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Quote from: k-pappy on Mon Jan 12, 2009 - 18:57:40
Chosenone, would you mind sharing where you got your statistics?

I think your number is a little high.

Thanks!

In Christ,
KP

I have been a Christian for 30 years and have known many christisns. I also I have heard many many teachings on divorce from many very wise and learned Christians, and no one I have ever met or heard has believed that those who divorced their spouses becuase THEIR spouses committed sexual immorality were guily of anything let alone that they were committing sexual immorality.

Since you are reading this thread k pappy, Is it actually allowed for someone to accuse another of something that they have never done? Is it allowed for them to say that they are of their father the devil? is is actually allowed for them to tell another that they are going to hell becuase of what their spouse has done?Is it allowed for someone to constantly judge, criticise and condemn others while they seem to imnply that they themselves are near perfect?

Whoa!  I just asked a simple question (and still unanswered)...I made no accusations or judgments.  Forgive me for butting in, I will step back out.

In Christ,
KP

Quote from: k-pappy on Mon Jan 12, 2009 - 19:36:12
Whoa!  I just asked a simple question (and still unanswered)...I made no accusations or judgments.  Forgive me for butting in, I will step back out.

In Christ,
KP

Sorry kpappy but as you are a mod I was interested to hear what your views were about what I asked. I did actually answer your question in the the first part of the answer. I was just glad  that a mod was reading what was happening that is all.

Quote from: Tantor on Mon Jan 12, 2009 - 16:07:16
I cannot believe that Jesus would allow an innocent person to be held hostage for the rest of their lives for the behavior of another... it amounts to false imprisonment.

And the laws of this land allow the adulterer to pretty much get away with murder and put the innocent party in agony for the rest of their lives.

That is not the Jesus I know.

I agree that you don't know the Jesus I was quoting:

1 John 2:3-6 By this WE KNOW that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.

Exodus 20:14  "You shall not commit adultery."

Luke 16:18 "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.

Quote from: SealedEternal on Tue Jan 13, 2009 - 17:47:19

Quote from: Tantor on Mon Jan 12, 2009 - 16:07:16
I cannot believe that Jesus would allow an innocent person to be held hostage for the rest of their lives for the behavior of another... it amounts to false imprisonment.

And the laws of this land allow the adulterer to pretty much get away with murder and put the innocent party in agony for the rest of their lives.

That is not the Jesus I know.

I agree that you don't know the Jesus I was quoting:

1 John 2:3-6 By this WE KNOW that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.

Exodus 20:14  "You shall not commit adultery."

Luke 16:18 "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.

Quote from: Tantor on Tue Jan 13, 2009 - 19:12:15

Quote from: SealedEternal on Tue Jan 13, 2009 - 17:47:19

Quote from: Tantor on Mon Jan 12, 2009 - 16:07:16
I cannot believe that Jesus would allow an innocent person to be held hostage for the rest of their lives for the behavior of another... it amounts to false imprisonment.

And the laws of this land allow the adulterer to pretty much get away with murder and put the innocent party in agony for the rest of their lives.

That is not the Jesus I know.

I agree that you don't know the Jesus I was quoting:

1 John 2:3-6 By this WE KNOW that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.

Exodus 20:14  "You shall not commit adultery."

Luke 16:18 "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.”

I Corinthians 6:9-10 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

1 John 3:4-10 Everyone practicing sin also practices lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. And you know that that One was revealed that He might take away our sins, and sin is not in Him. Everyone remaining in Him does not sin. Everyone practicing sin has not seen Him, nor known Him. Little children, MAKE SURE NO ONE DECEIVES YOU; the one practicing righteousness is righteous, even as that One is righteous. The one practicing sin is of the devil, because the devil sins from the beginning. For this the Son of God was revealed, that He might undo the works of the devil. No one who has been born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to sin, because he has been born of God. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are revealed: Everyone not practicing righteousness is not of God; also the one not loving his brother.

Matthew 7:23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I NEVER KNEW YOU; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

SealedEternal

I find it interesting that you believe that God violates free will by marrying people without their knowledge and consent and binds them together for the rest of their lives.

Because that is not the character of God that I see in the new covenant.

I suppose you must be a hyper-calvinist also. (double pre-destination).. because if he doesnt let you chose when it comes to marriage.. he sure won't let you chose when it comes to salvation.

I never said anything of the sort. It's clear from scripture that He gives us a free will to choose our mate. It is equally clear that He joins us to that person for life, and that it is adultery as far as He is concerned to divorce that person and marry another.

SealedEternal

Quote from: SealedEternal on Tue Jan 13, 2009 - 19:28:48

Quote from: Tantor on Tue Jan 13, 2009 - 19:12:15

Quote from: SealedEternal on Tue Jan 13, 2009 - 17:47:19

Quote from: Tantor on Mon Jan 12, 2009 - 16:07:16
I cannot believe that Jesus would allow an innocent person to be held hostage for the rest of their lives for the behavior of another... it amounts to false imprisonment.

And the laws of this land allow the adulterer to pretty much get away with murder and put the innocent party in agony for the rest of their lives.

That is not the Jesus I know.

I agree that you don't know the Jesus I was quoting:

1 John 2:3-6 By this WE KNOW that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.

Exodus 20:14  "You shall not commit adultery."

Luke 16:18 "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.”

I Corinthians 6:9-10 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

1 John 3:4-10 Everyone practicing sin also practices lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. And you know that that One was revealed that He might take away our sins, and sin is not in Him. Everyone remaining in Him does not sin. Everyone practicing sin has not seen Him, nor known Him. Little children, MAKE SURE NO ONE DECEIVES YOU; the one practicing righteousness is righteous, even as that One is righteous. The one practicing sin is of the devil, because the devil sins from the beginning. For this the Son of God was revealed, that He might undo the works of the devil. No one who has been born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to sin, because he has been born of God. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are revealed: Everyone not practicing righteousness is not of God; also the one not loving his brother.

Matthew 7:23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I NEVER KNEW YOU; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

SealedEternal

I find it interesting that you believe that God violates free will by marrying people without their knowledge and consent and binds them together for the rest of their lives.

Because that is not the character of God that I see in the new covenant.

I suppose you must be a hyper-calvinist also. (double pre-destination).. because if he doesnt let you chose when it comes to marriage.. he sure won't let you chose when it comes to salvation.

I never said anything of the sort. It's clear from scripture that He gives us a free will to choose our mate. It is equally clear that He joins us to that person for life, and that it is adultery as far as He is concerned to divorce that person and marry another.

SealedEternal

what have we done to deserve another self righteous judgemental critical person here?
sheeesh

Quote from: chosenone on Tue Jan 13, 2009 - 19:38:47

Quote from: SealedEternal on Tue Jan 13, 2009 - 19:28:48

Quote from: Tantor on Tue Jan 13, 2009 - 19:12:15

Quote from: SealedEternal on Tue Jan 13, 2009 - 17:47:19

Quote from: Tantor on Mon Jan 12, 2009 - 16:07:16
I cannot believe that Jesus would allow an innocent person to be held hostage for the rest of their lives for the behavior of another... it amounts to false imprisonment.

And the laws of this land allow the adulterer to pretty much get away with murder and put the innocent party in agony for the rest of their lives.

That is not the Jesus I know.

I agree that you don't know the Jesus I was quoting:

1 John 2:3-6 By this WE KNOW that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.

Exodus 20:14  "You shall not commit adultery."

Luke 16:18 "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.

Quote from: SealedEternal on Tue Jan 13, 2009 - 20:13:15

Quote from: chosenone on Tue Jan 13, 2009 - 19:38:47

Quote from: SealedEternal on Tue Jan 13, 2009 - 19:28:48

Quote from: Tantor on Tue Jan 13, 2009 - 19:12:15

Quote from: SealedEternal on Tue Jan 13, 2009 - 17:47:19

Quote from: Tantor on Mon Jan 12, 2009 - 16:07:16
I cannot believe that Jesus would allow an innocent person to be held hostage for the rest of their lives for the behavior of another... it amounts to false imprisonment.

And the laws of this land allow the adulterer to pretty much get away with murder and put the innocent party in agony for the rest of their lives.

That is not the Jesus I know.

I agree that you don't know the Jesus I was quoting:

1 John 2:3-6 By this WE KNOW that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.

Exodus 20:14  "You shall not commit adultery."

Luke 16:18 "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.”

I Corinthians 6:9-10 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

1 John 3:4-10 Everyone practicing sin also practices lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. And you know that that One was revealed that He might take away our sins, and sin is not in Him. Everyone remaining in Him does not sin. Everyone practicing sin has not seen Him, nor known Him. Little children, MAKE SURE NO ONE DECEIVES YOU; the one practicing righteousness is righteous, even as that One is righteous. The one practicing sin is of the devil, because the devil sins from the beginning. For this the Son of God was revealed, that He might undo the works of the devil. No one who has been born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to sin, because he has been born of God. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are revealed: Everyone not practicing righteousness is not of God; also the one not loving his brother.

Matthew 7:23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I NEVER KNEW YOU; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

SealedEternal

I find it interesting that you believe that God violates free will by marrying people without their knowledge and consent and binds them together for the rest of their lives.

Because that is not the character of God that I see in the new covenant.

I suppose you must be a hyper-calvinist also. (double pre-destination).. because if he doesnt let you chose when it comes to marriage.. he sure won't let you chose when it comes to salvation.

I never said anything of the sort. It's clear from scripture that He gives us a free will to choose our mate. It is equally clear that He joins us to that person for life, and that it is adultery as far as He is concerned to divorce that person and marry another.

SealedEternal

what have we done to deserve another self righteous judgemental critical person here?
sheeesh

If you can't handle God's message just attack His messenger. You are also bearing false wittness against me as I have said nothing of my "self righteousness" and have only spoken from God's Word what He says is righteousness. I have not "judged" anyone either, but have simply presented the standards He says that He is going to judge upon.

SealedEternal

Do you believe like elijah that we are 'married' to the very first person that we have sex with, even if we were raped (even by a family member?) D you agree with him that there is no sin of sex before marriage (which is called fornication)?
If you do agree with him, how can you be married to someone who is already married? How can you been married to a relative? he will never answer this question.(or any other question)
Are you married? Are you happliy married?Which denomination do you belong to?

Quote from: SealedEternal on Tue Jan 13, 2009 - 19:28:48

Quote from: Tantor on Tue Jan 13, 2009 - 19:12:15

Quote from: SealedEternal on Tue Jan 13, 2009 - 17:47:19

Quote from: Tantor on Mon Jan 12, 2009 - 16:07:16
I cannot believe that Jesus would allow an innocent person to be held hostage for the rest of their lives for the behavior of another... it amounts to false imprisonment.

And the laws of this land allow the adulterer to pretty much get away with murder and put the innocent party in agony for the rest of their lives.

That is not the Jesus I know.

I agree that you don't know the Jesus I was quoting:

1 John 2:3-6 By this WE KNOW that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.

Exodus 20:14  "You shall not commit adultery."

Luke 16:18 "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.”

I Corinthians 6:9-10 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

1 John 3:4-10 Everyone practicing sin also practices lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. And you know that that One was revealed that He might take away our sins, and sin is not in Him. Everyone remaining in Him does not sin. Everyone practicing sin has not seen Him, nor known Him. Little children, MAKE SURE NO ONE DECEIVES YOU; the one practicing righteousness is righteous, even as that One is righteous. The one practicing sin is of the devil, because the devil sins from the beginning. For this the Son of God was revealed, that He might undo the works of the devil. No one who has been born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to sin, because he has been born of God. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are revealed: Everyone not practicing righteousness is not of God; also the one not loving his brother.

Matthew 7:23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I NEVER KNEW YOU; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

SealedEternal

I find it interesting that you believe that God violates free will by marrying people without their knowledge and consent and binds them together for the rest of their lives.

Because that is not the character of God that I see in the new covenant.

I suppose you must be a hyper-calvinist also. (double pre-destination).. because if he doesnt let you chose when it comes to marriage.. he sure won't let you chose when it comes to salvation.

I never said anything of the sort. It's clear from scripture that He gives us a free will to choose our mate. It is equally clear that He joins us to that person for life, and that it is adultery as far as He is concerned to divorce that person and marry another.

SealedEternal

If it were only that easy... most people back during Jesus time had absolutely no free will to determine their mate.. their marriages were arranged by their parents and they had no choice in the matter.