LATTER RAIN OUTPOURING OF GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT WILL BE BY MERIT

[Saber]

OUTPOUTING OF GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT

The latter rain of God's Holy Spirit is now at hand as these are the last days of our present Church Age.  This should be clear for any and all to see.  However, unlike the initial outpouring of God's Holy Spirit on Pentecost, it will be given by merit of a differant nature.  The first, early rain outpouring, was conditional as well being given to one and all that merely desired to be saved from the consequences of their own sinful nature.  By grace and by grace alone Christ Jesus's earliest disciples were given the same full power of God's Holy Spirit as it were in advance, just like Christ Jesus himself.   Christ Jesus did prove himself to be worthy of such and honor be being faithful to the will and ways of God even to his death upon the cross. 

Now think, were one and all so like minded as God's only begotten son, Christ Jesus, and obedient even unto death?

Today, as it has been from the very beginning, the Holy Spirit of God is given to one and all who desire the forgiveness of their sinful conduct and actions.   So fellowship with and within the will and ways of the Lord and God of all can begin.  Thus the Holy Spirit is given by God to those who repent of their sinful nature and seek the righteousness found in his only begotten son, Christ Jesus.  The Holy Spirit is given to strengthen, enlighten and guide one and all into the prefection that is only found in Christ Jesus.  Thus becoming sons and daughters, true children of God.  However, as seen throughout the New Testament the closest disciples to God in Christ Jesus were given the full power of God's Holy Spirit.  Not to do as they willed, but as true followers of God in Christ Jesus to see that the will and ways of God are most known and understood by one and all.  That the deposit of the Holy Spirit was for the growth and developement of one and all who desired to be saved from their own sinful natures and growth into the perfect nature of God's likeness, Christ Jesus.

Now these earliest disiples were given the full power of God's Holy Spirit, not just for the forgiveness of sin and to help them to grow into Christ Likeness, but to establish the way that is only found in Christ Jesus.  Our present knowledge and understand of the Body, Church and Bride of Christ Jesus.  Once again, the giving of the full power of God's Holy Spirit to all of Christ Jesus's closest disciples was conditional.  The first condition was based on true repentance of their old sinful natures.  The second condition and expectation, to help them grow into the very likeness of Christ Jesus and third to establish the way into the Kingdom of Heaven. 

Please note, the full power of God's Holy Spirit was indeed conditional than as it will be right here and now.  True, God's love for one and all is unconditional.  However, God is no fool when it comes to the dispensing his Holy Spirit as it has always been given upon conditions which are either met at that time or are yet to be accomplished.  Thus given in advance as credit to all of Christ Jesus's closest disciples for the will of God to come into being.

In these last days of our present Church Age, don't be counting upon a full outpouring of God's Holy Spirit if you do not merit such.  For the way is already known for this to be made possible.  The only way this will ever happen to any individual in the last days, is once again, by merit, that merit being in the likeness of Christ Jesus.  That is just what this present Church Age has been all about.  Building one and all into the likeness and fullness of Christ Jesus himself. 

If you had only saught forgiveness of your sinful ways without any intention of coming to the prefection of Christ Jesus, forget it, you have your reward.  Only those who attain to the fullness of Christ Jesus and or are well on their way to the likeness of Christ Jesus will receive this latter rain outpouting of God's Holy Spirit.  The standard, condition of merit has been known for the last 2000 years.  This is nothing new though it runs counter to all present day preaching.  Make you calling and election sure by seeking the prefection found only in Christ Jesus.  Today is the day as the latter rain has already begun.

FULLNESS OF AND INTO THE PERFECTION OF CHRIST JESUS

They are one and the same.  This is just what all of heaven and earth have been waiting most anxiously for. The coming forth of the true children of God in all of God's power and stength, just like Christ Jesus himself.  This has not every yet occured.  This is now only beginning to happen as one and all should have seen and known form the very beginning.  Though none took the time or made the effort to rightly establish the Kingdom of Heaven here upon the earth.  Only in the fullness of time, as it now is, will this be possible.

Once again, by grace and by the grace of God alone were any and all ever given the power of God's Holy Spirit to this present day.  Only now has one ever earned the merit to receive the full power of God's Holy Spirit.  Since this has been accomplished, the way for all others to receive as such is than most fully known as well.  The fullness of Christ Jesus can only be obtined by the renouncing and repenting of any and all sin.  There will be no true and complete fellowship with the Lord and God of All if sin is present.  For what fellowship does light(GOD) have with darkness(SIN).  To be fully wed to God in Christ Jesus, sin must not be present. 

There has been sin in all the members of the Body of Christ Jesus from the very beginning.  These are not just the sins of the flesh, but the sins of the spirit as well.  Being sins of the spirit of man, they are most often overlooked as they are most difficult to see by not only oneself but by all others as well.  Thus remaining to this very day though they are now known and very easy to see.  There is this most complete list of any and all of these sins that have infected all members of the Body, Church and Bride of Christ Jesus. Once again they are most unusal as they only appear or come into being once one becomes a member of the Body, Church and Bride of Christ Jesus.  They are all listed in the letters from God through Christ Jesus by the power of their Holy Spirit to the Apostle John to him and any and all members in Christ Jesus's Church in the book Revelation.  There is but one Body though it has many members.  There is but one Church though it has many members.  There is but one Bride to be of Christ Jesus, though it will be made up of many members as well.  These are their sins as listed in these seven letters to every member who hopes to be most full and complete in Chrit Jesus's Body, Church and Bride.  Please take the time and make every effort to personally seek and search these letters for evey sin each and every member in Christ Jesus has been infected with.  Root them out in repentance and prayer, that is taste and see if the Lord and God of All isn't just who he claims to be, a man of his word like no other.  If you have noticed a total lack of the presence and power of God, whether it be in your own personal life or in your church of choice, see if knowing and repenting of all these sins will not only cure but restore you to the fullness one and all should desire in Christ Jesus.  Once again, don't grieve the Holy Spirit of God, for it will be found absent in your own personal life and church as well.  All these sins as listed as sins that the all of God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, HATES!

Get these particular sins out of your life, right here and now an be a part of these last days latter rain outpouring of God's Holy Spirit to the fullest.

Peace and Love always in Christ Jesus, I pray for one and all.               

[Saul 25]

You can't really get close to God by trying to get rid of sin.  If we strive to get rid of sin then our mind is on our sin and our own efforts and that is sure to fail.  We do need to repent and turn from all known sin, however in order to get close to God we have to have our mind completely on God and not on ourselves, when we do that then God the Spirit does the work in our lives.

[Joshleet]

Hi Saber,   HAve to agree with your Post.   There is a permissive will, and the perfect will of God.   Most today operate in God's permissive will, as they mature and move toward the perfect will of God. As you state,  although Salvation is offered to all, there is an incredible price to be paid to  reach the perfect will of God.   Very few obtain it.  and once obtained, it must be continually maintained. Speaking from my own experience, this is a process that takes alot of time and fellowship with the Lord.   It must begin by setting aside your "Self", your desires, and own will for your life.  Easier said than done.  Most don't even realize to what degree this must be done, so Christ can live in us!  Praise and worship of our Lord is also of the utmost importance. This is a form of submitting yourself to God, and recognising His Power and authority.  I lead praise and worship in our small congregation for many years, and realized the importance of ushering in the annointing of the Holy Spirit through praise and Worship.   This prepared the hearts of the congregation to recieve whatever the Lord wanted to speak to them that day.   Sometimes the annointing of the Lord was so strong during PRaise and Worship, all we could do is  stand in silence with our heads bowed, and the Presence of the Lord would go through the aisles Ministering to His Church.  This sometimes lasted for hours at a time.  Lastly and most importantly, there is a Spiritual "intimacy" the Lord wants with each and every one of us.   This only comes through constant prayer, and fellowship in His word.   Taking these steps Hones ones "eyes" and "ears" to hear the voice of God.   It is this type of Person the Latter rain will be poured out on.   It is this type of person, that will truly percieve the Lord's Word,  not through His own eyes, but through the eyes and heart of our father.

[Saber]

Christ Jesus is our prime example as he was not tempted of Satan until he himself was born of the Holy Spirit of God.  The very same will happen to everyone born of the Holy Spirit of God.  Christ Jesus was followed and tempted by Satan all the way to the cross and even while he was upon the cross.  Not just by his enemies, but by family, friends and even his closest disciples as well.  Stay the course for the reward is indeed great, far greater than salvation alone.  For it will indeed take the full power of God's Holy Spirit to carry one and all in the fullness of Christ Jesus through this time of testing and trails and into the Kingdom Age.  All others will perish.

    

[Saul 25]

You can't really get close to God by trying to get rid of sin.  If we strive to get rid of sin then our mind is on our sin and our own efforts and that is sure to fail.  We do need to repent and turn from all known sin, however in order to get close to God we have to have our mind completely on God and not on ourselves, when we do that then God the Spirit does the work in our lives.

You can't really get close to God by trying to get rid of sin. (incorrect)

If we strive to get rid of sin then our mind is on our sin and our own efforts and that is sure to fail.(incorrect)

We do need to repent and turn from all known sin,(correct)

however in order to get close to God we have to have our mind completely on God and not on ourselves,(correct)

when we do that then God the Spirit does the work in our lives.(correct but I doubt if you understand this)

I don't know how long you have been a christian but one of the first mistakes a new christian will usually make is to try to get rid of sin. It just does not work that way, the mind that is striving to get rid of sin is a mind that is thinking of sin and striving in one's own ability.   You get close to God by seeking God and in the process God the Spirit will cause the sin to lose its hold on you.  God's ability,your faith.

[Saul 25]

You can't really get close to God by trying to get rid of sin.  If we strive to get rid of sin then our mind is on our sin and our own efforts and that is sure to fail.  We do need to repent and turn from all known sin, however in order to get close to God we have to have our mind completely on God and not on ourselves, when we do that then God the Spirit does the work in our lives.

You can't really get close to God by trying to get rid of sin. (incorrect)

If we strive to get rid of sin then our mind is on our sin and our own efforts and that is sure to fail.(incorrect)

We do need to repent and turn from all known sin,(correct)

however in order to get close to God we have to have our mind completely on God and not on ourselves,(correct)

when we do that then God the Spirit does the work in our lives.(correct but I doubt if you understand this)

I don't know how long you have been a christian but one of the first mistakes a new christian will usually make is to try to get rid of sin. It just does not work that way, the mind that is striving to get rid of sin is a mind that is thinking of sin and striving in one's own ability.   You get close to God by seeking God and in the process God the Spirit will cause the sin to lose its hold on you.  God's ability,your faith.

Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Here we see Jesus preaching to repent from sin before the Holy Ghost was given.

So I ask you,

would Jesus tell you to do something you could not do?

I will say unto you what He would say unto you if you told him what you have posted here.

"O Ye Of Little Faith"

I thought we were talking about saved people wanting to get closer to God?

[Saul 25]

You can't really get close to God by trying to get rid of sin.  If we strive to get rid of sin then our mind is on our sin and our own efforts and that is sure to fail.  We do need to repent and turn from all known sin, however in order to get close to God we have to have our mind completely on God and not on ourselves, when we do that then God the Spirit does the work in our lives.

You can't really get close to God by trying to get rid of sin. (incorrect)

If we strive to get rid of sin then our mind is on our sin and our own efforts and that is sure to fail.(incorrect)

We do need to repent and turn from all known sin,(correct)

however in order to get close to God we have to have our mind completely on God and not on ourselves,(correct)

when we do that then God the Spirit does the work in our lives.(correct but I doubt if you understand this)

I don't know how long you have been a christian but one of the first mistakes a new christian will usually make is to try to get rid of sin. It just does not work that way, the mind that is striving to get rid of sin is a mind that is thinking of sin and striving in one's own ability.   You get close to God by seeking God and in the process God the Spirit will cause the sin to lose its hold on you.  God's ability,your faith.

Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Here we see Jesus preaching to repent from sin before the Holy Ghost was given.

So I ask you,

would Jesus tell you to do something you could not do?

I will say unto you what He would say unto you if you told him what you have posted here.

"O Ye Of Little Faith"

I thought we were talking about saved people wanting to get closer to God?

Can you go to any place, Ill even let you go to any church.

Point out them that are unsaved to me and them that are saved to me.

Can you do that

yes or no?

You do understand that the New Testament teaches that a person must be born of the Spirit of God or else they will die in their sins and go into destruction? One is given the Holy Spirit by God when one commits completely to God and calls upon Jesus to be His Savior.  Because being born of the Spirit is something that only God can see,therefore only God knows exactly the ones who are His and the ones who are not.

[Saul 25]

You do understand that the New Testament teaches that a person must be born of the Spirit of God or else they will die in their sins and go into destruction? One is given the Holy Spirit by God when one commits completely to God and calls upon Jesus to be His Savior.  Because being born of the Spirit is something that only God can see,therefore only God knows exactly the ones who are His and the ones who are not.

"You do understand that the New Testament teaches that a person must be born of the Spirit of God or else they will die in their sins and go into destruction? "(What I understand is correct, the understanding I have was given to me by the Holy Ghost)

One is given the Holy Spirit by God when one commits completely to God and calls upon Jesus to be His Savior.(no comment)

Because being born of the Spirit is something that only God can see,therefore only God knows exactly the ones who are His and the ones who are not.(incorrect)

The ultimate test of true or false is found by accepting the literal in context account given in the scriptures.  One can believe that the Holy Spirit told them something when it is not the Spirit of God.  The Spirit of God will always agree with the literal in context position of the bible.

[Saul 25]

It is so easy to see why all you christians argue and debate and seperate yeselves from each other.

ye do not know the Truth.

what ye think ye know to be true is incorrect.


I have seen several tv christians and been to many different christian churches.

Jesus said well when he said

they be the blind that lead the blind.

The incorrectness of the things a christian believe to be Truth is

with out measure.

In fact on this Earth,

All religions are incorrect in most of what they believe to be Truth.

You need to get saved Bud! If you die in that condition then you missed your only chance of escaping hell.  Just commit to God with all your heart and ask Jesus to be your Savior.

[blu]

I thought this is what the latter rain was all about:
Rev 7:9  After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Rev 7:10  And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
Rev 7:11  And all the angels stood round about the throne, and [about] the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 7:12  Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, [be] unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
Rev 7:13  And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
Rev 7:14  And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

If I may also, I do not accept that God has a permissive will. THe only ones saved are those God has chosen to be saved.
Rom 3:11  There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12  They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
If a man does seek God, then it is because the Lord draws him.
Jn 6:44  No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.


Eph 1:4  According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

[fanuvmxpx]

Because being born of the Spirit is something that only God can see,therefore only God knows exactly the ones who are His and the ones who are not.

Incorrect. The eyes are the window to the soul. Many christians can literally see the Holy Spirit upon others.

[blu]

Because being born of the Spirit is something that only God can see,therefore only God knows exactly the ones who are His and the ones who are not.

Incorrect. The eyes are the window to the soul. Many christians can literally see the Holy Spirit upon others.

Peace! I seriously doubt that statement that one can see the holy spirit on another.
Why? Satan appears as an angel of light and so do his ministers. Also read 2 Thess 2-11 where God gives those who do not know the difference over to strong delusion.

Satan is the father of lies and the great deceiver.
Therefore, only God truly knows who his elect are.

[fish153]

Because being born of the Spirit is something that only God can see,therefore only God knows exactly the ones who are His and the ones who are not.

Incorrect. The eyes are the window to the soul. Many christians can literally see the Holy Spirit upon others.

Peace! I seriously doubt that statement that one can see the holy spirit on another.
Why? Satan appears as an angel of light and so do his ministers. Also read 2 Thess 2-11 where God gives those who do not know the difference over to strong delusion.

Satan is the father of lies and the great deceiver.
Therefore, only God truly knows who his elect are.

blu---

I agree.  The Bible says "Man looks on the outward appearance, but God looks upon the heart".  A man may "appear" to be very holy and godly to us----but only God really knows the person as he views the heart.