Praying and repetitions it is a violation

[wayne]

you can see ratzinger has the twisted cross now. hey, if i know what it is, he knows what it is. hes way more formally educated than me. possibly. the sea shells on his robe are well know mystical symbols as seen in the famous pic next to him.  dont hand me no crap abou your little daughter has sea shells on her bathing suit. the pope dont put stuff on his robe just cause he thinks its cute. the symbols are to show to the others where hes at.

[DCR]

you can see ratzinger has the twisted cross now. hey, if i know what it is, he knows what it is. hes way more formally educated than me. possibly. the sea shells on his robe are well know mystical symbols as seen in the famous pic next to him.  dont hand me no crap abou your little daughter has sea shells on her bathing suit. the pope dont put stuff on his robe just cause he thinks its cute. the symbols are to show to the others where hes at.

Still getting your information from bizarre conspiracy theory websites?  Really... it's not all that difficult to find out from Catholic sources what these things mean, instead of just spreading around nutty ideas different people have dreamed up.

http://www.loyolapress.com/pope-benedict-xvi-in-the-united-states-april-2008.htm#popeq12

Why does Pope Benedict XVI have a seashell on his coat of arms?
Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger chose a seashell as part of his coat of arms when he was appointed archbishop of Munich-Freising in 1977. The seashell symbolized the one in a story of Saint Augustine (354-430) and a child playing at the seashore. In the story St. Augustine was walking along the beach trying to understand the full meaning of the mystery of the Trinity. He came across the child digging a hole in the beach and running to the water and bringing back water in a seashell and pouring it into the hole. Augustine asked the boy what he was doing. He said he was trying to pour all the water in the sea into the hole. When Augustine told the boy this was impossible, the boy responded that it was also impossible for the human mind to understand the mystery of the Trinity. Then the boy vanished. The incident revealed to Augustine that the human mind can no more fully understand the mystery of the Trinity than a seashell can empty out the sea. When elected pope in 2005, Pope Benedict XVI had seashells embroidered on the vestments he wore at his installation Mass.

[wayne]

elaine, everything has an explanation. the romans made the crosses the same. when they drug peter up to be killed he asked to be nailed in upside down. the popes cross is still upside down, a notorious anti christ symbol. smooth words aside. elaine, ask these sympathisers to smooth over the twisted cross the pope waves around? i notice they have skipped that one.

[wayne]

you can see ratzinger has the twisted cross now. hey, if i know what it is, he knows what it is. hes way more formally educated than me. possibly. the sea shells on his robe are well know mystical symbols as seen in the famous pic next to him.  dont hand me no crap abou your little daughter has sea shells on her bathing suit. the pope dont put stuff on his robe just cause he thinks its cute. the symbols are to show to the others where hes at.

Still getting your information from bizarre conspiracy theory websites?  Really... it's not all that difficult to find out from Catholic sources what these things mean, instead of just spreading around nutty ideas different people have dreamed up.

http://www.loyolapress.com/pope-benedict-xvi-in-the-united-states-april-2008.htm#popeq12

Why does Pope Benedict XVI have a seashell on his coat of arms?
Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger chose a seashell as part of his coat of arms when he was appointed archbishop of Munich-Freising in 1977. The seashell symbolized the one in a story of Saint Augustine (354-430) and a child playing at the seashore. In the story St. Augustine was walking along the beach trying to understand the full meaning of the mystery of the Trinity. He came across the child digging a hole in the beach and running to the water and bringing back water in a seashell and pouring it into the hole. Augustine asked the boy what he was doing. He said he was trying to pour all the water in the sea into the hole. When Augustine told the boy this was impossible, the boy responded that it was also impossible for the human mind to understand the mystery of the Trinity. Then the boy vanished. The incident revealed to Augustine that the human mind can no more fully understand the mystery of the Trinity than a seashell can empty out the sea. When elected pope in 2005, Pope Benedict XVI had seashells embroidered on the vestments he wore at his installation Mass.

hi friend, well dont stop there. theres that twisted cross you forgot to explain away

[wayne]

Papistry has been killing Bible believing Christians for centuries. According to Jacob Primer, in "Pastor Jacob Primmer in Rome" p. 215 upside down crucifixion is one of the tortures they used on our forefathers during the Inquisition (the picture at left was taken from the book "Pastor Jacob Primmer in Rome", sixth edition, 1912, Dunfermline Citizen office. In the next segment of the slideshow there is a picture of various inquisition tortures which include another upside down crucifixion. Inverted crucifixion is also pictured and mentioned in Samuel Clarke's Martyrology circa 1651). In this context, the pope's inverted cross means "Death to all who oppose Rome!"

[DCR]

hi friend, well dont stop there. theres that twisted cross you forgot to explain away

It's not up to me to "explain away" anything.  What you're doing it reposting conspiracy theory nonsense you're merely picking up from some pretty hokey web sites.

There is credible information out there about where the appearance of these things originated from.  And, I have no intention of going through and responding to all of the speculations and nutty theories you're putting forth with these picitures.

Make no mistake about it... I take issue with many doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church.  But, our time is better served discussing those issues in a credible discussion rather than bouncing around off-the-wall theories people have dreamed up just from looking at pictures.

But, just for your information, the cross on the Pope's staff was designed by an Italian named Lello Scorzelli.  The rough and rustic appearance of it is probably a more accurate representation of the cross Jesus died on than the symmetrical crucifixes we're used to seeing.  Anyway, I didn't even know anything about this until doing a little Googling.  But, at least I'm able to sort through the difference between the conspiracy theory junk you're posting and credible information that's actually out there.

[kensington]

DCR,
Oh, well that's sweet to honor St. Peter.

I'm not big on things being all secret satanic symbols, I may have gotten a bit swept up for a second.   It did seem surprising at first tho ----but everything has an explanation, imo.

Thank you DCR...:)

It's still idolatry...   

[broach972]

DCR,
Oh, well that's sweet to honor St. Peter.

I'm not big on things being all secret satanic symbols, I may have gotten a bit swept up for a second.   It did seem surprising at first tho ----but everything has an explanation, imo.

Thank you DCR...:)

It's still idolatry...   

Wrong as usual.  I suggest you find out what exactly "idolatry" is before making such a comment.

[desertknight]

How true, brother Broach.  1.  Idolatry is the "worship" of an idol, which is a mortal sin in the Catholic and Orthodox churches.  2.  If the Commandment against "idols" is to be understood, then we need to read it as it is written.  Where exactly, are these anti-Catholics getting that it only applies to religious imagery?  The Bible says nothing of the sort.  

Deuteronomy 5:8  "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.  Deuteronomy 4:16  so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman.  Exodus 20:4  "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."  

Nowhere in Scripture does God limit this to "religious art" found in churches.  It says ANY.  Do you have any pictures of your loved ones?  Anything hanging on your walls at home?  Do you own a drivers license with a picture?  Do you have a simple cross in your church or home?  Should we take a wrecking ball to every art museum and forbid any art classes in schools?  So anti-Catholics who say my church is practising "idolatry" have either not actually read the Bible on the subject, or they are simply hypocrites who are grasping any club they can to bash their fellow Christians with.  

So what is the answer?  Well, the Church basically says, "Look, God gives us Holy Scripture, but he doesn't take away our common sense and he also gave us Holy Tradition and a real, visible, Church on earth to teach what the Holy Spirit guides us to teach."  It is one reason that we rely on the great "Doctors of the Church" and the wisdom of our great Saints, like St. Justin Martyr, St. John Chrysostom, St. Basil of Caesarea, St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine.  How wonderful to learn and be inspired by the Church's teachers and saints.

It's like reading,

Matthew 23:9 "Do not call anyone on earth your father.",

...another favorite to bash Catholics with, and yet, anytime I ask those same people if they call their biological father, "father", they just stare blankly at me.    Why?  Does not the Apostle Paul say, "Indeed, in Christ Jesus I became your father through the Gospel" (1 Corinthians 4:14-15)?  That, by the way, is an exact Scriptual deffinition of why we Catholics call our ministers, "father".  Did our Lord actually mean to over-ride the Commandment to "Honor your Father and Mother"?  Of course not!  He meant that we should never loose sight of the fact that we are children of God and have only one true Father in heaven.   To read passages otherwise is, "straining at gnats

[EDWARDJL]

Wayne,

This is taken directly from Wikipedia

The origin of this symbol comes from the Catholic tradition that St. Peter was crucified upside down, as told by Origen of Alexandria. It is believed that Peter requested this form of crucifixion as he felt he was unworthy to be crucified in the same manner that Christ died (upright). As such, some Catholics use this cross as a symbol of humility and unworthiness in comparison to Christ.

According to Roman Catholicism, the Pope is St. Peter's successor as Bishop of Rome. Therefore the Papacy is often represented by symbols that are also used to represent Peter — one example being the Keys to Heaven, another the Petrine Cross. During Pope John Paul II's visit to Israel, he sat on a chair with the Cross of Peter cut into the back. [1]

The inverted cross is also one of the traditional symbols used by Petrine Orthodox Sebomenoi.

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

baby being forced to kiss image

Hey isn't that the lost Teraphim/Baphomet in the painting?

Interesting one there.

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

Remember that time that Uncle Harry got reeeeeeaaaally drunk and tried to dance with the statue?

[Elaine]

That was funny.
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Well, the wicked witch is dead.
Thank you , Moderators.

[papist1]

                              Rosary Violation’s             
> 1 - Matthew 6:7-8  And in praying use not vain repetitions, as the Gentiles do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.    [ 50 - hail Marries ]   [ 6 - our Fathers] Your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.
> 2 - Matthew 23:9 Do not call anyone on earth your father.
   Only one is your Father, the one in heaven
> 3 - Corinthians 8:5-6 & Deuteronomy 10:17 There are to many Gods....
> 4 -  Deuteronomy 4:16  so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman,   [Cross]
> 5 - 2 Kings 17:12  They worshiped idols, though the LORD had said, "You shall not do this."
> 6 - Matthew 5:19  Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
> 7 - Hebrews 10:26  If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,

QUOTE :
Acts 10:25  And when it came to pass that Peter entered, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshiped him.
Acts 10:26  But Peter made him get up. "Stand up," he said, "I am only a man myself."
Revelation 22:8  And I John am he that heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel that showed me these things.
Revelation 22:9  But he said to me, "Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers the prophets and of all who keep the words of this book. Worship God!"
Revelation 19:10  At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, "Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."
>Matthew 6:9  "This, then, is how you should pray: "`Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name,  [to nobody ells only the Father]
His name is YAHWEH,   by the way.

Deuteronomy 5:8  "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. [the Cross]
Habakkuk 2:18  "Of what value is an idol, since a man has carved it? Or an image that teaches lies? For he who makes it trusts in his own creation; he makes idols that cannot speak.
Deuteronomy 18:9-12  or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who
consults the dead. [all the Saints are dead ]
John 4:23  Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
John 4:24  God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."
1 Thessalonians 4:8  Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit.
Isaiah 55:11 So is my word that goes out from my mouth:  It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.


   

Those were all nice pretexts.

Can you now please take each one, individually, and post it in it's full context instead of machine gunning us with one liners from scripture?

This way we can see the true intention of the author in the full context, instead of your pretextual wishful thinking.

Why dpn't we start with the verse about calling no man on earth your father, and after we read where Paul told his followers that he was their father, we can move on from there.

peace, papist