Will The Anti-Christ Be Jewish?

[Stucky]

 By Jack Kelley
www.gracethrufaith.com
Q. Over the years I've heard a few people say that the false prophet would be Jewish.  The only reasoning for this was that the Jews would not accept him unless he was Jewish.  Several days ago while watching a Christian video the speaker said in passing that the false prophet would come from the tribe of Dan.  Is there any scriptural basis to think that this could be so?   Many thanks for sharing your gift to help us all.


A. I believe it's the anti-Christ that some people think has to be Jewish, saying that otherwise he couldn't be accepted as their messiah.  And there is a Jewish tradition that he will come from the tribe of Dan.  Dan is the tribe through which idolatry came into the Land at the time of the divided Kingdom (1 Kings 12:28-30), and Dan is the only tribe not represented among the 144,000 of Rev. 7: 4-8.

This doesn't make identifying the anti-Christ any simpler.  What makes a man Jewish? Is it religion?  There are many gentiles who converted to Judaism down through the centuries.  The descendants of European converts are perhaps the biggest ethnic group in Israel today.  Or is it biology?  We recently learned that President Ahmadinejad of Iran is biologically Jewish.  His father had the entire family converted to Islam when he was 8 years old.   I guess one thing that tells us is the anti-Christ could be both a biological Jew and a religious Moslem.

Then there's Ezekiel 44:7-9 where, upon returning to dwell among them, the first thing God will do is accuse the Jews of letting uncircumcised foreigners officiate in His Temple during the Great Tribulation.   So, while all this makes for interesting speculation, it's not really helpful in identifying the anti-Christ.

[walker starr]

   Stucky you mean well but there is no such thing as a biological Jew.  There are Ethiopian Jews Russian Jews English Jews Chinese
   Jews and I know of at least one man that was a part Cherokee Jew.(me)  Judaism is a religion.  Always was .  Back in the day
   there were Aramaic Jews Ethiopian Jews , etc...
   What race will furnish the antichrist?  Who knows?  At one time we were all sure it was Germany's Mr. Hitler.  Perhaps he will
   be an American.  Could come from any where.  Doesn't matter we know the outcome.

[Stucky]

   Stucky you mean well but there is no such thing as a biological Jew.  There are Ethiopian Jews Russian Jews English Jews Chinese
   Jews and I know of at least one man that was a part Cherokee Jew.(me)  Judaism is a religion.  Always was .  Back in the day
   there were Aramaic Jews Ethiopian Jews , etc...
   What race will furnish the antichrist?  Who knows?  At one time we were all sure it was Germany's Mr. Hitler.  Perhaps he will
   be an American.  Could come from any where.  Doesn't matter we know the outcome.

The Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים‎, Yehudim), also known as the Jewish people, are an ethnoreligious group originating in the Israelites or Hebrews of the Ancient Near East. The Jewish ethnicity, nationality, and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish nation.[5][6][7] Converts to Judaism, whose status as Jews within the Jewish ethnos is equal to those born into it, have been absorbed into the Jewish people throughout the millennia.


Walker,

Gimmee a break dude.  You know what he's talking about.  Judaism is a religion, an ethnicity and a nationality.  He may have used the wrong word saying biological instead of ethnic but even a moron like me understood what he was talking about.  I honestly considered you to be smarter than this.

[banished]

Stucky,

All Christians were brought into Judaism through Jesus Christ. We all share the same Messiah.

[Stucky]

Stucky,

All Christians were brought into Judaism through Jesus Christ. We all share the same Messiah.

And your point is?

[lightshineon]

 Kenyan

[banished]

Stucky,

All Christians were brought into Judaism through Jesus Christ. We all share the same Messiah.

And your point is?

I am backing up "walker starr".  There is no such thing as a biological Jew. And I added that Christians are Jews also, because of Jesus Christ. Our communion was originated as part of the Passover Seder.

[Stucky]

Stucky,

All Christians were brought into Judaism through Jesus Christ. We all share the same Messiah.

And your point is?

I am backing up "walker starr".  There is no such thing as a biological Jew. And I added that Christians are Jews also, because of Jesus Christ. Our communion was originated as part of the Passover Seder.

  Okay, he used a bad choice of words, the good thing about the people that read Jack Kelley is we understand what he means and don't pounce on every little non-important detail and then tie it into a theology discussion when it is really an end times discussion.

I do get tired of this "I'm smarter than anyone else and better at discussing theology" attitude displayed by some here.  The thread was posted because it was interesting and informative.  Sometimes you just have to go with context instead of making it a lesson in english.

[Stucky]

I don't know how many of them there are, but there IS such a thing as a "Biological Jew". They would be those who have descended from Isaac, whose forebearers OBEYED GOD'S COMMAND that they should only marry within the immediate family of the Father of Isaac, Abraham. And in so doing, thereby avoided polution by intermarrying with those descended from the "Fallen Angels".

As for the AntiChrist being Jewish, I doubt it. Things would have to change quite a bit for a Jew to become the "Leader of Gog".

Thank you for an intelligent response.

[Stucky]

Whoever would have guessed that a flock of pteradactyls have somehow, somewhere survived in the world today ?

@ Stucky : I think your thread is about to get bombed with dinosaur dung.

[Azrael]

Stucky,

All Christians were brought into Judaism through Jesus Christ. We all share the same Messiah.

And your point is?

I am backing up "walker starr".  There is no such thing as a biological Jew. And I added that Christians are Jews also, because of Jesus Christ. Our communion was originated as part of the Passover Seder.

And whats the rationality behind that? Bold underlined part. Christianity and Judiasm are worlds apart and no where near related. Beliefs and theology are just two issues that separate the two. As far as the Anti Christ he will most likely come from the Middle East. Just my opinion but as John says:



1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

And I agree there is no such thing as a biological Jew, your either Jewish or your not. The Jews are the reason we are here having these sometimes pointless discussions......

[banished]

Stucky,

All Christians were brought into Judaism through Jesus Christ. We all share the same Messiah.

And your point is?

I am backing up "walker starr".  There is no such thing as a biological Jew. And I added that Christians are Jews also, because of Jesus Christ. Our communion was originated as part of the Passover Seder.

And whats the rationality behind that? Bold underlined part. Christianity and Judiasm are worlds apart and no where near related. Beliefs and theology are just two issues that separate the two. As far as the Anti Christ he will most likely come from the Middle East. Just my opinion but as John says:



1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

And I agree there is no such thing as a biological Jew, your either Jewish or your not. The Jews are the reason we are here having these sometimes pointless discussions......

Hello Azrael,

These are not pointless discussions, maybe you will learn something?

Because of the Last Supper being part of Passover seder, no Gentile can have communion with Christ or with God unless he also has communion with Israel.  The God of Jesus is the God of Israel and there is no other God. And God's curse remains on those who dishonor Israel (Gen 12:3).

[Azrael]

Your preaching to the choir. I stand behind Israel and God. As far as some of these discussions well...........................

These are not pointless discussions, maybe you will learn something?

Argue or debate? Which will I learn?......................

[walker starr]

   I repeat Judaism is a religion.  All Jews are Jews by choice if they want to choose Christianity(I did)
or anything else we are free to do so.

[banished]

Your preaching to the choir. I stand behind Israel and God. As far as some of these discussions well...........................

These are not pointless discussions, maybe you will learn something?

Argue or debate? Which will I learn?......................

It seems to me that it all happened in 70 A.D. when the Temple fell. What do you think?

[Stucky]

   I repeat Judaism is a religion.  All Jews are Jews by choice if they want to choose Christianity(I did)
or anything else we are free to do so.

I agree, but it is also an ethnicity and now a nationality.  Back when the Nazis were in power in Germany, they considered it a genetical identity (read biological).

[walker starr]

   The genetic bs was a myth developed by the Nazis and Mr Hitler.  Today the nationality is Israeli.  Stucky don't'
    make me come over there.

[walker starr]

Nothing wrong with being a Jew converted to Christianity. Actually it increases your theoretical chance of salvation. BUT you should still marry a Jewish wife, so that your children are assured of being "GOD'S CHILDREN", as oipposed to "Tares".

                                                                                                                                                                     

                                       At 81 years of age?

[Stucky]

   The genetic bs was a myth developed by the Nazis and Mr Hitler.  Today the nationality is Israeli.  Stucky don't'
    make me come over there.

[Stucky]

Nothing wrong with being a Jew converted to Christianity. Actually it increases your theoretical chance of salvation. BUT you should still marry a Jewish wife, so that your children are assured of being "GOD'S CHILDREN", as oipposed to "Tares".

"Oi?"  Oy vey.   

[TonkaTim]

Nothing wrong with being a Jew converted to Christianity. Actually it increases your theoretical chance of salvation. BUT you should still marry a Jewish wife, so that your children are assured of being "GOD'S CHILDREN", as oipposed to "Tares".

Huh?

[Stucky]

Oy Vey indeed, you guys just love putting in "Quotes" with typos in them don't you. I fix them as soon as I see them, but the "Quotes" remain . Sigh !!

Re "Huh ?" See : http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/end-times-forum/bond/

Then follow the link in my post to that thread. The link will give you some real surprizes.

You're right JHM, I was really surprised to think you consider yourself a Bible Scholar.   

[Stucky]

I don't. It is just another site that I post at. Interestingly enough, some of the "Scholars" there complimented me on that article. It is posted there in bits and pieces in another thread. This site makes a mess out of photographed documents so I can't post them here.

I'm just kidding JHM.  You are way smarter than me and you provide some very good information and posts.  Of course, your not always correct like I am, but then, I'm perfect so.....

[TonkaTim]

Nothing wrong with being a Jew converted to Christianity. Actually it increases your theoretical chance of salvation. BUT you should still marry a Jewish wife, so that your children are assured of being "GOD'S CHILDREN", as oipposed to "Tares".

I read your article on the other site.

Now would you mind clarifying the above statement for me?(I agree with- "Nothing wrong with being a Jew converted to Christianity.")

It is the next two sentences I need clarification please.

"Actually it increases your theoretical chance of salvation."

and

"BUT you should still marry a Jewish wife, so that your children are assured of being "GOD'S CHILDREN", as opposed to "Tares"."

I must also ask, Do you consider Judah to be the entire House of Israel?

[TonkaTim]

I typed up a big long reply for you Tonka Tim, only to have Moronpoop's internet exploder, explode when it was nearly finished. You will now have to wait till tomorrow for your answer. - Bedtime. I will Edit this post then.

Eek!  I hate when that happens.

Thank you.

[Stucky]

I typed up a big long reply for you Tonka Tim, only to have Moronpoop's internet exploder, explode when it was nearly finished. You will now have to wait till tomorrow for your answer. - Bedtime. I will Edit this post then.

Eek!  I hate when that happens.

Thank you.

Me too, I get so frustrated it just wears me out and I don't even want to type anymore.   

[glen]

By Jack Kelley
www.gracethrufaith.com
Q. Over the years I've heard a few people say that the false prophet would be Jewish.  The only reasoning for this was that the Jews would not accept him unless he was Jewish.  Several days ago while watching a Christian video the speaker said in passing that the false prophet would come from the tribe of Dan.  Is there any scriptural basis to think that this could be so?   Many thanks for sharing your gift to help us all.


A. I believe it's the anti-Christ that some people think has to be Jewish, saying that otherwise he couldn't be accepted as their messiah.  And there is a Jewish tradition that he will come from the tribe of Dan.  Dan is the tribe through which idolatry came into the Land at the time of the divided Kingdom (1 Kings 12:28-30), and Dan is the only tribe not represented among the 144,000 of Rev. 7: 4-8.

This doesn't make identifying the anti-Christ any simpler.  What makes a man Jewish? Is it religion?  There are many gentiles who converted to Judaism down through the centuries.  The descendants of European converts are perhaps the biggest ethnic group in Israel today.  Or is it biology?  We recently learned that President Ahmadinejad of Iran is biologically Jewish.  His father had the entire family converted to Islam when he was 8 years old.   I guess one thing that tells us is the anti-Christ could be both a biological Jew and a religious Moslem.

Then there's Ezekiel 44:7-9 where, upon returning to dwell among them, the first thing God will do is accuse the Jews of letting uncircumcised foreigners officiate in His Temple during the Great Tribulation.   So, while all this makes for interesting speculation, it's not really helpful in identifying the anti-Christ.

the antichrist would not have to be jewish to be accepted by jews, many jews in the past worshipped other gods and committed idolatry

[glen]

besides this, the antichrist could give false claims and evidence of being jewish anyway

[OldDad]

Because of the Last Supper being part of Passover seder, no Gentile can have communion with Christ or with God unless he also has communion with Israel.  The God of Jesus is the God of Israel and there is no other God. And God's curse remains on those who dishonor Israel (Gen 12:3).

Actually that promise was made to Abraham - and the apostle Paul says that we - Gentiles - are the recipients of the promises made to him.  In fact - Paul leapfrogs those promises over 4000 years of Jewish history and says they belong to us.

[banished]

Nothing wrong with being a Jew converted to Christianity. Actually it increases your theoretical chance of salvation. BUT you should still marry a Jewish wife, so that your children are assured of being "GOD'S CHILDREN", as opposed to "Tares".

Yes, and it's the responsibility of a Jewish wife to start the Sabbath with a Prayer and the lighting of the two Shabbat Candles. Without that custom we would probably still be Pagans.

[Azrael]

Who knows who he will be? I would venture that it would be some one that the Jews trust immensely. Don't know. But anything even the Anti Christ will come from the Middle East it only makes sense, its where it all started and no doubt where it all will end.

[garee]

By Jack Kelley
www.gracethrufaith.com
Q. Over the years I've heard a few people say that the false prophet would be Jewish.  The only reasoning for this was that the Jews would not accept him unless he was Jewish.  Several days ago while watching a Christian video the speaker said in passing that the false prophet would come from the tribe of Dan.  Is there any scriptural basis to think that this could be so?  Many thanks for sharing your gift to help us all.

A. I believe it's the anti-Christ that some people think has to be Jewish, saying that otherwise he couldn't be accepted as their messiah.  And there is a Jewish tradition that he will come from the tribe of Dan.  Dan is the tribe through which idolatry came into the Land at the time of the divided Kingdom (1 Kings 12:28-30), and Dan is the only tribe not represented among the 144,000 of Rev. 7: 4-8.

This doesn't make identifying the anti-Christ any simpler.  What makes a man Jewish? Is it religion?  There are many gentiles who converted to Judaism down through the centuries.  The descendants of European converts are perhaps the biggest ethnic group in Israel today.  Or is it biology?  We recently learned that President Ahmadinejad of Iran is biologically Jewish.  His father had the entire family converted to Islam when he was 8 years old.  I guess one thing that tells us is the anti-Christ could be both a biological Jew and a religious Moslem.

Then there's Ezekiel 44:7-9 where, upon returning to dwell among them, the first thing God will do is accuse the Jews of letting uncircumcised foreigners officiate in His Temple during the Great Tribulation.  So, while all this makes for interesting speculation, it's not really helpful in identifying the anti-Christ.

Antichrist. . simply another teaching authroity other than all things written in the law and prophets (sola scriptura)

I would offer. Mathew 16 makes good commentary  describing Satan the lying "spirit" antichrist (singular ) that works his lies in false apostles bringing false prophecy working with the antichrists' (Plural legion) 

Satan who has no spiritual understanding is therefore not subject to the gospel understanding . A guessing iffy god .In Mathew 4 :If you are the Son of man . .if over and over 

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist (singular)  shall come, even now are there many antichrists;(plural) whereby we know that it is the last time.

In that way its a must to acknowledge single form antichrist the invisible father of lies working his lies in the things seen antichrists' plural.

In this case spreading false gospel through Jewish Peter Rather than choosing Jesus the son of man.

Peter our brother in the Lord as a warning not to deny Christ the Holy Father. Peter is used as a serial denier (three times) He was forgiven of his blasphemy against the son of man Jesus. That 33 year window of opportunity ended when Jesus the Son of man left this world 

Mathew16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Matthew 12:31-32 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man,(Jesus) it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.