Lazarus

[Free Christian]

Hello AlephBet. Not one Bible commentary gives the interpretation for Mathew 18 v 10 that you do, nor do any tell us we have two versions of ourselves. No teaching or Church I have ever heard of has taught such. Are we to believe that for centuries all Christians got it wrong? To propose such a thing is to place a construct upon those passages that are neither intended nor implied. Could you enlighten me/us as to which Church group teaches this both now and historically?

[Red Baker]

No doubt that Lazarus was physically dead but I think his spirit was a sleep so to speak...

He was dead physically, as far a his body, but not his spirit, for the spirit of just men and women, children cannot die. That is impossible, it goes against the the testimony of the scriptures and the biblical definition of eternal life, which means that one cannot die, only those who do not posses eternal life can and will. 

By the fact/truth that God walked and fellowship and was a friend of OT saints, prove that there is a doctrine, that the scriptures would support called eternal justification for the chosen seed of Jesus Christ~Grace and mercy were given to them before the foundation of the world, which means from eternity~there has never been a time when the elect seed was not loved by God through his Son, never.  Consider:

Question #1~"Did OT saints walked with God"? Enoch~Genesis 5:22,24 Did he died, if not, where did he go? The same place that Abel and every born again child of God goes,, right into presence of the holy angels, (who are spirits) where just men go and are there until this very day, waiting for their glorified bodies, but there nonetheless. 

Question #2~"Some will ask:  What are you talking about when you say that the scriptures would support a doctrine called eternal justification"?  Simply put: That from eternity past, or, before the foundation of this earth, God purpose and gave GRACE to US in Christ Jesus before this earth was created.  What God purposed to do, was as good as DONE, for WHAT POWERS could possibly defeat or even hinder God's eternal purposes that he purposed to do through His Son for us?  Answered....none, even if they joined hand to hand, they could not stop God's purposes from being fulfilled.  That being said and true, in the OT God walked, fellowship, and was a friend to his chosen seed from Abel to the apostles, the very same way as he does with us, post Calvary!   Alleluia this is so.

2 Timothy 1:9

  .  "9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,"

Again~Revelation 13:8

  . "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

There is no other way to justified God's actions toward the OT saints than to understand the doctrine of Justification, that it includes, not only a legal aspect, or phase, (Jesus' death and resurrection) but an eternal phase as well~being chosen by God in Christ.  Of course there is a vital, practical, and final phase, as well, that could be consider at another time.

AlephBet you asked:

When does Hebrews 9 tell you that salvation comes?  When?  Not a moment sooner for anyone.  Where is the body of Christ today? 

When reading scriptures and seeking to understand what one is reading, he must seek to rightly divide them, and not to isolate them to support a private interpretation that one may have, and seeking to convince others of.  Saints have NOW and enjoy a salvation from sin and condemnation that was purchased by their Lord Jesus.  In truth, we were given grace to us in Jesus Christ, before this world was created, or from eternity, which is one and the same. There has NEVER been a time in God's purposes that he DID NOT view us his child, NEVER...to believe otherwise, only proves ignorance of biblical truth.  The salvation spoken of in Hebrews 9, and Romans 13:11~is the final phase of our salvation, whereby we received our resurrected and glorified bodies.  You should be learning how to rightly divide scriptures instead of playing word games.

Question: "When Were You Saved?" This common question tries to pin eternal life down to some act at some point in time. Is this Biblical? Did the apostles ever ask this question? How would they answer such a question? Weren't we all saved at the cross?, Or, at the time one said~yes to Jesus? Or, will all be saved at Christ's coming?  As you believe.

Let's ask Paul the question. Paul said he was saved before the world began (II Tim 1:9), when Jesus came into the world (I Tim 1:15), when the Spirit regenerated him (Titus 3:5), when he took heed to himself and the doctrine (I Tim 4:16), and would be saved sometime in the future (Rom 13:11).

Can you believe it? Paul clearly mentions five different stages or phases of salvation. And this is the key to understanding our wonderful salvation in Jesus Christ.

Since God saves sinners in stages, or phases, we must not limit salvation to just one idea or one event at one time. Paul saw his own salvation occurring in five phases.

It used to be called the Ordo Salutis of salvation, which means the order of salvation; but it is not studied or preached much any more. We live in the perilous times of the last days, when men no longer want sound doctrine preached to them (II Tim 3:1 - 4:4). They prefer fables over truth, so the true doctrine of salvation has been almost lost from the earth.

Everyone talks about "getting saved," but no one can explain it from the Bible. There are "invitations" and "decisions" and "methods" for salvation, but none of these words or ideas are from the Bible.

Paul clearly taught five phases of salvation. Let us learn the five phases briefly, then study two charts with the Bible proof and explanation. If you love understanding, you will seek to understand how to give the scriptures their proper sense when reading scriptures.

The ETERNAL PHASE is God's plan and choice from eternity to allow sin into the world and to save His elect from it. Since He is eternal and sovereign, God planned in eternity all that He does in time. There are no surprises to God. He planned to allow sin, so that He could display His glorious grace in saving His elect from it and displaying His power and wrath on the rest.

The LEGAL PHASE is God's work to satisfy His holy nature and perfect justice for the salvation of His elect. Because every sin must be punished, He sent a Substitute to die for their sins. His perfect holiness and justice cannot overlook sins and acquit wicked men. He must punish their sins in Another, even Jesus Christ. And this He did at the crucifixion of Jesus Christ 2000 years ago.

The VITAL PHASE is God's application of these benefits to us personally and individually. Though He planned to save us from eternity and legally did so with Christ's death on the cross, we still have a depraved and wicked nature at enmity with Him. So He regenerates us into a new life by His Spirit and gives us a new heart that loves Him and righteousness. This is being born again, and it is done entirely by the power of God sometime during our lives.

The PRACTICAL PHASE is our response to His salvation. He sends His Spirit into our hearts, and we cry "Abba, Father." With new hearts from regeneration, we seek the truth and love it when we hear it. We hear the gospel, and we believe it. We want to be baptized to show Him our love. We want to know more of what we can do to please Him, and we gratefully cherish all His promises, which give us comfort and peace now.

The FINAL PHASE is that great day in the future when we shall be declared the sons of God to the whole universe and enter the new earth for eternity. Our bodies will be raised from graves and glorified into new spiritual bodies, and we will be thoroughly purged from all sin to be perfectly holy in His presence forever. This great conclusion to the plan of salvation is yet in the future.

I truly believe that because men fail to rightly divide the scriptures concerning the use of the words save/saved/salvation has cause divisions among some very sincere saints, and has leads many to teach falling from grace, when the scriptures may very well be speaking of losing our practical salvation of fellowship, peace, joy, knowledge, and understanding, by not taking heed how we hear the scriptures and follow them.

[Jd34]

A lot of AlephBet posts seem to couple the concepts of physics, especially the branch of quantum mechanics, with scripture....words like entanglement, the concept of dualism and paradoxes....and using the Doppler effect of sound to draw a conclusion...

Best to stick with what scripture says--some things don't need over thinking.


1.Lazarus was dead for 4 days.
2.Our awesome Lord raised in from the dead!



I bet if we where there and asked Lazarus where did his spirit go..He wouldn't remember a thing. Scripture tells us the dead knows nothing.

[AlephBet]

Hello AlephBet. Not one Bible commentary gives the interpretation for Mathew 18 v 10 that you do, nor do any tell us we have two versions of ourselves. No teaching or Church I have ever heard of has taught such. Are we to believe that for centuries all Christians got it wrong? To propose such a thing is to place a construct upon those passages that are neither intended nor implied. Could you enlighten me/us as to which Church group teaches this both now and historically?

When do the blind receive site during the time Christ entered the temple as King?  When does he enter today?  Doesn't the Bible tell us the priests will be blinded?  If you do not know the Words and Letters of Hebrew, you are blinded.  I can show you this in parallel to an unrelated passage first. 

Matthew 21

21 As they approached Jerusalem and came to Bethphage on the Mount of Olives, Jesus sent two disciples, 2 saying to them, "Go to the village ahead of you, and at once you will find a donkey tied there, with her colt by her. Untie them and bring them to me. 3 If anyone says anything to you, say that the Lord needs them, and he will send them right away."

In the Hebrew Lexicon, the words Seek, Donkey, Village are in order on the same root, in the order used.  There is a reason for this that I could show, but I'll move on to the point.  Of course, opening blind eyes IS the point.  Are we given power to do this as believers?  YES!  I am doing it, but most here refuse to open the lids to see.

What am I going to show you here?  In relation to your question, how I am giving you something new that you have never SEEN before?  Timing is the key.  Today is the time to see.  Blind eyes will open and mine are wide. 

12 Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. 13 "It is written," he said to them, "'My house will be called a house of prayer,'[e] but you are making it 'a den of robbers.'

Table - Financial table of debt to surplus.
Moneychanger - Banker
Dove - Peace
Bench - Place of rest

The bankers tables are flipped to debt.  The peacemakers have no rest.  TODAY!  It's a sign and prophecy. 

Again, the language used is the key to what is hidden.  Jesus WAS a Prophet and IS a Priest.  He will be Almighty.  When he was here 2000 years ago, he was a prophet.  When will he enter our time (2000 years later) as King Almighty?  When the Bankers tables are flipped to debt and the peacemakers have no rest (benches). WHEN?  Today. 

What happens when this occurs?

14 The blind and the lame came to him at the temple, and he healed them. 15 But when the chief priests and the teachers of the law saw the wonderful things he did and the children shouting in the temple courts, "Hosanna to the Son of David," they were indignant.

What must we become in order to hear the Word?  Children.  Not proud theologians. 

I am humbled in my approach to the Word.  The reason I can hear is because I do not listen to those who teach theology.  Instead, I look deeply into the Mystery by the Father (Aleph Bet) and the Son (Word). 

Today, do the peacemakers have any rest?  Are the bankers scrambling because of the tables flipped to debt?  YES!  It's a sign of blind eyes opening. 

Are men running to and fro?  Is knowledge increased?

Daniel 12

12 "At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. 2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 Those who are wise[a] will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever. 4 But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge."

I have listened to the call to arise.  I am shining the light I have been given.  TODAY! 

What did the Angel mean about sealing up the Words until the end?  How am I unsealing them?

16 "Do you hear what these children are saying?" they asked him.

"Yes," replied Jesus, "have you never read,

"'From the lips of children and infants
    you, Lord, have called forth your praise'?"
17 And he left them and went out of the city to Bethany, where he spent the night.

[AlephBet]

No doubt that Lazarus was physically dead but I think his spirit was a sleep so to speak...

AlephBet you asked:

When does Hebrews 9 tell you that salvation comes?  When?  Not a moment sooner for anyone.  Where is the body of Christ today? 

When reading scriptures and seeking to understand what one is reading, he must seek to rightly divide them, and not to isolate them to support a private interpretation that one may have, and seeking to convince others of.  Saints have NOW and enjoy a salvation from sin and condemnation that was purchased by their Lord Jesus.  In truth, we were given grace to us in Jesus Christ, before this world was created, or from eternity, which is one and the same. There has NEVER been a time in God's purposes that he DID NOT view us his child, NEVER...to believe otherwise, only proves ignorance of biblical truth.  The salvation spoken of in Hebrews 9, and Romans 13:11~is the final phase of our salvation, whereby we received our resurrected and glorified bodies.  You should be learning how to rightly divide scriptures instead of playing word games.

Question: "When Were You Saved?" This common question tries to pin eternal life down to some act at some point in time. Is this Biblical? Did the apostles ever ask this question? How would they answer such a question? Weren't we all saved at the cross?, Or, at the time one said~yes to Jesus? Or, will all be saved at Christ's coming?  As you believe.

Let's ask Paul the question. Paul said he was saved before the world began (II Tim 1:9), when Jesus came into the world (I Tim 1:15), when the Spirit regenerated him (Titus 3:5), when he took heed to himself and the doctrine (I Tim 4:16), and would be saved sometime in the future (Rom 13:11).

Can you believe it? Paul clearly mentions five different stages or phases of salvation. And this is the key to understanding our wonderful salvation in Jesus Christ.

Since God saves sinners in stages, or phases, we must not limit salvation to just one idea or one event at one time. Paul saw his own salvation occurring in five phases.

It used to be called the Ordo Salutis of salvation, which means the order of salvation; but it is not studied or preached much any more. We live in the perilous times of the last days, when men no longer want sound doctrine preached to them (II Tim 3:1 - 4:4). They prefer fables over truth, so the true doctrine of salvation has been almost lost from the earth.

Everyone talks about "getting saved," but no one can explain it from the Bible. There are "invitations" and "decisions" and "methods" for salvation, but none of these words or ideas are from the Bible.

Paul clearly taught five phases of salvation. Let us learn the five phases briefly, then study two charts with the Bible proof and explanation. If you love understanding, you will seek to understand how to give the scriptures their proper sense when reading scriptures.

The ETERNAL PHASE is God's plan and choice from eternity to allow sin into the world and to save His elect from it. Since He is eternal and sovereign, God planned in eternity all that He does in time. There are no surprises to God. He planned to allow sin, so that He could display His glorious grace in saving His elect from it and displaying His power and wrath on the rest.

The LEGAL PHASE is God's work to satisfy His holy nature and perfect justice for the salvation of His elect. Because every sin must be punished, He sent a Substitute to die for their sins. His perfect holiness and justice cannot overlook sins and acquit wicked men. He must punish their sins in Another, even Jesus Christ. And this He did at the crucifixion of Jesus Christ 2000 years ago.

The VITAL PHASE is God's application of these benefits to us personally and individually. Though He planned to save us from eternity and legally did so with Christ's death on the cross, we still have a depraved and wicked nature at enmity with Him. So He regenerates us into a new life by His Spirit and gives us a new heart that loves Him and righteousness. This is being born again, and it is done entirely by the power of God sometime during our lives.

The PRACTICAL PHASE is our response to His salvation. He sends His Spirit into our hearts, and we cry "Abba, Father." With new hearts from regeneration, we seek the truth and love it when we hear it. We hear the gospel, and we believe it. We want to be baptized to show Him our love. We want to know more of what we can do to please Him, and we gratefully cherish all His promises, which give us comfort and peace now.

The FINAL PHASE is that great day in the future when we shall be declared the sons of God to the whole universe and enter the new earth for eternity. Our bodies will be raised from graves and glorified into new spiritual bodies, and we will be thoroughly purged from all sin to be perfectly holy in His presence forever. This great conclusion to the plan of salvation is yet in the future.

I truly believe that because men fail to rightly divide the scriptures concerning the use of the words save/saved/salvation has cause divisions among some very sincere saints, and has leads many to teach falling from grace, when the scriptures may very well be speaking of losing our practical salvation of fellowship, peace, joy, knowledge, and understanding, by not taking heed how we hear the scriptures and follow them.

My point in saying this was to show baptism as rebirth.  Stages yes.  We MUST be here for each stage.  You are saying that only THIS generation gets to enjoy the final stage of seeing Christ return.  You are missing the part about being here to benefit from the promises given.  You are denying all the souls who have ever lived apart form this knowledge the opportunity to be saved in any way.  You are reducing election to a few (8 in the ark) and denying the water that NOW saves you also (symbolized by baptism) in 1 Peter 3. 

The WHOLE world means ALL. 

2 Cor 5

The old has gone, the new is here! 18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 20 We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God. 21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

If we are here in the waters of life, we ARE baptized in Christ.  All of us.  ALL means ALL.  The WHOLE WORLD means ALL. 

We have been here the entire time.  We are not salvaged until Christ returns for those who are waiting for him. 

Hebrews 9

28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

I am not taking anything out of context at all.  I have used a broad territory to show how these ideas fit to the whole.  My process are the Seven Rules of Hillel.  I use them without exception.

Rightly dividing truth is by the rules.  I follow them to the letter (Aleph Bet). The way to get to the Father is through the Word.  The Father IS the letter writing the Word.  Scribes engaged the letters and words.  We must deScribe. 

RULES OF HILLEL with Linkback.

[Red Baker]

Your thesis seems to be: Christ's death emptied hell, and threw all those in the pit back into a cycle of death and re-birth where they are being purified.  This world is purgatory.

Answer this question: Is this so or no? If yes, then will any not inherit the world to come, if yes, then who? and WHY?

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

Your thesis seems to be: Christ's death emptied hell, and threw all those in the pit back into a cycle of death and re-birth where they are being purified.  This world is purgatory.

Answer this question: Is this so or no? If yes, then will any not inherit the world to come, if yes, then who? and WHY?

I moved this post from the other thread on language, as it was off-topic there, and appeared to be meant for this thread.

Jarrod

[AlephBet]

Your thesis seems to be: Christ's death emptied hell, and threw all those in the pit back into a cycle of death and re-birth where they are being purified.  This world is purgatory.

Answer this question: Is this so or no? If yes, then will any not inherit the world to come, if yes, then who? and WHY?

The world to come is already here.  The kingdom of God is near to you.  As I showed from Matthew 18, we are BOTH the Child below in the waters of life AND the Angel facing the Father. 

Matthew 18

10 "Be careful not to despise these little ones. I can guarantee that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father, who is in heaven.

Let's be careful to take this into perfect contest to ALL of Matthew 18, including binding and loosing here AND there.  Let's also use the context to the wandering Sheep parable of Matthew 18 (that's you as the child in the vineyard working the harvest) and let's note the quesion of the entire chapter: "Who is the greatest IN the Kingdom of God?"  The Child.  Who is the Child wandering as a sheep in a wilderness?  He is looking for the Jordan crossing to the promised land.  THE WORLD to come.  Not the WORD NOW, but the paradise we reclaim (Already here). 

Tanhuma:

"Future bliss can neither be imagined, explained, nor described. We know nothing of its nature, form, greatness, or beauty, its quantity or quality. This much one should know, the phrase, "the world to come," does not imply that it is a world yet to be called into existence; it exists already, but the phrase is employed to describe the life into which those who are in the present stage of existence will be transposed when they throw off this mortal coil."

WHEN CHRIST COMES TO BRING US ACROSS THE WATERS (Moses as an example). 

As the Child of God here (BRIDE OF CHRIST), we are said to be the wife (feminine) in the future of the Kingdom.

Mark 12

18 Some Sadducees, who say that people will never come back to life, came to Yeshua. They asked him, 19 "Teacher, Moses wrote for us, 'If a man dies and leaves a wife but no child, his brother should marry his widow and have children for his brother.' 20 There were seven brothers. The first got married and died without having children. 21 The second married her and died without having children. So did the third. 22 None of the seven brothers had any children. Last of all, the woman died. 23 When the dead come back to life, whose wife will she be? The seven brothers had married her."

24 Yeshua said to them, "Aren't you mistaken because you don't know the Scriptures or God's power? 25 When the dead come back to life, they don't marry. Rather, they are like the angels in heaven. 26 Haven't you read in the book of Moses that the dead come back to life? It's in the passage about the bush, where God said, 'I am the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.' 27 He's not the God of the dead but of the living. You're badly mistaken!"

Humans are chaff.  We are the HOST for the Spirit possessing it.  Who is the Lord of Hosts (Angels)?

Are you an Eve Angelical?

Do you Evangelize?

Eve is the weak nature (Spirit) being refined.  Christ is the example.  We are the images of the image. 

Where do you go when you die?

2 Corinthians 5:8

We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

Deuteronomy 6

Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the LORD your God goes with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you."

Who's Body are you?  Christ's Body.  Even his body is here, with the HEAD up there.  HIS HEAD is up! Who's Spirit do you have?  Who are you to God in the future (World to Come) as the Child of God now?  You are a Son in the World to Come. 

Time is not where God is.  Neither are you.  Time is the Story (image) you read as a book before becoming a man.  It's education.  God is already in the future waiting for all of us. So are you until you wake from the image of Time / Space. 

It's an image. 

Hebrews 9

23 The copies of the things in heaven had to be cleansed by these sacrifices. But the heavenly things themselves had to be cleansed by better sacrifices. 24 Christ didn't go into a holy place made by human hands. He didn't go into a model of the real thing. Instead, he went into heaven to appear in God's presence on our behalf. 25 Every year the chief priest went into the holy place to make a sacrifice with blood that isn't his own. However, Christ didn't go into heaven to sacrifice himself again and again. 26 Otherwise, he would have had to suffer many times since the world was created. But now, at the end of the ages, he has appeared once to remove sin by his sacrifice. 27 People die once, and after that they are judged. 28 Likewise, Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of humanity, and after that he will appear a second time. This time he will not deal with sin, but he will save those who eagerly wait for him.

Read the timeline.  Is a DVD a copy of a movie that the director already looked at from beginning to end?  How does God know the future from the image?

How can you know how you got there if you don't fully know what you are here?

God makes ALLLLLLLL things new. 

His will is what?

So many people know John 3:16.  Not enough know John 3:17

John 3:17

It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; 17 God sent his Son into the world, not to condemn the world, but to save the world. 18 Those who believe in him won't be condemned. But those who don't believe are already condemned because they don't believe in God's only Son.

If God's will is that you be set apart, then can God's will be silenced? Will his will be done, or will your will be done to avoid God?  HIS WILL!

ALREADY CONDEMNED.  Again, God is not in this timeline.  He already knows who they are that don't believe.  In the timeline, they are unaware who they are here.  Again, God's will is to set us apart.  Who?  THE WHOLE WORLD!  The wicked are not us.  We do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against who?  Who is it that God will condemn?  The Man he made (Son of God)?  NO! 

Again, let's examine Baptism by context to John 3.  You already know the words of being born again by baptism.  We know the root meaning now if we have read it to it's root meaning. 

I pray you now have the meaning down to know what John says below:

19 This is why people are condemned: The light came into the world. Yet, people loved the dark rather than the light because their actions were evil. 20 People who do what is wrong hate the light and don't come to the light. They don't want their actions to be exposed. 21 But people who do what is true come to the light so that the things they do for God may be clearly seen.

We are here coming to the light now.  From the darkness of the waters below (Abyss), we rise toward the light of the sun above the waters. 

Again, look at what I have shown you.  See and hear what John is saying:

22 Later, Yeshua and his disciples went to the Judean countryside, where he spent some time with them and baptized people. 23 John was baptizing in Aenon, near Salim. Water was plentiful there. (People came to John to be baptized, 24 since John had not yet been put in prison.)

25 Some of John's disciples had an argument with a Jew about purification ceremonies. 26 So they went to John and asked him, "Rabbi, do you remember the man you spoke so favorably about when he was with you on the other side of the Jordan River? Well, he's baptizing, and everyone is going to him!"

27 John answered, "People can't receive anything unless it has been given to them from heaven. 28 You are witnesses that I said, 'I'm not the Messiah, but I've been sent ahead of him.'

29 "The groom is the person to whom the bride belongs. The best man, who stands and listens to him, is overjoyed when the groom speaks. This is the joy that I feel. 30 He must increase in importance, while I must decrease in importance.

31 "The person who comes from above is superior to everyone. I, a person from the earth, know nothing but what is on earth, and that's all I can talk about. The person who comes from heaven is superior to everyone 32 and tells what he has seen and heard. Yet, no one accepts what he says. 33 I have accepted what that person said, and I have affirmed that God is truthful. 34 The man whom God has sent speaks God's message. After all, God gives him the Spirit without limit. 35 The Father loves his Son and has put everything in his power. 36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life. Instead, he will see God's constant anger."


Above and Below.  Across the Jordan and on the other side.  He comes from ABOVE.  John is from BELOW.  Jesus was on one side of the JORDAN.  John on the other baptizing.  Parallel to what we speak of with Lazarus.  HUMMMMMMMMM.  Do you think it is connected?

Sorry to be so emphatic, but it's obvious to me because I can see it.  Frustrating because you cannot. 

Eternal life is not bound to a timeline.  Was John from above?  NO!  IT IS THE POINT!  We are going to all be raised by the Son.  WHEN!!!!!!!!

Hebrews 9

This time he will not deal with sin, but he will save those who eagerly wait for him.

If you will get to heaven on your own in this life, but others around you miss the boat so to speak, then you are denying who saves us all.  We cannot save ourselves.  God's work is in the water with the ones that need to be saved. 

NO ONE HAS EXITED YET. 

Even poor old Lazarus was brought back.