Let's consider ALL the aspects of humanity...

[JohnDB70X7]

Life after death, what form?  ...is there soul sleep? is there a hell? or is it a quick burn up in the lake of fire (annihilation)?

People tend to isolate one aspect of human existence and apply it to all as the solution the Bible supports. But we are a triune entity.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 (NKJV)
23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Spirits do not die or lose consciousness.
Bodies die, lose consciousness, appear to sleep, degrade into dust.
Souls cease to exist when the spirit and the body are separated. It is a buffer between the two realities (spirit and physical).



So there is a part of you in death that continues consciously elsewhere. Part of you sleeps by all appearances. Knows nothing. Decays and returns to dust. Part of you in death ceases to exist.

2 Corinthians 5:1-8 (NKJV)
1 For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven,
3 if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked.
4 For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life.
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
6 So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord.
7 For we walk by faith, not by sight.
8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

[JohnDB70X7]

Before the cross, all human dead went to the grave (sheol) in their spirits.

Sheol is divided in three... the place of the promise (Abraham's Bosom), and hades / hell the place of the condemned... separated by the abyss where the fallen angels are imprisoned who left their first estate (possessed a human or animal).



Since the cross Abraham's Bosom is empty. Their judgment took place on the cross of Christ. And Ephesians 4:8-9 and 1 Peter 3:18-20 indicate Jesus took those in the side of promise to heaven (disembodied).

The general resurrection will take place at the end of time so that every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father (Philippians 2:9-11). Believers will be changed into spirit bodies and be with the Lord forever. The condemned will be thrown into the lake of fire.

Revelation 20:11-15 (NKJV)
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

Ezekiel 28:18 (NKJV)
18 "You defiled your sanctuaries By the multitude of your iniquities, By the iniquity of your trading; Therefore I brought fire from your midst; It devoured you, And I turned you to ashes upon the earth In the sight of all who saw you.

Malachi 4:3 (NKJV)
3 You shall trample the wicked, For they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet On the day that I do this," Says the Lord of hosts.

The bodies of the condemned will be consumed in the fire but their spirits will live on as all spirits do.

Revelation 14:11 (NKJV)
11 "And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

Remember, the lake of fire (hell) was created for the devil and his followers (all spirits) where does one put a spirit forever to get rid of it?

Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 "Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

[Bitter Sweet]

I know there is a part in the bible that says the wicked will be forgotten. I think there is partial if not all memory loss as well. Some will awaken to eternal life while others to eternal shame. I think it's good that we forget because some of us won't survive and I'd rather not remember the family members and other people lost along the way. I don't think we will remember anything from our lives. I think that's a humane way for God to do it.

[willieH]

willieH:  Hi JohnDB... 

Life after death, what form?

There is no living person that can SPECULATE as to the "life" that follows this present experience.  We can only rest upon what the WORD of YHVH God gives us... and either place our FAITH in what is stated in and BY the WORD... or not.  The WORD clearly notes several things to men... but MOST of those things are IGNORED by those who read the WORD.

...is there soul sleep?

"Soul sleep" is a teaching which has been INVENTED by men.  There is no such thing spoken of in the WORD... and therefore it is NOT a teaching of it.


The WORD clearly notes that when one DIES... he/she is no longer part of, not experiences TIME (that which is "done under the sun"):


Ecc 9:5-6  -- 5 For the LIVING ...KNOW... that they shall DIE; but he ...DEAD KNOW NOT ANY THING, neither have they any more a reward for the memory of them is forgotten... 6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in anything DONE UNDER THE SUN


Also, concerning the NEGATIVE teachings which MEN have invented (in imposing FEAR instead of LOVE to his/her neighbor)... GOD clearly says in His WORD (without regard to any man, OR his life):


Eccl 7:1 -- "a GOOD name is better than precious ointment, and the DAY of DEATH... [BETTER] than the DAY of one's BIRTH" --


Ecc 7:8 -- "BETTER is the END of a thing than the BEGINNING thereof, and the patient in Spirit, BETTER than the proud in Spirit" -- so whatever follows this experience (within TIME) in ANYONES case is therefore "BETTER" than this one.

is there a hell?

NO... and the MAJORITY of translators of the Bible agree that such a term is NOT a valid translation of ANY Hebrew or Greek word, as it does not appear even ONCE in the MAJORITY of most of available English translations,  and outside of the KJV, does not appear in the Old Testament AT ALL in ANY other translation.

or is it a quick burn up in the lake of fire (annihilation)?

"Annhilation" is another UNBIBLICAL term... It does not appear in the WORD and is NOT a teaching of it.   Also... THIS realm IS the Lake of FIRE (a symbolic NOT "literal" reference) into which ALL have been cast, as well as DEATH and the GRAVE (HADES) -- Rev 20:14

People tend to isolate one aspect of human existence and apply it to all as the solution the Bible supports. But we are a triune entity.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 (NKJV)
23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

No offense intended to you John, ...but to advocate that men are "triune", in an attempt to compare said (false) teaching that GOD is "triune" (UNBIBLICAL term)... is laughable. 


To begin with, ...GOD is SINGULAR, not a "trio"...  Christianity has invented the idea that GOD is 3 persons, which is UNSPOKEN in the WORD.  And then attempt is made to transfer this to himself...  which is easily proven to be fallible.


Are there THREE persons" (made in this "triune" = 3 person image) that ARE you --- and that shall get together and decide on behalf of "JohnDB", that which you shall say in answer to my post to you?   Your "body" being one person, ...Your "soul" being another entirely different person,  ...Your "spirit" being as well, another entirely different person... which - via a "committee" comprised of the 3 of you, shall answer me, John?


There is no mention of God being "triune" in the WORD...  but there IS SPECIFIC mention (by YHVH God) that YHVH God ALONE is God, with NO other "gods' beside Him ------->  Isaiah 43:11 -- Isaiah 45:21-22 -- Isaiah 45:5 -- Isaiah 45:14 -- Isaiah 45:18 -- Ex 20:1-13 -- How many times must this be REPEATED by Him before "TRINITY" (Unbiblical term) believers forsake their invention of GOD as being in THEIR image (body - soul - spirit), instead of BELIEVING His own WORDS which SAY OTHERWISE?   What part of His (not their) SINGULAR references to Himself (I, ME, Him, He, etc) found THROUGHOUT the Scriptures, ...is so hard to comprehend / understand?


If I were to tell you that ...I... think your observation is awry, do you therefore deduce that THREE of us (willieH) have "insulted" the THREE of you (JohnDB)?   


That MEN have a body, soul and spirit... just notes 3 observable aspects to our existence... but myriads of other aspects can be added to those...   Man is a digesting creature because he has a mouth and stomach / Man is a visible creature because he can see / Man is an audible creature because he can hear /  Man is a gender specific creature because he/she has a gender /  Man is a thinking creature because he has a brain /  Man is an immoral creature because he transgresses that which is right /  Man is a limited creature because he is finite /  ...the list is literally endless.

Spirits do not die or lose consciousness.

Really?  On what do you base this, John?  Please give Scriptural references that (without adding any information to them), specifically teach this?

Bodies die, lose consciousness, appear to sleep, degrade into dust.
Souls cease to exist when the spirit and the body are separated. It is a buffer between the two realities (spirit and physical).

Again, ...during my studies I have not found this as a teaching of the WORD... I would appreciate you providing a Scriptural outline that supports this.... (that "souls cease to exist" when the spirit and body are separated)...  Nor does the Bible teach (that I have found to date), that the "soul" is a "buffer" between "two realities".

So there is a part of you in death that continues consciously elsewhere. Part of you sleeps by all appearances. Knows nothing. Decays and returns to dust. Part of you in death ceases to exist.

2 Corinthians 5:1-8 (NKJV)
1 For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven,
3 if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked.
4 For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life.
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
6 So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord.
7 For we walk by faith, not by sight.
8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

Thanks for providing this verse...  I have a different observation of it's communication...


In the above Scripture, it notes a "house" referred to as "ETERNAL" in the Heavens" -- which designation, requires that said "house" be WITHOUT limitation.  Anything that is noted to be "ETERNAL" (such as our "house in the Heavens") is devoid of the parameters of beginning and/or end. 


It is also worthy to note that verse one notes that our Earthly existence (according to the NIV translation which ADDS the word "TENT" which is NOT in the original text)...  is suggesting that the Earthly is TEMPORARY (has beginning & end, extremely limited in duration -- James 4:14)  ...as compared to the ETERNAL which is CONTINUOUS (no beginning or end, unlimited in duration).  (btw...  The word translated into " house" in both places within this passage, simply suggest a residence, or abode, there is no word "TENT" in the original text)


When the Creation was brought forth -- Job 38:7 --  "...ALL the SONS of God shouted for Joy" -- I believe the above Scripture is supportive of our pre-existence as SONS... before we became MEN/WOMEN on this earth.  The word ALL does not leave out even ONE "son"... as well the word "SONS" in this verse is in Hebrew -- BEN -- which is the universal word used in all OT genealogies-- that refer to SONS.


Human beings are created... SONS (as they ARE in all aspects, IN the IMAGE of YHVH), like Himself, have ALWAYS BEEN... without BEGINNING or END.  As well, in the parable of the LOST SON -- Luke 15:11-13  (which is a figurative writing referring to all humans which are IN Adam), it is noted that before the younger Son became LOST (DESTROYED = Apollumi - #G622),  ...he was WITH the Father, ...then, he left to go to a "far country" (Earthly realm), and then RETURNED to the Father (Eternal realm).  REASON and LOGIC dictate that one cannot RETURN to a place that one had never (previously) been.


We are certainly emergent and dependent upon the existence of YHVH God... but in order that we BE as HE IS... then we (as beings) cannot have a beginning or end... which would compromise us as truly BEING as HE IS...   The ONLY way that aligns with LOGIC and REASON -- Isaiah 1:18 -- is that, we as HUMAN BEINGS (now in FLESH) which are SONS of MEN in THIS realm...  indeed have both a beginning (birth) and an end (death)...  but WE, ...as His SONS in SPIRIT in the ETERNAL realm (being EXACTLY in His IMAGE in EVERY POSSIBLE WAY),  ...are without either of these 2 limitations. 


YHVH GOD Himself even named us "gods" -- Psalm 82:6 -- and RIGHTLY so, as WE are His OFFSPRING... and are LIKE HIM in every detail including the aspects of the ETERNAL which are without the limitations of beginning and end.


I will now address your other post... 


PEACE...  ...willieH

[willieH]

willieH:   Hi John... 


Please know that I mean no offense to you in this reply... and as well... this reply is intended to inform any and all which might read it, not just you. 

Before the cross, all human dead went to the grave (sheol) in their spirits.

Sheol is divided in three... the place of the promise (Abraham's Bosom), and hades / hell the place of the condemned... separated by the abyss where the fallen angels are imprisoned who left their first estate (possessed a human or animal).

Sorry John... but there is no SCRIPTURAL foundation for this speculation.


This speculation is based upon the PARABLE (figurative writing) found in -- Luke 16:19-31.   Nowhere within this Parable is it noted that "SHEOL" divided in 3!  Also, HADES is the GRAVE, and certainly NOT the "place of the CONDEMNED"!  Please note even ONE verse which notes that HADES is the "place of the condemned".  There is no such notation in the WORD.


JESUS who is UNCHANGING -- Heb 13:8 -- James 1:17 -- was SENT NOT to CONDEMN -- John 3:17 --  Which also proposes that the SENDER (His Father) - YHVH God, ...IS... of a mind which does NOT-CONDEMN due to His UNCHANGING position -- Mal 3:4 -- which required that JESUS NOT CONDEMN.


As far as the "ABYSS" you mention (and propose in your diagram), it is called a great GULF in this Parable (which is a separation)... which only represents that those who have FAITH are certainly SEPARATED from those who do NOT have FAITH.  FAITH is not something that MEN generate.  Scripture notes that FAITH is AUTHORED ...and... FINISHED by JESUS -- Heb 12:2 -- WE must NOT take credit for the WORK of JESUS in us... which is FAITH, which HE processes IN US.  NO man of himself, can generate FAITH which saves -- Rom 10:13 -- ONLY the SAVIOR can generate the aspects of SALVATION, within us -- Rom 10:9 -- John 6:44 -- Rom 10:17 -- Heb 12:2-- Matt 11:27 -- 1Cor 12:3

Since the cross Abraham's Bosom is empty. Their judgment took place on the cross of Christ. And Ephesians 4:8-9 and 1 Peter 3:18-20 indicate Jesus took those in the side of promise to heaven (disembodied).

Neither of these verses attest to what you claim.  They do not state that ..."Abraham's bosom is empty".   Nor do they state that JESUS "took those in the side of promise to heaven".

The general resurrection will take place at the end of time so that every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father (Philippians 2:9-11). Believers will be changed into spirit bodies and be with the Lord forever. The condemned will be thrown into the lake of fire.

Sorry John... but this is your own invention.   You shall witness that YOUR knee bows and tongue confesses and shall be accepted... but that there are others which are SINNERS just like YOU, which shall NOT have the "bowing of the knee, and confession of the tongue" accepted?


Though it is another long discussion, THIS realm of TIME, ...IS the (symbolically noted) Lake of Fire...  JESUS is an UNCHANGING entity.  He DID not CONDEMN -- John 8:3-11 -- when He had opportunity to do so... BECAUSE, ...He was SENT NOT to CONDEMN -- John 3:17 -- by the Father who is RESOLVED and INTENDS that NONE PERISH -- 2 Pet 3:9 -- What you herein propose to the WORLD (on the WORLD-WIDE internet) is ...NOT... "good news"...

Revelation 20:11-15 (NKJV)
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

The book of Revelation is ENTIRELY SYMBOLIC, and IS the REVEALING of JESUS CHRIST.   


YHVH God via His Son JESUS CHRIST is the creator of ALL THINGS...  which are ALL, ...by Him and more importantly... FOR HIM -- Col 1:16-20 -- so ANY conclusion derived from this BOOK which REVEALS Him, displays things that are FOR HIM.  He was sent NOT to CONDEMN -- John 3:17 -- so NON-CONDEMNATION, is a precept that remains in place as JESUS does NOT CHANGE -- Heb 13:8


NONE of the contents of the book of the Revelation of JESUS CHRIST, can be defined as LITERAL.  Quoting from this book can easily mislead... (not that it is your intent to do so)... so, I try to refer to it only when necessary.


This "REVEALING" has taken place from the BEGINNING, IS taking place, and SHALL take place unto the END. 


The REVEALING of JESUS CHRIST is NOT a book which speaks of the END... rather it is the REVEALING of JESUS CHRIST which is an ENTITY that has neither of these parameters (beginning or end), but IS the BEGINNING and END of all things which HAVE a "BEGINNING and an END".


Like most bound in tradition... you have deduced the (SYMBOLIC) Lake of Fire as something which comes at the END...  Missing the entire point of the ONE being REVEALED which has no END.  The "Lake of Fire, as with all other aspects of this book, ARE involved in WHO JESUS IS... not who He might "become"... He IS who He IS... and part of WHO He IS... is the "Lake of FIRE"... which in its process is SAVIOR of those who suffer LOSS (by acts which are NOT acceptable in the living experience) which take place while we are each, IN THIS REALM -- 1 Cor 3:15


ALL men are concluded BY GOD, in UNBELIEF -- Rom 11:32 -- each are CAST into this realm, to become SINNERS... and to DIE...  No man has a SAY in becoming a SINNER, nor do we have a SAY in the TWO DEATHS we must endure... for Scripture notes ALL have SINNED (a writing which preceeded you and I by close to 2K years)... designating the entirety of the human race to SINFULNESS, and DEATH... before they have even been born.


In the beginning... ALL were destined to be IN ADAM, and have SINNED and DIED accordingly -- Rom 5:12 -- 1 Cor 15:22 -- which was DECLARED by YHVH God before ANY of it occurred -- Isaiah 46:10 -- the "things not yet done"...

Ezekiel 28:18 (NKJV)
18 "You defiled your sanctuaries By the multitude of your iniquities, By the iniquity of your trading; Therefore I brought fire from your midst; It devoured you, And I turned you to ashes upon the earth In the sight of all who saw you.

Sorry, but I do not see the significance of this passage of Scripture, which is written unto a Human ruler -- the Prince (King) of TYRUS...

Malachi 4:3 (NKJV)
3 You shall trample the wicked, For they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet On the day that I do this," Says the Lord of hosts

Again, I fail to see the relevance of this passage.  The "WICKED" ..are the hearts of MEN -- Jer 17:9 -- which, one by one, must be led to repentence by GOD -- Rom 2:4 -- which is PERFECTLY IMPARTIAL to ALL -- Acts 10:34 -- Prov 28:21 - (and 10 more that say the same thing)

The bodies of the condemned will be consumed in the fire but their spirits will live on as all spirits do.

Revelation 14:11 (NKJV)
11 "And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

Once again, you tread upon dangerous SYMBOLIC waters...  The WICKEDNESS which lies within the HEARTS of man is destroyed in this realm... BY the FIRES within it... What do you think Cancer, War, Divorce, Diabetes, etc... are?  "Warm up" destructions, for worse?   Where is your GOOD NEWS, John?
 

JESUS did not command His followers to bring CONDEMNATION!  Bringing news of CONDEMNATION is NOT His instruction!  I challenge anyone reading this to produce a Scripturally noted instruction from CHRIST for His followers to warn of coming CONDEMNATIONS of HELL or ANNHILATION!    


Where did HE command or commission YOU or anyone else, to tell the WORLD of HELL (UNBIBLICAL term), John?  Or of ANNHILATION (another UNBIBLICAL term)?   He is LOVE, and is about CASTING OUT FEAR, ...not imposing it upon those whom He LOVES -- 1 John 4:18


He commissioned His followers to bring the GOSPEL to the WORLD, of its SALVATION -- Luke 2:10 -- Mark 16:15 -- Matt 28:19-20

Remember, the lake of fire (hell) was created for the devil and his followers (all spirits) where does one put a spirit forever to get rid of it?

This realm was created to GIVE the Sons of GOD, ...HIS... knowledge of GOOD and EVIL...  that in every way we would reflect His PERSON and His HEART. 


The "devil" is the adversity which IS found amidst the manifestation of EVIL within the LIVING experience.  It is NOT a being... and is NOT an "angel" that once fell from a PERFECT place.  These are theological perversions and inventions which lie deep within the hearts of men -- Jer 17:9 -- which THINK they do "wonderful works" -- Matt 7:22-23 -- who's hearts are indeed WICKED above ALL THINGS.   Which includes any perception you or anyone else might have of the Halloween character that Christianity has blown out of proportion, and who THEY have exalted as the VICTOR over GOD's will -- 1 Tim 2:3-6 -- 2 Pet 3:9 -- to SAVE the WORLD...  Time to wake up! 

Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)41 "Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

Those who are on the "LEFT" hand of GOD, are the deeds of WICKEDNESS which were done of ALL men, and which collectively shall have a permanent END, when the FIRE of this world is COMPLETE -- 1 Cor 3:11-15 


The "RIGHT" hand of GOD ...are the behaviors of JESUS CHRIST, which are found manifest in ALL MEN... once HIS WORK is completed (concerning the unraveling of time) -- 1 Tim 2:6 -- testified in ALL, in DUE TIME.


PEACE...  ...willieH

[willieH]

willieH:  Hi Bitter Sweet...   


I am replying to your post, on the possibility that you might re-consider your observation of the destiny of MOST of the human race... 

I know there is a part in the bible that says the wicked will be forgotten. I think there is partial if not all memory loss as well. Some will awaken to eternal life while others to eternal shame. I think it's good that we forget because some of us won't survive and I'd rather not remember the family members and other people lost along the way. I don't think we will remember anything from our lives. I think that's a humane way for God to do it.

This is your version of GOOD NEWS, Bitter Sweet?   "NEWS" that shall most certainly be, "Sweet" for you ...but most certainly, shall be "Bitter" for others?   


The best scenario in your SPECULATION, is that you would rather NOT REMEMBER FAMILY members (and other people) that "didn't make it"?   And that FORGETTING persons that you once LOVED, is what is BEST for YOU?  In what way is that POSITIVE except for YOU, BS?  It is not positive for the family members nor other people, nor is it positive for GOD either... as while YOU forget, He which KNOWS ALL THINGS... most certainly shall REMEMBER.  And He DID SAY that He SO LOVED THE WORLD -- John 3:16 -- and is UNCHANGING -- Mal 3:4 -- so His MEMORY will surely contain them.


Is this truly how you feel about what GOD (in your opinion) is going to do to MOST of the Human Race?    Mercifully SPARING YOU grief, for what HE DOES to them?   Is this something that in the end, can be entitled, "GOOD NEWS"? 


Furthermore, it appears that you also maintain the opinion that GOD is "being humane" in this?  "Humane" to who, BS? 


His "being humane" surely seems to be centered upon YOU!   For no matter if you believe He is actually TORTURING these "family members" in HELL, or that He has just BURNED them to a CRISP...   these are certainly two methods which are NOT "Humane" in any sense of the word "HUMANE"!   


Those who think that either "HELL" or "ANNHILATION"  must also think that "HITLER" was being "humane" in his BURNING of thousands of JEWS, right?   


In probing your SPECULATION further, ...in what way does GOD's ANNHILATION of living persons, or UNENDING TORTURE (HELL) of living persons, differ from what good ol' HITLER did way back when, BS?   


Since I do not know which you believe I'll ask you concerning BOTH ---- Please explain to me, in what way is ANNHILATION "humane" BS?   In what way is HELL "humane", BS?


Then you propose that He shall HIDE His DOINGS from you (by INDUCING MEMORY LOSS upon you), ...that which He is doing to your "family members"?   As if He is (or might be) ASHAMED for you to remember it?   Why on Earth might GOD be ashamed of Himself, BS?  And, why would He be sparing YOU grief whilst experiencing it on an immeasurable level, Himself? (as He would "remember" ALL the individuals that were/are BURNED via ANNHILATION or HELL!)


And even though YOU are a SINNER  ...you have fortunately somehow found GRACE, where MOST did NOT!   ...As well,  ..."GRACE" (though SCRIPTURE claims it to be so), ...was in TRUTH, ...OBVIOUSLY was NOT "much more" than SIN (in the vast MAJORITY of Human beings - Rom 5:20)...  and in this BLATANT Scripturally UNTRUTHFUL discrepancy, GOD makes sure to bar YOUR memory from having any RECALL (of ones you once LOVED), by shielding what HE either IS doing, or already DID to them?  (that being the HEINOUS "Hitler" thing!)  Are you kidding me? 


How can you for a moment even consider that any of this to be "GOOD", Bittersweet?   (feel free to substitute "HELL" for "ANNHILATION" in the following questions, if HELL is indeed what you believe)


GOD is LOVE -- 1 John 4:8 -- what LOVE is found in the ANNHILATION of a living person BS? 
GOD is ALL MERCIFUL -- Psalm 136 (entire chapter), what MERCY is found in the ANNHILATION of a living person, BS? 
GOD is the God of PEACE -- Rom 15:33 -- What PEACE is found in the ANNHILATION of a living person, BS?
GOD sent His Son to NOT CONDEMN -- John 3:17 -- When did He change his mind about "condemnation", and how does that coincide with -- Mal3:4 -- BS?
GOD is INTENT that NONE PERISH? -- 2 Pet 3:9 -- But (according to you), PERISH they will!   Again -- when did He change his mind, and how does that coincide with -- Mal3:4 -- BS?


Why should YHVH God remain forever miserable "remembering" these LOST ones, and YOU remain forever blissfully oblivious in your "forgetfulness"?  Do you not see how TOTALLY SENSELESS this really is, BS?   


Do you suppose He will INFLICT MEMORY LOSS on Himself too, BS? 


Why would GOD "hide" His doings from you (by striking them from your memory), while HE KNOWS ALL THINGS -- 1 John 3:20 -- and surely remembers them Himself, BS?   If He inflicted memory loss upon Himself, then He would no longer "KNOW" ALL THINGS, right, BS?  And therefore He would be INCOMPLETE... and therefore IMPERFECT! 


If GOD indeed is PERFECT, then whatever GOD DOES, is also PERFECT...


So if you wouldn't mind, ...please enlighten me... WHAT exactly is PERFECT about "ANNHILATION", BS?   


Or if "HELL" is your preferred "belief", ...enlighten me about that, ...what exactly is PERFECT about "HELL"?



PEACE...    ...willieH