Mysticism and the Coming World Religion – PARTS 1, 2, and 3 all in one

[3 Resurrections]

Hey again Rella,

I should emphasize again that I am not in agreement with all points made by the Christian Gedge link I gave you.  On another website where I'm a member, I have briefly engaged with this gentleman, trying to get him to consider a revision for his dates for the no-gap 70 "weeks" of years from start to finish, based on the archaeological evidence we currently have.  However, once someone has written a book about their own view, they are pretty invested in maintaining that view without altering it.   The same is true for Dr. Gentry, who also dismisses my points for the same reason when I have tried to point out on his website some problems with his eschatology views. 

You wrote above that it was difficult to pinpoint the actual time between Christ's baptism and the beginning of His public ministry - that it was not as clear-cut as one might expect.  Perhaps not, but the gospel accounts do describe a time gap between these two events, and definitely indicate that the beginning of Christ's public ministry did NOT start with His baptism in AD 26/27.

The time gap between Christ's baptism and His public ministry is there in the gospels, which can be compared with each other for the proper chronology.  A long time gap is found between Matthew 4:11 (when Satan ended tempting Christ 40 days after His baptism) and later on in Matthew 4:12 (when John was cast into prison).  The scripture says that once Christ heard of John's imprisonment, that He then went successively into Galilee, Nazareth, and Capernaum for His ministry.  Matthew 4:17 says about John's imprisonment that "From that time, Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."  "From that time" after John was imprisoned, the beginning year of Daniel's 70th "week" of "Messiah the Prince" and His ministry of 3-1/2 years was launched. 

John Himself said that Christ was coming AFTER his own ministry had ended.  "He that cometh AFTER me is mightier than I..."  And we know that John's ministry of baptizing continued in the years immediately after Christ's baptism in AD 26/27, until John had "fulfilled his course" (Acts 13:25) and was imprisoned in AD 30.   

This Matthew 4:17 verse above is a duplicate of the Mark 1:15 verse - a quote of Jesus, which tells us that Jesus came into Galilee "after that John was put in prison"  It was then that Christ began preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel."  When Jesus Himself says that a certain set period of "time" has come to its fulfillment, it is best to take notice. 

The first miracle which Jesus performed at this time was in Cana of the region of Galilee.  This was the third day after John had specifically identified Christ as the Lamb of God which John had baptized earlier some time before that.  "Not many days" of Jesus dwelling in Capernaum after that miracle in Cana (John 2:12),  Jesus attended the first Passover of His ministry period.  That is when the Jews made their statement that "forty-six years was this temple in building..." (which would have been said in AD 30, 46 years after Herod began temple renovations in 17 BC).   

Christ also took advantage of his speaking in the Nazareth synagogue to announce that the very first year of Daniel's 70th week had begun.  After reading the Isaiah 61 prophecy about "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me..." and all the attending blessings that the ministry of the One having the Spirit would entail, including "the acceptable YEAR OF THE LORD", Christ then announced to His audience that "THIS DAY is this scripture fulfilled in your ears".  This means the "YEAR OF THE LORD" (the coming of Messiah the Prince) was then fulfilled for those listening to Christ at that moment.   

It is cross-referencing all these accounts and scripture texts that leads me to believe the AD 33 year to be correct for the crucifixion of Christ, in spite of the modern-day charts disagreeing with a Wednesday evening, 3 days / 3 nights burial of Christ in AD 33. 

[3 Resurrections]

Hi Amo,

The "time of the end" or the "last days" of course began with the entrance of the incarnate Christ's during His earthly ministry.  We agree on that.  However, this "time of the end" is not the "end of time" (which is a phrase that never appears in scripture).  The END was going to be the end of Israel as God's "holy people" which He had established as a nation in the era of the Exodus.  Even before the nation of Israel was about to enter Canaan, the aging Moses taught them a song to sing in Deuteronomy 32:1-43 which would be a witness against them in "their latter END", when evil would befall them in "the latter days" as a people (Deut. 32:29, Deut 31:29). 

"For the Lord shall judge His people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that their power is gone, and there is none shut up, or left." (Deut. 32:36).  In this song of Moses, God promised that "I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.  I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh..."  This was the "days of vengeance" predicted in advance.  It was the same warning of coming vengeance which Christ gave to His own generation for rejecting Himself as their promised Messiah.

As for the "harvest" by the angels as a bodily resurrection, that "harvest" Christ spoke of in the parable was going to take place at "the completion of the AGE (aionos) - not the so-called "end of the WORLD" (which would use the oikoumene or kosmos term).  This has been mistranslated by the JKV, to the confusion of those like yourself who think this particular harvest Christ was discussing will come at the close of fallen man's history on the planet. 

There is more than one "church" age, by the way.  Paul in Ephesians 3:21 said, 'Unto Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout ALL AGES, world without end.  Amen."  The word "ALL" indicates at least three or even more "church" ages under consideration in this verse.  It also shows that this planet is not destined for annihilation - even if each of those particular church ages have a concluding point. 

As for the gospel being preached "in all the world" before the end came - Paul already announced that this had occurred in his days.  The gospel back then Paul said "...was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister..." (Colossians 1:23).  Also in Colossians 1:6, Paul said of the truth of the gospel, "Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit..."

So, that gospel was taken into all the world in those days before "the completion of the age", and the bodily resurrection in AD 70.  And as you have said, the gospel continues to go forth into all the world, and it will again "fill the earth" before the third coming of Christ Jesus at the last, 3rd resurrection.

There will be no final global Beast to fight against.  I don't "reject" or "fight against" this prophecy.  Along with Daniel, John, and Christ, I agree that all three Beasts would experience their destruction - in John's days - not our future.  Christ's stone kingdom is the one kingdom left standing forever, once that rock cut without hands crushed and turned to dust the power behind all those former world empires.  No other world empire has ever, or will ever, usurp and take the place of Christ's growing stone kingdom since AD 70.  To say otherwise is to "reject" and to "fight against" the superiority of Christ's kingdom and reign. 

As for the destruction of the nation of Israel, God promised in Isaiah 65:11-15 that for those that forsook the Lord among the nation, "The Lord God shall SLAY THEE, and call his servants by another name."  They would be "numbered to the sword" and "bow down to the slaughter" because of their disobedience.  To "shatter the power of the holy people" as Daniel 12:7 said would be accomplished within 3-1/2 years, this was to destroy Israel's power to call themselves the sons of God.  Those that DID receive Him, to THEM gave He power to become the sons of God, even to those that believed in His name.  Those is Israel who did NOT receive Him when Christ was manifested to them as the Messiah, lost that power to call themselves the sons of God.   

Also, the temple at Jerusalem was called "the sanctuary of STRENGTH" in Daniel 11:31.  This stronghold was torn down to the last stone in AD 70.  The Jews who considered the physical temple to be the focus of all Judaism would lose that "sanctuary of strength" by the close of AD 70.   Once the power of the nation represented by that physical temple structure was demolished completely, the power of Israel to call themselves the "holy people" was also demolished in a very obvious physical demonstration to the surrounding nations.

I see, Amo, that you have fallen into the "archangel Michael is Jesus Christ" error. Michael was only "ONE of the chief princes", in Daniel 10:13, meaning there were other "chief princes" on the same authority level as Michael.  This is not true of Jesus Christ, who "has been given a name that is above every name." 

And regarding the Protestant Reformers who considered the papacy to be the Antichrist, they were only laboring under their own impressions due to their then-present persecution by the Catholic church.  Unfortunately, they did not pay attention to the time-relevant terms that 1 John 2:18-19 used to describe the many antichrists that were present back in the first-century.  The rise to power of one of them would last only briefly until God destroyed him almost as soon as he came into power.   The Reformers were doing their best with the knowledge they had at the time, but they were incorrect on the identity of this relatively minor Antichrist character in the drama of those first-century end times.  Just like them, Amo, you have inflated the level of importance that this single, wicked Antichrist character would achieve.  You have turned this character into something virtually indestructible and larger than life in its global influence, and the scriptures do not do this.

The Antichrist character was murdered in AD 66 after about two weeks of achieving the Zealot leadership and presenting himself as "king of the Jews" in Jerusalem's temple.  His rise to power and his destruction was only a mile-marker sign post that alerted the believers that the gathering together of the resurrected saints was soon to come after that.  Christ had already warned the believers to flee from Judea and Jerusalem when they saw those Zealot and Roman armies come to surround Jerusalem in AD 66 - we have records of how many believers did do just that in AD 66, and saved themselves from experiencing all the horrors of AD 66-70 in Jerusalem and Judea. 

Unfortunately, the Reformers did not read their history books and compare them to what scripture predicted that this Antichrist character would do before he was destroyed.  In neglecting to do this, they only ended up leading others like yourself astray.  Do I care that it was a Jesuit from the Catholic church who tried to do damage control from this teaching by the Reformers?  Not really.  Yes, I know that the Jesuits had their own selfish motives for trying to prove the Reformers wrong on this point of the papacy being the Antichrist, but that does not make their Preterist statements necessarily wrong. 

Let me ask you, and also Rella, a question: If Catholicism believes and teaches the virgin birth, should we reject the doctrine of the virgin birth because it is taught by a Catholic?  No, because the scripture teaches this as a fact.  Then if Preterist style teaching was also brought up by a Catholic Jesuit, does that make it automatically wrong?  No, it doesn't, if we are faithfully relying on the scripture's statements, and they lead in that direction.   

I'll agree with even a donkey that utters gospel truth, if what that donkey says comes straight from God's words.   Hey, I even believe what the devils said about Christ's identity.  "I know thee who thou art - the Holy One of God", they said.  Should I say this statement from the devils was absolutely wrong, just because of its source? 

[Amo]

There will be no "final persecuting beast of biblical prophecy" (which you are expecting for our future), because, long ago, the power behind all those beast kingdoms has already been simultaneously crushed to dust blowing on the wind (as Daniel 2:35 predicted).The power behind these destroyed beast kingdoms has been replaced by the growth of Christ's stone kingdom, which is incrementally increasing in this world at present.  You, Amo, are part of that stone kingdom, as am I, since we are called those "living stones" built upon the "chief cornerstone" which is Christ.

First, you are incorrectly applying Daniel's prophecy concerning the vision of the great image composed of different metals in Daniel 2, to Daniel's vision concerning the four beasts of Daniel seven. While these prophecies do address the same four kingdoms and beyond to the end of this world, more details which refute your above interpretation are revealed in the vision of Daniel seven. This according to the biblical principle of repetition and enlargement, very often associated with biblical prophecy in particular.

The kingdom of God that was set up during the days of the kings of Daniel 2, was of course the Church of Christ set up by the power of the gospel of the kingdom of God. Preached by our Lord Jesus Christ, and empowered by the Holy Spirit of God, unto conviction and conversion into the faith. This kingdom was and is to remain a spiritual kingdom within this world, until the return of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, at which time God's people will be delivered from death, while this world and its false kingdoms and religions will be destroyed. The new heavens and new earth will then be created, where the saved will dwell forever.

This is the teaching of holy scripture, and the testimony of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ when here on earth as one of us unto our salvation. Christ and His apostles warned the Church of the present and future dangers they did and would face until the second coming of our Lord. Which are prophetically addressed in the book of Revelation, and the three more beasts of biblical prophecy revealed there as well, making a total of seven biblical beasts of prophecy. All of which your Jesuit inspired interpretations of prophecy deny and war against in line with the exact intent of the Jesuits to do so. This because the prophecies themselves were and are directly connected to the papacy whom the Jesuits once served, but whom the papacy itself now serves. Which testimony the Protestant Reformers also gave concerning the papacy, who persecuted and killed them for doing so. Whose testimony you also reject in favor of Jesuit inspired interpretations of prophecy produced by them in the Counter Reformation. So be it.

Christ's kingdom having once been established in this world, will continue forever, and eventually grow into God's holy mountain when the new heaven and new earth are created. Just not according to the timing or Jesuit inspired interpretations you choose to believe and preach.

Joe 3:1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, 2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land. 3 And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink. 4 Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head; 5 Because ye have taken my silver and my gold, and have carried into your temples my goodly pleasant things: 6 The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border. 7 Behold, I will raise them out of the place whither ye have sold them, and will return your recompence upon your own head: 8 And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off: for the LORD hath spoken it. 9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up: 10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong. 11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD. 12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great. 14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision. 15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining. 16 The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel. 17 So shall ye know that I am the LORD your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more. 18 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth of the house of the LORD, and shall water the valley of Shittim. 19 Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence against the children of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land. 20 But Judah shall dwell for ever, and Jerusalem from generation to generation. 21 For I will cleanse their blood that I have not cleansed: for the LORD dwelleth in Zion.

The Harvest of the Earth

Rev 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. 16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. 17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. 18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. 19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. 20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

The New Heaven and the New Earth

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

The New Jerusalem

9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. 10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, 11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; 12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: 13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates. 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. 15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof. 16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel. 18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass. 19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald; 20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst. 21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass. 22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. 23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. 24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. 25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. 26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. 27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

[Amo]

Hi Amo,

The "time of the end" or the "last days" of course began with the entrance of the incarnate Christ's during His earthly ministry.  We agree on that.  However, this "time of the end" is not the "end of time" (which is a phrase that never appears in scripture).  The END was going to be the end of Israel as God's "holy people" which He had established as a nation in the era of the Exodus.  Even before the nation of Israel was about to enter Canaan, the aging Moses taught them a song to sing in Deuteronomy 32:1-43 which would be a witness against them in "their latter END", when evil would befall them in "the latter days" as a people (Deut. 32:29, Deut 31:29). 

"For the Lord shall judge His people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that their power is gone, and there is none shut up, or left." (Deut. 32:36).  In this song of Moses, God promised that "I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.  I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh..."  This was the "days of vengeance" predicted in advance.  It was the same warning of coming vengeance which Christ gave to His own generation for rejecting Himself as their promised Messiah.

As for the "harvest" by the angels as a bodily resurrection, that "harvest" Christ spoke of in the parable was going to take place at "the completion of the AGE (aionos) - not the so-called "end of the WORLD" (which would use the oikoumene or kosmos term).  This has been mistranslated by the JKV, to the confusion of those like yourself who think this particular harvest Christ was discussing will come at the close of fallen man's history on the planet. 

There is more than one "church" age, by the way.  Paul in Ephesians 3:21 said, 'Unto Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout ALL AGES, world without end.  Amen."  The word "ALL" indicates at least three or even more "church" ages under consideration in this verse.  It also shows that this planet is not destined for annihilation - even if each of those particular church ages have a concluding point. 

As for the gospel being preached "in all the world" before the end came - Paul already announced that this had occurred in his days.  The gospel back then Paul said "...was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister..." (Colossians 1:23).  Also in Colossians 1:6, Paul said of the truth of the gospel, "Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit..."

So, that gospel was taken into all the world in those days before "the completion of the age", and the bodily resurrection in AD 70.  And as you have said, the gospel continues to go forth into all the world, and it will again "fill the earth" before the third coming of Christ Jesus at the last, 3rd resurrection.

There will be no final global Beast to fight against.  I don't "reject" or "fight against" this prophecy.  Along with Daniel, John, and Christ, I agree that all three Beasts would experience their destruction - in John's days - not our future.  Christ's stone kingdom is the one kingdom left standing forever, once that rock cut without hands crushed and turned to dust the power behind all those former world empires.  No other world empire has ever, or will ever, usurp and take the place of Christ's growing stone kingdom since AD 70.  To say otherwise is to "reject" and to "fight against" the superiority of Christ's kingdom and reign. 

As for the destruction of the nation of Israel, God promised in Isaiah 65:11-15 that for those that forsook the Lord among the nation, "The Lord God shall SLAY THEE, and call his servants by another name."  They would be "numbered to the sword" and "bow down to the slaughter" because of their disobedience.  To "shatter the power of the holy people" as Daniel 12:7 said would be accomplished within 3-1/2 years, this was to destroy Israel's power to call themselves the sons of God.  Those that DID receive Him, to THEM gave He power to become the sons of God, even to those that believed in His name.  Those is Israel who did NOT receive Him when Christ was manifested to them as the Messiah, lost that power to call themselves the sons of God.   

Also, the temple at Jerusalem was called "the sanctuary of STRENGTH" in Daniel 11:31.  This stronghold was torn down to the last stone in AD 70.  The Jews who considered the physical temple to be the focus of all Judaism would lose that "sanctuary of strength" by the close of AD 70.   Once the power of the nation represented by that physical temple structure was demolished completely, the power of Israel to call themselves the "holy people" was also demolished in a very obvious physical demonstration to the surrounding nations.

I see, Amo, that you have fallen into the "archangel Michael is Jesus Christ" error. Michael was only "ONE of the chief princes", in Daniel 10:13, meaning there were other "chief princes" on the same authority level as Michael.  This is not true of Jesus Christ, who "has been given a name that is above every name." 

And regarding the Protestant Reformers who considered the papacy to be the Antichrist, they were only laboring under their own impressions due to their then-present persecution by the Catholic church.  Unfortunately, they did not pay attention to the time-relevant terms that 1 John 2:18-19 used to describe the many antichrists that were present back in the first-century.  The rise to power of one of them would last only briefly until God destroyed him almost as soon as he came into power.   The Reformers were doing their best with the knowledge they had at the time, but they were incorrect on the identity of this relatively minor Antichrist character in the drama of those first-century end times.  Just like them, Amo, you have inflated the level of importance that this single, wicked Antichrist character would achieve.  You have turned this character into something virtually indestructible and larger than life in its global influence, and the scriptures do not do this.

The Antichrist character was murdered in AD 66 after about two weeks of achieving the Zealot leadership and presenting himself as "king of the Jews" in Jerusalem's temple.  His rise to power and his destruction was only a mile-marker sign post that alerted the believers that the gathering together of the resurrected saints was soon to come after that.  Christ had already warned the believers to flee from Judea and Jerusalem when they saw those Zealot and Roman armies come to surround Jerusalem in AD 66 - we have records of how many believers did do just that in AD 66, and saved themselves from experiencing all the horrors of AD 66-70 in Jerusalem and Judea. 

Unfortunately, the Reformers did not read their history books and compare them to what scripture predicted that this Antichrist character would do before he was destroyed.  In neglecting to do this, they only ended up leading others like yourself astray.  Do I care that it was a Jesuit from the Catholic church who tried to do damage control from this teaching by the Reformers?  Not really.  Yes, I know that the Jesuits had their own selfish motives for trying to prove the Reformers wrong on this point of the papacy being the Antichrist, but that does not make their Preterist statements necessarily wrong. 

Let me ask you, and also Rella, a question: If Catholicism believes and teaches the virgin birth, should we reject the doctrine of the virgin birth because it is taught by a Catholic?  No, because the scripture teaches this as a fact.  Then if Preterist style teaching was also brought up by a Catholic Jesuit, does that make it automatically wrong?  No, it doesn't, if we are faithfully relying on the scripture's statements, and they lead in that direction.   

I'll agree with even a donkey that utters gospel truth, if what that donkey says comes straight from God's words.   Hey, I even believe what the devils said about Christ's identity.  "I know thee who thou art - the Holy One of God", they said.  Should I say this statement from the devils was absolutely wrong, just because of its source?

Many errors in the above, and of course denial of plain, simple, and conclusive statements of our Lord Jesus Christ and his prophets and apostles as well. Which I will address later. After I finish addressing your previous post to me. Those who deny the global flood and first destruction of this world, employ your above argument about the word world as well. Context is the determining factor concerning its meaning, not personal fancy. 

[3 Resurrections]

"Personal fancy"?  That's not true, Amo.  I am quoting from a multitude of translations that also translate "aionos" as AGE and not "world" (twenty-seven of them that I can count).  Christ spoke about the harvest at "the consummation of this AGE" - not the end of the globe, which will abide forever. If you are a KJV-only adherent, then you will likewise mistranslate "aionos" as "world", just as they mistakenly did.  But even the New King James Version also saw the error of this and corrected the KJV by translating Matthew 13:40 as "so it will be at the end of this AGE."

I have no idea exactly what "Jesuit" material you think I have read to arrive at my current eschatological understanding.  I have read very few Preterist authors, and of those I have read, I differ with their position on many things.  I've never read a Catholic authored article that I am aware of.  Scripture itself is my tool to understand the book itself.   I use the Interlinear quite a bit as well as the Septuagint, since that was quoted by the NT authors.

I have never denied the statements of Christ, the prophets, or the Apostles; just those who are interpreting them incorrectly.  So your accusation that I am doing so is false. 

For instance, you have stated that Daniel 2's statue of world empires as well as Daniel 7's 4 beasts will last until the end of the world.  This is not true.  It's not even logical.  The stone kingdom which destroyed the power behind all of those world empires and turned them to dust is taking time after crushing them to dust to incrementally grow and  fill the whole world.  This incremental, steady growth over time could not possibly take place instantaneously at the end of the world, as you suppose.  That wouldn't allow any time for that incremental, steady growth to take place.

Daniel's prophecies have nothing whatever to do with the papacy, which developed long after the power behind all those beasts was destroyed in AD 70.   If you think the papacy is part of the beasts which Daniel was referring to, then this is your own delusion.   Mystery Babylon in Revelation 17 also has nothing to do with the papacy or Catholicism.  This is another delusion of yours.  Mystery Babylon was Old Jerusalem, as can be proved from multiple scripture passages, both OT and NT.

The Revelation 14:14 sickle harvest you mentioned was Christ resurrecting the Matthew 27:52-53 saints out of the earth.  It's a past fulfillment from back in AD 33.  Not a future harvest. Christ Himself alone harvested those Matthew 27:52-53 individuals, with no assistance from the angels, which angelic assistance would occur in the next, second bodily resurrection in AD 70 at Christ's second coming to the Mount of Olives.

Perhaps you did not get the memo, but we are currently dwelling in the New Jerusalem, as Hebrews 12:22 said was a reality even back then. 
You also apparently did not get the memo that the New Heavens and the New Earth conditions are in place now, and have been ever since AD 70.  Of course you will probably disagree, but I expect that from someone who is not taking the actual, specific terms of the NHNE into account.  Many of them are conditions that could not possibly take place in the eternal state. 

And I have read absolutely no "Jesuit" material to arrive at these conclusions.  Just scripture itself, reading it by myself, and paying very, very careful attention to the language.  If the Reformers didn't see it this way, then at least they know better by now in glory.  The library collection in my home is replete with the Reformers' writings, and it is sad that they did not catch the truth of these things back then.  They were not infallible, you know.  And since we have so much better and faster access to study scriptural materials now, there is no reason for anyone to remain ignorant of eschatology themes. 

[Rella]

Hey again Rella,

I should emphasize again that I am not in agreement with all points made by the Christian Gedge link I gave you.  On another website where I'm a member, I have briefly engaged with this gentleman, trying to get him to consider a revision for his dates for the no-gap 70 "weeks" of years from start to finish, based on the archaeological evidence we currently have.  However, once someone has written a book about their own view, they are pretty invested in maintaining that view without altering it.   The same is true for Dr. Gentry, who also dismisses my points for the same reason when I have tried to point out on his website some problems with his eschatology views. 

You wrote above that it was difficult to pinpoint the actual time between Christ's baptism and the beginning of His public ministry - that it was not as clear-cut as one might expect.  Perhaps not, but the gospel accounts do describe a time gap between these two events, and definitely indicate that the beginning of Christ's public ministry did NOT start with His baptism in AD 26/27.

The time gap between Christ's baptism and His public ministry is there in the gospels, which can be compared with each other for the proper chronology.  A long time gap is found between Matthew 4:11 (when Satan ended tempting Christ 40 days after His baptism) and later on in Matthew 4:12 (when John was cast into prison).  The scripture says that once Christ heard of John's imprisonment, that He then went successively into Galilee, Nazareth, and Capernaum for His ministry.  Matthew 4:17 says about John's imprisonment that "From that time, Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."  "From that time" after John was imprisoned, the beginning year of Daniel's 70th "week" of "Messiah the Prince" and His ministry of 3-1/2 years was launched. 

John Himself said that Christ was coming AFTER his own ministry had ended.  "He that cometh AFTER me is mightier than I..."  And we know that John's ministry of baptizing continued in the years immediately after Christ's baptism in AD 26/27, until John had "fulfilled his course" (Acts 13:25) and was imprisoned in AD 30.   

This Matthew 4:17 verse above is a duplicate of the Mark 1:15 verse - a quote of Jesus, which tells us that Jesus came into Galilee "after that John was put in prison"  It was then that Christ began preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel."  When Jesus Himself says that a certain set period of "time" has come to its fulfillment, it is best to take notice. 

The first miracle which Jesus performed at this time was in Cana of the region of Galilee.  This was the third day after John had specifically identified Christ as the Lamb of God which John had baptized earlier some time before that.  "Not many days" of Jesus dwelling in Capernaum after that miracle in Cana (John 2:12),  Jesus attended the first Passover of His ministry period.  That is when the Jews made their statement that "forty-six years was this temple in building..." (which would have been said in AD 30, 46 years after Herod began temple renovations in 17 BC).   

Christ also took advantage of his speaking in the Nazareth synagogue to announce that the very first year of Daniel's 70th week had begun.  After reading the Isaiah 61 prophecy about "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me..." and all the attending blessings that the ministry of the One having the Spirit would entail, including "the acceptable YEAR OF THE LORD", Christ then announced to His audience that "THIS DAY is this scripture fulfilled in your ears".  This means the "YEAR OF THE LORD" (the coming of Messiah the Prince) was then fulfilled for those listening to Christ at that moment.   

It is cross-referencing all these accounts and scripture texts that leads me to believe the AD 33 year to be correct for the crucifixion of Christ, in spite of the modern-day charts disagreeing with a Wednesday evening, 3 days / 3 nights burial of Christ in AD 33.

Sorry, 3R...

I just do not agree that your understanding of when Jesus began his ministry after a long gap is correct.

I do agree with the statement, from my reply above, "    The timeline of Jesus Ministry and His public life begins with the baptism of Jesus by John the Baptist in the fifteenth year of Roman Emperor Tiberius according to Luke 3:1.

I also should have included....from " https://www.thesacredcalendar.com/downloads/timeline-of-jesus-ministry/" ( see above)

I had posted this part...

First Year of Public Ministry
     After His baptism by John the Baptist, Jesus is tempted in the wilderness for 40 days and 40 nights without water or food.
     After coming out the wilderness, Jesus begins calling His Disciples saying "Come, follow me, and I will make you fishers of
     men" (Matthew 4:19). A sample of some of the first year events of the public life and ministry of Jesus includes the
     following:

I should have continued with the rest of what followed.  All done in the first year.

    1. Jesus turns water to wine (John 2:1-11).
    2. Jesus began teaching in Synagogues in Galilee (Luke 4:14-15.
    3. Jesus goes to Jerusalem for 27 AD Passover (John 2:13).
    4. Jesus cleanses the Temple for the first time. He would do it again three years later a few days before He is crucified in 30
        AD (John 2:14-17).
     5.Nicodemus comes to Jesus at night (John 3:1-21).
     6.John the Baptist tells his Disciples Jesus is more important than he is: "he must increase, I must decrease": (John 3: 27-
        36).
     7. Jesus speaks to the Samaritan woman at the well four months before wheat harvest. This famous event at Jacob's Well is
        the first time that Jesus announces he is the expected 'Messiah' (John 4:5-38).
     8. King Herod puts John the Baptist in prison (Matthew 14:3-4; Mark 6:17-20; Luke 3:18-20).
     9 Jesus heals nobleman's son (John 4:46-54).
    10. Jesus rejected in Nazareth teaching from Isaiah. Jesus teaching reveals he is the Messiah (Luke 4:16-30).
    11. Jesus casts out demons in Capernum (Mark 1:21-28; Luke 4:31-37).
    12. Jesus healing miracles stories spread through Galilee (Matthew 4:23-25; Mark 1:39; Luke 4:33-44).

NOW: YOU likely WONT read all of he following but you should look at it and the length of what is posted as this is under the heading

NOTE: THIS IS ONLY THE FIRST YEAR OF PUBLIC MINISTRY. as dated. Look at the link for the second.

Dated Chronology First Year Public Ministry

Matthew 3:1-12; Mark 1:1-8; Luke 3:1-20; John 1:19-28

John the Baptist Begins Preaching Ministry at Thirty

This is the thirtieth birthday of John the Baptist.

Type of dated event: ESDIS

BR Calendar Day Number: 186

BR Years from Creation: 4139

BR: Sunday, April 20 — Iyar 3, 26 AD

GH: Sunday, March 29 — Nisan 7, 26 AD

Julian Day Number: 1730643.75

Matthew 3:13-17; Mark 1:9-11; Luke 3:21-22; John 1:32-34

The Baptism of Jesus at the River Jordon

The baptism of Jesus happens exactly 480 years after the completion of the Jerusalem Wall (Nehemiah 6:15). This event also occurs 42 days before the 30th birthday of Jesus in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius.

Type of dated event: PCD

BR Calendar Day Number: 326

BR Years from Creation: 4139

BR: Sunday, September 8 — Elul 25, 26 AD

GH: Sunday, August 16 — Av 29, 26 AD

Julian Day Number: 1730783.75

Matthew 4:1-11; Mark 1:12-13; Luke 4:1-2

Night Number One of Forty in the Wilderness

Type of dated event: PCD

BR Calendar Day Number: 327

BR Years from Creation: 4139

BR: Monday, September 9 — Elul 26, 26 AD

GH: Monday, August 17 — Av 30, 26 AD

Julian Day Number: 1730784.75

Matthew 4:3-4; Luke 4:3-4

Satan Temps Jesus to Turn Stones to Bread

Jesus quotes Deuteronomy 8:3.

Type of dated event: EST

BR Calendar Day Number: 338

BR Years from Creation: 4139

BR: Friday, September 20 — Tishri 8, 26 AD

GH: Friday, August 28 — Elul 11, 26 AD

Julian Day Number: 1730795.75

Matthew 4:5-7; Luke 4:9-12

Satan Temps Jesus to Jump from Top of Temple

Satan quotes Psalms 91:11-12. Jesus quotes Deuteronomy 6:16. Moses raises question of "tempting the Lord" in Exodus 17:2.

Type of dated event: EST

BR Calendar Day Number: 350

BR Years from Creation: 4139

BR: Wednesday, October 2 — Tishri 20, 26 AD

GH: Wednesday, September 9 — Elul 23, 26 AD

Julian Day Number: 1730807.75

Matthew 4:8-11; Luke 4:5-8

Satan Temps Jesus with World's Kingdoms

Jesus quotes from Deuteronomy 6:13 and Exodus 34:14. Jesus commands Satan in the same manner in Matthew 16:23 and Mark 8:33.

Type of dated event: EST

BR Calendar Day Number: 362

BR Years from Creation: 4139

BR: Monday, October 14 — Creation Day 1, 26 AD

GH: Monday, September 21 — Tishri 6, 26 AD

Julian Day Number: 1730819.75

Matthew 4:11; Luke 4:13

Satan Temporarily Departs After Temptations

Type of dated event: EST

BR Calendar Day Number: 362

BR Years from Creation: 4139

BR: Monday, October 14 — Creation Day 1, 26 AD

GH: Monday, September 21 — Tishri 6, 26 AD

Julian Day Number: 1730819.75

Matthew 4:11; Mark 1:13

Angels Minister to Jesus after Satan Departs

Type of dated event: EST

BR Calendar Day Number: 362

BR Years from Creation: 4139

BR: Monday, October 14 — Creation Day 1, 26 AD

GH: Monday, September 21 — Tishri 6, 26 AD

Julian Day Number: 1730819.75

Luke 4:2, 14

Jesus Fasts Forty Days and Returns to Galilee

Moses also fasted forty days as recorded in Deuteronomy 9:9, 18. Elijah fasted for forty days, according to I Kings 19:8.

Type of dated event: PCD

BR Calendar Day Number: 2

BR Years from Creation: 4140

BR: Friday, October 18 — Creation Day 5, 26 AD

GH: Friday, September 25 — Tishri 10, 26 AD

Julian Day Number: 1730823.75

Luke 3:1, 23

Jesus Turns Thirty Years Old in Fifteenth Year of Tiberius

The thirtieth birthday of Jesus occurs two days after he returns from the Temptations in the Wilderness. This event is in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberias.

Type of dated event: PCD

BR Calendar Day Number: 4

BR Years from Creation: 4140

BR: Sunday, October 20 — Creation Day 7, 26 AD

GH: Sunday, September 27 — Tishri 12, 26 AD

Julian Day Number: 1730825.75

John 1:29-34

John Tells About Events at the Baptism of Jesus

Type of dated event: EST

BR Calendar Day Number: 4

BR Years from Creation: 4140

BR: Sunday, October 20 — Creation Day 7, 26 AD

GH: Sunday, September 27 — Tishri 12, 26 AD

Julian Day Number: 1730825.75

John 1:35-36

John the Baptist Talks to Two of His Disciples

Type of dated event: EST

BR Calendar Day Number: 5

BR Years from Creation: 4140

BR: Monday, October 21 — Heshvan 1, 26 AD

GH: Monday, September 28 — Tishri 13, 26 AD

Julian Day Number: 1730826.75

John 1:37-39

Andrew and James Leave John and Follow Jesus

"Now it was about the tenth hour" means it was about 4:00 p.m. in the afternoon.

Type of dated event: EST

BR Calendar Day Number: 5

BR Years from Creation: 4140

BR: Monday, October 21 — Heshvan 1, 26 AD

GH: Monday, September 28 — Tishri 13, 26 AD

Julian Day Number: 1730826.75

John 1:40-42

Andrew Introduces Jesus to Simon Peter

Jesus renames Peter as Cephas which means "a stone."

Type of dated event: EST

BR Calendar Day Number: 5

BR Years from Creation: 4140

BR: Monday, October 21 — Heshvan 1, 26 AD

GH: Monday, September 28 — Tishri 13, 26 AD

Julian Day Number: 1730826.75

John 1:43-44

Jesus Instructs Philip to "Follow Me"

Type of dated event: EST

BR Calendar Day Number: 6

BR Years from Creation: 4140

BR: Tuesday, October 22 — Heshvan 2, 26 AD

GH: Tuesday, September 29 — Tishri 14, 26 AD

Julian Day Number: 1730827.75

John 1:45-51

Philip Introduces Nathanael to Jesus

Type of dated event: EST

BR Calendar Day Number: 6

BR Years from Creation: 4140

BR: Tuesday, October 22 — Heshvan 2, 26 AD

GH: Tuesday, September 29 — Tishri 14, 26 AD

Julian Day Number: 1730827.75

John 2:1-11

Jesus Turns Water to Wine in Cana

"On the third day" may refer to the third day of the wedding feast or the number of days the disciples were following Jesus. It may have been Heshvan 3 on the Hebrew calendar. The wedding may be connected to an invitation from Nathanael since he was from Cana, according to John 21:2.

Type of dated event: EST

BR Calendar Day Number: 7

BR Years from Creation: 4140

BR: Wednesday, October 23 — Heshvan 3, 26 AD

GH: Wednesday, September 30 — Tishri 15, 26 AD

Julian Day Number: 1730828.75

John 2:12

Jesus Goes to Capernaum with Family/Disciples

Type of dated event: EST

BR Calendar Day Number: 14

BR Years from Creation: 4140

BR: Wednesday, October 30 — Heshvan 10, 26 AD

GH: Wednesday, October 7 — Tishri 22, 26 AD

Julian Day Number: 1730835.75

Luke 4:14-15

Jesus Began Teaching in Synagogues in Galilee

Type of dated event: EST

BR Calendar Day Number: 26

BR Years from Creation: 4140

BR: Monday, November 11 — Heshvan 22, 26 AD

GH: Monday, October 19 — Creation Day 3, 26 AD

Julian Day Number: 1730847.75

John 2:13

Jesus Goes to Jerusalem For 27 AD Passover

This is the first of four Passover's in the Public Ministry of Jesus.

Type of dated event: EST

BR Calendar Day Number: 172

BR Years from Creation: 4140

BR: Sunday, April 6 — Nisan 19, 27 AD

GH: Sunday, March 14 — Adar 22, 27 AD

Julian Day Number: 1730993.75

John 2:13

Nisan 10-Start of Passover Feast in 27 AD

Type of dated event: SDIS

BR Calendar Day Number: 190

BR Years from Creation: 4140

BR: Thursday, April 24 — Iyar 7, 27 AD

GH: Thursday, April 1 — Nisan 10, 27 AD

Julian Day Number: 1731011.75

John 2:14-17

Nisan 11-First Time Jesus Cleanses the Temple

Jesus would cleanse the Temple again three years later on Nisan 11 in 30 AD during Easter Week. The second cleansing of the Temple in 30 AD is recorded in Matthew 21:12-13, Mark 11:15-17, and Luke 19:45-46.

Type of dated event: ESDIS

BR Calendar Day Number: 191

BR Years from Creation: 4140

BR: Friday, April 25 — Iyar 8, 27 AD

GH: Friday, April 2 — Nisan 11, 27 AD

Julian Day Number: 1731012.75

John 2:18-22

Jews Ask For Sign of His "Cleansing" Authority

This event occurs forty-six years after the start of the building of the Herodian Temple in 19 BC. Jesus' statement, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up", would be misquoted and used against him at his trial in Matthew 26:61 and Mark 14:58.

Type of dated event: ESDIS

BR Calendar Day Number: 191

BR Years from Creation: 4140

BR: Friday, April 25 — Iyar 8, 27 AD

GH: Friday, April 2 — Nisan 11, 27 AD

Julian Day Number: 1731012.75

John 2:13

Nisan 14 Passover in 27 AD

Nisan 14 Passover is the solar date from Creation (SDFC) when we look at events in the New Testament. Now we are now dealing with a solar calendar. Nisan 14 always falls on April 5 on the Gregorian calendar in a non-leap year. Nisan 14 falls on April 3 in a leap year.

Type of dated event: Sol-Passover

BR Calendar Day Number: 194

BR Years from Creation: 4140

BR: Monday, April 28 — Iyar 11, 27 AD

GH: Monday, April 5 — Nisan 14, 27 AD

Julian Day Number: 1731015.75

John 3:1-21

Nicodemus Comes to Jesus at Night

Jesus teaches on the need to be "born again".

Type of dated event: EST

BR Calendar Day Number: 197

BR Years from Creation: 4140

BR: Thursday, May 1 — Iyar 14, 27 AD

GH: Thursday, April 8 — Nisan 17, 27 AD

Julian Day Number: 1731018.75

John 3:22-24

Jesus and Disciples Baptize in Judea

John the Baptist teaches close by in Aenon near Salim. At this point in the New Testament, John the Baptist is getting close to the time that he will be put in prison.

Type of dated event: EST

BR Calendar Day Number: 200

BR Years from Creation: 4140

BR: Sunday, May 4 — Iyar 17, 27 AD

GH: Sunday, April 11 — Nisan 20, 27 AD

Julian Day Number: 1731021.75

John 3:25

John's Disciples Discuss Purification with Jews

Type of dated event: EST

BR Calendar Day Number: 202

BR Years from Creation: 4140

BR: Tuesday, May 6 — Iyar 19, 27 AD

GH: Tuesday, April 13 — Nisan 22, 27 AD

Julian Day Number: 1731023.75

John 3:26

John's Disciples Discuss "Success" of Jesus' Baptizing

Type of dated event: EST

BR Calendar Day Number: 203

BR Years from Creation: 4140

BR: Wednesday, May 7 — Iyar 20, 27 AD

GH: Wednesday, April 14 — Nisan 23, 27 AD

Julian Day Number: 1731024.75

John 3:27-36

John Tells How Jesus is More Important Than Him

Type of dated event: EST

BR Calendar Day Number: 203

BR Years from Creation: 4140

BR: Wednesday, May 7 — Iyar 20, 27 AD

GH: Wednesday, April 14 — Nisan 23, 27 AD

Julian Day Number: 1731024.75

John 4:1-2

Pharisees Hear Jesus is baptizing More Than John

Type of dated event: EST

BR Calendar Day Number: 204

BR Years from Creation: 4140

BR: Thursday, May 8 — Iyar 21, 27 AD

GH: Thursday, April 15 — Nisan 24, 27 AD

Julian Day Number: 1731025.75

John 4:3-4

Jesus Departs for Galilee by Way of Samaria

Type of dated event: EST

BR Calendar Day Number: 204

BR Years from Creation: 4140

BR: Thursday, May 8 — Iyar 21, 27 AD

GH: Thursday, April 15 — Nisan 24, 27 AD

Julian Day Number: 1731025.75

John 4:5-6

Jesus and Disciples Arrive in Samaria

Type of dated event: EST

BR Calendar Day Number: 207

BR Years from Creation: 4140

BR: Sunday, May 11 — Iyar 24, 27 AD

GH: Sunday, April 18 — Nisan 27, 27 AD

Julian Day Number: 1731028.75

John 4:5-38

Jesus Speaks with Samaritan Woman at Jacob's well

Jesus meets with a Samaritan woman four months before the August wheat harvest, according to John 4:34. Notice the solar date of this event is mid-April.

Type of dated event: EST

BR Calendar Day Number: 207

BR Years from Creation: 4140

BR: Sunday, May 11 — Iyar 24, 27 AD

GH: Sunday, April 18 — Nisan 27, 27 AD

Julian Day Number: 1731028.75

John 4:39-42

Jesus Teaches in Samaria for Two Days

Type of dated event: EST

BR Calendar Day Number: 209

BR Years from Creation: 4140

BR: Tuesday, May 13 — Iyar 26, 27 AD

GH: Tuesday, April 20 — Nisan 29, 27 AD

Julian Day Number: 1731030.75

Matthew 14:3-4; Mark 6:17-20; Luke 3:18-20

Herod Puts John the Baptist in Prison

Type of dated event: EST

BR Calendar Day Number: 251

BR Years from Creation: 4140

BR: Tuesday, June 24 — Tammuz 9, 27 AD

GH: Tuesday, June 1 — Sivan 12, 27 AD

Julian Day Number: 1731072.75

Mark 1:14-15; Luke 4:14-15; John 4:45

Jesus is Welcomed in Galilee

Type of dated event: EST

BR Calendar Day Number: 264

BR Years from Creation: 4140

BR: Monday, July 7 — Tammuz 22, 27 AD

GH: Monday, June 14 — Sivan 25, 27 AD

Julian Day Number: 1731085.75

John 4:46-54

Jesus Heals a Nobleman's Son-Second Sign in Cana

A nobleman's son is healed in Capernaum while Jesus is in Cana.

Type of dated event: EST

BR Calendar Day Number: 267

BR Years from Creation: 4140

BR: Thursday, July 10 — Tammuz 25, 27 AD

GH: Thursday, June 17 — Sivan 25, 27 AD

Julian Day Number: 1731088.75

Matthew 4:18-22; Mark 1:16-20; Luke 5:1-11

Jesus Calls His First Disciples

Type of dated event: EST

BR Calendar Day Number: 299

BR Years from Creation: 4140

BR: Monday, August 12 — Av 28, 27 AD

GH: Monday, July 19 — Av 1, 27 AD

Julian Day Number: 1731120.75

Luke 4:16-30

Jesus Rejected in Nazareth Teaching From Isaiah

Type of dated event: EST

BR Calendar Day Number: 325

BR Years from Creation: 4140

BR: Saturday, September 7 — Elul 24, 27 AD

GH: Saturday, August 14 — Av 27, 27 AD

Julian Day Number: 1731146.75

Matthew 4:13-17; Luke 4:31

Jesus Returns to Teach in Capernaum

Type of dated event: EST

BR Calendar Day Number: 326

BR Years from Creation: 4140

BR: Sunday, September 8 — Elul 25, 27 AD

GH: Sunday, August 15 — Av 28, 27 AD

Julian Day Number: 1731147.75

Mark 1:21-28; Luke 4:31-37

Jesus Casts Out a Demon in Capernaum

Type of dated event: EST

BR Calendar Day Number: 360

BR Years from Creation: 4140

BR: Saturday, October 12 — Tishri 30, 27 AD

GH: Saturday, September 18 — Tishri 3, 27 AD

Julian Day Number: 1731181.75
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[3 Resurrections]

Hi Rella,

I do agree with one critical statement found in your link.  It says that 480 years after the wall was built in Jerusalem (as in Nehemiah 6:15), that Jesus was baptized just before His 30th birthday.  But this 480 years to Christ's baptism is NOT the required 483 years that Daniel predicted for Messiah the Prince to come, which would end the 69th "week" and begin the 70th "week".  Your link is mistaken that the 480th year at Christ's baptism fulfilled the beginning point of Daniel's prophetic 70th "week" .  It wasn't.  480 years is 3 years short of the actual 483 years until Messiah came on the scene for His public ministry.

The particular decree that was related to rebuilding Jerusalem's wall and the consequent finishing of that wall in 52 days of labor were both dated in the year 454 BC (the 20th year of Artaxerxes' reign. which started in 474 BC in a co-regency with his father).  Exactly 480 years after the Nehemiah decree in 454 BC, Christ was baptized (for which your link is correct).  Three years AFTER that baptism year resulted in the 483rd year - the end of the 69th "week" and the beginning of the 70th "week". 

If Christ did not begin His public ministry in the year AD 30 (3 years after His baptism), then He is a false Messiah, and is not the fulfillment of Daniel's 70 week prophecy.  His deity is at stake in this. 

[Rella]

Hi Rella,

I do agree with one critical statement found in your link.  It says that 480 years after the wall was built in Jerusalem (as in Nehemiah 6:15), that Jesus was baptized just before His 30th birthday.  But this 480 years to Christ's baptism is NOT the required 483 years that Daniel predicted for Messiah the Prince to come, which would end the 69th "week" and begin the 70th "week".  Your link is mistaken that the 480th year at Christ's baptism fulfilled the beginning point of Daniel's prophetic 70th "week" .  It wasn't.  480 years is 3 years short of the actual 483 years until Messiah came on the scene for His public ministry.

The particular decree that was related to rebuilding Jerusalem's wall and the consequent finishing of that wall in 52 days of labor were both dated in the year 454 BC (the 20th year of Artaxerxes' reign. which started in 474 BC in a co-regency with his father).  Exactly 480 years after the Nehemiah decree in 454 BC, Christ was baptized (for which your link is correct).  Three years AFTER that baptism year resulted in the 483rd year - the end of the 69th "week" and the beginning of the 70th "week". 

If Christ did not begin His public ministry in the year AD 30 (3 years after His baptism), then He is a false Messiah, and is not the fulfillment of Daniel's 70 week prophecy.  His deity is at stake in this.

   

Well, I dont agree with you and many do not.

And the most important thing would be is why he would have waited so long??? Did he need to complete his studies?

Timing is everything... and 3 years was not needed.....

[Amo]

This kingdom of Christ which was promised to "fill the whole earth" in Daniel 2:35 does not necessarily mean that the entire world's civic organizations and governments will become identified as Christian. God gives His salvation to individuals, not corporations. Not all humanity is promised to become a child of God. Some are bastards, and not sons. Some are goats and not sheep. There will always be some "tares" in comparison to the majority of the "wheat" harvest.  For Christ's kingdom to "fill the earth" means that the knowledge or awareness of Christ's gospel will permeate the globe - not that all governments or people will universally become Christian.

It will take Christ's final return in the fall of 3033 to purge human evil out of this planet entirely.  God has already purged Satanic and demonic evil out of this world back in AD 70, and in the final return of Christ, the presence of humanity's evil will also come to an end by being utterly destroyed.

Seems like your above two paragraphs contradict each other, and scripture of course. In the first you say there will always be some tares, and in the second you speak of a complete end to evil. The two are mutually exclusive.

Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

The Final Judgment

Mat 25:21 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43  I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Why will you reject the plain, simple, conclusive statements of scripture, which identify the workings of the devil right up to the second coming of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ? Why will you twist and manipulate the word of God into a scenario which it simply does not depict anywhere, save in submission to your own speculations and surmizings?

The devil and the wicked shall be destroyed at Christ's second coming. Up until that time, not 70 AD, the devil and his minions will be at work deceiving the peoples and nations of this world. The wheat and tares of this world and all nations were not separated in 70 AD, with the tares being burned, and the wheat entering into eternal life. The falling away in the future which Paul refers to, cannot be concerning the Jews who rejected Jesus during his day, because that event was already behind the Church of Christ at that time. The events concerning the temple of God, could not be referring to the temple during Paul's days of preaching, because that temple was no longer the temple of God. Jesus had already pronounced that temple to be desolate of God's presence, and doomed to destruction. The curtain between the most holy and the holy had been torn asunder at Christ's death, signifying the end of that temples significance. And no man of sin, had set himself up within said temple, showing himself to be God before its destruction.

The New testament has many warnings about the guile and temptations of satan. Who are you to declare all such warnings as applicable only up until 70 AD, with no scriptural backup? Are you not playing directly into the evil one's hands, in doing such? Hear the words of the true prophets and apostles, to us all, and abandon your mistaken and dangerous ramblings.

Luk 8:9 And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be? 10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. 11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

Eph 4:25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. 26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: 27 Neither give place to the devil.

Eph 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

1Ti 3:1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

2Ti 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Jas 4:1 From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? 2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. 3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts. 4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. 5 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy? 6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. 7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. 11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. 13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


Act 26:13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me. 14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. 15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest. 16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; 17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee, 18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

Your false teachings make the above scriptural warnings and admonitions of none effect. They set all who believe you up, for satanic deception and ruin. If Satan is no longer, then all supernatural events must be of God. Therefore all who believe as you do, will attribute Satan's present and future supernatural delusions and or deceptions as either fake, or worse yet from God Himself. Either or leading any soul doing so, straight to destruction.

Lying Prophets

Jer 14:13 Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! behold, the prophets say unto them, Ye shall not see the sword, neither shall ye have famine; but I will give you assured peace in this place. 14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart. 15 Therefore thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that prophesy in my name, and I sent them not, yet they say, Sword and famine shall not be in this land; By sword and famine shall those prophets be consumed.

Be careful 3Res when handling the word of God, especially the prophetic word of God. If you are wrong, you will surely be consumed by that danger God's prophetic word warns against, which your teachings have denied. If the devil is truly defeated and gone as you teach, then all is well for you no doubt. If he is not, then you are most certainly his servant in teaching such, and will therefore most certainly share his fate as well. Please do prayerfully study this out thoroughly, and be very sure you are correct.

[3 Resurrections]

   

Well, I dont agree with you and many do not.

And the most important thing would be is why he would have waited so long??? Did he need to complete his studies?

Timing is everything... and 3 years was not needed.....

Why would Christ have waited so long to begin His public ministry? As you have said, it really wasn't that Jesus needed to "complete His studies".  My best guess as to the motives for that extended period prior to Christ beginning His public ministry (aside from exactly fulfilling the dated year of Daniel's 483rd year for His coming) is that scripture seems to have a pattern for a kind of novitiate period before an individual enters their full capacity of ministry. 

Take the disciples for instance.  They had a total of 3-1/2 years of Christ's teaching them before they were commissioned to go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 

Take Paul's case also.  Didn't he spend 3 years in Arabia being taught by God before he began the full scope of his ministry?   

And what about Joseph in Egypt?  Aside from his service in Potiphar's house, Joseph spent more than 2-plus years of humiliating conditions in prison before Pharaoh raised him to power and granted Joseph the control over all Egypt to prepare during the 7 years of plenty for for the approaching 7 years of drought. 

And in the NT, any person wishing to go into the ministry is required to be "NOT A NOVICE", lest they fall into the same temptation of pride as the devil did.  That requires a kind of novitiate proving period for them to give ample testimony to all that they are justified in taking that role of service.  It's rather like we have an election process, but the presidential inauguration does not take place until later.  Or how we spend 4 years in high school before passing on to yet 4 years more of college, before yet another period of years for post-graduate study to specialize in a profession.   

The scripture rule seems to be "before honor is humility".  So, if Christ followed this same proscribed period of proving Himself to all before His full ministry began, a period of 3 years between His baptism and the beginning of His miraculous ministry at Cana would seem to follow the scripture pattern. 

[Texas Conservative]

Faith IN Christ or Faith in dates?

[3 Resurrections]

Seems like your above two paragraphs contradict each other, and scripture of course. In the first you say there will always be some tares, and in the second you speak of a complete end to evil. The two are mutually exclusive.

Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

The Final Judgment

Mat 25:21 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43  I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Why will you reject the plain, simple, conclusive statements of scripture, which identify the workings of the devil right up to the second coming of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ? Why will you twist and manipulate the word of God into a scenario which it simply does not depict anywhere, save in submission to your own speculations and surmizings?

The devil and the wicked shall be destroyed at Christ's second coming. Up until that time, not 70 AD, the devil and his minions will be at work deceiving the peoples and nations of this world. The wheat and tares of this world and all nations were not separated in 70 AD, with the tares being burned, and the wheat entering into eternal life. The falling away in the future which Paul refers to, cannot be concerning the Jews who rejected Jesus during his day, because that event was already behind the Church of Christ at that time. The events concerning the temple of God, could not be referring to the temple during Paul's days of preaching, because that temple was no longer the temple of God. Jesus had already pronounced that temple to be desolate of God's presence, and doomed to destruction. The curtain between the most holy and the holy had been torn asunder at Christ's death, signifying the end of that temples significance. And no man of sin, had set himself up within said temple, showing himself to be God before its destruction.

The New testament has many warnings about the guile and temptations of satan. Who are you to declare all such warnings as applicable only up until 70 AD, with no scriptural backup? Are you not playing directly into the evil one's hands, in doing such? Hear the words of the true prophets and apostles, to us all, and abandon your mistaken and dangerous ramblings.

Luk 8:9 And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be? 10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. 11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

Eph 4:25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. 26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: 27 Neither give place to the devil.

Eph 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

1Ti 3:1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

2Ti 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Jas 4:1 From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? 2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. 3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts. 4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. 5 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy? 6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. 7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. 11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. 13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.



Act 26:13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me. 14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. 15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest. 16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; 17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee, 18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

Your false teachings make the above scriptural warnings and admonitions of none effect. They set all who believe you up, for satanic deception and ruin. If Satan is no longer, then all supernatural events must be of God. Therefore all who believe as you do, will attribute Satan's present and future supernatural delusions and or deceptions as either fake, or worse yet from God Himself. Either or leading any soul doing so, straight to destruction.

Lying Prophets

Jer 14:13 Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! behold, the prophets say unto them, Ye shall not see the sword, neither shall ye have famine; but I will give you assured peace in this place. 14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart. 15 Therefore thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that prophesy in my name, and I sent them not, yet they say, Sword and famine shall not be in this land; By sword and famine shall those prophets be consumed.

Be careful 3Res when handling the word of God, especially the prophetic word of God. If you are wrong, you will surely be consumed by that danger God's prophetic word warns against, which your teachings have denied. If the devil is truly defeated and gone as you teach, then all is well for you no doubt. If he is not, then you are most certainly his servant in teaching such, and will therefore most certainly share his fate as well. Please do prayerfully study this out thoroughly, and be very sure you are correct.

Amo, I appreciate that your objections to what I post are rooted in your concern for what fate I may or may not experience if I am wrong.  If you read my post to Rella above about scripture showing a certain 3-year novitiate period of proving before an individual takes up any kind of ministry or a calling, that is a time period I carefully tried to abide by before I ever posted online  anything at all to anyone about these views.  I studied scripture voraciously between 2012 and 2015, sifting what I was reading and comparing texts with each other to make certain that everything I was seeing had no internal contradictions whatever.  Only then did I get online and start posting some of these things in public.  Even today I pray constantly for God to never feed me a lie from His book, or allow me to persist in any error of my own making.  What more can I do?   These different viewpoints have nothing to do with elevating me personally, since I deliberately post anonymously wherever possible on the websites where I am a member.

If you are sensing a contradiction in what I said about there always being tares in this world and yet having human evil in this world come to an end, that is perhaps because I did not clarify my point.  Up until the final resurrection at Christ's final return in our future (when God will finally obliterate all remaining elements of human evil from this world), God has promised that Christ's kingdom will increase continually until it "fills the whole earth".   This "filling" is the inhabitants of the whole world becoming exposed to the gospel - not that all will necessarily respond in faith to that exposure to the gospel.  For example, those following Islam are inadvertently taught about the gospel, because the Koran tells them about these so-called "infidels" which they are to do war against.   Unknown to themselves, the more they wage warfare against believers in Christ, they are unintentionally spreading the knowledge of the Christ we serve. 

The transition point when there is finally inhabiting this globe nothing but the resurrected righteous saints is a condition which Christ will accomplish at His final return.  Until then, the progress of Christ's "stone" kingdom will continue to grow, just as presented in the leaven parable. 

In the leaven parable which was supposed to portray the effects of the kingdom of God in this mortal world, the "loaf" is not composed of nothing but leaven.  This parable is a picture of the measures of meal (representing the people of this world over time) being incrementally and increasingly affected by the activity of leaven (Christ's kingdom) within those measures of meal, right up until the time that the "loaf" reaches peak development in size and is baked.

Every one of the scripture references regarding Satan's activity which you submitted above I DO apply to Christ's second coming.  I don't deny that.   It's just that you don't believe Christ when He said that His second coming was about to take place in His generation, before some of those whom He taught face to face had died. 

Any evil taking place today is NOT attributable to God as its cause.  It is caused by the desires within the fallen, wicked hearts of humanity, from which Christ said all manner of evil emerges.  Originally in the Garden of Eden, Satan jump-started that evil within the human heart by tempting the original couple to fall into sin and death.  But once Satan got that ball of evil rolling, his presence in this world is not required for evil to take place, because the "children of the devil" have the capability of doing that all by themselves. 

That is the very purpose why God slew Satan back in AD 70;  to prove to fallen humanity that they are every bit as capable of offending God the Creator as Satan ever was, even without having Satan or his devils around anymore.  Our sin is actually worse than Satan's, because we sin against grace extended to the human race through Christ's mercy.  The fallen angels and Satan were never offered that extended grace to their species. 

[3 Resurrections]

Faith IN Christ or Faith in dates?

TC, I have faith in Christ who, as God, could fulfill His coming on the very specific prophesied year for His coming.  God in the OT boasted that He alone had this ability to call things before they happened, and to bring them about in the time predicted.  This establishes proof for us of His omniscient deity.  Fulfilled events on particular prophesied dates are a wonderful confirmation which God grants to us to bolster our faith in Him.

"Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.  And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them." (Isaiah 44:6-7).  This is a gauntlet which God throws down to humankind, challenging anyone to match His ability to "call the shots" before those things come to pass.

"I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.  Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them."  (Isaiah 42:8-9).

[Rella]

TC, I have faith in Christ...    who, as God, could... fulfill His coming on the very specific prophesied year for His coming.  God in the OT boasted that He alone had this ability to call things before they happened, and to bring them about in the time predicted.  This establishes proof for us of His omniscient deity.  Fulfilled events on particular prophesied dates are a wonderful confirmation which God grants to us to bolster our faith in Him.

Yes, he could. But just like He could he also said in Matt 24: 36"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

You can count the days that are mentioned all you want from one thing to the other... but it will not lead you to the day we all are looking forward to.

Especially when you refuse to see the year was 30AD and not 33AD.

[3 Resurrections]

Yes, he could. But just like He could he also said in Matt 24: 36"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

You can count the days that are mentioned all you want from one thing to the other... but it will not lead you to the day we all are looking forward to.

Especially when you refuse to see the year was 30AD and not 33AD.

Hey there Rella,

I guess I should have specified which "coming" I was referring to in that sentence.  I meant Christ's FIRST coming.  The one when He "came unto His own, and His own received Him not".  This FIRST coming of "Messiah the Prince" was dated by Daniel to be 483 years after the decree would go out to rebuild Jerusalem and its walls and street.  If someone doesn't find the right date for that specific decree, then the year for Christ's FIRST coming 483 years later than that decree will get blurred.

But of the day and hour of Christ's second coming, that exact "day and hour" was obscured temporarily, because Christ's second coming would be based on the day and hour's  appearance of the new moon which the priests watched for assiduously every month.  This new moon's first appearance dictated when the OT Passover week could begin (which varied from year to year), and consequently when the day of Pentecost arrived 50 days later.    But Daniel gave a very specific 1,335 days until the time came for the blessing of a resurrection. 

Once the believers saw Daniel 12:11's  two events happening together in the same season (Jerusalem surrounded by armies at the same season when a daily sacrifice was taken away - which happened together in AD 66), all they had to do was count down Daniel's 1,335 days until Christ returned.  Which countdown resulted in Pentecost day in AD 70.

The phrase "no man knoweth" is in the present tense for the time when that verse was first spoken.   At that time, it was true that this day and hour remained hidden.  But that does not mean no one would EVER know when the day and hour would be arriving.  It also does not mean no man should have even TRIED to know the day and the hour, or that it would be a sin to do so.  That would be adding to scripture's intent.   

[Rella]

Hey there Rella,

I guess I should have specified which "coming" I was referring to in that sentence.  I meant Christ's FIRST coming.  The one when He "came unto His own, and His own received Him not".  This FIRST coming of "Messiah the Prince" was dated by Daniel to be 483 years after the decree would go out to rebuild Jerusalem and its walls and street.  If someone doesn't find the right date for that specific decree, then the year for Christ's FIRST coming 483 years later than that decree will get blurred.

But of the day and hour of Christ's second coming, that exact "day and hour" was obscured temporarily, because Christ's second coming would be based on the day and hour's  appearance of the new moon which the priests watched for assiduously every month.  This new moon's first appearance dictated when the OT Passover week could begin (which varied from year to year), and consequently when the day of Pentecost arrived 50 days later.    But Daniel gave a very specific 1,335 days until the time came for the blessing of a resurrection. 

Once the believers saw Daniel 12:11's  two events happening together in the same season (Jerusalem surrounded by armies at the same season when a daily sacrifice was taken away - which happened together in AD 66), all they had to do was count down Daniel's 1,335 days until Christ returned.  Which countdown resulted in Pentecost day in AD 70.

The phrase "no man knoweth" is in the present tense for the time when that verse was first spoken.   At that time, it was true that this day and hour remained hidden.  But that does not mean no one would EVER know when the day and hour would be arriving.  It also does not mean no man should have even TRIED to know the day and the hour, or that it would be a sin to do so.  That would be adding to scripture's intent.

Still does not make your 2033 right when it should read 2030.

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Still does not make your 2033 right when it should read 2030.

I won't complain, Rella, if you get prepared 3 years early for the transition over to the last, 7th millennium in AD 2033.  It gives you 3 additional years to perfect your chicken raising and potato cultivation techniques before things go fallow on us all.   My dental technician has begun both of these activities already, she says.    Anyway, you and I will have been long dead by the time the final resurrection event rolls around in AD 3033. 

I'm curious as to what year you connect with the decree which started the 483-year period of 69 "weeks", if you have decided on one from your studies. 

[Rella]

I won't complain, Rella, if you get prepared 3 years early for the transition over to the last, 7th millennium in AD 2033.  It gives you 3 additional years to perfect your chicken raising and potato cultivation techniques before things go fallow on us all.   My dental technician has begun both of these activities already, she says.    Anyway, you and I will have been long dead by the time the final resurrection event rolls around in AD 3033. 

I'm curious as to what year you connect with the decree which started the 483-year period of 69 "weeks", if you have decided on one from your studies.

"what year you connect with the decree which started the 483-year period of 69 "weeks" Truth be told I have never given it a thought.... But now you have me all curious.... so.... when I have time 

I have always been curious about Jesus second coming but not tried to set dates specifically because I do believe that we are not to.

If the very disciples that Jesus not only would have confided in, but shared things not for the common ear were kept in the dark, we are supposed to also.

Look how many have picked a date with certainty only to have it come and go and mankind still goes on.

Matt 24:36  "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

Mark 24:36 But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

Matt 24:42  "Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming.

Matt 24:44  For this reason you also must be ready; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will

Matt 25:13 " Be on the alert then, for you do not know the day nor the hour.

Mark 13: 33-37 33 "Take heed, keep on the alert; for you do not know when the appointed time will come. 34 It is like a man away on a journey, who upon leaving his house and [t]putting his slaves in charge, assigning to each one his task, also commanded the doorkeeper to stay on the alert. 35 Therefore, be on the alert—for you do not know when the master of the house is coming, whether in the evening, at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or in the morning— 36 in case he should come suddenly and find you asleep. 37 What I say to you I say to all, 'Be on the alert!'"

Acts 1:7  He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority;

It is not for you to know seems pretty definitive on what is permitted to me.

1 Thessalonians 5: 1-2  Now as to the times and the epochs, brethren, you have no need of anything to be written to you. 2 For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night.

Mark 13: 32 But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

Mark 13: 33 "Take heed, keep on the alert; for you do not know when the appointed time will come.

So, if you feel you have it all figured out... perhaps you do.

I just never tried to pinpoint His return specifically.

I am not Marshall White, or Jim Jones, or even a David Koresh.

Heck ... I am not even a William Miller. You know him dont you? He was the catalyst that spurred Ellen White's prominence when he missed it with his prediction Jesus would return in 1844.   She had been raised as a devout Methodist, but her family was forced out of the Methodist Church when she accepted William Miller's preaching about the imminent return of Jesus.

Imagine her disappointment when it did not happen. (no, I am not a folloerer of hers, but in a way I have a certain admiration for her dedication to her core beliefs.... as I do you.)

But rather than remain disappointed, Ellen,  and several others went back to their Bibles and dug deeper for truth. Where might they have gone wrong?

They discovered that 1844 actually marked the approximate time in which Jesus began His work in the Most Holy Place of the heavenly sanctuary (Hebrews 9:23-26). It wasn't a date for Jesus' return to earth.

I am sure Amo could tell us more for I just have scratched the surface of her in my curiosity over the years.(BTW.. not just her, but also Joseph Smith)

Well.. lets not let some of his beliefs stay silent....

"I have asked of the Lord concerning His coming; and while asking the Lord, He gave a sign and said, 'In the days of Noah I set a bow in the heavens as a sign and token that in any year that the bow should be seen the Lord would not come; but there should be seed time and harvest during that year: but whenever you see the bow withdrawn, it shall be a token that there shall be famine, pestilence, and great distress among the nations, and that the coming of the Messiah is not far distant.' "10

"Judah must return, Jerusalem must be rebuilt, and the temple, and water come out from under the temple, and the waters of the Dead Sea be healed [see Ezekiel 47:1–9]. It will take some time to rebuild the walls of the city and the temple, etc.; and all this must be done before the Son of Man will make His appearance. There will be wars and rumors of wars, signs in the heavens above and on the earth beneath, the sun turned into darkness and the moon to blood, earthquakes in divers places, the seas heaving beyond their bounds; then will appear one grand sign of the Son of Man in heaven. But what will the world do? They will say it is a planet, a comet, etc. But the Son of Man will come as the sign of the coming of the Son of Man, which will be as the light of the morning cometh out of the east [see Joseph Smith—Matthew 1:26]."11

"The coming of the Son of Man never will be—never can be till the judgments spoken of for this hour are poured out: which judgments are commenced. Paul says, 'Ye are the children of the light, and not of the darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief in the night.' [See 1 Thessalonians 5:4–5.] It is not the design of the Almighty to come upon the earth and crush it and grind it to powder, but he will reveal it to His servants the prophets [see Amos 3:7]."13

"Jesus Christ never did reveal to any man the precise time that He would come [see Matthew 24:36; Doctrine and Covenants 49:7]. Go and read the Scriptures, and you cannot find anything that specifies the exact hour He would come; and all that say so are false teachers."14

Regarding a man who claimed to have seen the sign of the Son of Man, the Prophet Joseph Smith said: "He has not seen the sign of the Son of Man, as foretold by Jesus; neither has any man, nor will any man, until after the sun shall have been darkened and the moon bathed in blood; for the Lord hath not shown me any such sign; and as the prophet saith, so it must be—'Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but He revealeth His secret unto His servants the prophets.' (See Amos 3:7.) Therefore hear this, O earth: The Lord will not come to reign over the righteous, in this world, in 1843, nor until everything for the Bridegroom is ready."15

OKAY, Ill stop for now.

I have never tried, nor even wanted to try to put a date to anything. I have prayed it would be imminent... but that did not work either. It would not surprise me at all if someone did date the 2nd ( for me) coming and they were correct that God very well would just delay things to let no man be correct when His son did not even know.

[Amo]

Amo, I appreciate that your objections to what I post are rooted in your concern for what fate I may or may not experience if I am wrong.  If you read my post to Rella above about scripture showing a certain 3-year novitiate period of proving before an individual takes up any kind of ministry or a calling, that is a time period I carefully tried to abide by before I ever posted online  anything at all to anyone about these views.  I studied scripture voraciously between 2012 and 2015, sifting what I was reading and comparing texts with each other to make certain that everything I was seeing had no internal contradictions whatever.  Only then did I get online and start posting some of these things in public.  Even today I pray constantly for God to never feed me a lie from His book, or allow me to persist in any error of my own making.  What more can I do?   These different viewpoints have nothing to do with elevating me personally, since I deliberately post anonymously wherever possible on the websites where I am a member.

If you are sensing a contradiction in what I said about there always being tares in this world and yet having human evil in this world come to an end, that is perhaps because I did not clarify my point.  Up until the final resurrection at Christ's final return in our future (when God will finally obliterate all remaining elements of human evil from this world), God has promised that Christ's kingdom will increase continually until it "fills the whole earth".   This "filling" is the inhabitants of the whole world becoming exposed to the gospel - not that all will necessarily respond in faith to that exposure to the gospel.  For example, those following Islam are inadvertently taught about the gospel, because the Koran tells them about these so-called "infidels" which they are to do war against.   Unknown to themselves, the more they wage warfare against believers in Christ, they are unintentionally spreading the knowledge of the Christ we serve. 

The transition point when there is finally inhabiting this globe nothing but the resurrected righteous saints is a condition which Christ will accomplish at His final return.  Until then, the progress of Christ's "stone" kingdom will continue to grow, just as presented in the leaven parable. 

In the leaven parable which was supposed to portray the effects of the kingdom of God in this mortal world, the "loaf" is not composed of nothing but leaven.  This parable is a picture of the measures of meal (representing the people of this world over time) being incrementally and increasingly affected by the activity of leaven (Christ's kingdom) within those measures of meal, right up until the time that the "loaf" reaches peak development in size and is baked.

Every one of the scripture references regarding Satan's activity which you submitted above I DO apply to Christ's second coming.  I don't deny that.   It's just that you don't believe Christ when He said that His second coming was about to take place in His generation, before some of those whom He taught face to face had died. 

Any evil taking place today is NOT attributable to God as its cause.  It is caused by the desires within the fallen, wicked hearts of humanity, from which Christ said all manner of evil emerges.  Originally in the Garden of Eden, Satan jump-started that evil within the human heart by tempting the original couple to fall into sin and death.  But once Satan got that ball of evil rolling, his presence in this world is not required for evil to take place, because the "children of the devil" have the capability of doing that all by themselves. 

That is the very purpose why God slew Satan back in AD 70;  to prove to fallen humanity that they are every bit as capable of offending God the Creator as Satan ever was, even without having Satan or his devils around anymore.  Our sin is actually worse than Satan's, because we sin against grace extended to the human race through Christ's mercy.  The fallen angels and Satan were never offered that extended grace to their species.

Dan 2:34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces. 35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

Luk 13:20 And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God? 21 It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

It appears that you have basically built a doctrine upon questionable interpretation of the above four verses of scripture. Declaring that the above verses mean that Christ's kingdom once established in the earth, will slowly grow and grow until it finally surpasses all others and fills the earth. Apparently subduing and or surpassing all other kingdoms of this world before our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ appears again. Is this not correct?

Before addressing the problems and contradictions of this interpretation, I should like to point out that this mindset is basically identical to that of the founders of the Holy Roman Empire. They believed it was their place to establish their version of Christ's kingdom above all other kingdoms of this world as well. As this was God's desire, according as interpreted it. Which kingdom resulted in the Dark Ages, and the persecution and murder of countless millions of peoples, including millions of professed Christians. Forming the first beast power described in the book of Revelation chapter 13. Which beast received a deadly wound to its head, which is healed with the help of the second beast of Revelation 13, unto the final beast of biblical prophesy described in the book of Revelation.

This event is transpiring right before our very eyes today. As the Vatican continues to reach new heights of power and influence on a global scale in the unification of this worlds nations, religions, and economies under her guiding and self proclaimed and established leadership. The United States itself being the second beast of biblical prophecy helping the Holy Roman Empire to heal its deadly wound and rise to even greater power on the world stage than she attained before. Believing of course again, that this is her place and purpose according to her own brand of so called "Christianity". Which brand of "Christianity" includes a government enforced day of rest and worship, contrary the the fourth commandment of God. The enforcement of which, will lead to the mark of the beast in direct opposition and contradiction to the seal of the living God. All choosing one or the other according to their choice of allegiance. But now back to addressing the problems with your interpretation.

The first contradiction I should like to address, is your support of the term "the whole earth" in Daniel 2:35, to mean just exactly what it states. That is to say, that it simply means exactly what it states, as in the whole world. This you allow for concerning your own interpretation, but disregard or argue against concerning similar and even more scripturally established statements to the same effect, regarding the final beast power of the book of Revelation. Does the whole earth or world, mean the whole earth or world, or not? Why do you apparently think and or agree that it does in Daniel 2:35, but refuse that it does elsewhere? I agree that the term does not always actually mean the entire world. Being at times more of a figurative statement concerning a very large area and or one's entire world according the their perspective. At which time, context becomes very important to the determination one way or the other. Do you not agree? It seems you must, since you accept that Dan 2:35 is the whole world, but reject such similar statements within scripture elsewhere.

Yes, the context within which these statements are made, is very important in determining their literal application, or not. As well as establishing such, with the greater testimony of increased scriptural support from throughout the Bible. So let's begin by examining the details of Dan2:35 and other scriptures within this same chapter to determine proper application or not, in your interpretation.  I can agree that the mountain described in Daniel 2 does eventually fill the whole earth, as this teaching is well established in many other scriptures as well.  The following highlighted verses from Daniel 2 though, create problems for your interpretations elsewhere.

Dan 2:34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces. 35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. 45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

The timing seems to be off, in your interpretation. The stone which fills the whole earth, does not do so, until after all the other kingdoms are completely destroyed and gone. This was not historically the case at all, concerning the Roman Empire during the days of Christ when His kingdom was established upon this earth, or for hundreds of years past that time. Even well past AD 70, which you basically claim is when all these kingdoms ended. This is a pretty big problem with your interpretation, which certainly needs clarification. The Roman Empire did not completely fall until at least 476 I believe. Even that, was really just the western Roman Empire, not the eastern which lasted much longer. Apart from this also, certain aspects of all the empires of Daniel 2's vision lived on at least religiously through pagan Rome, who allowed for all of their religions to continue and be practiced within their Empire. Many of which still exist to this very day in and through the establishment of the Roman Catholic Church, which incorporated and or adapted many pagan practices, rites, and or ceremonies within her own. This is not to mention the establishment of the Holy Roman Empire as well, which was around in greater or lesser degrees until 1798, when the pope was exiled, and the Vatican and papal states were dissolved as it were.

None of which of course, fits the narrative described in the verses under examination, concerning the complete end of all the former kingdoms before the stone forms the mountain which fills the whole earth. Which prophecy you declare meets its fulfillment in AD70 with the destruction of literal Jerusalem alone. These are not minor issues or problems concerning your interpretation. They are blaring contradictions, which you have stated do not exist regarding your interpretation, as far as your own studies go. So what about these apparent contradictions? How did you solve them?

As is always the case, this post is getting long, and I have barely begun to address the many issues I have with your interpretation. The kingdoms described in Daniel 2 did not end in AD 70, nor is there any indication that Satan came to his end in AD 70. More on this though, and other problems, in other posts later. Please do address these apparent contradictions when time allows, Thanks.

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Amo, I can spend just a little time answering some of your above comments because I have a birthday gift to make for my grandson's birthday tomorrow.  Also, I am having difficulty just sitting in a chair today because I re-injured a leg nerve with staining my deck yesterday.  I'm not quite up to outside labor for 7 hours straight anymore.  Sometimes getting old is not the golden years that we wish it could be.

If I remember my own posting on Daniel's stone crushing the elements of that statue to dust on the wind, I believe I have emphasized that it is the POWER BEHIND all those world empires which was simultaneously crushed all at one time.  We know the the former Chaldean, Medo-Persian, and Greek kingdoms of that statue had each lost their control one after the other over the centuries by the time the Roman empire came into being.  So it was not strictly the governmental structures themselves for those varied empireswhich Christ as the stone destroyed with one strike.    It was the Satanic power working behind the scenes of each of those kingdoms which was destroyed with one blow of Christ the rock cut without hands. 

Satan was called "the Prince of this world", and he boasted to Christ in the wilderness temptation that the power of the kingdoms of the world were his and he could give it to whom he chose.  When Christ slew Satan in AD 70, the nations were no longer operating with Satan as the "Prince of this world" working behind the scenes anymore.  Therefore, Christ confiscated those "many crowns" (Rev. 19:12) for Himself. 

So it makes no difference if the Roman empire lasted past the AD 70 era as a government structure in this world.  It was Satan and his devils' power operating behind the scenes of the Roman empire which God completely destroyed back in AD 70.   Any evil taking place in the nations since then has been originating from that which emerges from the hearts of mankind.  When the Catholic church later grew to become a persecuting force in this world, this was due to the evil impulses of the human heart causing religion to go wrong - not because the Roman Catholic church was the fulfillment of the Revelation 13 Sea Beast.  That Sea Beast was done away with once the Satanic realm was destroyed, just like Daniel's statue was destroyed completely in one strike of the rock.     
   

[Rella]

Also, I am having difficulty just sitting in a chair today because I re-injured a leg nerve with staining my deck yesterday.  be.




   

Alternate ice and heat.

One for 20 min... no more then off for at least 40 min  or 1 hour 40 min.

Then the other for 20 min... no more and off like above.

Do this any chance you can all day long for the number of days it bothers you but it WILL help.

If it is from your sciatic nerve do the ice/heat at the base of your spine on the side the pain is in your leg.

The heat is soothing and the ice helps any inflammation.

DO NOT go to bed laying on a heating pad.... if you fall asleep you will get burned.

[Amo]

Amo, I can spend just a little time answering some of your above comments because I have a birthday gift to make for my grandson's birthday tomorrow.  Also, I am having difficulty just sitting in a chair today because I re-injured a leg nerve with staining my deck yesterday.  I'm not quite up to outside labor for 7 hours straight anymore.  Sometimes getting old is not the golden years that we wish it could be.

If I remember my own posting on Daniel's stone crushing the elements of that statue to dust on the wind, I believe I have emphasized that it is the POWER BEHIND all those world empires which was simultaneously crushed all at one time.  We know the the former Chaldean, Medo-Persian, and Greek kingdoms of that statue had each lost their control one after the other over the centuries by the time the Roman empire came into being.  So it was not strictly the governmental structures themselves for those varied empireswhich Christ as the stone destroyed with one strike.    It was the Satanic power working behind the scenes of each of those kingdoms which was destroyed with one blow of Christ the rock cut without hands. 

Satan was called "the Prince of this world", and he boasted to Christ in the wilderness temptation that the power of the kingdoms of the world were his and he could give it to whom he chose.  When Christ slew Satan in AD 70, the nations were no longer operating with Satan as the "Prince of this world" working behind the scenes anymore.  Therefore, Christ confiscated those "many crowns" (Rev. 19:12) for Himself. 

So it makes no difference if the Roman empire lasted past the AD 70 era as a government structure in this world.  It was Satan and his devils' power operating behind the scenes of the Roman empire which God completely destroyed back in AD 70.   Any evil taking place in the nations since then has been originating from that which emerges from the hearts of mankind.  When the Catholic church later grew to become a persecuting force in this world, this was due to the evil impulses of the human heart causing religion to go wrong - not because the Roman Catholic church was the fulfillment of the Revelation 13 Sea Beast.  That Sea Beast was done away with once the Satanic realm was destroyed, just like Daniel's statue was destroyed completely in one strike of the rock.     

All of your speculations above are extra biblical, and as far as I can tell of private interpretation. The scriptures under examination do not make the distinctions you are privately making. Nor can history provide any support for your speculations, as they would be beyond observation and therefore recording. We are all therefore left with nothing but 3Res says so, as the proof and authority of your interpretations. Daniel 2:35 does not specify that it is only talking about the powers behind the scenes that would come to and end, nor does scripture state anywhere anything like satan coming to his end thousands of years before the world ends along with fallen humanity. These crucial points of your interpretation must taken by faith alone in your speculations. More scriptural support is necessary for these speculations if they are to be considered worthy of time and attention.

Daniel 7 addresses these same four kingdoms, and another power which arises out of the fourth kingdom. Reaching again to the end, judgment, and the establishment of Christ's kingdom over all. The fourth kingdom, and the little horn power which grows out of it, apparently exist in some form or another right up until the end. When all earthly kingdoms come to their end, and Christ's kingdom is literally established in this world over and above all forever, Amen. While the other kingdoms passed in succession, they are said to have lived on for a season, but the fourth beast or kingdom comes to a complete end at the judgment and establishment of Christ's kingdom over all. This is no doubt after His second coming when this fallen world ends, is judged, and replaced with the new heaven and earth over which Christ reigns supreme.

Dan 7:12  As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

The lives of the other kingdoms were prolonged in this world in that even though they were conquered, the peoples were not completely destroyed, but rather continued to play a part in this world concerning their influence upon it and the kingdoms which conquered them. Concerning their religious beliefs and cultures, as history testifies. The final kingdom though, continues in one form or another until the very end being conquered finally and completely at Christ's return. Their power and influence being completely ended by the judgment, execution of said judgment, and complete end of this world, being replaced by the new heaven and earth.

Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ's first coming unto salvation was during the Roman empire. The little horn power of Daniel 7 arose during the Roman empire as well. This little horn power was in fact the papacy, apostate "Christianity" which developed into the Holy Roman Empire, the first beast of Revelation chapter thirteen. The book of Revelation picks up where the book of Daniel left off, concerning the biblical beasts of prophecy during this new covenant age, unto the end. The prophetic events and beasts described and foretold in the book of Revelation, did not end in AD 70, they are God's prophetic utterance and instruction for Christ's church unto the end of the new covenant era. Which is also the end of this world.

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. 4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; 5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.