can women preach?

[Bonnie]

Well, Larry2, I have read a lot of your post about Phoebe in other accounts of her life as a Christian woman.  It's highly debatable what her role in church matters was.  She no doubt was carrying a letter from Paul to the Romans in the book of Romans. What else if anything she did while there isn't written about.
Why didn't Paul recognize her as an apostle or preacher the way he did Andronicus and Junia? The answer is clear to me because she wasn't.
He asked them to salute many other workers for Christ as well as each other with a holy kiss.  Let there be love and unity among them in other words.

[Bonnie]

The scripture you mention about there is neither male or female... has already been addressed in this thread.
When rightly dividing the Word of Truth, yes you must consider the entire Word.  When trying to apply that scripture as meaning a woman is no different than a man, you take it out of context... considering what Paul has already written about the subject.

[DaveW]

I see the line from the above quote from 1 Tim to be that a woman is to not usurp authority and teaching is one way of doing that. But if she is teaching in conjunction with her husband, there is no violation because she is not usurping his authority.

We see Priscilla and Aquilla several times mentioned as teaching together.  And we see Paul mention Andronicus and Junia, calling them apostles, another married couple.

So I see no biblical issue with a woman teaching and preaching in conjunction with her husband.

[Beta]

I see the line from the above quote from 1 Tim to be that a woman is to not usurp authority and teaching is one way of doing that. But if she is teaching in conjunction with her husband, there is no violation because she is not usurping his authority.

We see Priscilla and Aquilla several times mentioned as teaching together.  And we see Paul mention Andronicus and Junia, calling them apostles, another married couple.

So I see no biblical issue with a woman teaching and preaching in conjunction with her husband.

Balance and unity is what it's all about.
There is to be no division in the Church of God...no matter who is speaking..
male or female, Jew or Gentile. 

[daq]

Jesus is the husband of his bride(church) If we believe that we are one with God, then when we speak within the church it is the husband(Jesus) who speaks through us isn't it? The church is the body of believers and not an actual building.(where three are gathered in my name, there am I also--church?) As christians we are no longer an "I" but a we, with Jesus as the head. God has no respect of persons and can, will and does speak through whom he choses regardless of race, sex or color. Isn't women submit to their husbands an example that all the bride submit to God? Eve was created for Adam as the bride is for the husband.
No respect of persons---Romans 2:11--Colossians 3:11 and 3:25--**Galatians 3:28--Ephesians 6:9--1 Peter 1:17--Genesis 1:27
If everyone is responsible for themselves (own sins) and there is no respect of persons according to God. Then shouldn't all who know the truth be sharing their faith. (preaching and teaching)--There were prophetesses--(higher rank than preacher and teacher) 1 Corinthians--12:28 --and this is a list according to rank.
I know that it says both things in the New Testament--but it's always one person that has said both things--(Paul)--Why?

Hi Huldah (2 Kings 22:14 and 2 Chronicles 34:22 ?)  

If you truly desire to understand then you should know that this entire premise begins on the wrong footing, sort of speak, because you are not technically the bride of Christ: the bride of Christ is the Daughter of Zion. Thus all of the arguments back and forth will go nowhere because it all comes down to whether a female is married or not. And this is because the two become ONE FLESH in the eyes of YHWH. And the N/T perspective of Paul under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, (which is in strict adherence to the Spirit of Torah) carefully and meticulously observes these facts.

Matthew 21:4-5 KJV
4. All this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying,
5. Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass.

Zechariah 9:9 KJV
9. Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

John 3:27-29 KJV
27. John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
28. Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.
29. He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.

The Bride was given Yeshua from above, from heaven, from the Father. The Father gave the Bride, the Daughter of Zion, to the Son. On the day Yeshua rode into Jerusalem, which was Palm Sunday, he already had the Bride given him from above and she is New Jerusalem, the New Covenant, and the Daughter of Zion-Jerusalem.

Luke 12:35-44 KJV
35. Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning;
36. And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.
37. Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
38. And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
39. And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.
40. Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.
41. Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?
42. And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?
43. Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
44. Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.



Unwed females are to eventually become SONS (neither male nor female) at "Bat-Mitzvah" into the Kingdom of Heaven. However, a "woman" is one who is wed to a man and no longer "exists" as an individual, (technically speaking) because she is become one flesh with her husband according to the commandment, and the husband is the head.

Peace-Shalom
In Yeshua

[ByHisGrace07]

26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, -identity established by culture or race

there is neither slave nor free, identity established by class/economic status

there is neither male nor female; identity established by sex (gender)

Culture, race, class, economic status, and sex- These are the things that bring about division. These are things that "those of the world" find their identity in. But we as "God's children have been called out of the world and set apart.
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As the new man, according to the new nature we now bear, we are in Christ. He is our identity. That is what it means to be a Christian, to be in Christ.

for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:26-28 (NKJV)

Therefore, if we are in Christ then there should be no division amongst us regarding such things. Amen.

[makahiya]

Your logic is faulty. Your theology is invalid.


KJV 1Ti 2:12  But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

KJV 1Ti 2:13  For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

KJV 1Ti 2:14  And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

KJV 1Co 14:34  Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

KJV 1Co 14:35  And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

KJV 1Co 14:36  What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

KJV 1Co 14:37  If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.