Continuing on the millennium fallacy

[lea]

Rella,
I do believe the Sodom and Gomorrah crowd really never went away, but hid in the closet for thousands of years.

Rev.22:
12 "And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the [f]Beginning and the End, the First and the Last."

14 Blessed are those who [g]do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 [h]But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

16 "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star."

17 And the Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears say, "Come!" And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.

They were around even after Satan was destroyed.

[robycop3]

Rella,
I do believe the Sodom and Gomorrah crowd really never went away, but hid in the closet for thousands of years.

Rev.22:
12 "And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the [f]Beginning and the End, the First and the Last."

14 Blessed are those who [g]do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 [h]But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

16 "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star."

17 And the Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears say, "Come!" And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.

They were around even after Satan was destroyed.

Satan isn't destroyed. The existence of preterism is one proof of that.

[Rella]

Rella,
I do believe the Sodom and Gomorrah crowd really never went away, but hid in the closet for thousands of years.

Rev.22:
12 "And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the [f]Beginning and the End, the First and the Last."

14 Blessed are those who [g]do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 [h]But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

16 "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star."

17 And the Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears say, "Come!" And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.

They were around even after Satan was destroyed.

Ditto what robycop said, Satan is not destroyed.

Please read this carefully....

BUT....

You are either missing my point or have been blinded to the truth.

Even if Satan is destroyed.... and even if you are correct that the Sodom and Gomorrah crowd really never went away, but hid in the closet for thousands of years.

This is contradictory in your beliefs.

First it is written by John


12 "And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the [f]Beginning and the End, the First and the Last."

You say He came and did this in 70AD. This plainly states that if Jesus did this in 70 AD that he brought His reward then to give to everyone according to his work up til  70AD.

Meaning after 70AD and all who are alive today, who did not "make it" in 70AD ( and all those who survived from that time until today) do NOT HAVE THE PROMISE OF HIS REWARD.

If , however, we understand that He has not returned yet... then we have that blessed hope for our reward from Jesus and looking to, hopefully receiving one or more of those 5 crowns talked about by Paul in 1 Corinthians 9:24-25

If that has all been completed then we have no hope.

contiuning....

14 Blessed are those who [g]do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 [h]But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

If it happened at 70AD there is no hope for those past then , even if they do His commandments.  God created Adam, Man screwed it up, Jesus came and died for their sins.... and even said from the cross.  John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

We know he ascended to Heaven to sit on Gods right hand... I do not think there is any dispute anywhere about that???
And from there then, if it is the 70AD time... They planned what would happen 40 years later., after the crucifixion... to make it truly finished.

There is nowhere in the four corners of the bible that ever says once Jesus returns for his people.... you say 70AD... that there is continued hope. No where!

16 "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star."

John is being told of these things get the word out to the churches.... THE  7 CHURCHES....  Too much to copy and past from this article but at least read up to this point " to the pastors of the seven churches, who were (epi) , "over" the churches,

https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/revelation-22-16.html

So I repeat.... if 70AD is the date.... we are not included

17 And the Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears say, "Come!" And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.

Self explanatory, but if 70 AD is the date... this was meant for those up until then, not after.

You use much of Revelation and Daniel and mix it with the gospels through out. Not you specifically but preterists in general as proof of your 70AD time.
I will not say you are totally in error in doing this but I want you to know that I see you doing this like

if you have a cylinder that measures let's say 2 " across the round part, and you have a second cylinder measuring 1 3/4" across the round part.... both about the same height... maybe 1/16" difference... but both are painted the same color.

And you take those 2 cylinders ... starting with the 1 3/4" one and drop it through a 2" hole.... You will say it fits and be accurate.

But then take that 2" cylinder and drop it through the 2" hold , you will find it does not just drop through without effort.

That is because it is a perfect fit. 

Your 70AD is that 1 3/4" cylinder. Ours that  has not happened yet is that 2" perfect fit.

[3 Resurrections]

Except that there are really THREE 2" cylinders.  A perfect 2"  fit at BOTH ENDS.        

[Rella]

Except that there are really THREE 2" cylinders.  A perfect 2"  fit at BOTH ENDS.        

3???

My 2" is perfect and needs no help 

[3 Resurrections]

Aww, come on now, having only 2 of those 2" cylinders is stingy.  Two may be better than one, but a "threefold cord is not quickly broken".  God likes the number 3.  Witness the Trinity.  And it's 3 Resurrections, not 2.  AD33, AD 70, and AD 3033; at Passover, Pentecost, and the Feast of Tabernacles respectively.  Very simple.   

[Rella]

Aww, come on now, having only 2 of those 2" cylinders is stingy.  Two may be better than one, but a "threefold cord is not quickly broken".  God likes the number 3.  Witness the Trinity.  And it's 3 Resurrections, not 2.  AD33, AD 70, and AD 3033; at Passover, Pentecost, and the Feast of Tabernacles respectively.  Very simple.   

Fair enough, but we are only considering 2 times. 70AD and  Future.

So I will apply your 3 perfect 2" cylinders to the future. 

[lea]

Rella,
You have the worst "analogy" in your post. Sorry.  Truly you have been caught in a net of tradition and cannot grow.

If you think that Daniel prophecy of Israel's end times is not fulfilled in Revelation- then your a hopeless case when it comes to "the end times!"

The scroll was to be saved for the end and John saw it open in Revelation.

This is what we mean by comparing scripture to scripture instead of trying to go outside the Bible for understanding of prophecy fulfilled.

John said it clearly that it (Rev) was a to happen soon.

The first resurrection (in the recap ch.20) was spiritual for the apostles and disciples.

There was only one resurrection at the great white throne.

Revelation concludes with the invitation to all to come and drink "the water of life freely"

So, believers continue to have and or enter the kingdom of God.

It never says the New Covenant doesn't include those after AD70.

We were included with believing Israel for salvation.

[robycop3]

  The GWT judgment hasn't yet occurred. It'll happen at the end of the millenium after Satan is freed from the abyss, & foments a final rebellion against Jesus.

  Nor is God finished with literal Israel yet. Scripture says so.

  But yes, believers are still coming into the KOG, & will, til God freezes it as per Rev. 22:11.

[lea]

  The GWT judgment hasn't yet occurred. It'll happen at the end of the millenium after Satan is freed from the abyss, & foments a final rebellion against Jesus.

  Nor is God finished with literal Israel yet. Scripture says so.

  But yes, believers are still coming into the KOG, & will, til God freezes it as per Rev. 22:11.

Yes, that's what most futurists believe.

[Rella]

Yes, that's what most futurists believe.

And why should it matter what futurists believe?

[lea]

And why should it matter what futurists believe?

You got that right!