Charlie Kirk

[Jaime]

I was always impressed with Charlie's willingness to engage with fairly radical individuals on college campuses, giving them wecome acces to a microphone to debate him. I know one Christian who said to me the other day that he sure was unkind in his debates. I was totally shocked. Every video I saw of him, he seemed extremely kind and polite to even people that were hurling snot slinging insults at him. What was your impression of him?

[Alan]

Not a fan of Kirk at all, but he was extremely well spoken and extremely educated on his subjects. He never seemed to come across as rude, but in several instances it was quite apparent that the person debating him became unhinged. 

[Red Baker]

I thought very highly Of Charlie Kirk what little I knew of him personally. Folks must remember, he was still very young and I'm sure he made some mistake, I do, and Im 77.  My wife has listened to him every day for a few years and kept me informed concerning him.  I never listened to him, had too much other things to do.

[Rella]

Well I never followed him but knew of his work... and it seemed to be on the right side of things and anyone facing other quasi-hostile young people is good....

But I took a second look ... not against him at all when they announced


He is also the CEO of Turning Point Action, and Turning Point Faith, president of Turning Point Endowment, and a member of the Council for National Policy. That's an impressive list of accomplishments for a young man only 28 years old, however there are other accomplishments much more noteworthy.

Charlie is a Christian, and in May 2021 Kirk he married Erika Frantzve, a conservative podcaster and christian businesswoman from Arizona.

According to a recent video podcast, after discovering this truth in the Bible, Charlie and his wife began keeping the Sabbath last year, and they keep it pretty seriously.

Charlie turns his phone off on Friday night and puts it in a drawer and it stays there until Sabbath is over. He also spends the time resting, reading the Bible, praying and writing. Sometimes they go for walks. He says the Sabbath day is 'restorative' and a gift to mankind.

Erika says "There is something very powerful about obedience to Christ and honoring God with the Sabbath." She continues,

"There's so much spiritual warfare is going on right now. It is palpable, you can feel it in rooms you walk into, when you're watching the news it is surrounding us and the only way to fight back is with God's Word. The only way to understand and make sense of it [life] is with God's Word and if you don't take time to literally quiet your mind from the noise of life you will be inundated. From news articles to press releases, to your friend doing something, your family member's not allowing you to come to the holidays or whatever. It's really something special to be aligned with the Sabbath and God's Word, to be able to just take the time to just breathe, cut out the noise and just be in alignment with the [Holy] Spirit and know what your role is in all of this."

Coupled with...Report: Charlie Kirk was 'this close' to becoming Catholic just prior to his death

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Charlie Kirk was reportedly very close to converting to Catholicism before his death, expressing to a bishop that he was "this close" to making the commitment. He acknowledged some disagreements with Catholic doctrine but showed respect for the faith and its traditions, particularly regarding the veneration of Mary.

and he had told this to a Bishop.

[Jaime]

I've seen a lot of his videos and was convinced he would someday be President. Though his impact after his assassination may be more than anyone could have predicted. He was definitely the most impactful voice of conservatism since Rush Limbaugh.

[Rella]

I've seen a lot of his videos and was convinced he would someday be President. Though his impact after his assassination may be more than anyone could have predicted. He was definitely the most impactful voice of conservatism since Rush Limbaugh.

You are right. Even the on talk radio station I have on in the car that had their hosts all lined up.... one has been preempted to now have the Charlie Kirk show.

[DaveW]

Never heard of him before he was killed.  I have come across many conflicting reports of who he was and what he taught. 

Many say he was racist and others deny that.  He seemed to be part of the Christian Nationalist movement which is both anti-semitic and pro white. Does anyone know for sure one way or the other?

Yes I do understand that many white supremacists are (decived) True Believers in Christ.

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

Never heard of him before he was killed.  I have come across many conflicting reports of who he was and what he taught. 

Many say he was racist and others deny that.  He seemed to be part of the Christian Nationalist movement which is both anti-semitic and pro white. Does anyone know for sure one way or the other?

Yes I do understand that many white supremacists are (decived) True Believers in Christ.

I won't claim to have known Mr. Kirk, but... he's from Arizona like me, and we did go to the same church for awhile.  When I went, it was Phoenix First Assembly, and the pastor was Tommy Barnett.  I think I may have moved on from the church before he attended (or maybe he was a child then).

I say that to say this... that church is in no way racist.  Pastor Barnett is a good man.  My mother worked in the front office of that church, and never had a bad thing to say about him.

So, I didn't know Charlie, but I know where he came up, and it leads me to think that he wasn't any kind of overt racist.

I've heard some comments of his that appear problematic.  Mostly they're statements of "us" and "them" being construed as "white" and "not white."  I think they're probably actually statements of "us who go to the big church on the hill" and "them who attend our mission church downtown."  That church has a large ministry to inner-city youth and those addicted to drugs.

[mommydi]

Like Rella, before his assassination, I only knew of him by name only, but since I've watched a few of his videos. Yes, he never appeared to answer in anger no matter what was said to him.
The people cheering his death was more than I could handle.

[Rella]

Like Rella, before his assassination, I only knew of him by name only, but since I've watched a few of his videos. Yes, he never appeared to answer in anger no matter what was said to him.
The people cheering his death was more than I could handle.

I agree.

[Jaime]

In the MANY  DEBATES i saw on video, his opponents were usually snot slinging crazed liberals screaming that he was a Nazi.

[Jaime]

I won't claim to have known Mr. Kirk, but... he's from Arizona like me, and we did go to the same church for awhile.  When I went, it was Phoenix First Assembly, and the pastor was Tommy Barnett.  I think I may have moved on from the church before he attended (or maybe he was a child then).

I say that to say this... that church is in no way racist.  Pastor Barnett is a good man.  My mother worked in the front office of that church, and never had a bad thing to say about him.

So, I didn't know Charlie, but I know where he came up, and it leads me to think that he wasn't any kind of overt racist.

I've heard some comments of his that appear problematic.  Mostly they're statements of "us" and "them" being construed as "white" and "not white."  I think they're probably actually statements of "us who go to the big church on the hill" and "them who attend our mission church downtown."  That church has a large ministry to inner-city youth and those addicted to drugs.

I have heard a lot of the comments about his supposedly tacist comments. If the context of his comments are considered, they are not racist at all. His comments were against DEI largely and these comments were usually misconstrued as racist. He was pointing out the fallacy of DEI policies and racial quotas and he was touting merit based hiring regardless of race or any other arbitery criteria. He was always very reasonable and gracious to his opponents. He sought reasoned debate, but aeldom found it. Apparently from the growth of TjrnkmgnPoint USA he had realized substantial success in convincing new followers, basically handing the youth votr in the 2024 victory to Donald Trump as opposed ro another liberal Kamala Harris. Probably just in time to delay the national rise to fame of Commie Mamdani.

[garee]

I have heard a lot of the comments about jis supposedly tacist comments. If the context of jis comments are considered, they are not racist at all. His comments were against DEI largely and these comments were usually misconstrued as racist. He was pointing oit the fallacy of DEI policies and racial quotas and he was touting merit based hiring regardless of race or any other arbitery criteria. He was always very reasonable and gracious to his opponents. He sought reasoned debate, bit aeldom found it.

I would agree Charly preached God is not a racist.

The left government does not replace of our unseen Holy Father.

Racism is sin against a righteous God . . all of dying mankind has the potential to sin.

If we do sin against each other by falsely testifying judging outward we must seek Christ's forgiveness first then our neighbor .

No forgiveness from the king of lying sign with all power to deceive. The spirit of lies the faithless god of wondering, wondering just as if God was still bring new revelations.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-10 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

 

[Jaime]

When I watched his videos, I was in awe because typically his debate opponent was usually an extremely rude liberal on the side of abortion or an atheist or agnostic. He was by far the most impactful voice since Rush Limbaugh. The claims of him being a racist are laughable and I would love for his detractors to imvestigate any context of his comments they claim are racist. The ones they oaiint to involve his illistrations centered on DEI or racial quotas. He was ALL about merit based hiring and promotions. If people listen to the media withoit lostening to his debates, he will predictably be portrayed as a Nazi racist. Surprise, Surprise, Surprise as Gomer Pyle said. Charlie had an unequaled love for challenging the woke thinking in the woke echo chambers of American colleges and universities. Those places are supposed to be strongholds of thebfree exchangenof ideas. They are anything but that, and have been for decades.

[Rella]

When I watched his videos, I was in awe because typically his debate opponent was usually an extremely rude liberal on the side of abortion or an atheist or agnostic. He was by far the most impactful voice since Rush Limbaugh. The claims of him being a racist are laughable and I would love for his detractors to imvestigate any context of his comments they claim are racist. The ones they oaiint to involve his illistrations centered on DEI or racial quotas. He was ALL about merit based hiring and promotions. If people listen to the media withoit lostening to his debates, he will predictably be portrayed as a Nazi racist. Surprise, Surprise, Surprise as Gomer Pyle said. Charlie had an unequaled love for challenging the woke thinking in the woke echo chambers of American colleges and universities. Those places are supposed to be strongholds of thebfree exchangenof ideas. They are anything but that, and have been for decades.

" He was ALL about merit based hiring and promotions."

this is where the racism charges and the DEI come into play. Same with Trump.

While I agree, and certainly want the best doctor or car mechanic I can get...it has often been said that race does play a part in qualifying people for jobs, when they have been fighting that race should not matter.

[Jaime]

But with the spectre of race quotas  I don't want to get a Ketanji Brown type  DEI hire as a lawyer or doctor or any critical service, not because Justice Ketanji Brown is black, but because she seems to be challenged in her legal expertice.

[garee]

" He was ALL about merit based hiring and promotions."

this is where the racism charges and the DEI come into play. Same with Trump.

While I agree, and certainly want the best doctor or car mechanic I can get...it has often been said that race does play a part in qualifying people for jobs, when they have been fighting that race should not matter.

The government is not in the place of God.He alone can see into the hearts of all of mankind


Racism is simply sin against God. Repentance matters.
 
All of dying mankind are born sinners the potential racists, liars Homosexuals,
etc. Sinners have taken away the sting of sin .

1 Corinthians 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.


The sting of the sin has been removed and given over to the imaginations of mankind

[Cally]

I haven't seen too much of Charlie Kirk, and I see the same thing. He was a relatively level-headed conversationalist with his opposition from what I saw.

I actually don't agree with a lot of the stances he has, either, and I'm not on his wavelength on some things. Like I have a problem with the tone he has about "get married and have a family" without a mention for how financially impossible that is for so many younger people, especially -- but that's what it takes to become a tradcon darling, unfortunately: denying the reality of the less fortunate.

However, when I saw all the glee from liberals at his death, it just shows that they don't believe in their cause. You'd want someone you think is wrong to "see the light" and repent, not lose his life.

[garee]

I haven't seen too much of Charlie Kirk, and I see the same thing. He was a relatively level-headed conversationalist with his opposition from what I saw.

I actually don't agree with a lot of the stances he has, either, and I'm not on his wavelength on some things. Like I have a problem with the tone he has about "get married and have a family" without a mention for how financially impossible that is for so many younger people, especially -- but that's what it takes to become a tradcon darling, unfortunately: denying the reality of the less fortunate.

However, when I saw all the glee from liberals at his death, it just shows that they don't believe in their cause. You'd want someone you think is wrong to "see the light" and repent, not lose his life.

They as antichrists' have another teaching authority other than the living word as it is written.

Charles defined racisms sin against God not sin against the left as if they were the judgment of God .

The left murdered the judgment of Christ our Holy Father with thier own oral tradition of dying mankind

[Rella]

I haven't seen too much of Charlie Kirk, and I see the same thing. He was a relatively level-headed conversationalist with his opposition from what I saw.

I actually don't agree with a lot of the stances he has, either, and I'm not on his wavelength on some things. Like I have a problem with the tone he has about "get married and have a family" without a mention for how financially impossible that is for so many younger people, especially -- but that's what it takes to become a tradcon darling, unfortunately: denying the reality of the less fortunate.

However, when I saw all the glee from liberals at his death, it just shows that they don't believe in their cause. You'd want someone you think is wrong to "see the light" and repent, not lose his life.

I just have a question. If finances are the problem what are so many jut living together and often having children?  Seems to me the cost would be the same... Or like my neighbors granddaughter got pregnant then they went up on a hill to dedicate themselves to each other.... IOW marriage not needed.

I believe this was what Charlie was getting at because if he told a bunch of college aged and 20 somethings top acting like husband and wife or quit shacking up there would have been riots every time he spoke.

[Cally]

I just have a question. If finances are the problem what are so many jut living together and often having children?  Seems to me the cost would be the same... Or like my neighbors granddaughter got pregnant then they went up on a hill to dedicate themselves to each other.... IOW marriage not needed.

I believe this was what Charlie was getting at because if he told a bunch of college aged and 20 somethings top acting like husband and wife or quit shacking up there would have been riots every time he spoke.

Oh sure. And of course "shacking up" versus marriage doesn't have any significant cost difference. And, I guess I could be wrong about the context, but a lot of what I heard him speak about alludes to typical tradcons' contempt for the poor because the language they always use is that being "able" to achieve financial success is simply a given; in other words, it's only because you chose to be poor.

In what little I've seen, that's what I got out of his tone: all you have to do is DECIDE to want marriage and children, as if financial barriers aren't in between millions and millions of people in younger generations that make it possible.

By all means, falsify my claims if anything he said acknowledges ANY reality of the less fortunate, but my impression of him is, his denial of the realities of the less fortunate are a prerequisite for being a voice for conservatives.

[Texas Conservative]

I haven't seen too much of Charlie Kirk, and I see the same thing. He was a relatively level-headed conversationalist with his opposition from what I saw.

I actually don't agree with a lot of the stances he has, either, and I'm not on his wavelength on some things. Like I have a problem with the tone he has about "get married and have a family" without a mention for how financially impossible that is for so many younger people, especially -- but that's what it takes to become a tradcon darling, unfortunately: denying the reality of the less fortunate.

However, when I saw all the glee from liberals at his death, it just shows that they don't believe in their cause. You'd want someone you think is wrong to "see the light" and repent, not lose his life.

You seem to be pushing gen Z/liberal talking points.  You can still get married and have kids.  Almost no one can "afford" kids.  I have three.  By the time it took where I could really "afford" them, they are adults. 

My parents are boomers.  They were poorer than me. 

[Texas Conservative]

Oh sure. And of course "shacking up" versus marriage doesn't have any significant cost difference. And, I guess I could be wrong about the context, but a lot of what I heard him speak about alludes to typical tradcons' contempt for the poor because the language they always use is that being "able" to achieve financial success is simply a given; in other words, it's only because you chose to be poor.

In what little I've seen, that's what I got out of his tone: all you have to do is DECIDE to want marriage and children, as if financial barriers aren't in between millions and millions of people in younger generations that make it possible.

By all means, falsify my claims if anything he said acknowledges ANY reality of the less fortunate, but my impression of him is, his denial of the realities of the less fortunate are a prerequisite for being a voice for conservatives.

Shacking up vs getting married can have significant cost difference.  Both pro and con.  That is just not an accurate statement in the slightest

[Jaime]

You seem to be pushing gen Z/liberal talking points.  You can still get married and have kids.  Almost no one can "afford" kids.  I have three.  By the time it took where I could really "afford" them, they are adults. 

My parents are boomers.  They were poorer than me. 

In my case, if I waited until i could afford to get married and especially to have kids, I would have have missed out on a lot of blessings that had nothing to do with financial stability. I always thought one MUST get married and have kids while they are young and stupid, because if you wait until you have some sense, you will be too old. Not a hard and fast rule, but looking BACK, it did seem to fit me. I can only actually speak for me. My family's happiest days were the most financially challenging by far! My one bit of advice, if I can be so bold to call it that is, don't over think it. I was probably guilty of some of that. My wife of 53 years, we dated for 4-1/2 years ( never broke up) and my sister's best friend for 3 more years, was much more of a free spirit. When we first got married, her family and mine were cotton farming sharecroppers, ie they owned no land, but farmed other people's land. Her mother and my mother got married at 15 and both dad's were barely 20. Neither family had much, but we were happy. God probably laughs at our "plans" and blesses us in spite of ourselves. Good news is grandkids are our reward, I am richly blessed to have 4, 1 will be married in January, 2 others probably will be in a couple of years and the youngest will graduate from College in 3 years. Other than that, Kathi and I are blessed to be able to be retired, which by the way I never dreamed it would be possible, but God has blessed us with just enough. I would have preferred a much more "secure" retirement, but life happens and before you know it, we will be just a faded memory to some, but what a ride!