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I don't know about the rest of you, but where I live, kids are growing up in homes with drug-addicted parents who don't care about them at all.  They are living in meth labs.  Their values are determined by ultra-violent video games.   They listen to music that would make you blush to read the lyrics (and no, it's no U2 or Kiss or any other rock group).

But the culture isn't the root cause.  It's merely an outgrowth.

What they need is Christ.  They also need people in their lives who care about them, who give them a safe place to be, who will listen to them when they talk.  They don't need lectures about how the media is luring them into Satanism (the only so-called "Satanists" I've met are ones who are trying to draw attention to themselves by doing the most outlandish thing they can think of).

That's why I get a bit emotional about this subject.  I think we're doing harm, not good.

I apologize for the tone I've taken here.  I get frustrated about this.  I need to remember that others think this is the way to go, even if I don't.

We are one, but we're not the same.  We've got to carry each other.

I watched one of the videos and they made some valid points, however, some of it was like a monkey throwing his feces at the wall and hoping it will stick.

If I had a list of everything any of you did or said in your whole life, I could twist at least a few things that you've done wrong and paint you as a Satanist.

Quote from: marc on Sat Sep 01, 2007 - 06:56:41


See? This is what I mean.  You're repeating nonsense.

I'm sorry, but this sort of stuff destroys the credibility of Christianity.  It diverts us from the real message and stains our witness.  We are too easily taken in, and people assume that if we jump at these fairy tales, seeing demons in corneres and interpreting symbols in mysterious ways, then maybe the other things that we say are true....


j-man, you need to be more aware of the enemy's schemes.  He's more subtle than you give him credit for being.

Marc, why are you attacking him when he is right? Marilyn Manson uses the same symbol to promote Satanism.

http://www.spookhouse.net/angelynx/manson/mansonlogo.jpg

Quote from: marc on Sat Sep 01, 2007 - 06:56:41


See? This is what I mean.  You're repeating nonsense.

Okay marc, loom at the lyrics from Kiss' song "God of Thunder." It refers to "thor" which is a name that symbolizes Satan.

Quote

I was born on Olympus
To my father a son
I was raised by the demons
Trained to reign as the one
God of thunder and rock and roll. . .
I gather darkness to please me
And I command you to kneel
Before the God of thunder and rock and roll
The spell you're under
Will slowly rob you of your virgin soul
   KISS, God of Thunder

QuoteI'm sorry, but this sort of stuff destroys the credibility of Christianity. 

You know, in the early church days, christians were boldly standing for the truth and taking a stand agains the pagan practices. They were heavily persicuted but they stood their ground. In spite of all that, multitudes were won to the Lord. If they didn't stand against the pagan practices, many would have kept on practicing their occultism. Eventaully paganism became unpopular which is why it became subtle, thos who practiced it, did it in secret.

When the apostle Paul  in Acts12:6-10, Paul confronts barjesus about his sorcery. Paul didn't pat him on the back. Paul stood up against what barjesus was doing. Nowadays, Paul would have been called a fanatic, a fundie, he would have been called a legalist,  he would have been accused of being judgemental, holier-than-thou, intolerant, etc, all because he stood against the works of Satan. Same principal today. Anyone who stands for the truth is maliciously accused of these things. Even many christians have succumbed to that lie. Ephesians4;15 says to speak the truth in love. It doesn't say to shut your mouth and not speak up at all. Nowadays, you speak the truth about something, man will you eve get people mad at you!

QuoteIt diverts us from the real message and stains our witness. [/quiote]

I guess the apostle Paul must have been diverted from his witness too, eh???    You know when he had the guts to confront Barjesus about practicing witchcraft.  

QuoteWe are too easily taken in, and people assume that if we jump at these fairy tales, seeing demons in corneres and interpreting symbols in mysterious ways, then maybe the other things that we say are true....

They don't see demons in corners, they see them where they are really at. The truth is, they are real, their activity against humanity is real. Ephesians6:12 tells us straight out who our battle is against. Jesus dealth with them, the apostles dealt with them. Was the apostle Paul seeing a demon behind every conrer when he casted out that spirit of divination(acts16;16-18) Maybe he was just jumping on fairy tales??? Of he did get a mob of people angry at him. Because he did what many today would call him a fanatic and a fundie for.

Quotej-man, you need to be more aware of the enemy's schemes.  He's more subtle than you give him credit for being.

He's very subtle alrgiht. And he's got you and many others deceived to his ways. I know how his kingdom operates and that's why Satan hates me being on here. Because I expose him.

And, some thought the "SS" in KISS was reminiscient of the Nazi organization in WWII.

But, for what it's worth... http://www.snopes.com/music/hidden/kiss.asp

The site has an excerpt from Gene Simmons' autobiography where he addressed some of the apparently false rumors that were going around about the band... as well as how they came up with the name.

Quote from: CSloan on Sat Sep 01, 2007 - 08:43:11

Quote from: marc on Sat Sep 01, 2007 - 06:56:41


See? This is what I mean.  You're repeating nonsense.

I'm sorry, but this sort of stuff destroys the credibility of Christianity.  It diverts us from the real message and stains our witness.  We are too easily taken in, and people assume that if we jump at these fairy tales, seeing demons in corneres and interpreting symbols in mysterious ways, then maybe the other things that we say are true....


j-man, you need to be more aware of the enemy's schemes.  He's more subtle than you give him credit for being.

Marc, why are you attacking him when he is right? Marilyn Manson uses the same symbol to promote Satanism.

http://www.spookhouse.net/angelynx/manson/mansonlogo.jpg

Like I already said, when you speak the truth, your subject to personal attacks.

Quote from: DCR on Sat Sep 01, 2007 - 08:51:39
Some thought the "SS" in KISS was reminiscient of the Nazi organization in WWII.

FWIW... http://www.snopes.com/music/hidden/kiss.asp

The site has an excerpt from Gene Simmons' autobiography where he addressed some of the apparently false rumors that were going around about the band.

Hitler was  a satanist. That is why he symbolized the "SS' in a zig-zag shaped format. I doubt the KISS was into nazism, therefore would not at all be remniscient of the nazi organization. But that symbol is a satanic symbol. Think it's a coincidence that KISS would shape their S' like that?

Quote from: the J Man on Sat Sep 01, 2007 - 08:55:25Think it's a coincidence that KISS would shape their S' like that?

Sure.  And, apparently, if you turn the Coca-Cola logo on its side, it appears to be an image of someone snorting cocaine... http://www.planetperplex.com/en/item277

IMO, the S's the KISS logo look more like the Nazi SS insignia than they do the supposedly Satanic symbol you refer to.  As for Hitler deliberately using the Satanic symbol for the insignia, I'll need to look into that.

But, I really doubt it's either.

I've said this before, but I am more concerned about the lies propagated by "Christians" in the name of benjamins like many on TBN and the Word of Faith/Prosperity Gospel than the other stuff.

Below illustrates Marc's points about falsehoods:

Taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler#Religious_beliefs

QuoteHitler was raised by Roman Catholic parents, but as a boy he rejected Catholicism. Apparently, after Hitler left home, he never attended Mass or received the sacraments.[76]

In later life, Hitler often praised the Christian heritage, German culture, and a belief in Christ. But his private statements, as reported by his intimates, are more mixed, showing Hitler as a religious man but critical of Christianity.[77] However, in contrast to other Nazi leaders, Hitler did not adhere to esoteric ideas, occultism, or neo-paganism,[77] and ridiculed such beliefs in Mein Kampf.[78] Rather, Hitler advocated a "Positive Christianity",[79] a belief system purged from what he objected to in traditional Christianity, and which reinvented Jesus as a fighter against the Jews.

Hitler spoke of his Christianity as a motivation for his anti-Semitism. In a speech Hitler gave in Munich on April 12, 1922, and later published in "My New Order", he stated:
"    My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who - God's truth! - was greatest, not as a sufferer, but as a fighter.

In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.

Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross.

As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice...

And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery.

When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exploited."[80][81]
   

Quote from: DCR on Sat Sep 01, 2007 - 09:04:10

  As for Hitler deliberately using the Satanic symbol for the insignia, I'll need to look into that.

But, I really doubt it's either.

Even the sawastika(also known as the sun wheel) was originally an occult symbol representing the 4 winds. It shouldn't surprise anyone that Hitler was a satanist. After all the cruel inhumane things he had done to others, it's obvious that he was a devout follower of Satan. Sure he called himself a christian, but a tree will be known by it's fruit. Certainly wasn't the fruit of the Spirit in him to cause all the warfare and destruction that he caused.

Quote from: DCR on Sat Sep 01, 2007 - 09:04:10

Quote from: the J Man on Sat Sep 01, 2007 - 08:55:25Think it's a coincidence that KISS would shape their S' like that?

Sure.  And, apparently, if you turn the Coca-Cola logo on its side, it appears to be an image of someone snorting cocaine... http://www.planetperplex.com/en/item277

IMO, the S's the KISS logo look more like the Nazi SS insignia than they do the supposedly Satanic symbol you refer to.  As for Hitler deliberately using the Satanic symbol for the insignia, I'll need to look into that.

But, I really doubt it's either.

Is that coca cola thing supposed to be funny?

As for the SS, seems to me they very well could all be related don't you think?

Quote from: Gary on Sat Sep 01, 2007 - 09:09:36
Below illustrates Marc's points about falsehoods:

Taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler#Religious_beliefs

QuoteHitler was raised by Roman Catholic parents, but as a boy he rejected Catholicism. Apparently, after Hitler left home, he never attended Mass or received the sacraments.[76]

In later life, Hitler often praised the Christian heritage, German culture, and a belief in Christ. But his private statements, as reported by his intimates, are more mixed, showing Hitler as a religious man but critical of Christianity.[77] However, in contrast to other Nazi leaders, Hitler did not adhere to esoteric ideas, occultism, or neo-paganism,[77] and ridiculed such beliefs in Mein Kampf.[78] Rather, Hitler advocated a "Positive Christianity",[79] a belief system purged from what he objected to in traditional Christianity, and which reinvented Jesus as a fighter against the Jews.

Hitler spoke of his Christianity as a motivation for his anti-Semitism. In a speech Hitler gave in Munich on April 12, 1922, and later published in "My New Order", he stated:
"    My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who - God's truth! - was greatest, not as a sufferer, but as a fighter.

In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.

Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross.

As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice...

And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery.

When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exploited."[80][81]
   

I'm not a KISS fan, but I did read Thor comic books back when I was young, and I never knew Jack Kriby & co were into Satanism....


anyway, If you wanna kiss the sky you better learn how to kneel.

Thor is a false god, Marc.

(Cf. 1 Cor. 10:19-20.)

Thor isn't real. Very few people still worship him.  I suppose to the few neo-pagans he might be, but to most of us he is a fictional character.

Thursday is named after him, however. 

You know, I'm not a Kiss fan.  I've never bought one of their records, played one of their songs on a juke box, etc.  I always thought they were too over-the-top and hedonistic.  But I also know that the "Knights in Satan's Service" garbage has caused a lot of people to take Christianity less seriously than they should.  When we choose fighting Harry Potter (the last book of which has blatant Christian overtones, according to reviews) over meeting people where they are, we are the ones who have lost track of what we're supposed to be doing here.

My old comic books won't send me to Hell.  If I had any Kiss records, they wouldn't either.  My Ray Bradbury or M.R. James books won't.  My Nathaniel Hawthorne won't.  My Shakespeare won't.

As I said earlier, the serpent is much more subtle than we give him credit for.  He doesn't run around painted red with horns, a tail, and a pitchfork. 

Around here, he manufactures meth.  I would suppose his guise varies from place to place.

Also around here, the people who have been harmed most by Satan need people to welcome them and teach them gently.

And the people we need to reach are going to be a lot less receptive, a lot less willing to let us in, if we come after them condemning their music, their books, etc., etc. instead of telling them about the gentle yoke of Christ.

Honestly, Marc, I believe you are being very naive... Bono prancing around on stage wearing devil horns, false gods being repackaged as children's heros, and books being promoted to children about witchcraft cause nothing more than a waving of your hand? Consider the word of the Lord, regarding this subject, and these things:

"He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad." ~ Matt. 12:30

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." ~ Eph. 6:12

"Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him." ~ 1 John 2:15

Quote from: James Rondon on Sat Sep 01, 2007 - 19:52:34
Honestly, Marc, I believe you are being very naive... Bono prancing around on stage wearing devil horns, false gods being repackaged as children's heros, and books being promoted to children about witchcraft cause nothing more than a waving of your hand? Consider the word of the Lord, regarding this subject, and these things:

"He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad." ~ Matt. 12:30

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." ~ Eph. 6:12

"Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him." ~ 1 John 2:15

Amen.

We need to decide whos side we are truly on.

Quote from: the J Man on Sat Sep 01, 2007 - 10:33:45

Quote from: Gary on Sat Sep 01, 2007 - 09:09:36
Below illustrates Marc's points about falsehoods:

Taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler#Religious_beliefs

QuoteHitler was raised by Roman Catholic parents, but as a boy he rejected Catholicism. Apparently, after Hitler left home, he never attended Mass or received the sacraments.[76]

In later life, Hitler often praised the Christian heritage, German culture, and a belief in Christ. But his private statements, as reported by his intimates, are more mixed, showing Hitler as a religious man but critical of Christianity.[77] However, in contrast to other Nazi leaders, Hitler did not adhere to esoteric ideas, occultism, or neo-paganism,[77] and ridiculed such beliefs in Mein Kampf.[78] Rather, Hitler advocated a "Positive Christianity",[79] a belief system purged from what he objected to in traditional Christianity, and which reinvented Jesus as a fighter against the Jews.

Hitler spoke of his Christianity as a motivation for his anti-Semitism. In a speech Hitler gave in Munich on April 12, 1922, and later published in "My New Order", he stated:
"    My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who - God's truth! - was greatest, not as a sufferer, but as a fighter.

In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.

Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross.

As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice...

And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery.

When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exploited."[80][81]
   

Hitler was a change agent.









Sorry.  Wrong thread....

Quote from: marc on Sat Sep 01, 2007 - 19:26:36
Thor isn't real. Very few people still worship him.  I suppose to the few neo-pagans he might be, but to most of us he is a fictional character.

Thursday is named after him, however. 

Goes to show how much occult influence is in our society is the days of the week, the planets, the names of some automobiles, have occult names.

QuoteYou know, I'm not a Kiss fan.  I've never bought one of their records, played one of their songs on a juke box, etc.  I always thought they were too over-the-top and hedonistic.  But I also know that the "Knights in Satan's Service" garbage has caused a lot of people to take Christianity less seriously than they should. 

Gotta wonder why they call themselves KISS? Where did they come up with a name like that?

Quote
As I said earlier, the serpent is much more subtle than we give him credit for.  He doesn't run around painted red with horns, a tail, and a pitchfork. 

Around here, he manufactures meth.  I would suppose his guise varies from place to place.

Also around here, the people who have been harmed most by Satan need people to welcome them and teach them gently.

Concerning how subtle Satan is, his desire is to destroy humanity. All of his tactics need to be exposed for what it really is. Drugs, alcohol, gambling, pornography, wars, violence, destroyed marriages and broken homes, the new age influence in schools, ungodly music, TV shows and movies that have ungodly influence, many of the video games out there today, these are all tactics he is using to devour people. The world is in a mess because people are not walking upright with God and following after the commands of God. They are not submitted to God. If everyone was walking upright with God, the world wouldn't be in shambles. This is why Satan promotes this kind of music, TV shows, movies, Video games, etc. To lure people away from Christ and to the dark side. The church needs to be aware of what is going on. Sadly, many are spiritually asleep and don't know what is going on.

The main goal of the united satanic front is to get as many as possible into witchcraft. They aim specifically at children because they are most vulnerable and easily influenced. How do they plan to get people inducted into the occult? By making it look like harmless and innocent fun, by making it look prestigious, by making it look attractive. You may not ntoive this, but I am totally aware of the dramatic increase in occultism and witchcraft over the last 10 years. There is so many that are now practicing witchcraft these days. It is popular amongst the youth these days to be a witch. That is not something we should sit back and take lightly. It's too bad that most christians don't have a clue as to how much occult activity really goes on. We are the only ones who can get people out of the ocuclt, but too many of us, are oblivious to that facts.

QuoteAnd the people we need to reach are going to be a lot less receptive, a lot less willing to let us in, if we come after them condemning their music, their books, etc., etc. instead of telling them about the gentle yoke of Christ.

This isn't about condmening, this is about people be aware of what is going on.

Ooooh God, help me... I can't stand it.

How do You?!?

Have y'all even ever read the lyrics to "Sympathy For The Devil"?

Quote from: janine on Sun Sep 02, 2007 - 23:18:42
Have y'all even ever read the lyrics to "Sympathy For The Devil"?

The lyrics of the song speak for itself as to who it is talking about. Sadly, many chrsitians don't even realize that Satan, the devil is the cause of the tragedies and disasters going on in the world. If you expose that, they assume your giving Satan glory. They mock you by acccusing you of looking for demons under every bush. So much destruction is caused by the adversary, yet many chrsitians laugh and scoff of that when someone exposes it. But the bible doesn't take Satan lightly, so why do so many christians? Jesus dealt with demons very seriously, so why do so many chrsitians laugh and scoff at anyone exposing the wickedness of the adversary?  

That's what Satan loves, when the church is oblivious to his ways and doesn't take him seriously. That is the reason why he remains pretty much unhindered.