Repetition in praying

[sajang]

                              Rosary Violation's             
1 - Matthew 6:7-8  And in praying use not vain repetitions, as the Gentiles do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.   [50 - hail Marries]   [ 6 - our Fathers] Your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.
2 - Matthew 23:9 Do not call anyone on earth your father.
   Only one is your Father, the one in heaven
3 - 1Corinthians 8:5-6 & Deuteronomy 10:17 There are to many Gods....
4 -  Deuteronomy 4:16  so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman,   [Cross]
5 - 2 Kings 17:12  They worshiped idols, though the LORD had said, "You shall not do this."
6 - Matthew 5:19  Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Hosea 4:9  And what the priests do, the people also do.' So now I will punish both priests and people for their wicked deeds.  Praying to angels, Mary, saints or anybody ells would be ineffective because they are created beings and do not possess these blessing powers.   
1 Timothy 2:5 declares, "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." There is no one else that can mediate with God for us. If Jesus is the ONLY mediator, that indicates Mary and the saints cannot be mediators. They cannot mediate our prayer requests to God. Further, the Bible tells us that Jesus Christ Himself is interceding for us before the Father:
James 1:22 But don't just listen to God's word. You must do what it says. Otherwise, you are only fooling yourselves
Make no mistake about this: You can never make a fool out of God.
This concept is blatantly unbiblical, and is an insult to Jesus Christ.   
Deuteronomy 18:19   It shall come about that whoever will not listen to My words which he ( that is me ) shall speak in My name, I Myself will require it of him.
7 - Hebrews 10:26  If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,

QUOTE :
Acts 10:25  And when it came to pass that Peter entered, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshiped him.
Acts 10:26  But Peter made him get up. "Stand up," he said, "I am only a man myself."
Revelation 22:8  And I John am he that heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel that showed me these things.
Revelation 22:9  But he said to me, "Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers the prophets and of all who keep the words of this book. Worship God!"
Revelation 19:10  At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, "Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."
Matthew 6:9  "This, then, is how you should pray: "`Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name,  [to nobody ells only the Father]
His name is YAHWEH,   by the way.

Deuteronomy 5:8  "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. [the Cross]
Habakkuk 2:18  "Of what value is an idol, since a man has carved it? Or an image that teaches lies? For he who makes it trusts in his own creation; he makes idols that cannot speak.
Deuteronomy 18:9-12  or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who
consults the dead. [all the Saints are dead ]
John 4:23  Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
John 4:24  God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."
1 Thessalonians 4:8  Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit.
Isaiah 55:11 So is my word that goes out from my mouth:  It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.

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[HRoberson]

                              Rosary Violation's             
1 - Matthew 6:7-8  And in praying use not vain repetitions, as the Gentiles do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.   [50 - hail Marries]   [ 6 - our Fathers] Your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.

So how many times do you limit a mom's prayer to, when she's praying for her child in the ER?

2 - Matthew 23:9 Do not call anyone on earth your father.
   Only one is your Father, the one in heaven

what did you call your dad? When Paul called Timmy his son, what do you think Timmy might have called Paul?

3 - 1Corinthians 8:5-6 & Deuteronomy 10:17 There are to many Gods....
4 -  Deuteronomy 4:16  so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman,   [Cross]
5 - 2 Kings 17:12  They worshiped idols, though the LORD had said, "You shall not do this."

An idol is something that is worshipped specifically as a god. Other statues are OK, or do you suppose we should raze the Lincoln Memorial?

6 - Matthew 5:19  Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Hosea 4:9  And what the priests do, the people also do.' So now I will punish both priests and people for their wicked deeds.  Praying to angels, Mary, saints or anybody ells would be ineffective because they are created beings and do not possess these blessing powers.   
1 Timothy 2:5 declares, "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." There is no one else that can mediate with God for us. If Jesus is the ONLY mediator, that indicates Mary and the saints cannot be mediators. They cannot mediate our prayer requests to God. Further, the Bible tells us that Jesus Christ Himself is interceding for us before the Father:

But then Paul says "pray for me" and he says that he prays for his readers. If there is only one mediator, why did Paul say these things?

[winsome]

sajang,

your post seems to be a muddle of the usual anti-catholic garbage.

If you unpick it and make a series of points, or even better raise a thread for each point, I wil be happy to address each issues you raise.

Otherwise I shall assume you are just trolling through.


Added:
Your OP is basically a repetition of your OP to the thread you started on 08 Jan 2010
http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/catholic-forum/why-are-we-ignoring-gods-comendments/msg743958/#msg743958

Which itself was basically a repetition of your OP to the thread you started on 04 Dec 2009
http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/catholic-forum/something-is-wrong-here!/msg725558/#msg725558

Which itself was basically a repetition of your OP to the thread you started on 18 July 2009
http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/catholic-forum/praying-and-repetitions-it-is-a-violation/msg669606/#msg669606


All of which were answered.

Seems to me you are committing vain repetitions yourself!

[DaveW]

A note to the OP:

I am currently reading a book "The Sabbath Breaker" by D.T. Lancaster.  It examines in depth every instance where Our Lord was accused of breaking the Sabbath in the gospels and His responses to the charges.

One thing I have been educated on (and not considered before) from this book was that Our Lord's responses to the Pharisees (or whomever) was couched in arguments that actually were understood and in some cases accepted by His accusers.

I would submit that just listing a slew of verses with no application is pretty much asking to be ignored; or even labeled a "troll."

Give us something of your understanding of those verses and why you think they apply to the subject.

[DaveW]

BTW - Our Lord Himself regularly took part in "repetitive prayer."

Luke 4:16  And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and as was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read.

"His custom" means He attended and took part in synagogue services on a regular basis.

The Synagogue service in the first century was basically a skeleton of the current orthodox synagogue service.  Readings and some prayers have been added but the framework is still the same: the Kaddish prayer, the Sh'ma, The Amidah prayer of 18 paragraphs and the concluding Alenu prayer.

Indeed, the "Lord's Prayer" aka the "Our Father" is clearly drawn from both the Kaddish and Alenu prayers.

So the gospel accounts are clear: Our Lord took part in liturgical prayers on a regular basis.

Matthew 6:7  And in praying use not vain repetitions, as the Gentiles do:

So rather than focusing on the "repetition" part, look more at the "vain" and "gentile" charges.

What was vain about gentile prayers?  First off ,they were to false "gods" like zeus and hera and apollo, etc.  Idols of wood and stone. (and they were aware that wood and stone could not hear them) And they were also aware that their prayers almost always went unanswered. (lack of true biblical faith) But they carried on anyway.

In contrast to that, our prayers (even the repetitive ones) can be offered to the Living God of the Bible and can be prayed in Faith that Our Father both hears and responds.

And that is NOT in vain.