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The Protestant churches today and even our own church is backing away from identifying the AntiChrist power, and yet the Reformers and even those before them saw clearly who the AntiChrist was. What is happening to the churches today, are they becoming blind and forgetful of the truth they once saw clearly. Here is a list I came across of Pre-Reformation and Reformers Interpretations:

Date Name Reference Interpretation

c. 1310 Dante Alighieri
Rev. 17 Harlot=Roman Church

c. 1331 Michael of Cesena
Rev. 17 Harlot/Antichrist=Roman Church, Pope

c. 1345 Johannes de Rupescissa
Antichrist, Rev. 17 Babylon, Rev. 17 Harlot=Pope/Roman church


c. 1350 Francesco Petrarch
Rev. 17 Harlot=Papal Court

c. 1367 John Milicz
Antichrist, Abomination of Desolation, Man of Sin=Papacy


c. 1379 John Wycliffe
Antichrist, Abomination of Desolation, Little Horn. Man of Sin, Rev. 17 Harlot=Pope/Papacy


c. 1388 Matthias of Janow
Antichrist, Abomination of Desolation, Man of Sin. Rev. 17 Harlot, Rev. 17 Babylon=Hierarchy/Papacy


c. 1390 John Purvey
Antichrist, Rev. 13 666, Rev. 17 Harlot, Rev. 17 Babylon=Pope/Papacy


c. 1393 Walter Brute
Antichrist, Abomination of Desolation, Little Horn, Man of Sin=Papacy/Bishop of Rome/Papacy

c. 1412 John Huss
Antichrist, Abomination of Desolation, Little Horn, Man of Sin, Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon=Pope/Papacy


c. 1497 Girolamo Savonarola
Antichrist, Man of Sin, Rev. 17 Harlot, Rev. 17 Babylon=Pope/Papacy

Reformation Era Interpretations:

1522 Martin Luther
Antichrist, Abomination of Desolation, Little Horn, Man of Sin, Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon=Papacy

1543 Philipp Melanchthon
Antichrist, Man of Sin, Rev. 17 Babylon=Papacy

1545 Andreas Osiander
Antichrist, Abomination of Desolation, Little Horn, Man of Sin, Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon=Papacy

1554 Nicolaus von Amsdorf
Antichrist, Abomination of Desolation, Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon=Papacy

1558 Johann Funck
Antichrist, Little Horn, Man of Sin, Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon=Papacy

1560 Virgil Solis
Antichrist, Little Horn, Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon=Papacy

1570 Georg Nigrinus
Antichrist= Pope

1572 David Chytraeus
Antichrist, Little Horn, Man of Sin= Papacy

1530 Johann Oecolampadius
Antichrist, Little Horn=Papacy

1557 Heinrich Bullinger
Antichrist, Little Horn, Man of Sin, Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon=Papacy

1550 William Tyndale
Antichrist, Little Horn, Man of Sin, Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon=Papacy

1545 George Joys
Antichrist, Little Horn=Papacy

1554 Nicholas Ridley
Antichrist, Abomination of Desolation, Rev. 17 Harlot. Rev. 17 Babylon
Rev. 17 Beast=Papacy

1553 Hugh Latimer
Antichrist=Papacy

1582 Thomas Cranmer
Antichrist, Little Horn, Man of Sin, Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon=Papacy

1550 John Bale
Antichrist, Abomination of Desolation, Little Horn, Man of Sin, Rev. 17 Harlot, Rev. 17 Babylon
Rev. 17 Beast=Papacy

1562 John Jewel
Antichrist, Abomination of Desolation, Little Horn, Man of Sin, Rev. 17 Harlot, Rev. 17 Babylon
Rev. 17 Beast=Papacy

1587 John Foxe
Antichrist, Man of Sin=Bishop of Rome

1563 Anglican Formulas
Antichrist=Papacy

1547 John Knox
Antichrist, Little Horn=Church of Rome/Papacy

1593 John Napier
Antichrist, Man of Sin, Rev. 13 1st Beast, Rev. 17 Harlot, Rev. 17 Babylon
Rev. 17 Beast =Pope/Papacy/Latin Empire

1614 Thomas Brightman
Antichrist, Little Horn, Man of Sin, Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon=Pope/Papacy

1618 David Pareus
Antichrist, Man of Sin, Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Beast=Pope/Papacy

Sir Isaac Newton
Antichrist, Little Horn, Man of Sin, Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon=Papacy

John Wesley
Man of Sin. Rev. 17 Harlot. Rev. 17 Babylon=Papacy also Antichrist

And they ask the question, "In view of the foregoing Reformation interpretations identifying Papacy as the Antichrist and Man of Sin, why do so many Evangelical Protestants today believe the Man of Sin and Antichrist are future individuals?"

Are we failing in our duty to warm the churches of the Reformation, as we see them drift back to Papal Power, the AntiChrist.

Yes.

The reformers had every reason to believe that the Roman church was the anti Christ.  It was vindictive, ruthless intolerant and self serving.  Pope after Pope used the power of the church to keep the members in submission.  I would have been convinced that that system was the beast power.  Now I am more positive that it is not Rome that will cause havoc in the future, it is the Muslim religion that even boasts that their goal is to do away with all Christianity.


My question is why are the churches that were once so convinced that Rome would take away their freedom start looking at the power Muslims are gaining throughout Europe, the United States, Canada and even South America.  It seems like only Australia is taking a stand against those controlling aggressors.  I am in my last years here on this Earth, but I feel for those who will finally have to take a stand for the truth.  I pray the Lord come first.

Quote from: beam on Sat Aug 24, 2019 - 16:36:29
The reformers had every reason to believe that the Roman church was the anti Christ.  It was vindictive, ruthless intolerant and self serving.  Pope after Pope used the power of the church to keep the members in submission.  I would have been convinced that that system was the beast power.  Now I am more positive that it is not Rome that will cause havoc in the future, it is the Muslim religion that even boasts that their goal is to do away with all Christianity.


My question is why are the churches that were once so convinced that Rome would take away their freedom start looking at the power Muslims are gaining throughout Europe, the United States, Canada and even South America.  It seems like only Australia is taking a stand against those controlling aggressors.  I am in my last years here on this Earth, but I feel for those who will finally have to take a stand for the truth.  I pray the Lord come first.

Why do you suppose Rome encourages and facilitates mass migration of Muslims? Do you really think the Roman church is no longer "vindictive, ruthless intolerant and self serving"? Do you not understand that the Roman church has supported and continues to support abusive governments and leaders throughout her history as long as said leaders give preference and protection to her institution? Did you not see the Roman church use the republican, capitalist, secular, and democratic west and Europe to topple her communist enemies who would not support her institution? Do you not see her now siding with communism and socialism against those she formerly used in seeking to topple their power because the people of said nations do not want their governments supporting her institution through legislation? If not, you simply are not paying attention. Rome has not changed, Christians such as yourself have changed in relation to her.

Quote7. Another important consideration is the common good. To love someone is to desire that person's good and to take effective steps to secure it. Besides the good of the individual, there is a good that is linked to living in society: the common good. It is the good of "all of us", made up of individuals, families and intermediate groups who together constitute society[4]. It is a good that is sought not for its own sake, but for the people who belong to the social community and who can only really and effectively pursue their good within it. To desire the common good and strive towards it is a requirement of justice and charity. To take a stand for the common good is on the one hand to be solicitous for, and on the other hand to avail oneself of, that complex of institutions that give structure to the life of society, juridically, civilly, politically and culturally, making it the pólis, or "city". The more we strive to secure a common good corresponding to the real needs of our neighbours, the more effectively we love them. Every Christian is called to practise this charity, in a manner corresponding to his vocation and according to the degree of influence he wields in the pólis. This is the institutional path — we might also call it the political path — of charity, no less excellent and effective than the kind of charity which encounters the neighbour directly, outside the institutional mediation of the pólis. When animated by charity, commitment to the common good has greater worth than a merely secular and political stand would have. Like all commitment to justice, it has a place within the testimony of divine charity that paves the way for eternity through temporal action. Man's earthly activity, when inspired and sustained by charity, contributes to the building of the universal city of God, which is the goal of the history of the human family. In an increasingly globalized society, the common good and the effort to obtain it cannot fail to assume the dimensions of the whole human family, that is to say, the community of peoples and nations[5], in such a way as to shape the earthly city in unity and peace, rendering it to some degree an anticipation and a prefiguration of the undivided city of God.

The political path of the Roman church is the unification of all fallen humanity, including all who refuse Jesus Christ, unto its vision of the universal city of God. This is the vision of BABYLON THE GREAT, found nowhere in scripture as God's will, but only existing in relation to the woman who makes all kings and nations drunk with the wine of her fornication.

Quote13. In addition to its important link with the entirety of the Church's social doctrine, Populorum Progressio is closely connected to the overall magisterium of Paul VI, especially his social magisterium. His was certainly a social teaching of great importance: he underlined the indispensable importance of the Gospel for building a society according to freedom and justice, in the ideal and historical perspective of a civilization animated by love. Paul VI clearly understood that the social question had become worldwide [25] and he grasped the interconnection between the impetus towards the unification of humanity and the Christian ideal of a single family of peoples in solidarity and fraternity. In the notion of development, understood in human and Christian terms, he identified the heart of the Christian social message, and he proposed Christian charity as the principal force at the service of development.

The unification of fallen humanity remaining outside of Christ with those also supposedly in Christ, is the goal of BABYLON THE GREAT, not the Church of Jesus Christ.

Quote56. The Christian religion and other religions can offer their contribution to development only if God has a place in the public realm, specifically in regard to its cultural, social, economic, and particularly its political dimensions. The Church's social doctrine came into being in order to claim "citizenship status" for the Christian religion[135]. Denying the right to profess one's religion in public and the right to bring the truths of faith to bear upon public life has negative consequences for true development. The exclusion of religion from the public square — and, at the other extreme, religious fundamentalism — hinders an encounter between persons and their collaboration for the progress of humanity. Public life is sapped of its motivation and politics takes on a domineering and aggressive character. Human rights risk being ignored either because they are robbed of their transcendent foundation or because personal freedom is not acknowledged. Secularism and fundamentalism exclude the possibility of fruitful dialogue and effective cooperation between reason and religious faith. Reason always stands in need of being purified by faith: this also holds true for political reason, which must not consider itself omnipotent. For its part, religion always needs to be purified by reason in order to show its authentically human face. Any breach in this dialogue comes only at an enormous price to human development.

The Church of Jesus Christ absolutely does not seek citizenship in and of this world. Nor is it ever "purified by reason in order to show its authentically human face". It calls all out of the fallen kingdoms of this world, to become citizens of the kingdom God, and it exists ti exalt God through Christ Jesus His son. The above stated goals are those of BABYLON THE GREAT, not Christ's church.

Quote67. In the face of the unrelenting growth of global interdependence, there is a strongly felt need, even in the midst of a global recession, for a reform of the United Nations Organization, and likewise of economic institutions and international finance, so that the concept of the family of nations can acquire real teeth. One also senses the urgent need to find innovative ways of implementing the principle of the responsibility to protect[146] and of giving poorer nations an effective voice in shared decision-making. This seems necessary in order to arrive at a political, juridical and economic order which can increase and give direction to international cooperation for the development of all peoples in solidarity. To manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis; to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis and the greater imbalances that would result; to bring about integral and timely disarmament, food security and peace; to guarantee the protection of the environment and to regulate migration: for all this, there is urgent need of a true world political authority, as my predecessor Blessed John XXIII indicated some years ago. Such an authority would need to be regulated by law, to observe consistently the principles of subsidiarity and solidarity, to seek to establish the common good[147], and to make a commitment to securing authentic integral human development inspired by the values of charity in truth. Furthermore, such an authority would need to be universally recognized and to be vested with the effective power to ensure security for all, regard for justice, and respect for rights[148]. Obviously it would have to have the authority to ensure compliance with its decisions from all parties, and also with the coordinated measures adopted in various international forums. Without this, despite the great progress accomplished in various sectors, international law would risk being conditioned by the balance of power among the strongest nations. The integral development of peoples and international cooperation require the establishment of a greater degree of international ordering, marked by subsidiarity, for the management of globalization[149]. They also require the construction of a social order that at last conforms to the moral order, to the interconnection between moral and social spheres, and to the link between politics and the economic and civil spheres, as envisaged by the Charter of the United Nations.

A person's development is compromised, if he claims to be solely responsible for producing what he becomes. By analogy, the development of peoples goes awry if humanity thinks it can re-create itself through the "wonders" of technology, just as economic development is exposed as a destructive sham if it relies on the "wonders" of finance in order to sustain unnatural and consumerist growth. In the face of such Promethean presumption, we must fortify our love for a freedom that is not merely arbitrary, but is rendered truly human by acknowledgment of the good that underlies it. To this end, man needs to look inside himself in order to recognize the fundamental norms of the natural moral law which God has written on our hearts.

There you have it. The Roman church (BABYLON THE GREAT) supports whatever governments support her global vision as the moral leader of truly human global government enforcing her moral guidance. The Dark Ages all over again on a global scale. All true Christians today have as much right and good reason to consider the Roman church BABYLON THE GREAT, and the system of anti-christ as the Reformers themselves did. No, but even more reason. Nevertheless, most professed "Christians" are either ignorant, or willingly ignorant of the same. So be it. Rise BABYLON, that the end might be all the sooner, and Jesus Christ KING of kings may end all rule but His own.

Quote from: Amo on Sun Aug 25, 2019 - 11:58:14Why do you suppose Rome encourages and facilitates mass migration of Muslims? Do you really think the Roman church is no longer "vindictive, ruthless intolerant and self serving"? Do you not understand that the Roman church has supported and continues to support abusive governments and leaders throughout her history as long as said leaders give preference and protection to her institution? Did you not see the Roman church use the republican, capitalist, secular, and democratic west and Europe to topple her communist enemies who would not support her institution? Do you not see her now siding with communism and socialism against those she formerly used in seeking to topple their power because the people of said nations do not want their governments supporting her institution through legislation? If not, you simply are not paying attention. Rome has not changed, Christians such as yourself have changed in relation to her.

Excerpts from
ENCYCLICAL LETTER
CARITAS IN VERITATE
OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF
BENEDICT XVI
TO THE BISHOPS
PRIESTS AND DEACONS
MEN AND WOMEN RELIGIOUS
THE LAY FAITHFUL
AND ALL PEOPLE OF GOOD WILL
ON INTEGRAL HUMAN DEVELOPMENT
IN CHARITY AND TRUTH

The political path of the Roman church is the unification of all fallen humanity, including all who refuse Jesus Christ, unto its vision of the universal city of God. This is the vision of BABYLON THE GREAT, found nowhere in scripture as God's will, but only existing in relation to the woman who makes all kings and nations drunk with the wine of her fornication.

The unification of fallen humanity remaining outside of Christ with those also supposedly in Christ, is the goal of BABYLON THE GREAT, not the Church of Jesus Christ.

The Church of Jesus Christ absolutely does not seek citizenship in and of this world. Nor is it ever "purified by reason in order to show its authentically human face". It calls all out of the fallen kingdoms of this world, to become citizens of the kingdom God, and it exists ti exalt God through Christ Jesus His son. The above stated goals are those of BABYLON THE GREAT, not Christ's church.

There you have it. The Roman church (BABYLON THE GREAT) supports whatever governments support her global vision as the moral leader of truly human global government enforcing her moral guidance. The Dark Ages all over again on a global scale. All true Christians today have as much right and good reason to consider the Roman church BABYLON THE GREAT, and the system of anti-christ as the Reformers themselves did. No, but even more reason. Nevertheless, most professed "Christians" are either ignorant, or willingly ignorant of the same. So be it. Rise BABYLON, that the end might be all the sooner, and Jesus Christ KING of kings may end all rule but His own.

Now it makes sense why they support the people surging over the border helping to fund those agencies behind it, will have to find the article on this..

Yes, the destabilization of existing nations, governments, and peoples, who resist global government and control is of course important to globalists. Uncontrolled mass migration of course destabilizes cultures, economies, and peoples in various ways. Disturbing and hopefully eventually wiping out existing cultural identities built especially upon individual rights, freedom, and liberties which interfere with globalist "common good" mandates. Mandates from the ever growing number of elitist unelected officials of various international organizations bypassing the will of peoples and nations through their elected officials. Getting those officials to bow to them, rather than listen to their own people which they are supposed to represent. Of course these unelected elitists very successfully use fear mongering tactics to convince a greater and greater number of the ignorant masses to bow to them as well.

Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Looks like many are finally waking up to it...