Greenland

[Amo]

So what should the US do about Greenland? A military takeover would be a sure sign of an increasingly aggressive nation over and above one seeking to protect the freedoms its founding principles represent the world over. At the same time, other nations far less hospitable to such freedoms and liberties are vying for more control and influence in this region so close to us. Europe itself is growing increasingly evil as well, as its leaders ever increasingly betray the interests of their citizens, to the agenda of unelected globalist tyrants seeking to establish themselves above all others.

We already know and have experienced their plans to penalize and deconstruct the greatness of our nation unto our capitulation to their usurped power as well. Destroying our liberties and subjecting the entire nation to globalist, elitist, tyrannical control over and above our model of government for and by the people. The strategic and natural resource importance will be of great benefit to whoever either ends up with control and or better cooperation from the Danes concerning such. Which the globalists will unquestionably use against the US unto the capitulation they seek from our government to the usurped authority they continually seek to establish over all.

What say ye?

[mommydi]

At first I was against it but the more I discovered about the situation, the more I'm for it. If we don't take it, China or Russia takes it. Simple as that.

I'm not really sure what the people of Greenland are saying about it. I've seen a few Greenlanders say they're for it if they can get free healthcare from us.
Not that it matters in this situation, but from the stats, Greenlanders have a severe problem with alcoholism and depression.

Oh, and another thing-
Since the Democrats are against it, that's a good reason to be for it.

[Amo]

I just hope we can work out something mutually beneficial for Greenland and ourselves, in order to establish a dominant presence in the region without militarily taking it over. So we don't end up with our main competitors gaining leverage over us so close by.

We are having enough problems from ignorant and or delusional people from within, to have to deal with similar and ever encroaching forces from without, ever increasingly near by. The assault upon the founding principles of our nation from within and without are of biblical proportions, and in fact a matter of biblical prophecy. To the effect that when we fall, the end of this world will be very near.

Gen 11:1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. 2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there. 3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter. 4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. 5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. 6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. 7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. 8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. 9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

The global unification of truth and error, and right and wrong so very many seek to establish, will spell the end of this world altogether.

Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. 8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

[The Barbarian]

Neither China nor Russia would be inclined to take on NATO.   Russia's military has proven unable to even subdue Ukraine; it would be a disaster to face Denmark and all the NATO nations that would defend it.   And China depends on the EU for its economy.   China would have no interest at all in taking Greenland.

[Amo]

That is not to mention the hundreds of billions of dollars and other military aid Ukraine received from the US. I wonder how things would have turned out without all of such.

[The Barbarian]

That is not to mention the hundreds of billions of dollars and other military aid Ukraine received from the US. I wonder how things would have turned out without all of such.

They would have lost without aid from the U.S. and the E.U.  It's still astonishing that the Russian military can't even defeat Ukraine, which hasn't got the military capability of Sweden.

[Amo]

https://theowp.org/reports/greenlands-pursuit-of-independence-implications-for-china-greenland-relations-and-arctic-resource-management/

Quoted material below from link above, article written in June of 2024.

Greenland's Pursuit Of Independence: Implications For China-Greenland Relations And Arctic Resource Management

Recognized as an Arctic country, the autonomous country of Greenland has been a part of the Kingdom of Denmark since 1721. However, Denmark is only a part of the Arctic through Greenland and has created policies for Greenland in the past. Greenland's new Foreign, Security, and Defense Strategy for 2024 – 2033, titled 'Greenland in the World – Nothing about us without us,' is not only a way to update policies, but also a way for Greenland to be more independent. In shifting away from Denmark, Greenland hopes to pursue greater independence, as well as take control over its resources and decision-making processes. This transition raises questions about the potential impact on resource management in Greenland, particularly considering the interest from external actors like China in resource exploration................

As soon as Greenland gained the right to develop its resources in 2009, China became involved with Greenland's geostrategic location and abundance of hydrocarbon and mineral deposits. China's rapid economic growth is one reason for its exploration into Greenland. China is often seen as one of the few states that can execute the necessary investment. In 2023, China's overseas investment reached 264.5 billion in United States dollars. China fears being excluded from future economic and scientific opportunities, therefore it looks towards the Arctic to find new economic opportunities. China is not geographically positioned in the Arctic, so the Arctic is one area where it remains at a disadvantage; however, China became a part of the Arctic Council as an observer state in 2013. Due to the restrictions on China's involvement in the Arctic Council, over time, China may pursue alterations to existing governance to align with its interests. If Greenland gains full control over all its resources and decision-making processes, China will only become more interested in Greenland and its resources.

According to 'Greenland in the World – Nothing about us without us,' Greenland's resource management goals include increasing environmental regulations, strengthening the control of potential resources, and tightening safety requirements in the territorial waters after extending their jurisdiction from three to twelve nautical miles. Considering China was eager to work with Greenland immediately after they gained some jurisdiction over some of their resources, even though Greenland intends to preserve the world's biodiversity and environmental sustainability, doing so while maintaining social sustainability could be a challenge without income from increased resource extraction. Because China will already be prepared to increase its exploration into the Arctic resources and Greenland has to meet their economic development needs, strengthening collaboration between the two nations is highly anticipated.

Currently, China has been involved in multiple mining and icebreaking projects in Greenland, each with consequences. The Large Scale Project Act granted Greenland the authority to recruit foreign workers, which created concerns regarding the potential destabilization of the region due to an influx of Chinese workers. China's rare earth project attracted controversy as developed countries sought to counter China's dominance over the rare earths market. Greenland seems to be blinded by the goal of political autonomy from Denmark, and China has been able to gain a monopoly over the rare earth elements found in Greenland. The Arctic Yearbook analyzed the different possible drivers behind Chinese engagement in zinc mining and rare earth element mining projects in Greenland. Their conclusions suggested that "Chinese involvement in R.E.E. [rare earth elements] projects abroad are more likely to be driven by China's interest in the strategic resource itself, whereas decisions of where to engage in zinc projects are more likely to be determined by China's foreign policy priorities." China has strategic goals that can be reached through the extraction of Greenland's resources.

Even though cooperation with China moves Greenland closer to independence, once Greenland gains that independence, China will be able to increase their investments and more resources will be extracted. Resource over-extraction could be devastating for Greenland because it risks depleting its natural assets beyond sustainable levels, leading to irreversible environmental damage, including loss of biodiversity and disruption of ecosystems.

'Greenland in the World – Nothing about us without us' highlights the hope for increasing partnership along with environmental sustainability. Partnerships with China based on past collaborations solely meant that China would extract minerals or break ice to reach new resources. It does not seem possible that further partnerships will not change the current situation regarding environmental sustainability. Additionally, over-reliance on resource extraction can lead to a lack of diversification, making the economy vulnerable. Greenlandic culture is rooted in hunting and fishing traditions. Resource extraction as the primary economic driver may hinder the development of alternative sustainable industries, leaving Greenland vulnerable to economic instability in the long term. Greenland's desire for independence challenges its determination to maintain a traditional livelihood and culture. By looking at past mining projects, and the Large Scale Project Act, labor exploitation could become a bigger problem when China's prevalence in the region increases. Cultural differences between Chinese mining workers in Greenland and the local people can create social problems; for example, in the public report "Chinese Workers—in Greenland," it was estimated that the I.S.U.A. project might need 5,000 Chinese workers while the population of Nuuk only has 17,000 residents. Moreover, Kenty Dubois from the Polar Connection claimed that "the increase of foreigners can be perceived as a threat to Greenlandic identity [as the island's population would have to give up its traditional activities to a certain extent]."

Greenland's recent Foreign, Security, and Defense Strategy ultimately expresses Greenland's hope for sovereignty. However, the subjects focused on throughout the strategy are contradictory. Environmental preservation is crucial for Greenland's long-term well-being and sustainable development, but trying to find a balance between maintaining a traditional livelihood with goals of protecting biodiversity seems near impossible when also trying to grow international relationships, especially with China.

[Amo]

They would have lost without aid from the U.S. and the E.U.  It's still astonishing that the Russian military can't even defeat Ukraine, which hasn't got the military capability of Sweden.

Have they lost? Is it over?

[The Barbarian]

Have they lost?

More to the point, they have been unable to win.  The flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet has been sunk by a nation that doesn't even have a navy.   Putin had to pull 1950s tanks out of museums because the Ukrainians took out so many of the new ones. For the first time since WWII, a foreign army occupied part of the Russian nation.  It's a major embarrassment.

[The Barbarian]

Greenland's Pursuit Of Independence: Implications For China-Greenland Relations And Arctic Resource Management

That's a dummy organization, invented by Donald Trump.  Why would anyone be surprised that it's parroting his bulster?

[Amo]

That's a dummy organization, invented by Donald Trump.  Why would anyone be surprised that it's parroting his bulster?

https://www.arctictoday.com/greenland-leaders-head-to-china-seeking-greater-chinese-involvement-in-their-nations-economy/

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/459125-why-greenland-is-really-about-china/

https://thediplomat.com/2019/02/china-steps-up-its-mining-interests-in-greenland/

https://www.diis.dk/en/research/chinese-investments-in-greenland

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46386867

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/12/18/how-greenlands-mineral-wealth-made-it-a-geopolitical-battleground/

https://www.wita.org/atp-research/china-in-greenland-companies-governments-and-hidden-intentions/

https://www.wsj.com/world/chinas-rare-earths-quest-upends-greenlands-government-11617807839

https://thediplomat.com/2018/03/the-many-roles-of-greenland-in-chinas-developing-arctic-policy/

https://polarconnection.org/security-china-greenland-relations/

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-45005-2_7

https://www.wita.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/China_in_Greenland.pdf

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-greenland-gold-rush-promise-and-pitfalls-of-greenlands-energy-and-mineral-resources/

So, all these articles from several years ago, are what?

[The Barbarian]

So, all these articles from several years ago, are what?

China is unable to project a significant naval force into the Arctic to threaten Greenland.   More significant is Chinese economic involvement.  But China has economic involvement (for example) in Africa, without threatening African nations.

[The Barbarian]

I'm not really sure what the people of Greenland are saying about it. I've seen a few Greenlanders say they're for it if they can get free healthcare from us.

They already have it. Like most of Europe, healthcare is public and free to all residents.
https://movegreenland.com/life-healthcare-in-greenland/
 

[mommydi]

They already have it. Like most of Europe, healthcare is public and free to all residents.
https://movegreenland.com/life-healthcare-in-greenland/
 

The UK doesn't have free healthcare. It's paid for by taxation, and still doesn't cover everything.
This will soon be a moot point anyway. With advancements in AI, within 10 years, primary care doctors and most specialists will be out of work. Not long after that, robots will be conducting most surgeries. Imagine being in medical school right now, coming out owing a tremendous amount on student loans, only to have AI and robots take your job right after graduation. People are already using AI for diagnosis and treatment plans. Doctors are already using it. Within a decade, people will use AI for all healthcare diagnosis and advice - and soon thereafter, robots to stitch up their leg or set their broken arm.
In the past month, I had chatgpt design landscaping for my new home, specific for my location and even soil conditions. It even provided a schedule and locations where I could purchase the items needed.
The future belongs to AI and robots. Scary.

[Rella]

The UK doesn't have free healthcare. It's paid for by taxation, and still doesn't cover everything.
This will soon be a moot point anyway. With advancements in AI, within 10 years, primary care doctors and most specialists will be out of work. Not long after that, robots will be conducting most surgeries. Imagine being in medical school right now, coming out owing a tremendous amount on student loans, only to have AI and robots take your job right after graduation. People are already using AI for diagnosis and treatment plans. Doctors are already using it. Within a decade, people will use AI for all healthcare diagnosis and advice - and soon thereafter, robots to stitch up their leg or set their broken arm.
In the past month, I had chatgpt design landscaping for my new home, specific for my location and even soil conditions. It even provided a schedule and locations where I could purchase the items needed.
The future belongs to AI and robots. Scary.

We are living to see George Orwell's "1984" come to life.

And that novel had been published in 1949.

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

The UK doesn't have free healthcare. It's paid for by taxation, and still doesn't cover everything.
This will soon be a moot point anyway. With advancements in AI, within 10 years, primary care doctors and most specialists will be out of work. Not long after that, robots will be conducting most surgeries. Imagine being in medical school right now, coming out owing a tremendous amount on student loans, only to have AI and robots take your job right after graduation. People are already using AI for diagnosis and treatment plans. Doctors are already using it. Within a decade, people will use AI for all healthcare diagnosis and advice - and soon thereafter, robots to stitch up their leg or set their broken arm.
In the past month, I had chatgpt design landscaping for my new home, specific for my location and even soil conditions. It even provided a schedule and locations where I could purchase the items needed.
The future belongs to AI and robots. Scary.

Scary, but... doctors have been somewhere between sub-optimal and downright-terrible for 2000 years.  This is probably a good thing.

[mommydi]

Scary, but... doctors have been somewhere between sub-optimal and downright-terrible for 2000 years.  This is probably a good thing.

You don't know how much I agree with you!