Deceptive Doctrines of Devils

[Hobie]

We are given a text which warns us of what would be coming in the end times....

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

We find that many false doctrines are being spread in the Christian church and they are .truly 'doctrines of devils', that can be found almost everywhere these days...

Secret rapture (All saved Christians will suddenly disappear with no Second Coming);
Hyper grace (You're free to do whatever you want, all is forgiven);
Amillennialism (The "second coming" and "millennial kingdom" are just metaphors);
Universalism (All are saved, and all religions lead to God);
New Age (Humans are divine and have no sin nature);
Prosperity gospel (Faith will bring you wealth and health, minus)
Social Justice (Common Good replaces Gospel)
And they just keep seducing the faithful in many churchs..

[Texas Conservative]

Ellen G White advocated for abstaining from foods.

1 Timothy 4:3
[3]men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.

[dpr]

It is a TEST.

God is allowing the falseness in these times to do some pruning of those who won't listen to Him in His Word. Jesus gave 7 Messages to the 7 Churches in Asia (minor), and there were only 2 Churches He gave no rebuke. Five out of seven Churches were in error, and He rebuked them and warned them if they did not repent and thus make a change. Those 7 Messages are still... in effect for ALL Christian Churches today, and all the way up to His future return. The 2 Churches He had no rebuke for understood a particular matter He spoke of, which was not mentioned to the other 5 Churches.

[Hobie]

Ellen G White advocated for abstaining from foods.

1 Timothy 4:3
[3]men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.

We see that God did say to abstain from foods that were not to be eaten..
Leviticus 11:10
And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:

[dpr]

The matter about God's healthy food list vs. the unhealthy list, per New Covenant doctrine, goes deeper than what many brethren think. And I prefer the KJV translations of 1 Timothy 4...

1 Tim 4:3-5
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
KJV

That "which God hath created to be received" means His healthy food list of Deut.14 and Lev.11.

Yet in 1 Corinthians 10, Apostle Paul said for us to eat whatever is sold in the "shambles" (market), asking no questions. And if you are asked to dinner by someone, eat what they put before you, asking no questions, for conscience sake. But if a host says the food was sacrificed to idols, then do not eat it for the sake of the host, so as to show that the earth is The Lord's, and the fullness thereof.

This is how The New Covenant is different with freedoms that did not exist under the old covenant.

Now the animals on God's unhealthy list did not change, they are scavengers God designed to cleanse the earth, so those animals on the unhealthy list can eat and process poisons. For example, I love shellfish, like shrimp, crab, lobster, clams, but they are all on God's unhealthy list of foods, simply because God created them as scavengers to cleanse the seas and oceans. Shellfish, like pork, will clog your arteries if you eat too much of it. Whereas, fish with scales will cleanse... your arteries, and has been proven medically.

So when you get invited to dinner by a non-believer, eat what they serve you, asking no questions for conscience sake, Apostle Paul says. But in your own meals, try to watch that you don't eat too much scavenger meats (nor junk food), and your flesh body will be more healthy.

[DaveW]

Hobie - you left out the most dangerous pervasive "doctrine of devils" going: Replacement theology. I suggest you read this article:   https://ffoz.org/messiah/articles/there-is-no-distinction

[DaveW]

We see that God did say to abstain from foods that were not to be eaten..
Leviticus 11:10
And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:

Which is a Divine sign of the physical decedents of Jacob, per the Abrahamic and Mosaic covenants.

[dpr]

Hobie - you left out the most dangerous pervasive "doctrine of devils" going: Replacement theology. I suggest you read this article:   https://ffoz.org/messiah/articles/there-is-no-distinction

Brethren in Christ, that above is just another lie from 'false Jew' doctrines of the "synagogue of Satan" (not necessarily pointing to DaveW, because he didn't create that "Replacement Theology" fake idea, even though he is pushing it here, and doesn't really know what it is about).

The New Covenant literally... replaced... the old covenant. That is Biblical fact, and is described in the Book of Hebrews especially in relation to Jesus Christ and His death and resurrection.

Also another Biblical fact, is the 1 Kings 11 history when God split the old nation of Israel into two... separate... kingdoms, with the ten northern tribe "kingdom of Israel" known as Israel after that split, while the southern "kingdom of Judah" (Jews) made up the kingdom at Judea-Jerusalem.

And per the Ezekiel 37 Scripture, which is still... future to us, God showed that Israel is still... split into "two nations" today, but will be joined back together in the future, when Jesus has returned.

Ezek 37:19-22
19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in Mine hand.

20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

21 And say unto them, 'Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
KJV

To this day, the ten tribe "house of Israel", and the three tribe "house of Judah", are split into "two nations".

And we all know where one of the two nations is today, in the middle east, and calls itself Israel. But where... oh where... is the other nation gone, where can he be? (Sung to the tune of 'where has my little dog gone'.)

The ten tribed "house of Israel", was scattered out of the holy land first, to Assyria and land of the Medes, about 120 years PRIOR to Judah's captivity to Babylon for 70 years. The majority of the ten lost tribes never returned. 

The "house of Judah" (Jews) had remained in the holy land until the king of Babylon took them captive later. Then a remnant of the Jews returned from Babylon, and remnants of Jews have been returning to the Israel in the holy land every since. But not the ten tribes as a whole, which as a majority are still... scattered among the Gentiles today, mainly in the West as Christ's Church.

There is much Bible prophecy in the Old Testament prophets about the "house of Israel" that simply gets wrongly passed off as being about the Jews of the 3-tribe "house of Judah". Per the Jewish historian Josephus (100 A.D.), he said the title of 'Jew' is what the remnant that returned to Jerusalem from the Babylon captivity is what those in Judea-Jerusalem called theirselves, along with the strangers that returned with them living in Judea...

Thus the Jews do not represent the majority of the children of Israel. The ten northern tribes of Israel represented the largest number of Israelites per Bible Scripture. And per God via His prophet Hosea, the ten tribes would lose their heritage as part of old Israel, and take new names and customs, and forget God's feast days, the new moons, and His sabbaths. He also said the ten tribes would not find their way back, that they would trek through the wilderness, serving the full measure of their Baal worship which they forgot Him for. But then, He would speak comfortably to them, and given them a NEW COVENANT, and take the names of Baali out their mouths, and instead call Him "Ishi". And then especially, those God had originally said to them, calling them Lo Ami (not My people), He would say, 'you are the children of the living God'. And Apostle Paul in Romans 9 would include the believing Gentiles on Jesus Christ with them in that!

So you tell me brethren, was not God pointing to the Christian Church under Jesus Christ with that Hosea prophecy about the ten lost tribes of the "house of Israel" scattered among the believing Gentiles? YES! God was pointing directly to the ten lost tribes that migrated mainly to the west in Asia Minor and Europe, and would become the historical Western Christian Nations!

Thus the Western Christian Nations represent the other 'nation' under the stick of Joseph in the hand of Ephraim that will be joined back with the stick of Judah when Jesus returns.

Today's Jews of the 'seed' only represent 3 tribes of original Israel, along with a small remnant of ten tribes that went south to join with Judah in Jeroboam's day. The larger majority of the 'seed' of old Israel is represented by the ten lost tribes.

Therefore, the real 'deception' is the Jew's doctrine of Replacement Theology, just because they like to claim they only, the Jews, are the only children of Israel of the 'seed', which of course is NOT Biblical.

Amos 9:8-9
8 Behold, the eyes of the Lord GOD are upon the sinful kingdom, and I will destroy it from off the face of the earth; saving that I will not utterly destroy the house of Jacob, saith the LORD.

9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
KJV

[Texas Conservative]

We see that God did say to abstain from foods that were not to be eaten..
Leviticus 11:10
And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:

Have you read Acts 10,11?  Have you read Colossians 2?  Have you not read Galatians?

Galatians 5:4

You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

Ellen White taught a doctrine of demons of abstaining from foods that God created to be eaten with thanksgiving.

[Rella]

We see that God did say to abstain from foods that were not to be eaten..
Leviticus 11:10
And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:

You know the most amazing thing...

The one thing that Mrs. White's basis for the foundations of her beliefs on and the various SDA members here and elsewhere fail to acknowledge when they want to discuss anything other then that Saturday worship thing is... is the verse that comes 5 verses before God sanctified the 7th day... therefore even before that 7th day notation...


Gen 1:29 (talking to the man and woman made in his image and likeness.)

And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

Gen 2: 2-3

 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

In fact, unless you can show me elsewhere, it was not until after the flood that meat eating was permitted by God.

So, that begs the question that even though after the flood God permitted it, it was not from the beginning.

Why are SDA not encouraged to be vegetarians?

[Texas Conservative]

Why are SDA not encouraged to be vegetarians?

Many are.  Once again, doctrine of demons.

[Rella]

Many are.  Once again, doctrine of demons.

Thanks TC.

I did not know.

[Hobie]

The matter about God's healthy food list vs. the unhealthy list, per New Covenant doctrine, goes deeper than what many brethren think. And I prefer the KJV translations of 1 Timothy 4...

1 Tim 4:3-5
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
KJV

That "which God hath created to be received" means His healthy food list of Deut.14 and Lev.11.

Yet in 1 Corinthians 10, Apostle Paul said for us to eat whatever is sold in the "shambles" (market), asking no questions. And if you are asked to dinner by someone, eat what they put before you, asking no questions, for conscience sake. But if a host says the food was sacrificed to idols, then do not eat it for the sake of the host, so as to show that the earth is The Lord's, and the fullness thereof.

This is how The New Covenant is different with freedoms that did not exist under the old covenant.

Now the animals on God's unhealthy list did not change, they are scavengers God designed to cleanse the earth, so those animals on the unhealthy list can eat and process poisons. For example, I love shellfish, like shrimp, crab, lobster, clams, but they are all on God's unhealthy list of foods, simply because God created them as scavengers to cleanse the seas and oceans. Shellfish, like pork, will clog your arteries if you eat too much of it. Whereas, fish with scales will cleanse... your arteries, and has been proven medically.

So when you get invited to dinner by a non-believer, eat what they serve you, asking no questions for conscience sake, Apostle Paul says. But in your own meals, try to watch that you don't eat too much scavenger meats (nor junk food), and your flesh body will be more healthy.

The thing you have to remember is in the Garden it was made with all the natural food for man which was God's plan, he needed nothing else.

[Hobie]

You know the most amazing thing...

The one thing that Mrs. White's basis for the foundations of her beliefs on and the various SDA members here and elsewhere fail to acknowledge when they want to discuss anything other then that Saturday worship thing is... is the verse that comes 5 verses before God sanctified the 7th day... therefore even before that 7th day notation...


Gen 1:29 (talking to the man and woman made in his image and likeness.)

And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

Gen 2: 2-3

 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

In fact, unless you can show me elsewhere, it was not until after the flood that meat eating was permitted by God.

So, that begs the question that even though after the flood God permitted it, it was not from the beginning.

Why are SDA not encouraged to be vegetarians?

Back in the day, they all were. Where do you think all the Worthington and Loma Linda very meat products came from..