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Quote from: kensington on Sat Dec 27, 2008 - 21:51:58
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Quote from: LOVE2DAY on Sat Dec 27, 2008 - 20:54:13
So, what are you saying?

Clearly the bibles tells us if we marry someone who is divorced that we are committing adultery.

Can you agree with that?

That is not what the bible says... What it says is... if we are a believer and that if we marry a believer who was divorced for adultery then we commit adultery.

IF they are divorced for no fault of their own... so someone else can commit adultery... we do not commit adultery.  Paul also says that it's a matter in the church.  So, if someone divorced BEFORE they knew the LORD... those sins are cleansed upon salvation and that person also can remarry.  If you are married to a non believer who leaves you and divorces you, you can remarry also.

You can marry someone who was divorced for any of 3 reasons... Divorced before salvation...  Abandoned by a nonbeliever.... Divorced so spouse can marry someone esle.  In those 3 cases, you can marry them. In those 3 cases, they also can remarry.

I agree with this Kensington. It seems to be what the bible teaches us.

So what happens if a Christian  committed adultery and wanted to marry the person who they had the affair with, and so divorced their spouse, but then went on to break up with the person they were having a realtionship with. Presumably they are not free to remarry if they ever meet anyone else, becuase they will be committing adultery. What if their spouse, the innocent one, has since remarried, does that mean that the cheating spouse is now free to marry themselves, or are they still going to be committing adultery in your understanding.?
This dosnt apply to me so it isnt a personal question, its just something I have wondered about before.

The problem is that you cannot get past the old man of sin. If the word of God tells you that you cannot commit adultery. Then you say I am under Christ and I am forgiven for the sins of  my past, present and future.
You exhault yourselves in heaven. With this belief you will always remain in your sins.  You are not even born in Christ. Not only that you are not born at all. You are still that old man of sin. If your not born of Christ then you are not his.  Many are blinded from the foundation of repentance because they love not the truth.
They choose the road to perdition and instead the choice of Christ, they choose the son of perdition.





3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2 Thess 2:3-4
The word is fulfilling. The falling away has come to the church.  The world has fell into this perdition and the son of perdition is who they worship. Does he not sit in your church and it is the son of perdition of whom you worship as GOD.  The son of perdition tells you it is okay to commit adultery, to break GODS commandments.  Like Satan told Eve in the garden you wont surely die. The church is deceived by this son of perdition.   Also when the time is right the son of perdition will be revealed unto you.

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die
Gen 3:3

Ye shall not surely die: 5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Gen 3:4-5

Just as Satan is doing now, "Go ahead commit adultery break Gods Commandments Surely you wont die.

Jesus Does not Teach In any Way, That you Can remarry , Even for Forncation, Even if you did not Do any thing, You Still CANNOT Remarry...In any way Shape or Forum...Wile they are ALIVE...If you Do, You Commit Adultery....If you say you can , You make GOD a Liar...Because Jesus Said you CANT


They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a ((writing of divorcement)), and to put ((her away))?

He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives:(( but from the beginning it was not so. ))


And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and



No were Does Jesus Say you Can Remarry....No Were, Even For Fornication


So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress Romans 7:3

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Is it really unfair?

When Christ died for our sins that was unfair, and now because we know the truth we must suffered as Christ suffered.

If your husband is having sex with his girlfriend then he is also defiled and for him to become a christian he will have to put sex away. So by saying that, you are still defiled if your husband comes back to you. You can not have sex.

You only get one chance at a clean marriage

2 virgins =undefiled =clean marriage=clean when Christ comes back!
2 defiled=unclean marriage=naked in your sin when Christ comes back!
Yes it is that SIMPLE

The author never addresses the difference between 'put away' and 'divorce'.. so he fails at even basic interpretation.

Put away and divorce are 2 totally separate Greek words and mean 2 different things.. yet he equates them as equal.

Epic fail is what I would say.

Quote from: LOVE2DAY on Tue Dec 30, 2008 - 15:19:53
Is it really unfair?

When Christ died for our sins that was unfair, and now because we know the truth we must suffered as Christ suffered.

If your husband is having sex with his girlfriend then he is also defiled and for him to become a christian he will have to put sex away. So by saying that, you are still defiled if your husband comes back to you. You can not have sex.

You only get one chance at a clean marriage

2 virgins =undefiled =clean marriage=clean when Christ comes back!
2 defiled=unclean marriage=naked in your sin when Christ comes back!
Yes it is that SIMPLE

Such twisted logic.. I don't even know where to start!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jesus is my cleaner.. he is the only thing that can make me clean.

It is not Twisted

Yet the children of thy people say, The way of the Lord is not equal:

but as for them, their way is not equal.

18 When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby.

19 But if the wicked turn from his wickedness, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall live thereby.

20 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal.Ezek 33:17-20

Will you at least address the differences between 'put away' and 'divorce' ?... if not, we know you are false.

And you respond with more Old Covenant scripture that no longer applies.. man is your theology twisted.. seriously.

It does not Matter what, Your Greek or Latin says...all that Matters is What Jesus SAID

Is not the Wages of Sin Death Ro 6:23

But if you Repent and Sin no more John 8:11 LIFE

As Jesus Said IN Matt 13:49-50 Matt 25:32-33

If a man abide not in me , he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them , and b]cast them into the fire[/b] , and they are burned.



after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.  For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 11

In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ
Col 2:8-11

Matt 19:7-8

They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a ((writing of divorcement)), and to put ((her away))?

He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives:(( but from the beginning it was not so. ))


Matt 19:9

And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and


shall marry another, committeth adultery


and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

No were Does Jesus Say you Can Remarry....No Were, Even For Fornication


She Shall Be Called An Adulteress

So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress Romans 7:3

For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
Romans 16:18

Quote from: elijah_101 on Tue Dec 30, 2008 - 15:32:39
It does not Matter what, Your Greek or Latin says...all that Matters is What Jesus SAID

How do you know what Jesus said then?  All the texts that you quote from were derived from the Greek received text...

Jesus never spoke in old english... ever.

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And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.




3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment
2 Peter 2:2-4

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Quote from: elijah_101 on Tue Dec 30, 2008 - 15:50:09
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

with feigned words make merchandise of you

3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment
2 Peter 2:2-4

Those are not Christ's exact words by the way.. even though you like brandishing them around.

Quote from: Hehealedme on Tue Dec 30, 2008 - 15:52:21

Quotethe differences between 'put away' and 'divorce' ?...

What is the difference between the two? ? ?...

To 'put away' one's wife would be to send her back to her family and put her out of the house and never give her a bill of divorce.  Back in the day if you divorced your wife, you had to return her dowry and men were keeping the money instead.. and since they never actually divorced their wives were not legally obligated to return her things.

Joseph contemplated 'putting away' Mary when he found out she was pregnant.  They were not married yet but were obligated to and he had taken possession of her stuff.  Because it would be assumed that she had fornicated on him, it was within his right to send her home.

This practice of 'putting away' ones wife was pretty rampant during Jesus time and was legally stranding a lot of women... So Jesus spoke out against it in very strong terms.  Men who put away their wives and remarried were definitely committing adultery... same with the women because they were technically still married in the eyes of the law.

Divorce is a legal term finishing the marriage forever.

Did you know that even God initiated a divorce against his bride?.. Israel?.


The following article is pretty much my take on it. 
http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/SC03-1020CDNotes.htm

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D.  Proposals Regarding the Scriptural Teaching on Divorce & Remarriage



1.      Because of the sacredness of marriage and the seriousness of covenant vows, all biblical means should be exhausted to keep any marriage together (cf. 1 Cor. 7:12; 1 Pet. 3:1-2; Matt. 18:15-17). The believer should never consider divorce except in specific circumstances and even in those circumstances it should only be pursued reluctantly because there is no other recourse.



2.      If sexual immorality, other sin, or even separation occurs in a marriage, but reconciliation to a monogamous, cohabitant relationship is possible, then the faithful partner should forgive and reconcile (cf. Luke 17:3-4; Matt. 5:23-24). Reconciliation after divorce is not possible when one partner remains an unbeliever (cf. 2 Cor. 6:14ff; 1 Cor. 7:39), but it is a necessary fruit of repentance when two believers have been divorced (cf. Mal. 2:13-16; Matt. 5:32).



3.      If the unbeliever leaves the marital relationship permanently but is not willing to file for divorce, perhaps because of lifestyle, irresponsibility, or to avoid monetary obligations, then the believer is in an impossible situation of having legal and moral obligations that he or she cannot fulfill. Because "the brother or sister is not under bondage in such cases

You got to Give a Writting of DIVORCEMENT Before you can Put them AWAY Matt 19:7-8

Even in Mans Law, Unless you Get a Bill of Divorcement, You CANNOT Remarry...Unless she oe he is Divorced

But in Gods Law, If you Remarry you Commit Adultery!!!Matt 19:9

Gods Word is Freely Given...Not to make MONEY...Matthew 10:8 Acts 8:18

Good Example

So Naaman came with his horses and with his chariot, and stood at the door of the house of Elisha. 10 And Elisha sent a messenger unto him, saying, Go and wash in Jordan seven times, and thy flesh shall come again to thee, and thou shalt be clean.
2 Kings 5:9-10

And Naaman said, Be content, take two talents. And he urged him, and bound two talents of silver in two bags, with two changes of garments, and laid them upon two of his servants; and they bare them before him.
2 Kings 5:23

Thy servant went no whither. 26 And he said unto him, Went not mine heart with thee, when the man turned again from his chariot to meet thee?

Is it a time to receive money,

and to receive garments, and oliveyards, and vineyards, and sheep, and oxen, and menservants, and maidservants? 27 The leprosy therefore of Naaman shall cleave unto thee, and unto thy seed for ever. And he went out from his presence a leper as white as snow.
2 Kings 5:25-27 (

Quote from: elijah_101 on Tue Dec 30, 2008 - 16:03:12
You got to Give a Writting of DIVORCEMENT Before you can Put them AWAY Matt 19:7-8

Even in Mans Law, Unless you Get a Bill of Divorcement, You CANNOT Remarry...

But in Gods Law, If you Remarry you Commit Adultery!!!Matt 19:9

Gods Word is Freely Given...Not to make MONEY...Matthew 10:8 Acts 8:18

Good Example

So Naaman came with his horses and with his chariot, and stood at the door of the house of Elisha. 10 And Elisha sent a messenger unto him, saying, Go and wash in Jordan seven times, and thy flesh shall come again to thee, and thou shalt be clean.
2 Kings 5:9-10

And Naaman said, Be content, take two talents. And he urged him, and bound two talents of silver in two bags, with two changes of garments, and laid them upon two of his servants; and they bare them before him.
2 Kings 5:23

Thy servant went no whither. 26 And he said unto him, Went not mine heart with thee, when the man turned again from his chariot to meet thee?

Is it a time to receive money,

and to receive garments, and oliveyards, and vineyards, and sheep, and oxen, and menservants, and maidservants? 27 The leprosy therefore of Naaman shall cleave unto thee, and unto thy seed for ever. And he went out from his presence a leper as white as snow.
2 Kings 5:25-27 (

You have it backwards... no doubt about it.

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Matthew 19:7-8 (New International Version)
8Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."

'send her away' is not the same as 'put away'... 2 different greek words.

Marital unfaithfulness gives a lot of latitude for grounds for divorce.. and you can marry again if you want if you fit the criteria.

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I did... 2 posts up at the beginng of my long post.

Quote from: Hehealedme on Tue Dec 30, 2008 - 16:13:09

Quote'send her away' is not the same as 'put away'... 2 different greek words.

Tantor...can you now tell me the difference between those two please?...I need to know because I have no idea where I am in all of this...

Look 2 posts up... My long post. reply #85.

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 They shall not take a wife that is a wh*re, or profane; neither shall they take a woman put away from her husband: for he is holy unto his God.
Lev 21:7





16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
Isaiah 1:16

1 Thus saith the LORD, Where is the bill of your mother's divorcement, whom I have put away? or which of my creditors is it to whom I have sold you? Behold, for your iniquities have ye sold yourselves, and for your transgressions is your mother put away.
Isaiah 50:1

1 They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD.
Jer 3:1

God does tell you to continue in your sins, he never has and never will. 


7 And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it. 8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce
Jer 3:6-8


If thou wilt return, O Israel, saith the LORD, return unto me: and if thou wilt put away thine abominations out of my sight, then shalt thou not remove.
Jer 4:1


Now let them put away their whoredom, and the carcases of their kings, far from me, and I will dwell in the midst of them for ever. 1
Ezek 43:9-10


Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: 32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Matt 5:31-32
 

They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her awa
Matt 19:7


11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. 12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
Mark 10:11-12


18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.
Luke 16:18


hehealedme:This is the answer to your Question.
And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: 11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. 12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away 1 Cor 7:10-12 [/b][/i][/u][/color][/color]


The Word of God!

Quote from: elijah_101 on Tue Dec 30, 2008 - 13:48:07
Jesus Does not Teach In any Way, That you Can remarry , Even for Forncation, Even if you did not Do any thing, You Still CANNOT Remarry...In any way Shape or Forum...Wile they are ALIVE...If you Do, You Commit Adultery....If you say you can , You make GOD a Liar...Because Jesus Said you CANT

Matt 19:7-8

They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a ((writing of divorcement)), and to put ((her away))?

He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives:(( but from the beginning it was not so. ))

Matt 19:9

And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and

shall marry another, committeth adultery

and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

No were Does Jesus Say you Can Remarry....No Were, Even For Fornication

She Shall Be Called An Adulteress

So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress Romans 7:3

You are wrong jesus said that if you divorce for adultery you are NOT committing adultery by remarrying. it is so clear. Everyone who I have ever heard teach on this says the same and many of them are people who have studied these verses with all their original meanings and words. in depth.he never said that you cannot remary. if you divorce you arer no longer married therefore you CAN remarry.
Thus what happened in jesus time and what he knew tot be the case.
See the story of the women at the  well, where Jesus recognised ALL of her 5 marriages by calling all 5 of them her husbands and not jst the first.
Hmmmm, I think we have been round this bend before.

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Quote from: Tantor on Tue Dec 30, 2008 - 15:20:05
The author never addresses the difference between 'put away' and 'divorce'.. so he fails at even basic interpretation.

Put away and divorce are 2 totally separate Greek words and mean 2 different things.. yet he equates them as equal.

Epic fail is what I would say.

Thats what I as thinking when I read it. When the men put away their wives they were not giving them a divorce, so the wives could not remarry. Not to be able to remarry was a terrible thing for w wone then as she had no one to support her, and so if she was given a divorce she was able to remarry and thus able to be supported.THIS is what God hated in malachi, it was the fact that they were putting away their wives to marry another without giving their old wives a proper divorce certificate.

 30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

31 , Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:

32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.Matt 5:29-32

hehealedme
if you want to understand what the Bible really says about divorce and remarriage then someone like Derek Prince is a very good teacher to look up. He spoke Greek and hebrew to such a deep level as to be able to teach them and deeply studied ateh Bible and taught for many many years. He has a website and you can order many of his books and cds etc.on. I have always found all of his teaching to be firmly grounded in truth, and extreemly well balanced.

Quote from: LOVE2DAY on Tue Dec 30, 2008 - 17:21:49
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

31 , Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:

32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.Matt 5:29-32

1) Jesus didn't mean it
2) It was only for the Jews being before the cross.
3) Later on, Paul was only talking to the Jews as well after the cross.
4) So don't marry a Jew.
5) Live it up.
6) none or all of the above

modified: 7) find an author who wrote something that sounds better than that.

I just CANT undertand why elijah and love2day dont concentrate all of their efforts on those who really ARE commiting adultery and cheating on their spouses...after all there are enough of them and it is happening all the time these days, instead of comdemning those who are biblically and legally married, and have never ever been unfaithful in their lives.

Quote from: zoonance on Tue Dec 30, 2008 - 17:27:13

Quote from: LOVE2DAY on Tue Dec 30, 2008 - 17:21:49
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

31 , Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:

32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.Matt 5:29-32

1) Jesus didn't mean it
2) It was only for the Jews being before the cross.
3) Later on, Paul was only talking to the Jews as well after the cross.
4) So don't marry a Jew.
5) Live it up.
6) none or all of the above

modified: 7) find an author who wrote something that sounds better than that.

If the spouse committs 'pornea; which means any sort of sexual immorality) then they have broken the marriage covenant so the innocent spouse is free to be divorced and therefore reamrried. jesus said this hmself.

I think it is important for them to assure doctrinal accuracy on this subject.  Not a personal attack on you or anybody else in particular as far as I can tell.  The "arguing" (apologeticizing) is dealing with base truths based on reading the text that was recorded for us.  I don't think that the bible requires a PhD in divinity in order to speak for God.  That is rather recent! He did pretty good with a few fishermen, a tax collector, etc...

Quote from: chosenone on Tue Dec 30, 2008 - 17:32:05

Quote from: zoonance on Tue Dec 30, 2008 - 17:27:13

Quote from: LOVE2DAY on Tue Dec 30, 2008 - 17:21:49
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

31 , Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:

32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.Matt 5:29-32

1) Jesus didn't mean it
2) It was only for the Jews being before the cross.
3) Later on, Paul was only talking to the Jews as well after the cross.
4) So don't marry a Jew.
5) Live it up.
6) none or all of the above

modified: 7) find an author who wrote something that sounds better than that.

If the spouse committs 'pornea; which means any sort of sexual immorality) then they have broken the marriage covenant so the innocent spouse is free to be divorced and therefore reamrried. jesus said this hmself.

Perhaps I have not read all the posts.  I am not sure where anybody has claimed that the innocent is not innocent.  (though Tamar in II Samuel is a sad story of one who's innocence was stolen with life long consequences)

Quote from: zoonance on Tue Dec 30, 2008 - 17:35:56

Quote from: chosenone on Tue Dec 30, 2008 - 17:32:05

Quote from: zoonance on Tue Dec 30, 2008 - 17:27:13

Quote from: LOVE2DAY on Tue Dec 30, 2008 - 17:21:49
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

31 , Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:

32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.Matt 5:29-32

1) Jesus didn't mean it
2) It was only for the Jews being before the cross.
3) Later on, Paul was only talking to the Jews as well after the cross.
4) So don't marry a Jew.
5) Live it up.
6) none or all of the above

modified: 7) find an author who wrote something that sounds better than that.

If the spouse committs 'pornea; which means any sort of sexual immorality) then they have broken the marriage covenant so the innocent spouse is free to be divorced and therefore reamrried. jesus said this hmself.

Perhaps I have not read all the posts.  I am not sure where anybody has claimed that the innocent is not innocent.  (though Tamar in II Samuel is a sad story of one who's innocence was stolen with life long consequences)

Elijah and love2day say that even if your spouse has commited adultery you are not allowed to remarry, and love2day also says that if this is the case and your spouse repents and comes back, you are never allowed to have sex again becuase they are defiled by having committed adultery, even if you are both still married.(not sure of eljah says this as well) .So you are banned form ever having  sex again with your own husband or wife.

Jesus tells the woman at the well:
14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. 30 But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.
Matt 19:28-30


18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? 19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. 20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother. 21 And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
John 3:16-21


God so (LOVED) past tense.
49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak
John 12:49-50

For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting
Gal 6:8

Now I wonder what Jesus is telling the woman at the well?

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30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

31 , Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:

32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.Matt 5:29-32

1) Jesus didn't mean it
2) It was only for the Jews being before the cross.
3) Later on, Paul was only talking to the Jews as well after the cross.
4) So don't marry a Jew.
5) Live it up.
6) none or all of the above

modified: 7) find an author who wrote something that sounds better than that.

If the spouse committs 'pornea; which means any sort of sexual immorality) then they have broken the marriage covenant so the innocent spouse is free to be divorced and therefore reamrried. jesus said this hmself.

Perhaps I have not read all the posts.  I am not sure where anybody has claimed that the innocent is not innocent.  (though Tamar in II Samuel is a sad story of one who's innocence was stolen with life long consequences)

Elijah and love2day say that even if your spouse has commited adultery you are not allowed to remarry, and love2day also says that if this is the case and your spouse repents and comes back, you are never allowed to have sex again becuase they are defiled by having committed adultery, even if you are both still married.(not sure of eljah says this as well) .So you are banned form ever having  sex again with your own husband or wife.

This comes from what I might call "the letter of law algebra" (If A and B then C must be the case - or any combination of IF this + that - those divided by X = the truth)   I do believe the NT authors (Jesus being one of them!) meant what they said and don't need to be seminaried.  But, Jesus majored on intent and minored on letter every time.  So will I.  That doesn't erase the letter - but it does give my intent legs to stand on.