's own "kinsmen according to the flesh".
As a matter of fact the Bible through Paul also says "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."
The first use of 'own' in this verse means:
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So no it is not a sin to love one's own or to work towards & provide for their best interests.
Good post! ::smile::
I like your attitude, worthlessness1979. No, I don't think it's racist that you love your ancestral heritage at all. I have been researching my own ancestry for well over 20 years - partly as a hobby because I love a good mystery, and partly because I love finding out about how my own ancestors fit into history. When I find specific locations in Ireland, Scotland, and Germany where my ancestors once lived, I end up reading more about those locations, the trials and accomplishments of my people from long ago - it just makes history come alive, IMO. Researching ancestral roots can bring people together instead of dividing them if done with the right heart and it sounds like your heart is in the right place.
AMEN
+1
: worthlessness1979 Thu Mar 15, 2018 - 07:05:17
I am a proud African American man. I am proud of the African American history. I am proud of what African Americans accomplished during the Civil Rights Movement. And I am proud of what the students did at Central High School in Little Rock.
But I am not somebody who holds resentment towards anybody. I am not somebody who is expecting an apology from anyone, even though someone told me a long time ago we shouldn't have to continue to apologize for what happened in the Civil Rights Movement. I wasn't there, so I wasn't expecting an apology. But that doesn't mean that I'm not proud of its history. And if you weren't there and had nothing to do with it, you shouldn't have had to apologize at all.
I have to do a research project at school. I have to create a superhero, for example, like Wonder Woman, but it doesn't have to be Wonder Woman I'm just using that as an example. And she or he has to have multiple different super powers, and she or he either changes or stops an event in history from 1873 to 2018. And it just has to be one event, like the civil rights movement or World War II. Or it could be 9/11 or anything that happened in history.
I am doing my research project on the Civil Rights Movement. My fear is because I am African-American and race has actually become very controversial. And I am the only African-American in my history class, which I don't think matters but sometimes I am afraid that it does. I do not believe anyone is racist in my class, but I am just afraid of my project that it is going to cause some friction. I don't know.
I guess my question is, do you think it is racist that an African American loves his own history? Do you think it's racist that an African-American loves his own history above all the other historical events?
Why would you be proud of something you didn't do?
I also admire what the students did at Central High School in Little Rock. It showed courage. But I am not black.
I do not admire much of the white people's behavior in the past, but I don't feel guilty over it.
What reason do I have to be proud of something anyone did anytime in the past if I was not involved?
Historic events are communal events, they belong to those who lived at that time.
I am not proud that the Allies defeated the Nazi's, I admire what they did.
Maybe it is ground for national pride, but that would include all genders and races of the nation.
The problem I sense with black pride is that some historical event is declared exclusively owned by a certain race or skin color.
And this sentiment seems to be very strong in the USA.
True, many black people suffered and many black people showed extreme courage. However, how many white people died in the civil war that set off these events?
Shouldn't black people then also not be proud of those white people who gave their lives for their freedom and rights?
Black pride or white pride (or white power) are racially divisive sentiments that do nothing to help the problem.
: AVZ Thu Mar 15, 2018 - 19:58:16
Why would you be proud of something you didn't do?
I also admire what the students did at Central High School in Little Rock. It showed courage. But I am not black.
I do not admire much of the white people's behavior in the past, but I don't feel guilty over it.
What reason do I have to be proud of something anyone did anytime in the past if I was not involved?
Historic events are communal events, they belong to those who lived at that time.
I am not proud that the Allies defeated the Nazi's, I admire what they did.
Maybe it is ground for national pride, but that would include all genders and races of the nation.
The problem I sense with black pride is that some historical event is declared exclusively owned by a certain race or skin color.
And this sentiment seems to be very strong in the USA.
True, many black people suffered and many black people showed extreme courage. However, how many white people died in the civil war that set off these events?
Shouldn't black people then also not be proud of those white people who gave their lives for their freedom and rights?
Black pride or white pride (or white power) are racially divisive sentiments that do nothing to help the problem.
Well, I'm not proud as though I did it myself. So, maybe proud isn't exactly the right word. But I am proud of those people and students. For example, when my twin brother does something amazing, even though I had nothing to do with it, I am very proud that he is my twin brother. And I am very proud of what he has accomplished. So yeah I am aware that I had nothing to do with it.
I do see a lot of problems with groups like the black lives matter. I have nothing to do with that.
But then again you can say you had nothing to do with the Civil Rights Movements. I couldn't argue with that. So yeah, I know. But I am still proud in what they did. And I am ashamed of the Black Lives Matter movement.
: mommydi Thu Mar 15, 2018 - 10:33:22
I like your attitude, worthlessness1979. No, I don't think it's racist that you love your ancestral heritage at all. I have been researching my own ancestry for well over 20 years - partly as a hobby because I love a good mystery, and partly because I love finding out about how my own ancestors fit into history. When I find specific locations in Ireland, Scotland, and Germany where my ancestors once lived, I end up reading more about those locations, the trials and accomplishments of my people from long ago - it just makes history come alive, IMO. Researching ancestral roots can bring people together instead of dividing them if done with the right heart and it sounds like your heart is in the right place.
Thank you very much.
: 4WD Thu Mar 15, 2018 - 07:41:01
I believe that identifying oneself as African-American as opposed to American is a bit racist to begin with. I understand it, but still I believe it is somewhat racist. Part of the reason that race has become so controversial is due to so many who work so hard at establishing identity politics.
Should you be proud of your ancestral heritage? Of course, and that just as we all should. Will you be singled out as racist for identifying yourself with that heritage. Probably by some but hopefully not by all. But it probably depends more on how you present your findings in your research project. I believe that far too much today is presented not as just being African-American but rather as being Victim.
Thank you very much for your bluntness. I should think about the term that I use.
: RB Thu Mar 15, 2018 - 07:49:25
MPO, we should ONLY be concerned with our CHRISTAIN brothers and sisters in the faith. Every race under heaven has very little to be proud of if the truth is known as it should be. Besides, MOST are so mixed now that it's hard to know where we came from other than we ALL came from Noah's sons! That being said, being black is nothing to be ashamed of, or being white is nothing to be proud of.
The world is racist against CHILDREN OF GOD!
Okay, thank you very much for your reply
: MeMyself Thu Mar 15, 2018 - 08:43:30
Not at all. There is no shame in being proud of your history and all that was accomplished through the worst and darkest moments of it!
Thank you very much
: TonkaTim Thu Mar 15, 2018 - 09:11:43
The love of one's own people is normal & natural.
The Apostle Paul called race "kinsmen according to the flesh". As "kinsmen according to the flesh" they are your family & your extended family.
Paul loved his people. So much so he said "That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: "
Paul loved his " kinsmen according to the flesh" so much he preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ to them. In the book of Acts we find that many of Paul's " kinsmen according to the flesh" believed & we also find that many did not. In Paul's witness to his " kinsmen according to the flesh" Paul was horribly treated & maimed, Paul said " in perils by mine own countrymen" & "Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one". Paul loved them dearly evidenced by his stripes. In total that is 195 harsh lashes. Paul suffered greatly in the flesh by & for them. What Paul demonstrated was love. Love for his "kinsmen according to the flesh". Thus it is no sin to truly love one's own "kinsmen according to the flesh".
As a matter of fact the Bible through Paul also says "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."
The first use of 'own' in this verse means:
(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29216315_2220962694584186_9179254551907743519_n.jpg?oh=25388c00675bdd5384dd187f125a0a5b&oe=5B45FE6B)
So no it is not a sin to love one's own or to work towards & provide for their best interests.
Thank you very much. That was very informative
: soterion Thu Mar 15, 2018 - 08:25:51
worthlessnes1979,
Instead of focusing on it as African-American history, look at it and present it as American history.
The Civil Rights movement and all of the events involved in it is part of American history, It affected everybody then and it still has lasting affects on everybody now. Regardless of how people of any race feel about the movement and its goals, it served for the good of all and the country overall is the better for it.
You're probably right about that.
: AVZ Thu Mar 15, 2018 - 19:58:16
Why would you be proud of something you didn't do?
I also admire what the students did at Central High School in Little Rock. It showed courage. But I am not black.
I do not admire much of the white people's behavior in the past, but I don't feel guilty over it.
What reason do I have to be proud of something anyone did anytime in the past if I was not involved?
Historic events are communal events, they belong to those who lived at that time.
I am not proud that the Allies defeated the Nazi's, I admire what they did.
Maybe it is ground for national pride, but that would include all genders and races of the nation.
The problem I sense with black pride is that some historical event is declared exclusively owned by a certain race or skin color.
And this sentiment seems to be very strong in the USA.
True, many black people suffered and many black people showed extreme courage. However, how many white people died in the civil war that set off these events?
Shouldn't black people then also not be proud of those white people who gave their lives for their freedom and rights?
Black pride or white pride (or white power) are racially divisive sentiments that do nothing to help the problem.
Also, I want to add I always thought that race Pride whether it is white or black meant that those people thought their race was Superior. I have never thought that my race was Superior. When I was little I used to wish I was white because I have dealt with racism and I always thought that the white race was more Superior.
However, you do make a good point. Many people died to free the slaves. I never thought about that. Should I be proud of that. When I say I am proud of something I am not saying that I was a part of it. I am proud of something because it has affected me. I will always be proud of what Martin Luther King has done even though I wasn't there.
: worthlessness1979 Fri Mar 16, 2018 - 00:38:08 I will always be proud of what Martin Luther King has done even though I wasn't there.
Why? Black or white, WHY? He was not a child of God, but a seditious person, while having many affairs all in the name of
religion. You are NOT judging him by the word of God but what you believe he did for blacks. I was living during his marches through the south and was working in a black community the day he was killed in April of 1968 it was not pleasant for me at that time. I figured this is where this was heading when you first posted.
You see, my daughter-in-law is black and I have heard the same arguments from her, as she tried (until I step in) to instill in her children the pride of being black by uplifting and praising such men as Maclom X, MLK, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, etc. (basically all trouble makers who have
used their own people for gain!) Again there are ONLY two generations of people living in this world, one righteous, the other wicked, one that believes (proven by living righteously) and those that believe not. The men mentioned above ONLY used God's name while denying him by their works!
Again, there is NO RACE under heaven that we should be proud of, or take pride in, since every one of them APART from the grace of God is vile, wicked sinners. The less grace is shown, the more wicked they are. The less mercy given the less witty inventions come from them.
If you are a professed child of God LEARN THE SCRIPTURES and consider your FATHER Abraham and follow his steps!
RB is correct. Racial pride has no part in God's kingdom. Praising those who combat prejudice, promote liberty, and seek justice for all is a good thing. It has nothing to do with race however, but character. To be a true Christian includes understanding the natural depravity of all races and ourselves as well, and seeking to solve the same in Christ Jesus. Racial pride and prejudices are tools to easily used by the depraved of this world in places of power, to manipulate and control the masses in depriving them of their freedoms and rights. Those who walk in the flesh instead of the spirit are easily caught up in the same.
: worthlessness1979 Fri Mar 16, 2018 - 00:38:08
Also, I want to add I always thought that race Pride whether it is white or black meant that those people thought their race was Superior. I have never thought that my race was Superior. When I was little I used to wish I was white because I have dealt with racism and I always thought that the white race was more Superior.
However, you do make a good point. Many people died to free the slaves. I never thought about that. Should I be proud of that. When I say I am proud of something I am not saying that I was a part of it. I am proud of something because it has affected me. I will always be proud of what Martin Luther King has done even though I wasn't there.
I think my issue is with your last statement in your OP
"I guess my question is, do you think it is racist that an African American loves his own history? Do you think it's racist that an African-American loves his own history above all the other historical events?"What you are doing is introduce racial division into a communal historical event.
You take a thing like the Civil Rights Movement and declare it exclusively African American.
It would be the same if white Americans would declare the moon landing an exclusively white historical event.
See, a white student can do a research project about space exploration and nobody would have any racist sentiments about it.
The reason for this is that white people do not claim it to be exclusively white.
You on the other hand wonder if you will awaken racial sentiments by doing a research project about the Civil Rights Movement, after you declared it your "
own history".
So aren't you really answering your own question?
First you make it racial, and then you wonder if perhaps it would be perceived as racial.
: Amo Fri Mar 16, 2018 - 06:11:00RB is correct. Racial pride has no part in God's kingdom.
The United States, nor any particular country, is God's kingdom. Neither is any particular race now singled out as God's preference. But neither should anyone be ashamed of his race. Paul was proud, though not sinfully so, of his being a Hebrew even though he did not consider that of any value to his being in Christ (Php 3:3-7).
: 4WD Fri Mar 16, 2018 - 06:24:28
The United States, nor any particular country, is God's kingdom. Neither is any particular race now singled out as God's preference. But neither should anyone be ashamed of his race. Paul was proud, though not sinfully so, of his being a Hebrew even though he did not consider that of any value to his being in Christ (Php 3:3-7).
Nobody said the United States is God's kingdom.
: Amo Fri Mar 16, 2018 - 07:02:35
Nobody said the United States is God's kingdom.
That was the implication in RB's post and your response.
Nothing in the OP had anything to do with God's kingdom. All such implication came from RB's and your response. The OP was only about the history of blacks in the United States. There certainly is nothing wrong with that. But RB's response, and apparently your response, is that is inappropriate; and that is of course not true.
: 4WD Fri Mar 16, 2018 - 06:24:28
The United States, nor any particular country, is God's kingdom. Neither is any particular race now singled out as God's preference. But neither should anyone be ashamed of his race. Paul was proud, though not sinfully so, of his being a Hebrew even though he did not consider that of any value to his being in Christ (Php 3:3-7).
Good balanced post!
Well, it looks like we ran off the OP, which is a shame.
Apparently, I'm the chiefest of sinners when it comes to ethnic pride because I've already bought corned beef, cabbage, potatoes, and the makings for Irish soda bread to serve tomorrow in celebration of my Irish heritage. So where are we supposed to draw the line on racial/ethnic pride? Do we reject everything pertaining to our ethnic group? The food, language, and music pertaining to our ethnicity should be rejected so we don't have an appearance of pride in that culture? I think not. I'm going to enjoy my corned beef tomorrow and listen to some of my Irish folk music CDs. Céad Míle Fáilte ::tippinghat::
: mommydi Fri Mar 16, 2018 - 08:48:23
Well, it looks like we ran off the OP, which is a shame.
I agree. ::mopingaround::
Apparently, I'm the chiefest of sinners when it comes to ethnic pride because I've already bought corned beef, cabbage, potatoes, and the makings for Irish soda bread to serve tomorrow in celebration of my Irish heritage. So where are we supposed to draw the line on racial/ethnic pride? Do we reject everything pertaining to our ethnic group? The food, language, and music pertaining to our ethnicity should be rejected so we don't have an appearance of pride in that culture? I think not. I'm going to enjoy my corned beef tomorrow and listen to some of my Irish folk music CDs. Céad Míle Fáilte ::tippinghat::
Good for you! It is amazing to me how legalistic we can become over the silliest of things...frustrating! ::frustrated::
At any rate, I have a *big* bday looming and I am crossing my fingers and toes that my dh will be gifting me with an ancestry DNA kit for us both so that we can discover (for sure..not just grapevine word of mouth) who we are and what we've come from. Fun stuff to learn about the culture/ cultures that play a part in our heritage and roots!
: MeMyself Fri Mar 16, 2018 - 08:57:10
I agree. ::mopingaround::
Good for you! It is amazing to me how legalistic we can become over the silliest of things...frustrating! ::frustrated::
At any rate, I have a *big* bday looming and I am crossing my fingers and toes that my dh will be gifting me with an ancestry DNA kit for us both so that we can discover (for sure..not just grapevine word of mouth) who we are and what we've come from. Fun stuff to learn about the culture/ cultures that play a part in our heritage and roots!
Happy Birthday, and I hope you enjoy your ancestry DNA info as much as I have. Discovering ethnic heritage has a fascinating way of bringing people together. Let us know what you find out, and any surprises you may discover.
: mommydi Fri Mar 16, 2018 - 09:07:30
Happy Birthday, and I hope you enjoy your ancestry DNA info as much as I have. Discovering ethnic heritage has a fascinating way of bringing people together. Let us know what you find out, and any surprises you may discover.
Thanks! I am only hoping he has heard my very subtle hints (aka. saying "look into my face...are you listening? I *want* an ancestry DNA kit for us for my birthday--or Christmas, whichever is closest at the time I'm making requests for gifts.) This is my second bday, and one Christmas past that I've been asking. rofl
: worthlessness1979 Thu Mar 15, 2018 - 07:05:17
Do you think it's racist that an African-American loves his own history above all the other historical events?
I would not necessarily call it racist, but I would say it is not well balanced.
I am not Italian, but the woman my dad married when my birth mom died is. (And she adopted me)
Her sister, my adopted aunt, is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Italian ( disgustingly so) that she will vote for the Italian, her doctors of choice are all Italian, She knows absolute history of every Italian in the 2 county area, and if you are not.... she really looks down her nose at you.
I am white. She is white... and basically in this case you have white racism against whites if you are not Italian.
Look at the Irish. Heaven help us all because there is no more clanish then they are.... They supercede the Greeks.
My mom had a woman acquaintance who was very Irish, as well as her sister and bro-in-law.
We all would get together 2 to 3 times a year for lunch.
They accepted mom because of my red hair and blue eyes and the O'Neals in 'my' background but really kept their distance even with mom overly extending the
hand of friendship to her generation.
So, racism abounds even within any race.
I wish it were not so.
: Ginger Rella Fri Mar 16, 2018 - 09:16:26
I would not necessarily call it racist, but I would say it is not well balanced.
I am not Italian, but the woman my dad married when my birth mom died is. (And she adopted me)
Her sister, my adopted aunt, is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Italian ( disgustingly so) that she will vote for the Italian, her doctors of choice are all Italian, She knows absolute history of every Italian in the 2 county area, and if you are not.... she really looks down her nose at you.
I am white. She is white... and basically in this case you have white racism against whites if you are not Italian.
Look at the Irish. Heaven help us all because there is no more clanish then they are.... They supercede the Greeks.
My mom had a woman acquaintance who was very Irish, as well as her sister and bro-in-law.
We all would get together 2 to 3 times a year for lunch.
They accepted mom because of my red hair and blue eyes and the O'Neals in 'my' background but really kept their distance even with mom overly extending the
hand of friendship to her generation.
So, racism abounds even within any race.
I wish it were not so.
I think there's a big difference in appreciating/enjoying your ethnic heritage and the racism you described here. I enjoy discovering my ethnic heritage, dabbling in their culture with recipes, music, art, history, etc, but in no way do I think my Irish, Scottish, German, or Scandinavian bloodline makes me better than anyone else, and no way would I only associate with people of my own heritage. Big difference there.
If you are not Dutch, you are not much.
::whistle::
: Texas Conservative Fri Mar 16, 2018 - 09:40:51
If you are not Dutch, you are not much.
::whistle::
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: mommydi Fri Mar 16, 2018 - 09:37:07
I think there's a big difference in appreciating/enjoying your ethnic heritage and the racism you described here. I enjoy discovering my ethnic heritage, dabbling in their culture with recipes, music, art, history, etc, but in no way do I think my Irish, Scottish, German, or Scandinavian bloodline makes me better than anyone else, and no way would I only associate with people of my own heritage. Big difference there.
I absolutely agree with you...
I , just unfortunately, know a few people who do feel superior within their own race because of their ethnic heritage.
It is a shame.
I think the OP deep down feels that way also based on how he phrased what he said.
One of the neater things for me is being many different ethnicities because I can, and I do celebrate them all ::nodding::, provided I do not have to listen to bagpipes for the Scot in me.......... I HATE bagpipes.
(Also not to fond of corned beef and cabbage)
So for St Pat's day make mine a Reuben and coleslaw
I also celebrate Bastille day because, according to my dad.... ( oh no...... I am sounding like Pocahontas) but my German side started with 3 French brothers
crossed the Black Forest into Germany.
: Texas Conservative Fri Mar 16, 2018 - 09:40:51
If you are not Dutch, you are not much.
::whistle::
Absolutely correct
: Ginger Rella Fri Mar 16, 2018 - 09:52:38
I absolutely agree with you...
I , just unfortunately, know a few people who do feel superior within their own race because of their ethnic heritage.
It is a shame.
I think the OP deep down feels that way also based on how he phrased what he said.
One of the neater things for me is being many different ethnicities because I can, and I do celebrate them all ::nodding::, provided I do not have to listen to bagpipes for the Scot in me.......... I HATE bagpipes.
(Also not to fond of corned beef and cabbage)
So for St Pat's day make mine a Reuben and coleslaw
I also celebrate Bastille day because, according to my dad.... ( oh no...... I am sounding like Pocahontas) but my German side started with 3 French brothers
crossed the Black Forest into Germany.
Girl, I celebrate it all - from wearing my kilt to the Scottish games to decorating my living room with German smokers/nutcrackers/ornaments at Christmastime. I think AVZ brought up an excellent point when he posted -
See, a white student can do a research project about space exploration and nobody would have any racist sentiments about it.
The reason for this is that white people do not claim it to be exclusively white.
That's very true. I don't think of myself as "exclusively white." I'm not one specific color/race. I'm a hodgepodge of various ethnic groups and
I like it that way. This reminds me of when I was in high school and we integrated. We went from having a band queen, to having a band queen
plus a black band queen. I see why they did this, but it ended up causing more division than if they would have left it alone as just "band queen."
: 4WD Fri Mar 16, 2018 - 07:24:06
That was the implication in RB's post and your response.
Nothing in the OP had anything to do with God's kingdom. All such implication came from RB's and your response. The OP was only about the history of blacks in the United States. There certainly is nothing wrong with that. But RB's response, and apparently your response, is that is inappropriate; and that is of course not true.
That is a big fat negative. No literal nation of earth represents God's kingdom. Governments can be more or less built upon Christian or biblical principles, that is all. Only those born again can be of God's kingdom, which disqualifies all races, religions, or governments from ever representing the same.
Pride cometh before a fall, no matter what of this earth that pride is in.
Pride
noun
1.
a high or inordinate opinion of one's own dignity, importance, merit, or superiority, whether as cherished in the mind or as displayed in bearing, conduct, etc.
Those who center to much attention regarding the problems of humanity upon the guilt or innocents of a particular race or races, do not understand and therefore cannot rightly judge and address the true nature of the common problem which plagues all of humanity. Which problem and solution are met and addressed perfectly in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and His gospel unto salvation.
: Texas Conservative Fri Mar 16, 2018 - 09:40:51
If you are not Dutch, you are not much.
::whistle::
Good one Tex, but if your not Italian, your no Stallion.
: Amo Sat Mar 17, 2018 - 13:10:34Those who center to much attention regarding the problems of humanity upon the guilt or innocents of a particular race or races, do not understand and therefore cannot rightly judge and address the true nature of the common problem which plagues all of humanity. Which problem and solution are met and addressed perfectly in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and His gospel unto salvation.
All of which has absolutely nothing to do with the question presented in the OP. To listen to some here, if anyone were to do a research paper on the history of banking systems in the United States he would be remiss if he didn't mention Christ's overturning the tables of the money changers in the temple. Ridiculous.
: 4WD Sat Mar 17, 2018 - 15:17:27
All of which has absolutely nothing to do with the question presented in the OP. To listen to some here, if anyone were to do a research paper on the history of banking systems in the United States he would be remiss if he didn't mention Christ's overturning the tables of the money changers in the temple. Ridiculous.
I'm sure we all know that pretty much any discussion thread will eventually go in different directions and tangents because of the many different personalities here.
A gentleman comes here and asks a perfectly good and honest question, and the answers in short order go everywhere and escape the purpose of the questioner.
I personally hope worthlessness1979 will come back and share the result of his class project. ::smile::
Well, if your going to ask a bunch of people for their opinions, ..........................
: 4WD Sat Mar 17, 2018 - 15:17:27
All of which has absolutely nothing to do with the question presented in the OP. To listen to some here, if anyone were to do a research paper on the history of banking systems in the United States he would be remiss if he didn't mention Christ's overturning the tables of the money changers in the temple. Ridiculous.
+1 ::applause::
: soterion Sat Mar 17, 2018 - 16:26:06
I'm sure we all know that pretty much any discussion thread will eventually go in different directions and tangents because of the many different personalities here.
A gentleman comes here and asks a perfectly good and honest question, and the answers in short order go everywhere and escape the purpose of the questioner.
I personally hope worthlessness1979 will come back and share the result of his class project. ::smile::
Me too...
: soterion Sat Mar 17, 2018 - 16:26:06I'm sure we all know that pretty much any discussion thread will eventually go in different directions and tangents because of the many different personalities here.
A gentleman comes here and asks a perfectly good and honest question, and the answers in short order go everywhere and escape the purpose of the questioner.
I personally hope worthlessness1979 will come back and share the result of his class project. ::smile::
AMEN to that.
::thumbup:: ::thumbup::
Some one brings up race and racism, and asks for opinions about whether something they are doing is racist or not. People address race, whether or not people should have pride in their race, racism, the common problem of humanity which underlines, causes, and supersedes the problem of racism, and what place if any racism has in Christian thought and practice. Compared to a whole lot of other threads on these boards, I'd say this one stayed pretty well on topic.
I guess my question is, do you think it is racist that an African American loves his own history?
No different than a person of any other ethnic group being proud of his history. That being said, your pride in the group with whom you identify probably will cause more anxiety among some than say, a Norwegian-American expressing pride in his heritage. It's not a matter of good or evil; it's just the way things worked out for historical reasons. Shouldn't be that way, and although we've certainly come a long way since my childhood, we have a long way to go. I think a sensitive and well-written exposition of your own heritage would be another step forward.
Do you think it's racist that an African-American loves his own history above all the other historical events?
Don't see how. Even though I know that my ancestry is nothing I personally achieved, I'm proud of my Irish/Welsh heritage.
Barbarian, have you ever visited Ireland? I'd sure like to sometime. Scotland while I'm at it.
Barbarian, have you ever visited Ireland? I'd sure like to sometime. Scotland while I'm at it.
Never been to Europe at all. Always had other things to do with my money. Five kids to raise and educate, you know.
Might do that one of these days. Scotland seems like a very photogenic place from what I've seen in pictures.
Greetings worthlessness ~ by now you have completed your project ~ hope it went well ```
My parent came from a mountain country in the Caucasian Mountains ~ where Christians were held in slavery by Muslims invaders ( they weren't called slaves that's a western word )~ so to us ~ to me America is seen as having ended slavery ~ setting a pattern for all the Christian world ~ ( elsewhere slavery still is ~ I'm sure you know that ) In the west before and for a time after Christianity slavery was and in all the world ~ the word Slavery derives from the Slavic people enslaved by western Rome ```
Muslims slavery was the cruelest ~ those purchased in Africa by Muslim slavers were brutally trimmed of all male parts ~ I've read as few as 30% lived ~ Europe and America demanded that not be done to those they accepted ```
America after freedom from England ~ began demanding and end to slavery and indentured servants ~ setting and example for the rest of the Christian World ```
Slavery still exists in Islam ~ there is the buying and selling of human and the treating of people as slaves ~ ( slave is a western word ) dogs is more fitting ```
It is commendable what you are doing ~ I hope you get the credit ~ and I appreciate your frame of reference ```
Ohan
: worthlessness1979 Thu Mar 15, 2018 - 07:05:17
I am a proud African American man. I am proud of the African American history. I am proud of what African Americans accomplished during the Civil Rights Movement. And I am proud of what the students did at Central High School in Little Rock.
But I am not somebody who holds resentment towards anybody. I am not somebody who is expecting an apology from anyone, even though someone told me a long time ago we shouldn't have to continue to apologize for what happened in the Civil Rights Movement. I wasn't there, so I wasn't expecting an apology. But that doesn't mean that I'm not proud of its history. And if you weren't there and had nothing to do with it, you shouldn't have had to apologize at all.
I have to do a research project at school. I have to create a superhero, for example, like Wonder Woman, but it doesn't have to be Wonder Woman I'm just using that as an example. And she or he has to have multiple different super powers, and she or he either changes or stops an event in history from 1873 to 2018. And it just has to be one event, like the civil rights movement or World War II. Or it could be 9/11 or anything that happened in history.
I am doing my research project on the Civil Rights Movement. My fear is because I am African-American and race has actually become very controversial. And I am the only African-American in my history class, which I don't think matters but sometimes I am afraid that it does. I do not believe anyone is racist in my class, but I am just afraid of my project that it is going to cause some friction. I don't know.
I guess my question is, do you think it is racist that an African American loves his own history? Do you think it's racist that an African-American loves his own history above all the other historical events?
It is indeed racist for any man to prefer the accomplishments of his race above others. The problem in America today is that blacks assume they aren't racist when in fact they are.
"There is no such thing as a black racist." - Jesse Jackson
It is well known among people who've transacted business with Rev. Jackson that he is prejudiced against whites. He is known to have cheated white businessmen out of their trade, yet establishes the black community as absolutely above reproach. Nothing could be further from the truth.
The quoted post above mentions the Civil Rights movement. I was there. I lived those days. I remember Dr. King even though most today don't. Martin has been elevated to the level of saint by those who have no idea what he was talking about, what he represented or even what his private thoughts were. A statue has been erected to his memory even though those who claim to respect it have never read a line of his written word.
Have you?
I have and I am continually reminded of his light when I do. America lost a true genius when Dr. King was assassinated by agencies of our government. Fools rule our nation and no man with true vision will ever be allowed to influence our population again. Believe it.
I attended the same seminary as Dr. King and I studied under the same professors that taught him. I read the same books and tried to understand the same ideas, but it took forty years to process the information. Dr. King got it all right immediately. Even more, he was able to apply those ideas to affect social change for the good of the country. THIS is the mark of true genius. Unfortunately, King himself admitted that his people had no idea what he was talking about. He wrote that they followed him because they trusted him. Can this be said of any leader, black or white, today?
Not so much I'm thinking.
Pride goes before a fall, the Good Book says. Pride in one's race, which is an accident of birth, is stupidity raised to the level of demonic allegiance.
It is enough to stand in awe of the giants that went before us. They are to be appreciated, not worshipped. Only Christ Jesus is worthy of that kind of pride and allegiance.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
: Texas Conservative Fri Mar 16, 2018 - 09:40:51
If you are not Dutch, you are not much.
::whistle::
You can get in dutch for saying that ......
: Choir Loft Wed Dec 23, 2020 - 08:08:02
It is indeed racist for any man to prefer the accomplishments of his race above others. The problem in America today is that blacks assume they aren't racist when in fact they are.
"There is no such thing as a black racist." - Jesse Jackson
That reflects an alternate definition of "racist." The definition Mr Jackson is using is the suppression of a minority group by a majority group. According to that definition, a black person
in the US cannot be racist; nor can a Native American, Hispanic or Asian. Only whites can because we are the majority.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/dictionary-definition-racism-has-change/613324/
: Amo Fri Mar 16, 2018 - 06:11:00RB is correct. Racial pride has no part in God's kingdom. Praising those who combat prejudice, promote liberty, and seek justice for all is a good thing. It has nothing to do with race however, but character. To be a true Christian includes understanding the natural depravity of all races and ourselves as well, and seeking to solve the same in Christ Jesus. Racial pride and prejudices are tools to easily used by the depraved of this world in places of power, to manipulate and control the masses in depriving them of their freedoms and rights. Those who walk in the flesh instead of the spirit are easily caught up in the same.
He may have been 'correct', but he needed to be more gentle in the reply, not blast away with all the faults of black leaders in history...
: Hobie Sat Feb 07, 2026 - 16:30:43He may have been 'correct', but he needed to be more gentle in the reply, not blast away with all the faults of black leaders in history...
Yea, we are all pretty sure we know how other people should be, which is usually akin to how we are or would be regarding the particulars of that which we are addressing. If RB's point was to insult people then his bad, but if it was to point out that we are all faulty before God regardless of race so why dwell upon it, that makes sense. The bible itself does not seek to hide the many faults of all of its characters, save our Lord Jesus Christ of course, who alone had or has none. The rest of us really do need to remember our proper place and true condition before God, as forgetting such is most certainly a danger to one's soul.
Racism a spiritual problem . All racisms is directed at Christ who works in us God makes men different outwardly so that in their inability to have peace. . men look upward.
First confess the sin against Christ then ask for forgiveness against felow human . wrong outward judgment It is exercised every day black and white--- male and female Satan the identity thief .
What will a person do--- trust the old sinful false judging nature or confess our sin to Christ empowered by the new nature.
A liltle help with the editing ChatAI
Racism is a sin problem before it is a social problem.
1️⃣ One Human Family
The Bible teaches that all people share one origin.
"He hath made of one blood all nations of men..."
— Acts of the Apostles 17:26
That means:
Different languages
Different cultures
Different skin tones
But one humanity.
Outward difference is real.
Spiritual value is equal.
2️⃣ Judging by Appearance
Jesus said:
"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."
— John 7:24
And James warns directly against favoritism:
Showing partiality based on outward appearance is sin.
— Epistle of James 2:1–9
Partiality — whether based on race, wealth, gender, or status — contradicts the gospel.
3️⃣ The New Nature vs. the Old Nature
You asked:
What will a person trust — the old sinful judging nature or confess sin to Christ?
Scripture describes this clearly:
Old nature:
Divides
Exalts self
Judges by flesh
New nature in Christ:
Sees fellow image-bearers
Confesses sin
Walks in humility
Epistle to the Ephesians 4:22–24
Put off the old man...
Put on the new man...
4️⃣ Racism as Misplaced Identity
When identity is rooted in:
Skin color
Tribe
Nation
Political ideology
It becomes an idol.
The gospel re-roots identity in Christ.
Epistle to the Galatians 3:28
"There is neither Jew nor Greek... for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."
This does NOT erase biological differences.
It removes superiority and spiritual hierarchy.
5️⃣ "God Makes Men Different So They Look Upward"
Difference can:
Create tension
Expose pride
Reveal inability to achieve unity by flesh alone
But Scripture does not say God created division so people would fail.
It says sin fractures what God made good.
The answer is not erasing differences.
The answer is redemption of the heart.
6️⃣ The Real Battlefield
You said:
"Satan the identity thief."
The Bible does describe deception as spiritual warfare.
But we must be careful not to reduce every human sin to direct demonic control.
Scripture says the heart itself is fallen.
The solution is:
Confess sin before God
Seek forgiveness
Repent toward those harmed
Walk in the Spirit
The Practical Question
If someone feels racial bias rising in their heart, what do they do?
Acknowledge it without excuse
Confess it honestly
Replace it with truth
Act in love
That is spiritual warfare at the personal level.
The Cross Levels Pride
At the foot of the cross:
No race stands higher
No culture stands superior
No one earns grace
All come as sinners.
All are offered mercy.