THIS IS WHAT I UNDERSTOOD FROM THE BIBLE-YOU?

[Huldah]

The Bible has a lot of the history of what mankind did AFTER God told them what to do. (Ten Commandments) If we read the Bible AND SEEK GOD FIRST (As He said) Find who what when where and how He is. Then you may come up with the same thing that I did.

1) I am your Father--my NAME is Yeshua/Jesus Christ (This is so that ALL of mankind would have ONE name--ONE face by which to worship me--no false idols of rock and stone--no several names by which to call me--so ALL could come together in me)
2) You are my children
3) OBEY ME, keep my commandments and do all that I showed you to do when I walked among you.
4) I give you free will and will not stop you from sinning--it's up to you to know my words and my truths. (I will not lead you to sin--the way out is with my word--test all spirits and come boldy before me in my word/truth)
5)You are punishing yourselves--already eight thousand years.
6)Now repent and be baptized in my name (Yeshua/Jesus Christ) and I will give you remission for your sins and eternal life with me.
7) Go forth and do not repeat your sins--spread my teachings--do these things in love, with trust, obedience, and faith
8) As my church/Bride/Woman of which I am the Father/Husband/Man, I expect you to ripen and mature/leaven and walk BESIDE AND WITH ME in my word/truths
9) I do not like to drag disobedient children along
10) I am right inside you--listening and waiting patiently--you do not know the day or time when I will declare judgement

Everytime that the word son is used--God's soveriegnty is undermined--When we say son of man, we have placed man above God--When we say son of God--We imply one above him (Only one god, who also has the keys to heaven and hell) The spirit of anti-christ works hardest among the churches to UNDERMINE God's SOVEREIGNTY.

Think. If you were a mighty creator who had these wonderful and intelligent creations (man) but who had went astray to worship false God's and idols. Who had misunderstood your words and went about leaning on their own understanding--who had placed themselves above their creator--What might you do?
I think that I would want to walk among them in person and give them a living example--to teach them exactly what I meant and to show them exactly how I wanted them to be. To teach them how to treat me and their fellow man. I might even obscure who I really was to test their love and faith--to have them turn to me in recognition and truth--and to accept and understand all that I am.

Since the Father has been in all of us since the beginning of time and has heard all our prayers--then he was also inside Yeshua from birth. (I know He is God--just wanted to clarify to some that He is the Father--where would the Father have been?)
This is how I think of the Trinity---We are all cells of a body(God/Yeshua). This body is run by a head (Yeshua/Jesus) inside of this head is a brain (Father/intelligence). The body would be nothing without the holy life within (Holy Spirit). The flesh (son)--the being (Father/son/holy spirit) and life within (Father,son,holy spirit). Still only one God.It is in this way that mankind is created in the image of God and make up the body of Yeshua. We are just the tiny but intelligent cells that would be nothing without the head/brain/life that operates everything. This is how God is three in one and still all and in all.
GOD'S POINT?--Without our head/brain/life--What are we? DEAD!
KJV--COLOSSIANS 1:15-18--Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature(all life) 16--For by him were ALL things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers; all THINGS were created by him, and for him. 17--And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18--And he is the head of the body the church (Yeshua): who is the firstborn from the dead (Yeshua); that in all things he might have preeminence.
Matthew 11:27-Isaiah 44:6--Ephesians 4:4-6--Isaiah 45:22-23--John 14:7--Luke 17:21--Psalms 139:6-10--Matthew 1:23--Rev. 1:8--Rev 1:17-18
For his eyes are the color of the earth he created. They are blue, green and brown. May the earth bless my God. Thank you Yeshua

[p.rehbein]

Everytime that the word son is used--God's soveriegnty is undermined--When we say son of man, we have placed man above God--When we say son of God--We imply one above him (Only one god, who also has the keys to heaven and hell) The spirit of anti-christ works hardest among the churches to UNDERMINE God's SOVEREIGNTY.
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r-u-saying that Jesus undermined God's soveriegnty?

[Huldah]

No I'm just saying that there are many people who immature in Christ and when the term son is used they are having a problem in seeing that He is the Father. I've had christians argue that there is one above him--a Father  telling him what to do. Since christians know the truth, when we are talking about God--why don't we just use the two terms that really apply---Jesus Christ/Yeshua and God? Then none get confused nor misled. The term son among man immediately brings to mind our own sons with us as ruler. I've had christians quote from scripture and argue that God had a Father telling his SON what to do.
Yeshua Bless You

[p.rehbein]

Jesus said (paraphrased) I came not to do my will, but the will of my Father......

Now, I agree that folks don't understand the Holy Trinity:  God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost.......but the terms "the Son of man" and "the Son of God" were instituted by Jesus were they not?

[larry2]

2 John 1:9  ". . He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son."

Matthew 3:17  And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
 
Matthew 11:27  All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
 
Galatians 4:6  And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
 
Galatians 4:4  But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
 

[p.rehbein]

John 17:1)  These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
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John 15:15  Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth:  but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you........
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If we call Jesus "friend" would we be undermining the soverigenty of God?
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John 12:49  For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he GAVE ME A COMMANDMENT, what I should say, and what I should speak.
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this sounds to me that the Father told the Son what He should say/speak.
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John 10:17) Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.  18) No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself.  I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again,.  This COMMANDMENT have I received of my Father.

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....................just saying.....................

[Huldah]

God gave us the Ten Commandments written by His own hand. Then came as an example of how to LIVE them.

[p.rehbein]

God gave us the Ten Commandments written by His own hand. Then came as an example of how to LIVE them.

...............and?..................................

[glf]

Lk 3:22 "And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased."  In it we see our heavenly Father speaking from heaven, while the Holy Spirit, in the form of a dove, alights upon Jesus, and Jesus himself is present.  All three persons of the Lord making a physical manifestation in the same place and the same time!

When Jesus cried, "My God.  My God.  Why hast thou forsaken me?" we see both the Father and the Holy Spirit had cut Jesus off, forsaking him because of our sin.  The idea in the Hebrew at the garden of Eden, when the Lord commanded Adam not to eat for *in dying thou shalt surely die.*  This inner death or separation of God's Spirit at the moment Adam did eat, led to his body's death later on.  So too for Jesus.  His dying a mere physical death that each of us must also do, would have accomplished nothing.  The judgment Jesus received on our behalf would have to satisfy the Lord's justice in order to cancel out torment day and night forever and ever.  Jesus was himself an infinite being and able to suffer infinitely for us; but since we are finite beings, we cannot suffer infinitely so we must suffer for infinity.  2Cor 5:21 "For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."  This is the greatest miracle in all of eternity and not only was Jesus cut off from the Lord by our sin, but he, in himself remained holy as he was judged in our place.  Jesus shows us his choice in the matter in; Jn 10:18 "No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself.  I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.  This commandment have I received of my Father."  And we see Jesus' heart in Heb 12:10 "Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God."  His joy was in making all of us to be one with the Lord forever.  Btw...  the second greatest miracle in eternity will also be done by the Lord upon himself when he will remember our sin no more.

So we see that if Jesus and the Father are a single individual working in different roles, then according to Jn 17, we will loose our own individual identities as we are joined with the Lord in eternity.  Jn 17:21-23 "that they may all be one: even as Thou, Father, art in Me and I in thee, that they also may be in Us; that the world may believe that Thou didst send Me.  And the glory which Thou hast given Me, I have given to them; that they may be one as We are one.  I in them, and Thou in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, that the world may know that Thou didst send Me and didst love them, even as Thou didst loved Me."  So, either the Lord is three persons and we will be individuals when we're one with the Lord in eternity or we'll have our personalities merged into his oneness if the Lord is Jesus only.

[Huldah]

You started with Luke. Why did you not continue with Luke?
Luke 23:46--And when Jesus had cried with al loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost (Holy Ghost)

HIDDEN WISDOM
Are there any comments out there about these verses of the Bible? I read KJV. What do you think God meant? Is this explaining why he obscured the fact that he IS the Father looking them in the eye?
1 CORINTHIANS 1:21 For after that in the wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the FOOLISHNESS OF PREACHING to save them that believe.
MATTHEW 13:11-16--He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12--For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13--Therefore speak I to THEM in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. 14--and in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, by hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing shall see and not perceive. 15---For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them 16--But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
1 CORINTHIANS 2:7-BUT WE SPEAK THE WISDOM OF GOD IN A MYSTERY,EVEN THE HIDDEN WISDOM, which God ordained before the world unto our glory. 8--Which NONE of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory.
MARK 4:11-12--And He said unto them, Unto you is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: 12--That seeing they may see, and not percieve; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
John 8:19---John 10:30--1 Timothy 3:16--Isaiah 45:22-23--Luke 17:21--John 14:7----There are too many people who believe that the Father and Son are two seperate beings and that Yeshua had one above him telling him what to do.----Not true

[larry2]

There are too many people who believe that the Father and Son are two seperate beings and that Yeshua had one above him telling him what to do.----Not true

Matthew 3:16  And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

Exactly what Spirit was descending upon Jesus? His own Spirit?

Matthew 3:17  And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
 
Let's put this another way. Substitute the word "God" for every suggestion of a pronoun oof Jesus, and it may read as follows.  And lo a voice (Of God) from heaven, saying. This is "God", in "God" I "God" am well pleased. Do you really believe God talks to Himself?

John 14:28  ". .  I (Jesus) go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."

Philippians 2:6  Who (Jesus), being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

[Huldah]

Colossians 1:15-18--John 14:7--John 14:9--Ephesians 4:4-6--Matthew 11:27--Isaiah 44:6--Isaiah 45:22-23--Luke 17:21--Rev. 1:17-18

[larry2]

Colossians 1:15-18--John 14:7--John 14:9--Ephesians 4:4-6--Matthew 11:27--Isaiah 44:6--Isaiah 45:22-23--Luke 17:21--Rev. 1:17-18

Colossians 1:15-18-- Did you forget Verse 19? "For it pleased the Father that in Him (Jesus) should all fulness dwell;" 

John 14:7--John 14:9-- Did you forget Verse 10? "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of Myself: but the Father that dwelleth in Me, He doeth the works."

1 Corinthians 15:28  And when all things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son (Jesus) also himself be subject unto Him (God the Father) that put all things under Him (Jesus), that God may be all in all.

[Sinead]

No I'm just saying that there are many people who immature in Christ and when the term son is used they are having a problem in seeing that He is the Father. I've had christians argue that there is one above him--a Father  telling him what to do. Since christians know the truth, when we are talking about God--why don't we just use the two terms that really apply---Jesus Christ/Yeshua and God? Then none get confused nor misled. The term son among man immediately brings to mind our own sons with us as ruler. I've had christians quote from scripture and argue that God had a Father telling his SON what to do.
Yeshua Bless You

Jesus is God but He isn't the Father. They are 3 seperate personages but all one God.
The father didn't die on the cross - Jesus did. Jesus always obeyed His father.
When Jesus was baptized the Holy Spirit came down on Him - If Jesus was also the Holy Spirit then this would be impossible.
When Jesus prayed, He prayed to the father (He didn't pray to Himself)

[DaveW]

Jesus is God but He isn't the Father. They are 3 seperate personages but all one God.
The father didn't die on the cross - Jesus did. Jesus always obeyed His father.
When Jesus was baptized the Holy Spirit came down on Him - If Jesus was also the Holy Spirit then this would be impossible.
When Jesus prayed, He prayed to the father (He didn't pray to Himself)

Amen.  You wrote exactly what I was thinking as I read the OP.

I would add that when HE (Jesus) talked of his death and resurrection, that He would send ANOTHER (greek means another of the same type) comforter to the disciples.   So He was definately NOT speaking of Himself.

[Huldah]

God spoke Aramaic when He walked among men. It's a sister tongue of HEBREW. Of course He could have spoken any language on the planet but He was from an area that spoke Aramaic. He is the author of all intelligence and the Father of all tongues.
Yeshua Bless You

[cs80918]

Jesus is not God the father.  Jesus is God the son.