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The (likely) reason for pro-choice success: you didn't support men's rights

Started by Cally, Sun Aug 18, 2024 - 16:26:24

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Cally

WHAT?!

What does abortion have to do with men's rights?!

That is likely going to be the reaction of your average pro-lifer because of being determined -- nothing short of determined -- not even to listen to what pro-choicers are saying, or rather, screaming at the top of their lungs: you are oppressing women to tell them to do something.

The pro-abortion stance keeps the rights of a child solely with the woman: she alone decides whether or not the baby lives or dies, not the father. She alone decides whether or not the child goes up for adoption.

Or else what? The man who got her pregnant gets nailed for child support. That much tends to be agreed upon by both sides anyway (minus the right to the abortion): hold the man accountable, search and destroy the "deadbeat dad." For both sides, a man has NO rights or say in the matter. The idea of that being an unequal proposition as it is isn't even in the discussion.

The real reason why we have this pro-choice crisis is because the entire culture nurtured ridiculous, overblown notions and narratives of "poor poor woman, bad bad man." Just look at the woman at the well scene from "The Chosen" and you'll see the same thing in Christianity.

The rebuke that the pro-choicer needs, for what she actually says: men are not carried around in baskets compared to you, this world is NOT out to get you because you're a woman, and indeed, it already goes so far out of its way to make women the more special half of the species in a multitude of ways already.

Only men have to sign up for the draft.  There are over 2,000 domestic violence shelters for women and two that take men (one of them is only recently being built by a liberal woman, of all things).  Do you actually know which of these 3 sorts of couples has the (undisputed) highest rate of domestic violence: gay couples, lesbian couples, or heterosexuals? It's actually lesbians, and that's not disputed. What does that do to the narrative that DV is a "patriarchy" issue? How likely is it, really, that more men aren't abused by women than we know in light of that fact?

I'm not 100% sure how true this is as it was a few years ago, but there are over 70 federal level programs dedicated to women's issues with ZERO dedicated to men. Women vastly outnumber men in the workforce in general, but who gets special grants for starting a business on account of gender? MIT has about a 50/50 male to female attendance rate even though three times as many men apply as women.

Churches will rant all day long about deadbeat dads and say NOTHING about how 60%-80% (depending on the year) of divorces are actually initiated by the wife. (Now, the culture actually does have many men who avoid women altogether for how incredibly dangerous they are culturally and under the law because of this coupled with biases in courts -- I know a number of such men myself)

All of this is very easy to look up. It all goes on and on. Watch Cassie Jaye's "The Red Pill" for a solid rundown of a lot of men's issues.

This is by far the most likely reason why we have millions of dead unborn babies: you let the culture grow this notion of how put-upon and how special the female of the species is relative to men, as if men are carried around in baskets by women. And now, at this point, ANY notion of a woman having any woman-specific responsibility is offensive to them, even though it STILL comes with rights that men don't even have (again, it's still her choice to either put a child up for adoption or nail the father with child support). That's to say nothing of well-known biases against men in family court.

This is the only way, in theory, that you could actually defeat the pro-choice stance: directly confront this "poor poor woman" flak that's grown in the modern first-world to the point of being a catch-all. But the truth is that most of the mainstream on all-sides promoted this image in the first place and are hence completely inept at targeting the actual root of the issue. Now it's Democrats' "strongest issue," hence it's also the biggest factor contributing to their chances of success with all of their other lousy beliefs.

To be sure, pro-choicers are talking over the pro-life stance also (in ways that I've recently mentioned). But they can't hear a single word: the modern woman has a sick, overblown notion of how the world is out to get women because the overall culture, including Christianity, LET it get to this point. And now, pro-lifers are soundly beaten by this issue that the world never would have been looking at in the dreaded "back then" when women were allegedly oppressed and/or in other parts of the world that are considered backwards in their patriarchal nature. And in those days, men suffered and died in the elements to help women by building civilization and providing for their wives and children.

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