They which be accounted worthy .... neither marry or are given in marriage

[MeMyself]

Then why did Jesus say....

26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Seems to me, people were making their earthly marriages equal to or greater than their spiritual ones.

Well, thats fine. You can see things the way you want to.  And, of course you see things in a way that finds fault with what everyone else is/was doing.

No, I just mentioned what Jesus said. And you try to blame me for it.

What?  I did no such thing! I said you saw it the way you did.  Didn't blame you a bit.

Just apply what He said to yourself without trying to accuse others of bringing it up. That would be honourable, what you just did, is not.

LOL!  yeah...I'm the one posting in dishonorable ways.  Projection.

So lets go over what Jesus said, I repeat what Jesus said...

Yes he demanded that his disciples put him FIRST over everything else. Forsake all and become His missionaries to the end of the world and to the ends of their lives (hopefully)

And they did give up wifes in that process, forsaking them for the kingdom of God.

But it can also be shown that Peter was married, and then after being with the Lord for 3.5 years got back together with her. So apparrently she also must have become a 'disciple' and had already put the Lord first by forsaking her husband and THEN the Lord gave her back her husband.

ALWAYS PUT THE LORD FIRST, I didn;t say it Jesus said it, if you complain, complain to HIM not to me. Thanks

Putting HIM first, will eleviate almost all marital problems. Both have to put HIM first

No problem with that.  I DO have problems with you claiming marriage isn't a high priority to God! ETA: If you are married, its a priority to cultivate and keep it healthy and thriving. 

Being single is a blessing to for those who are called to it.  God equips and calls those that remain so, IMO.

[chosenone]

But the Lord directly said

25 And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them,

26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

... And wifes are on Jesus' list. So maybe earthly marriages are not the top priority with the Lord and His service

So why is satan working so hard to destroy marriages, especially Christian ones? Why is he trying to distort godly marriage between a man and a woman by saying that its ok for 2 men or 2 women to marry? He knows how important it is.
Marriage is supposed to be a picture of Gods relationship to the church, and as such is very important to Him. A godly marriage is an example to non believers of what it is that God desires. In any society, as soon as the institution of marriage broke down, so did society.

AS I said before, why do you see the two things as exclusive? For me, being a good wife and mum (and Grannie)is my main ministry on earth that God has given me. Why would he want me not to do that to the best of my ability? Marriage is very important to Him, and we worship God and put him first by being good husbands or wives and parents. God is on the side of marriage. He is FOR marriage.

[chosenone]

But the Lord directly said

25 And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them,

26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

... And wifes are on Jesus' list. So maybe earthly marriages are not the top priority with the Lord and His service

Well he uses so many husband and wife teams in His work and ministry.

Do you have a conflict in your own life between loving God and loving you wife??? I have never had a conflict with the two.
God tells you to love your wife as Jesus loves the church, a pretty tall order, and one which shows the importance of marriage to Him.

[chosenone]

Then why did Jesus say....

26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Seems to me, people were making their earthly marriages equal to or greater than their spiritual ones.

Well, thats fine. You can see things the way you want to.  And, of course you see things in a way that finds fault with what everyone else is/was doing.

No, I just mentioned what Jesus said. And you try to blame me for it.

Just apply what He said to yourself without trying to accuse others of bringing it up. That would be honourable, what you just did, is not.

So lets go over what Jesus said, I repeat what Jesus said...

Yes he demanded that his disciples put him FIRST over everything else. Forsake all and become His missionaries to the end of the world and to the ends of their lives (hopefully)

And they did give up wifes in that process, forsaking them for the kingdom of God.

But it can also be shown that Peter was married, and then after being with the Lord for 3.5 years got back together with her. So apparrently she also must have become a 'disciple' and had already put the Lord first by forsaking her husband and THEN the Lord gave her back her husband.

ALWAYS PUT THE LORD FIRST, I didn;t say it Jesus said it, if you complain, complain to HIM not to me. Thanks

Putting HIM first, will eleviate almost all marital problems. Both have to put HIM first

How do you know they gave up their wives? Just because they were travelling a lot of the time, doesn't mean they weren't still married. Like soldiers of today who are away for months at a time are still married to their wives.

[Davidjayjordan]

What did Jesus say Choosenone, did He mean itt, did He expect them to choose between Him and them... come on answer the question.

You have to put HIM first to follow HIM. Plain and simple. You can not equate your love of wife, family and kids to HIS LOVE. Jesus said so, you can not evade it.

You can live nicely loving husband and kids etc etc... and be a follower of the Lord, but Jesus said, we have to forsake all, meaning all to be his disciple.

Should I repost again what Jesus said...

Buty whatever you choose to forsake if your choice and you shall be rewarded accordingly by HIM, but it better that you not tell people that their worldly marriages are equal to their marriage to the Lord in my opinion. The BRIDEGROOM might not be to happy if you do so.

[chosenone]

What did Jesus say Choosenone, did He mean itt, did He expect them to choose between Him and them... come on answer the question.

You have to put HIM first to follow HIM. Plain and simple. You can not equate your love of wife, family and kids to HIS LOVE. Jesus said so, you can not evade it.

You can live nicely loving husband and kids etc etc... and be a follower of the Lord, but Jesus said, we have to forsake all, meaning all to be his disciple.

Should I repost again what Jesus said...

Buty whatever you choose to forsake if your choice and you shall be rewarded accordingly by HIM, but it better that you not tell people that their worldly marriages are equal to their marriage to the Lord in my opinion. The BRIDEGROOM might not be to happy if you do so.

For you in your own marriage, what is it that conflicts between your love for the Lord and you love for you wife? I have never found anything that conflicts. I love my husband as unto the Lord. The love I have for him is a different sort of love than the love I have for God my Father. Just as the love I have for my husband is a different sort of love than the love I have for my children, or for my friends. You cant possibly compare them, and they are not in competition with each other.

Now if I had a bad husband who wanted me to do things that weren't godly and that were forbidden by God, of course I would have to obey God first, but that has never happened. 

If I was a muslim women married to a muslim man and I got saved, then of course I may well loose my husband and family , and I believe that whats God meant by that passage, that we need to be prepared to choose if it came to that point, but for those of us with godly spouses,  why would that ever arise?

When people are married God nearly always uses them together in ministry. They are a team, they are one, and they function so much better together that as two separate people. 

[Davidjayjordan]

Individuals have to put the Lord FIRST, if they marry, they still have to put the Lord's marriage FIRST. No difference. This is why the Lord said it so many times and places. Our earthly marriages are subordinate to our heavenly one to Jesus, if we are to serve Him to the maximum.

The disciples forsook their wives, and children even though I can;t recall an instance from the gospels or acts, but Jesus said so, so it has to have happened. Jesus comes FIRST, our HUSBAND comes first, and I don;t know anywhere where He said, our earthly husbands are equal to HIM.

But what people do is what people do. Its their choice.

[chosenone]

Individuals have to put the Lord FIRST, if they marry, they still have to put the Lord's marriage FIRST. No difference. This is why the Lord said it so many times and places. Our earthly marriages are subordinate to our heavenly one to Jesus, if we are to serve Him to the maximum.

The disciples forsook their wives, and children even though I can;t recall an instance from the gospels or acts, but Jesus said so, so it has to have happened. Jesus comes FIRST, our HUSBAND comes first, and I don;t know anywhere where He said, our earthly husbands are equal to HIM.

But what people do is what people do. Its their choice.

No one has said they are equal to God have they? Just that for those with godly spouses there is no need to ever have a conflict between our marriage and God, because God is FOR marriage.

[Davidjayjordan]

Agreed ONLY when that worldly marriage is subservient to His greater realtionship with us. Our marriage to HIM comes FIRST, Agreed ?

He is our Lord and Master and Husband, we are married to HIM FIRST and FOREMOST. Agreed ?

[chosenone]

Agreed ONLY when that worldly marriage is subservient to His greater realtionship with us. Our marriage to HIM comes FIRST, Agreed ?

He is our Lord and Master and Husband, we are married to HIM FIRST and FOREMOST. Agreed ?

We as the church are the bride of Christ. 

I am Gods child not his bride. He is my father.
However, yes, we do need to put God first, its just that I have never had any need to choose in my marriage between my husband and God because they are on the same side.

Have you?

[Davidjayjordan]

I like everyone else follow the exact same principles the Lord laid down. No difference, as no one is special and different, all those that love the Lord are deemed His Bride.

He is our Bridegroom, we are not mere children but adults who must choose HIM, and you surely have Chosenone. You are one of the Brides of Christ because you love HIM.

Need we post all the verses that say so. Jesus is suppose to be our first LOVE, first love as in FIRST LOVE. He will have no other gods before HIM.

We are to put HIM FIRST

[chosenone]

So why is God called our Father and we are called His children? it is Jesus who will come again and collect his bride the church.

Have you had any reason to have to choose your marriage or God? .

[Davidjayjordan]

Chosenone, I find it hard to believe that you dont know about the long established relationship of Bride and Bridegroom, our marriage to JESUS, the Bridegroom.... because this is a Christian Marriage Forum.

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But this concept of us being wed to Jesus is not some deep dark secretive mysterious interpretation or translation, but a repeated principle that is said over and over again in scriptures, that only the blind can miss.

Its obvious, its blatant, its common sense. if we love the Lord, we would be wed to HIM and with HIM. This is how and why we are ONE with HIM. So read, slowly and surely through this beginning 54th Chapter of Isaiah, and solidify this truth deep in your heart and mind.

Isaiah 54
1Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail
with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD.
2Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen
thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes;
3For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make
the desolate cities to be inhabited.
4Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for
thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.
5For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel;
The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
6For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast
refused, saith thy God.
7For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.
8In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee
saith the LORD thy Redeemer.

This is the woman in the wilderness of Revelation called the Bride of Christ

Revelation 12
1And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet,
and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:    .........
6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her
there a thousand two hundred and threescore days

These are the 3 and 1/2 years of Great Tribulation when we shall be gathered
together before the Lord takes us His Bride to the heavenlies.

Mathew 24
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her
light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn,
and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from
the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

This is the 7th trumpet, and it calls His Bride of all ages to His Wedding Feast, the wedding Feast of the Lamb. It is not shake hands, side hugs, asexual get together of church people, but a whole hearted, whole souled, sexual wedding ceremony for those that are not luke warm and apathetic but have the fire of the Lord's love and passion in their veins. Its for those that truly love the LORD their God, with all their heart and all their soul, and all their mind.

Revelation 19
7Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
9And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

The Lamb of God is JESUS ! And we are the multiple Bride of the Lord, the 144,000 that have gone ALL the way with Him and have not truned back. We make it to the 7th Trump and are called the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, who is marrying us. This is why He came to get us. This is why the Lord so painstakingly repeated the parables about the virgins while He was HERE.

Matthew 25
1Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to
meet the bridegroom. ......
10And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage:
and the door was shut.

Jesus is the Bridegroom, and we are His Bride if we have His Spirit in our hearts. But the Lord has more than ten virgin wives, as His virgins number 144,000. They are not Jewish but Christian men and women that love Him with all their hearts, and serve Him with all their mind and bodies....and go all the way with Him.

I mean even Paul knew we were to be married to the Lord....

2 Corinthians 11:2
For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband (Jesus), that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.


                           Proceed to PART TWO and conclusion of 'We are married to Jesus'

[Davidjayjordan]

We are the 'Bride of Christ'
Therefore whether in the New Testament or Old Testament, both testify that 'we are to be married to the Lord' if we love HIM with all our hearts, soul, mind and body.

Hosea 2:20- 25

I will even betroth thee unto me in faithfulness: and thou shalt know the LORD And it shall come to pass in that day, I will hear, saith the LORD, I will hear the heavens, and they shall hear the earth; And the earth shall hear the corn, and the wine, and the oil; and they shall hear Jezreel.

And I will sow her unto me in the Earth; (Yes, the Lord shall graphically and literally love us in the Earth, here on Earth)

And I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, (Again the Lord calls out His people who were not a nation but scattered throughout the world in all nations of the Earth, and gathers together His Bride into One Fold)

Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God. (And we shall be the Bride of Christ if we love Him with all our heart and He has mercy on us.)

Love in the Bridegroom ... Jesus

David

[p.progress]

We are the 'Bride of Christ'
Therefore whether in the New Testament or Old Testament, both testify that 'we are to be married to the Lord' if we love HIM with all our hearts, soul, mind and body.

Hosea 2:20- 25

I will even betroth thee unto me in faithfulness: and thou shalt know the LORD And it shall come to pass in that day, I will hear, saith the LORD, I will hear the heavens, and they shall hear the earth; And the earth shall hear the corn, and the wine, and the oil; and they shall hear Jezreel.

And I will sow her unto me in the Earth; (Yes, the Lord shall graphically and literally love us in the Earth, here on Earth)

And I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, (Again the Lord calls out His people who were not a nation but scattered throughout the world in all nations of the Earth, and gathers together His Bride into One Fold)

Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God. (And we shall be the Bride of Christ if we love Him with all our heart and He has mercy on us.)

Love in the Bridegroom ... Jesus

David

The Ekklesia, is "betrothed" [or as is now commonly referred to in this culture: 'engaged']; it is not yet "the bride". That comes later.


As for the expressions: "...marrying and given in marriage":
"Marrying" refers to a man "taking" a woman - that is another man's daughter (his neighbors daughter) "to wife".

And "given in marriage" specifically refers to the father of the woman willingly "giving" his daughter to a man (his neighbor) to become a/his wife. If he [her father] does give her to him, then the man, is free to both take her and go into her. It is then that they become "one flesh"...she becomes his wife (in the fullest sense).

In contrast, if the father/guardian is not willing to give his daughter/charge "to wife" - to become a  wife of any man who desires to take her as a wife. Then such a man is not not free to do so. To attempt to do so would serve only to brand such a man as a transgressor and violator of the Law; that by breaking a number of God's commandments laid out in the Decalog. Thus such so-called 'marriages' are wholly unacceptable certainly in the eyes of God, if not in the eyes of men.

This is why Christ said that the man who puts away (i.e. divorces) his wife (the wife of his youth and covenant), to 'marry another' (say, 'newer model'), is guilty of committing adultery...and why the so-called 'innocent' wife is guilty of adultery, if she marries another after her hard-hearted husband puts her away/divorces her...and why the man who marries such a wife (many refer to as an 'ex-wife') is judged as guilty of committing adultery as well. All are guilty of doing so, because the so-called 'marriage' (erroneously called today as 're-marriage') may be 'legal' in every respect before men; but is by no means judged as lawful or deemed acceptable in the eyes of God.

Christ certainly acknowledged the fact that men regarded such relationships as acceptable, using the language of men (i.e. the term 'marriage'). That is why he states it as he does "Whosoever puts away his wife...and marries another, commits adultery..."

Are such married? Yes. By who? Who grants them legal status? Men...civil entities. But can they create one flesh husband and wife relationships between men and women? No. That only God creates. They can only draw up legal contracts; they can only create legal entities; establish legal corporations and partnerships. It requires Divine intervention and authority to join "the twain" together, so that they "become one flesh".


In addition to this. diligent searching of the scriptural record and study of the evidence once discovered therein, show that contrary to popular opinion (i.e. the widespread misconception), there is no requirement (nor need, as we understand the word) to 'marry'. For God to create the "one flesh" husband and wife relationship between the "twain", what counts is what he says/teaches in and through the scriptures. And what he requires is very simple and straightforward to understand, if you exercise some due diligence in searching the scriptures to discover what his will and ways are in the matter.

In my studied opinion, all that scripture lays out and teaches in this area, as far as what God actually requires is as follows: Both the man and woman must be lawfully at liberty to become man and wife. If they are, then they may do so. But only if and when the father (or rightful guardian, if there is one) of the woman is willing to "give her" to the man to become his wife.

Let me add here, that contrary to popular opinion (i.e. the widespread misconception), there is no (scriptural) need/requirement for any ceremony to be performed; nor any (scriptural) requirement for any religious figure to 'officiate' (utter pronouncements) in some ceremony; there is no requirement for other witnesses; nor any requirement before God to apply for or obtain a license or certificate from a civil entity. All that is essential is asking for and willing being 'given' as one's wife, a daughter by her father/guardian. The rest is window dressing and (pun intended) 'icing on the' proverbial 'cake'.

And the "one flesh" relationship lasts not into eternity, but till death - hence, it is called a 'one flesh' husband and wife relationship, not a 'one spirit' relationship.

The husband is to yield and allow the Lord to transform his life (through spiritual metamorphosis) into one who follows the commands and instructions given to him as a man and as a husband, to better serve his wife. The same is true for the wife with respect to the specific set of commands given to her in her role as woman and now wife.

Both are commanded to love one another. But not to 'love' their spouses in any inordinate way that would demand of them to subjugate their loyalty, reverence, love and obedience to Christ, under the 'rule' or demands of a earthly wife or husband.

In comparison, Christ uses the expression of hate to make the point how preeminently great and far above one's devotion, loyalty and love for the Lord is to be for him, as opposed to the great love, devotion and loyalty one is to develop and show for one's earthly spouse. 

p.p

[chosenone]

PP we will have to agreed to disagree on much of what you said, as it usually the case.

However I agree with the last 2 points.

[Davidjayjordan]

Yes, lots of words, but when you get down to the question...

Yes absolutely

Both are commanded to love one another. But not to 'love' their spouses in any inordinate way that would demand of them to subjugate their loyalty, reverence, love and obedience to Christ, under the 'rule' or demands of a earthly wife or husband.

In comparison, Christ uses the expression of hate to make the point how preeminently great and far above one's devotion, loyalty and love for the Lord is to be for him, as opposed to the great love, devotion and loyalty one is to develop and show for one's earthly spouse. 


Our earthly marriages are inferior to our spiritual marriage to the Lord. It has to be subjugated. Jesus comes FIRST, and our relationship to Him is not equal to or superceeded by our worldly marriage. This thread is confirmed

[chosenone]

Yes, lots of words, but when you get down to the question...

Yes absolutely

Both are commanded to love one another. But not to 'love' their spouses in any inordinate way that would demand of them to subjugate their loyalty, reverence, love and obedience to Christ, under the 'rule' or demands of a earthly wife or husband.

In comparison, Christ uses the expression of hate to make the point how preeminently great and far above one's devotion, loyalty and love for the Lord is to be for him, as opposed to the great love, devotion and loyalty one is to develop and show for one's earthly spouse. 


Our earthly marriages are inferior to our spiritual marriage to the Lord. It has to be subjugated. Jesus comes FIRST, and our relationship to Him is not equal to or superceeded by our worldly marriage. This thread is confirmed

Do you ever have a conflict between your marriage and your relationship with God? What do you mean by our marriages have to be subjugated? What instances have you had where you have had to obey God and subjugate your marriage?

As I see it, the fact that my husband and I are both Gods children(yes He is our Father) only helps the marriage thrive. God is for marriage, and he wants them to thrive. My main ministry under Him is to be a good wife and mum. He gave me my husband and children to look after.

[BlackSheep]

"My main ministry under Him is to be a good wife and mum. He gave me my husband and children to look after."

I think the cart is before the horse here, chosenone.

1. The "main" ministry of all of God's lawful children whether single or married is to glorify God himself through a life lived in obedience to God. The result of this will bring each one on in the process of sanctification into a mature man in Christ; that they may be "conformed" into the image of Christ, which will have a positive effect on the individual, and affect all human relations.

2. To settle for being a "good wife" falls short of God's design of the higher purpose of a virtuous woman (Proverbs 31). See also: Titus 2:4-8, Eph. 5:22-24, I Pet. 3:1-6

3. It is God who gives the woman to the man as wife (Gen. 2:21-25) directly as shown by this verse; then we see this principle carried on through the father giving his daughter to a man. It is a man who takes a wife. There is no scriptural proof that God gives a man to a woman.

4. God gives to the man "his" children through the wife. Gen. 16:1, 18:19, 30:1, 30:26, 37:3; Exo. 21:4, Lev. 24:54, (Num. 8:17 may be the founding principle of children born to man, not to the wife).

[Davidjayjordan]

Jesus comes FIRST and will not settle for SECOND.

[chosenone]

"My main ministry under Him is to be a good wife and mum. He gave me my husband and children to look after."

I think the cart is before the horse here, chosenone.

1. The "main" ministry of all of God's lawful children whether single or married is to glorify God himself through a life lived in obedience to God. The result of this will bring each one on in the process of sanctification into a mature man in Christ; that they may be "conformed" into the image of Christ, which will have a positive effect on the individual, and affect all human relations.

2. To settle for being a "good wife" falls short of God's design of the higher purpose of a virtuous woman (Proverbs 31). See also: Titus 2:4-8, Eph. 5:22-24, I Pet. 3:1-6

3. It is God who gives the woman to the man as wife (Gen. 2:21-25) directly as shown by this verse; then we see this principle carried on through the father giving his daughter to a man. It is a man who takes a wife. There is no scriptural proof that God gives a man to a woman.

4. God gives to the man "his" children through the wife. Gen. 16:1, 18:19, 30:1, 30:26, 37:3; Exo. 21:4, Lev. 24:54, (Num. 8:17 may be the founding principle of children born to man, not to the wife).

My first earthly ministry, that God has given me to do, is to be a good wife and mother. The Bible gives clear instructions that say it is what a wife and mother need to do, and how to do it. That is the ministry He has given me.
He has also has given me  gifts that He uses, and other jobs to do which I also do. As he leads me in the future I will do other things. I will do what He leads me to do. That's is how I put Him first and  serve Him, by following the path that He leads me on, and staying close to Him.
We have had some amazing words recently of what God is going to do through us as a couple, and Its very exciting. As I serve My Father I also serve my husband. As I keep saying, there is no contradiction if you are both following God.

I keep asking David where he finds any contradictions in his life, as I have never found any. I would be interested to know.   

[MeMyself]

My first earthly ministry, that God has given me to do, is to be a good wife and mother. The Bible gives clear instructions that say it is what a wife and mother need to do, and how to do it. That is the ministry He has given me.

Me too, Chosen!  I love the mission field of my home and family.  I get so irritated when people try and diminish its importance...it is a ministry God sewed into my heart from the time I was a little girl and I do my best to glorify Him in it. I love the calling He has given me! (and I am always so thankful when I find others that are called to the same field)

He has also has given me  gifts that He uses, and other jobs to do which I also do. As he leads me in the future I will do other things. I will do what He leads me to do. That's is how I put Him first and  serve Him, by following the path that He leads me on, and staying close to Him.
We have had some amazing words recently of what God is going to do through us as a couple, and Its very exciting. As I serve My Father I also serve my husband. As I keep saying, there is no contradiction if you are both following God.

I keep asking David where he finds any contradictions in his life, as I have never found any. I would be interested to know.   

Amen

[Davidjayjordan]

Jesus did not say, Go into your home and hide out, and preach the gospel to every member of your family, give up nothing and just say you have given all, and become nationalistic and patriotic to your home country and pretend your home and country and family and service to the Lord are one.

Lets see what Jesus said... and meant and expects of those that truly love HIM

GO YE INTO ALL THE WORLD AND PREACH THE GOSPEL TO EVERY CREATURE.... EVERY NATIONALITY EVERY RELIGION EVERY GENDER,...... EVERY AGE.

I and we can not change the intent of what Jesus said because we want to stay home and be in a comfortable lifestyle

[Nevertheless]

David, you're very good at tossing out accusations and very bad at answering direct questions. I had thought perhaps it was a language problem, but now I am convinced it's a personality problem.

[Davidjayjordan]

David, you're very good at tossing out accusations and very bad at answering direct questions. I had thought perhaps it was a language problem, but now I am convinced it's a personality problem.

This is an objective thread not a personal one against me. Therefore do post accordingly Thanks

And a very MERRY CHRISTMAS to you, and your Family.

Love in Jesus

David

[chosenone]

Jesus did not say, Go into your home and hide out, and preach the gospel to every member of your family, give up nothing and just say you have given all, and become nationalistic and patriotic to your home country and pretend your home and country and family and service to the Lord are one.

Lets see what Jesus said... and meant and expects of those that truly love HIM

GO YE INTO ALL THE WORLD AND PREACH THE GOSPEL TO EVERY CREATURE.... EVERY NATIONALITY EVERY RELIGION EVERY GENDER,...... EVERY AGE.

I and we can not change the intent of what Jesus said because we want to stay home and be in a comfortable lifestyle

Nor did anyone here say that either. As usual you are putting words into peoples mouths and discrediting those who are living for their Lord Jesus in their life and area they live in. You constantly go on about being 'nationalistic and patriotic' about our own countries, when NO ONE had ever mentioned their own country in that way. You appear obsessed about it actually.

We are not all called to me missionaries and go to other countries, but we can be a light for him in our own families and neighbourhoods and work places in the country that He has chose to place us. Those around us need Jesus do you not agree? Most people are converted through friends and neighbours and family members who have shown Jesus to them, and not through someone from another country who tries to speak to them on the street.

So yes, I will continue to do what God leads me to do in the area that I live in until he shows me differently. We all have unsaved neighbours and friends and family members who need Jesus. There is much need for Jesus in our own countries.

[chosenone]

David, you're very good at tossing out accusations and very bad at answering direct questions. I had thought perhaps it was a language problem, but now I am convinced it's a personality problem.

This is an objective thread not a personal one against me. Therefore do post accordingly Thanks

And a very MERRY CHRISTMAS to you, and your Family.

Love in Jesus

David

However Never is 100% right. You refuse to answer simple questions which for a believer should be extremely easy, and yet you constantly judge others here, and make untrue and misleading statements about them that have no basis in reality. They are all in your mind.

[Davidjayjordan]

I answer all objective questions concerning the topic, that Jesus warned us about not putting our marriages before our marriage with HIM.

Now what do you want to know.

Personal questions are not part of the topic, although this is what you always concentrate on.

Jesus wants to be FIRST not second or third.

If confirmed we can move on, but you fight it tooth and nail

[MeMyself]

Jesus did not say, Go into your home and hide out, and preach the gospel to every member of your family, give up nothing

LOL!  Give up nothing!  That is a joke right?  You have no clue and no right to make this disgusting arrogant comment against those He has called to build and raise up a godly family for Him!  You have no idea the sacrifice it is to give up everything for the sake of the call of raising godly children.

and just say you have given all, and become nationalistic and patriotic to your home country and pretend your home and country and family and service to the Lord are one.

If you understood one word of scripture, you would understand that EVERYTHING we do is for the glory of the Lord!

Lets see what Jesus said... and meant and expects of those that truly love HIM

GO YE INTO ALL THE WORLD AND PREACH THE GOSPEL TO EVERY CREATURE.... EVERY NATIONALITY EVERY RELIGION EVERY GENDER,...... EVERY AGE.

I and we can not change the intent of what Jesus said because we want to stay home and be in a comfortable lifestyle

Sickening!  I have had it with people deciding that ministering to the children God has blessed a home with isn't enough...they are too simple minded to understand we minister to their friends, their friends family, their teammates, their coaches, the ripple effect of dedicating a life to raising up of godly children expands even further when they grow up and leave the home.  They then become ministers in their environment and a godly parent teams with them in prayer.

ALSO, when my nest is empty, God will give me a new call!  I will finally have time to pursue other ministries with the passion and abandon He called my heart to raising my family!