What happens at the end when Christ comes, from scripture only..

[Hobie]

Well many people pick up and give all kinds of unsupported ideas, or false doctrines such as the 'secret rapture' or seven year tribulation . . . So what does scripture say events of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. We have to see what scripture tells us about Christs Second Coming, and understand how and what will occur which false christs and charlatans will not be able to do or recreate, which doctrines such as the 'secret rapture' and others open up and are just diversions for true christians. People will be confronts by turmoil and then someone comes and tells them the seven years are over and they are 'the christ' or that the rapture has happened with no evidence needed as it is a twisting of scripture and present themselves as a the 'messiah' at Jerusalem and urge people to come worship him. Scripture shows us what the true events of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ will be, if we search and see what scripture says, the Holy Spirit can do its work in guiding to truth. The return of Christ or His second coming to this earth is the event that will finally release the people of God from evil, and scripture outlines it for us. So what does it say of how Christ will return:

And when He had spoken these things, while they beheld, He was taken up; and a cloud received Him out of their sight. And while they were looking steadfastly toward Heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; which also said, 'Ye men of Galilee; why stand ye gazing up into Heaven? This same Jesus which is taken up from you into Heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen Him go into Heaven'.Acts 1:9-l l.

In the Clouds Together With His Angels:

Jesus was taken up into heaven by a cloud, and He will return in the clouds. The clouds refer to the angels of God that surround Him as can be seen in Hebrew parallelism.

The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels; the Lord is among them, as is Sinai, in the holy place. Psalm 68:17

...who maketh the clouds his chariots; who walketh upon the wings of the wind. Psalm 104:3

Jesus Himself promised that He would return with the clouds (the angels).

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven; and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.Matthew 24:30

...the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from Heaven with His mighty angels. 2 Thessalonians 1:7

When the Son of man shall come in His glory and all the holy angels with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory.Matthew 25:31

The glory of Christ's coming surpasses anything we can imagine. He will return in the glory of His angels, and that of the Godhead:

...when He shall come in His own glory, and in His Father's and of the holy angels. Luke 9:26

The Second Coming Will be Universally Visible:

Behold He cometh with clouds, and every eye shall see Him... Revelation 1:7

Christ warned against false comings of Christ that would not be universally visible.

Wherefore, if they shall say unto you, Behold he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers, believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east and shineth even unto the west, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.Matthew 24:26,27

...they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of Heaven with power and great glory. Matthew 24:30

The Second Coming Will be Audible:

And he shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of Heaven to the other.Matthew 24:31

The Lord Himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout and the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God... I Thessalonians 4:16

The Lord Will Not Come Down to the Earth, But Will Await the Redeemed in the Sky:

For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God. And the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so shall we ever be with the Lord.1 Thessalonians 4:16,17

The Saints will be gathered together by angels and taken up into the air to meet the Lord in the sky. This is not a secret rapture as some believe.

And He will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. Matthew 24:31

At the second coming, Christ calls forth the dead and sends forth His angels to gather the elect, and together they meet Him in the air. Christ Himself does not come down to the earth - His feet do not touch the earth. His command to His angels is:

Gather my saints together unto me, those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.Psalm 50:5

So if we study and see what scripture tells us about Christs Second Coming, and understand how and what will occur, Satan will not be able to fool us not matter what he tries, and we will be prepared for Christ.

[Hobie]

Some people say there is a secret rapture or rapture of some people,  but for what purpose? If Christ is coming for all the saints at the second coming, what is a 'secret rapture or rapture' for, and if no one knows about it, then anyone can says its going on and all other kinds of issues come up. If a religious number of people go missing is that the rapture, or if someone comes and says the rapture has happened because he knows of a reduction in people or group in a certain country, is that the rapture. As you can see, Satan has all kind of oppurtunities open to him to deceive, trick, and bring 'false christs' with all kinds of wonders or come himself and show enough tricks to fool people, and the doctrine of the rapture opens up this avenue, and many sadly will fall for it......

It is a false doctrine, made up by those who hate the truth,  that has no reason or purpose as Christ will not come or take the saints in secret, every eye will see him with His host of angels at the Second Coming...

[Hobie]

There is no secret rapture in the scriptures, its a terrible hoax and false doctrine that has been made up to confuse people as to the end time events, to turn from clear teaching of the second coming so Satan can put himself here or there after a so called 7 years and use his abilities of signs and wonders to fool people at the end. According to those teaching the secret rapture theory, the coming of Jesus will be in two separate stages. The first will be a secret rapture of the Church at the beginning of a 7 year tribulation period followed by a return of Christ to the Earth. They believe that during this seven year period the Antichrist is going to come into power and God will select and seal 144,000 literal Jews who will take the Gospel to the whole world converting immeasurable souls to Christ. Then literal Israel accepts the Lord as the Messiah and enters with Him as His covenant people into the 1,000 year (millennial) reign on earth known as the Kingdom Age, which has already been shown not to be on earth in a previous thread.

They preach that Christ will rule directly over the earth from Jerusalem, where the typical temple services function again. Those who ultimately reject Christ's rule are eventually judged and destroyed at the end of the Millennium. The new believers will then receive immortality and eternity will begin.

Problem is the scripture nowhere speaks of these two separate comings and the word "rapture

[daq]

Yeshua opened the way into kingdom of heaven with the commencement of his ministry. The kingdom of heaven is the same as the kingdom of the Theou and or the kingdom of the Father.

The Kingdom Age began at Shavout-Pentecost in Acts 2 ~
From that day forward it is unto each in his appointed times:

Luke 19:11 KJV
11. And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should (GSN#3195 mello) immediately (GSN#3916 para-chrema) appear.

Original Strong's Ref. #3195
Romanized  mello
Pronounced mel'-lo
a strengthened form of GSN3199 (through the idea of expectation); to attend, i.e. be about to be, do, or suffer something (of persons or things, especially events; in the sense of purpose, duty, necessity, probability, possibility, or hesitation):
KJV--about, after that, be (almost), (that which is, things, + which was for) to come, intend, was to (be), mean, mind, be at the point, (be) ready, + return, shall (begin), (which, that) should (after, afterwards, hereafter) tarry, which was for, will, would, be yet.

Original Strong's Ref. #3916
Romanized  parachrema
Pronounced par-akh-ray'-mah
from GSN3844 and GSN5536 (in its original sense); at the thing itself, i.e. instantly:
KJV--forthwith, immediately, presently, straightway, soon.

Original Strong's Ref. #5536
Romanized  chrema
Pronounced khray'-mah
something useful or needed, i.e. wealth, price:
KJV--money, riches.

"And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of the Theou was about to appear full-riches-wealth-fatness"...

They thought the kingdom of YHWH would appear ALL AT ONCE.
They were INCORRECT.

Luke 19:11-28 KJV
11. And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should (GSN#3195 mello) immediately (GSN#3916 para-chrema) appear.
12. He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
13. And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
14. But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
15. And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
16. Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.
17. And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
18. And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
19. And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.
20. And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:
21. For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.
22. And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:
23. Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?
24. And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.
25. (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.)
26. For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.
27. But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
28. And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem.

1) The Kingdom Age begins at Pentecost in Acts 2 ~
2) Each servant is then called up individually, each in his own appointed time as the Parable shows, for an accounting and for rewards.

[larry2]

This is what Hobie thinks of most of us.

• unsupported ideas
• false doctrines such as the rapture
• false doctrines such as seven year tribulation
• charlatans will not be able to do or recreate
• secret rapture
• just diversions for true Christians
• a twisting of scripture

Now a look at Hobie's doctrine.

In the Clouds Together With His Angels -
The clouds refer to the angels of God that surround Him as can be seen in Hebrew parallelism

...the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from Heaven with His mighty angels. 2 Thessalonians 1:7[/size]

1 Thessalonians 4:14. ". . . Even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him." And these are to be angels?

Just what is an angel to you? Who do you think Jesus' angel is?
 
Hebrews 12:1  "Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses . . " Who are these and where in heaven do we see them as John writes his report of things hereafter?

[lecoop]

"So what does scripture say events of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ"?

14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

1But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Does this look like "every eye will see Him?" I read "IN THE CLOUDS." Sorry, but we cannot see through clouds. Jesus is HIDDEN from the earth.  But yet it IS a "coming." Does He plant His feet on the mountain? Not in THIS coming: here He is in the clouds, and the destination is HEAVEN. Yet this IS a "coming." Notice verse 15: "Unto the COMING." But this is NOT a coming riding on a white Horse, and coming to fight the battle of Armageddon.

So there will be a COMING for the catching away, and 7 years later there will be a coming where EVERY EYE sees Him. This is SCRIPTURAL TRUTH.

Paul goes on to give us the TIMING. He places his catching away as the TRIGGER for the day of the Lord. They are back to back events. The Day cannot come until the catching  away, exactly what Paul teaches in 2 Thes 2. 

At the catching away, a SUDDENLY, there are two groups of people with TWO different results:  those in the darkness get SUDDEN DESTRUCTION while those in the light get "salvation" via rapture, and get to "live together with Him."

Those caught in the sudden destruction, a world wide earthquake, will also then see the sun turn dark and the moon into blood, and they KNOW it is the start of the Day of the Lord. They hide in caves and cry for the rocks to fall on them. They know His wrath is beginning. They know it is THE DAY of His wrath.  Yet from this point, it will be 7 long years plus before Jesus returns WITH US on white horses. Between these two comings we find 7 trumpet judgments plus 7 vials of God's wrath.

This is not difficult, folks, but you will have to BELIEVE what is written.

Coop

[Hobie]

Well the order of events according to Scripture is very clear; there is Christ's second coming, the resurrection, the catching up of the saints to meet Jesus in the air which all take place at the same time and at the end of the world. This is why Jesus said in Matthew 28:20 "...and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.

[Hobie]

Now lets put together the verses to show what happens at the end when Christ comes and show is is not secret, its not a rapture, and it is across all the earth and even above it. There are many things that happen, let's start with the heavens and earth.


Psa. 68:8 The EARTH SHOOK, THE HEAVENS ALSO DROPPED at the presence of God: [even] Sinai itself [was moved] at the presence of God, the God of Israel.

Isa. 51:6 Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the HEAVENS SHALL VANISH AWAY like smoke, and THE EARTH SHALL WAX OLD LIKE A GARMENT, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished

2Pet. 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the HEAVENS BEING ON FIRE SHALL BE DISSOLVED, and the ELEMENTS SHALL MELT WITH FERVENT HEAT?

Isa. 64:1 Oh that thou wouldest REND THE HEAVENS, that thou wouldest come down, that the MOUNTAINS MIGHT FLOW DOWN at thy presence,

Jer. 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place [was] A WILDERNESS, and ALL THE CITIES thereof were BROKEN DOWN AT THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD, [and] by his fierce anger.

Nah. 1:5 The MOUNTAINS QUAKE at him, and the HILLS MELT, and the EARTH is BURNED at HIS PRESENCE, yea, the WORLD, and all that dwell therein.

Eze. 38:20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the EARTH, and all the men that [are] upon the face of the EARTH, shall SHAKE at MY PRESENCE, and the MOUNTAINS SHALL BE THROWN DOWN, and the STEEP PLACES SHALL FALL, and EVERY WALL SHALL FALL to the ground.

Psa. 97:5 The HILLS MELTED LIKE WAX at the PRESENCE OF THE LORD, at the PRESENCE OF THE LORD of the WHOLE EARTH.

Psa. 114:7 TREMBLE, thou EARTH, at the PRESENCE OF THE LORD, at the presence of the God of Jacob;

2Pet. 3:10 But the DAY OF THE LORD will come as a thief in the night; in the which THE HEAVENS SHALL PASS AWAY with a great noise, and the ELEMENTS SHALL MELT with FERVENT HEAT, the EARTH also and the works that are therein SHALL BE BURNED UP.

Isa. 40:4 Every valley shall be exalted, and every MOUNTAIN AND HILL SHALL BE MADE LOW: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:

Luke 3:5 Every valley shall be filled, and every MOUNTAIN AND HILL SHALL BE BROUGHT LOW; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways [shall be] made smooth;

Job 9:6 Which SHAKETH THE EARTH OUT OF HER PLACE, and the pillars thereof TREMBLE.

Isa. 13:13 Therefore I will SHAKE THE HEAVENS, and the EARTH SHALL REMOVE OUT OF HER PLACE, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

Joel 3:16 The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH SHALL SHAKE: but the LORD [will be] the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

Isa. 34:4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and THE HEAVENS SHALL BE ROLLED TOGETHER as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling [fig] from the fig tree.

Isa. 45:8 DROP DOWN, YE HEAVENS, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.

Joel 2:10 The EARTH SHALL QUAKE before them; THE HEAVENS SHALL TREMBLE: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

Hag. 2:6 For thus saith the LORD of hosts; Yet once, it [is] a little while, and I will SHAKE THE HEAVENS, and THE EARTH, and the sea, and the dry [land];

[Hobie]

Now lets look at what happens to the saints.

John 11:52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should GATHER TOGETHER IN ONE THE CHILDREN OF GOD that were scattered abroad.

Mat. 24:31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall GATHERED TOGETHER HIS ELECT from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mat. 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but GATHER THE WHEAT INTO MY BARN.

Isa. 49:18 Lift up thine eyes round about, and behold: all these GATHER THEMSELVES TOGETHER, [and] COME TO THEE. [As] I LIVE, saith the LORD, thou shalt surely clothe thee with them all, as with an ornament, and bind them [on thee], as a bride [doeth].

Mark 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Psa. 50:5 GATHER MY SAINTS TOGETHER UNTO ME; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.

Isa. 60:4 Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all THEY GATHER THEMSELVES TOGETHER, THEY COME TO THEE: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side.

Jer. 4:5 Declare ye in Judah, and publish in Jerusalem; and say, Blow ye the trumpet in the land: cry, GATHER TOGETHER, and say, ASSEMBLE YOURSELVES, and let us go into the defenced cities.

Jer. 31:8 Behold, I WILL bring them from the north country, and GATHER THEM FROM THE COASTS OF THE EARTH, and with them the blind and the lame, the woman with child and her that travaileth with child together: a great company shall return thither.

Mic. 2:12 I WILL SURELY ASSEMBLE, O Jacob, all of thee; I WILL SURELY GATHER THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL; I will put them together as the sheep of Bozrah, as the flock in the midst of their fold: they shall make great noise by reason of the multitude of men.

Isa. 43:5-6 Fear not: for I am with thee: I WILL BRING THY SEED from the east, AND GATHER THEE from the west; I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters FROM THE ENDS OF THE EARTH;

Psa. 107:3 And GATHERED THEM OUT OF THE LANDS, from the east, and from the west, from the north, and from the south.

1Thes. 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS, TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

[Hobie]

Then at what happens to the wicked when Christ comes at the Second Coming.

Rev. 20:2-3 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and BOUND HIM A THOUSAND YEARS, And CAST HIM into the bottomless pit, and SHUT HIM UP, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, TILL THE THOUSAND YEARS SHOULD BE FULFILLED: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Isa. 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall DESTROY the sinners thereof OUT OF IT.

Rev. 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the DEAD, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest DESTROY THEM which destroy the earth.

Lam. 2:22 Thou hast called as in a solemn day my terrors round about, so that in the day of the LORD'S anger NONE ESCAPED NOR REMAINED: those that I have swaddled and brought up hath mine enemy consumed.

Jer. 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, [there was] NO MAN, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

1Thes. 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden DESTRUCTION cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and THEY SHALL NOT ESCAPE.

Zep. 1:18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD'S wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the FIRE of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy RIDDANCE OF ALL THEM THAT DWELL in the land.

Nah. 1:5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is BURNED at his presence, yea, the world, and ALL THAT DWELL THEREIN.

2Thes. 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall CONSUME with the spirit of his mouth, and shall DESTROY with the brightness of his coming:

Rev. 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should SMITE the nations

Mal. 4:1 For, behold, THE DAY COMETH, THAT SHALL BURN AS AN OVEN; and all the proud, yea, and ALL THAT DO WICKEDLY, SHALL BE STUBBLE: AND THE DAY THAT COMETH SHALL BURN THEM UP, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

Rev. 19:21 And the remnant were SLAIN with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which [sword] proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Mat. 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and SEVER THE WICKED from among the just,

Isa. 51:6 Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and THEY THAT DWELL THEREIN SHALL DIE in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished

Mat. 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and BIND THEM INTO BUNDLES TO BURN THEM: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Rev. 20:5 But the rest of the DEAD LIVED NOT AGAIN UNTIL THE THOUSAND YEARS WERE FINISHED. This [is] the first resurrection.

It is not a 'Secret Rapture' in any way shape or form, everyone on earth will see Christ at the Second Coming, and will either be taken up or look for a rock to fall on them to die or one to hide under as they realize their fate, and the truth of Gods Word playing out before their very eyes....

[lecoop]

Well the order of events according to Scripture is very clear; there is Christ's second coming, the resurrection, the catching up of the saints to meet Jesus in the air which all take place at the same time and at the end of the world. This is why Jesus said in Matthew 28:20 "...and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.

[larry2]

Due to all the move notices of Preterist threads,
this post is bumped to bring back to the front pages.

[Hobie]

"So what does scripture say events of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ"?

14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

 15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

1But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

 2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

 3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Does this look like "every eye will see Him?" I read "IN THE CLOUDS." Sorry, but we cannot see through clouds. Jesus is HIDDEN from the earth.  But yet it IS a "coming." Does He plant His feet on the mountain? Not in THIS coming: here He is in the clouds, and the destination is HEAVEN. Yet this IS a "coming." Notice verse 15: "Unto the COMING." But this is NOT a coming riding on a white Horse, and coming to fight the battle of Armageddon.

So there will be a COMING for the catching away, and 7 years later there will be a coming where EVERY EYE sees Him. This is SCRIPTURAL TRUTH.

Paul goes on to give us the TIMING. He places his catching away as the TRIGGER for the day of the Lord. They are back to back events. The Day cannot come until the catching  away, exactly what Paul teaches in 2 Thes 2. 

At the catching away, a SUDDENLY, there are two groups of people with TWO different results:  those in the darkness get SUDDEN DESTRUCTION while those in the light get "salvation" via rapture, and get to "live together with Him."

Those caught in the sudden destruction, a world wide earthquake, will also then see the sun turn dark and the moon into blood, and they KNOW it is the start of the Day of the Lord. They hide in caves and cry for the rocks to fall on them. They know His wrath is beginning. They know it is THE DAY of His wrath.  Yet from this point, it will be 7 long years plus before Jesus returns WITH US on white horses. Between these two comings we find 7 trumpet judgments plus 7 vials of God's wrath.

This is not difficult, folks, but you will have to BELIEVE what is written.

Coop

Revelation 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.