where is the just outradge for pedipiles

[Ladonia]

You can still serve an assembly, be a shepherd to His people, while being married. In fact, having a household would be a good thing for a shepherd. Both elders and bishops are recommended to have one wife, children raised well in the understanding of the Lord, even so much that Paul said If one cannot rule his household well, how can he the House of God? By hindering priests from getting married, you hinder their growth that would further serve the people of God. You also allow for temptations to never be relieved, as celibacy is a gift, and one with discipline, but not for everyone.

Yes and the no marriage rule has attracted a large proportion of phedophiles and homosexuals to the RC priesthood.

I still do no think you guys are quite getting the big picture. This is not about pointing fingers at the RCC.  This a bout a world that says the law allows them to be any kind of pervert they want and the , excuse  the word, Hell with the church or Gods standards. This crosses all denominational barrier's for the future generation.  Who is going to come to Christ. No one leaving only the judgment which is right at the door. 

All we have for the future generation is week kneed popes who are scared to stand up and call sin what is.


Our future generation will say I don't have to listen to Mom and dad tell me about God.

I don't have listen to some pastor or priest tell me what right and wrong is.

I can be the setter of my own standards and God can take a hike.

Is that not true from here on out that  the world gives license for every immoral behavior.

No not one word from the feeble pope who is haled as some hero for truth and righteousness

What about it Cath. What about it ladonia . What about it?

What about it? You are full of prunes. It's time for you to be concerned about what goes on in your own little religious world.

[LexKnight]

Would it be difficult to just let the priests marry?

No it wouldn't be difficult and it the Church wanted it to happen, it would. But that is not our clergy follow the example of Jesus Christ, the unmarried founder of our faith. But the fact is, there are married Catholic priests. They consist of priests who came over from the Anglican communion.

I don't get that either. Yes the Lord was unmarried on this Earth, but He will have a wife. Heck, Israel was His wife before giving her a certificate of divorce for her unfaithfulness.

[wincam]

all this concern and rightly so but no real concern for things far far worse viz tampering with the mental and spiritual lives of children and adults[yesterday's children]- see Matt.10:28 and 18:6 - more later - meanwhile via google see junior education at [Fact vs Faith/textbooks] by creation today and senior education at[www.EvolutionvsGod.com] by Ray Comfort - wincam

[wincam]

so far it seems exactly as stated no real concern for really serious outrages - wincam

[RB]

Dear bro I pray you have not missed it as well.  Because of the current knew law there can be no definition of abuse.

My brother, I do not quite understand what you mean by saying: "I pray you have not missed it as well" Brother, I hate pedophiles that prey upon our little ones. I have seventeen grandchildren and I would not like to think what I would be tempted to do if someone violated their trust in older people protecting them and loving them as they love their own selves.

[Hexalpa]

What is the biggest problem with all this pedophiles in history ?

I think it's the cover up that has to be the main problem, schools or churches run and hide for fear or holding out that their school etc is not to be seen as having the problem for fear of ingrates just as they themselves are just ingrates, such do not truly hold Christ as their Lord and Saviour, but the ingrates do rule the day.

Ingrates say think of the school etc that's their number one objective only and the other ingrates can not or do not want to see reality, so the cycle goes on and on, nothing has changed in 2015.

Nothing truly constructive has happened as to truly dealing with pedohiles at all that's worth jack.

I still see totally two faced creeps in charged running schools nowadays and moronic so called Priest that are so up themselves and I think how would a child have a chance dealing with such people let alone, just an average mum or dad with cunning dogs as such.

If a child is molested or even fears such may happen, there should be advertised what to do directly and an organisation you call that insures police act in the most effective way possible directly in every way to catch such cunning low life bastards.

[wincam]

What is the biggest problem with all this pedophiles in history ?

I think it's the cover up that has to be the main problem, schools or churches run and hide for fear or holding out that their school etc is not to be seen as having the problem for fear of ingrates just as they themselves are just ingrates, such do not truly hold Christ as their Lord and Saviour, but the ingrates do rule the day.

Ingrates say think of the school etc that's their number one objective only and the other ingrates can not or do not want to see reality, so the cycle goes on and on, nothing has changed in 2015.

Nothing truly constructive has happened as to truly dealing with pedohiles at all that's worth jack.

I still see totally two faced creeps in charged running schools nowadays and moronic so called Priest that are so up themselves and I think how would a child have a chance dealing with such people let alone, just an average mum or dad with cunning dogs as such.

If a child is molested or even fears such may happen, there should be advertised what to do directly and an organisation you call that insures police act in the most effective way possible directly in every way to catch such cunning low life bastards.

so we see the main concern is about physical tampering and not about what is by far far worse viz mental and spiritual tampering as per my original post - wincam

[chosenone]

What is the biggest problem with all this pedophiles in history ?

I think it's the cover up that has to be the main problem, schools or churches run and hide for fear or holding out that their school etc is not to be seen as having the problem for fear of ingrates just as they themselves are just ingrates, such do not truly hold Christ as their Lord and Saviour, but the ingrates do rule the day.

Ingrates say think of the school etc that's their number one objective only and the other ingrates can not or do not want to see reality, so the cycle goes on and on, nothing has changed in 2015.

Nothing truly constructive has happened as to truly dealing with pedohiles at all that's worth jack.

I still see totally two faced creeps in charged running schools nowadays and moronic so called Priest that are so up themselves and I think how would a child have a chance dealing with such people let alone, just an average mum or dad with cunning dogs as such.

If a child is molested or even fears such may happen, there should be advertised what to do directly and an organisation you call that insures police act in the most effective way possible directly in every way to catch such cunning low life bastards.

so we see the main concern is about physical tampering and not about what is by far far worse viz mental and spiritual tampering as per my original post - wincam

Have I got this right, are you saying that sexual abuse isnt as bad as emotional abuse?

[wincam]

see for example what Christ has to say about in gospels other than just at Matt.19:28 - wincam

[Hexalpa]

What is the biggest problem with all this pedophiles in history ?

I think it's the cover up that has to be the main problem, schools or churches run and hide for fear or holding out that their school etc is not to be seen as having the problem for fear of ingrates just as they themselves are just ingrates, such do not truly hold Christ as their Lord and Saviour, but the ingrates do rule the day.

Ingrates say think of the school etc that's their number one objective only and the other ingrates can not or do not want to see reality, so the cycle goes on and on, nothing has changed in 2015.

Nothing truly constructive has happened as to truly dealing with pedohiles at all that's worth jack.

I still see totally two faced creeps in charged running schools nowadays and moronic so called Priest that are so up themselves and I think how would a child have a chance dealing with such people let alone, just an average mum or dad with cunning dogs as such.

If a child is molested or even fears such may happen, there should be advertised what to do directly and an organisation you call that insures police act in the most effective way possible directly in every way to catch such cunning low life bastards.

so we see the main concern is about physical tampering and not about what is by far far worse viz mental and spiritual tampering as per my original post - wincam

Yes the main is just that.

The world be it the Pope, only has room to move on certain points or the government can only do so much, as they are dealing with sinful people who carry out such acts.

But as to the sprit side of things I think that comes back to the person and God to work in healing that.

I know of some Jewish people who went through WW2 and were in the camps who were the nicest people you could come across with no hatred in there heart, but only much loving and kindness to all, they understood how Satan's power can destroy the Spirit and the body.

But as to how a institution deals with a person who has been disregarded like the RCC and all the others, it happens to be the same thing, just try to sweep it under the carpet.

Even the Government does the same and not only that, it supports sodomy full on nowadays and empower such like people to threaten anyone that stands up to their filth and the RCC Popes were the only ones that has stood up to opposed them vampires, but from what I have seen of the RCC schools and priest are total lowlife not to mention Pope Francis himself publicly has come out saying some stupid comments in support for lowlife.

They all embrace the works of Satan because they don't have the fortitude to truly stand up for Jesus Christ, when one has a job that's when the worldly cares makes way and the Holey Spirit comes 2ed.

I over heard this foolish RC priest say some weeks ago, calling his position a job  I thought what a fool he is, it's a vocation ! and the head of the RC school must be a bloody atheist because she sure as hell acts and pushes every thing like one and a horror at that and I am sure she would do everything in her power to oppose any child that came up claiming rape etc if it was to save face to her or the bloody school.

[chosenone]

see for example what Christ has to say about in gospels other than just at Matt.19:28 - wincam

can you answer my question

Have I got this right, are you saying that sexual abuse isnt as bad as emotional abuse?

[wincam]

Spiritual/Mental/Physical - what would be your order of precedence - wincam

[chosenone]

Spiritual/Mental/Physical - what would be your order of precedence - wincam

Can you not answer my question?

[Catholica]

With all fairness, such problems are in many churches, not just the RCC, but without question, they have a major problem on their hands, and I do not see a way out for them, based upon encouraging men and women to stay Celibacy.

The priest issue has been well addressed in the United States.  The issue is basically not principally one of pedophilia but one of pedarasty.  The distinction is important because pedarasty is an altogether different mental problem, one that stems from homosexuality rather than a desire for children.  To deal with the problem, the Church no longer ordains men who have homosexual tendencies.  And the solution is working.  If you follow the Church you can see, that incidents of child abuse are trending close to zero in the last 10-15 years.

This issue has nothing to do with celibacy.  The most likely person, on average, to abuse children in this way is a married adult male.  It is a myth that celibacy has anything to do with this.  And Jesus requires all people who are not married to remain chaste, even those who have not entered into any vows of celibacy.  And there are lots of unmarried non-priests as well. 

Uncleanness and fornication are in in most churches in some forms, even from its leaders, it is just not known as much, nevertheless is there. To think otherwise is to have ones head in the sand. It would not be fair to speak evil of every RCC because of such sins, for many of them are outrage of such wickedness. I do not believe that men Like Catholica is pleased with what he sees and know to be going on. He seems to be of man of character, who opposes such wickedness. It is high time that everyone show a strong disdain of those men who have used their power and position to abuse young boys, the lake of fire will be their final abode.

I do oppose such wickedness.  And Mike doesn't "see the outrage" because he hasn't looked for it.  There are plenty of Catholics who are outraged at the abuse that has happened.  The difference is that we don't see it as endemic to the priesthood, but rather it is a terrible flaw in the character of many people, some of whom happen to be priests and we rightly hold to a higher standard, which is why it makes the sin there more heinous.  If a non-priest abuses children, it is a sexual sin and an atrocity.  If a priest abuses a child, not only is it a sexual sin and an atrocity, but also affects a person's spiritual lives, and that is even more heinous before God.

[Catholica]

You can still serve an assembly, be a shepherd to His people, while being married. In fact, having a household would be a good thing for a shepherd. Both elders and bishops are recommended to have one wife, children raised well in the understanding of the Lord, even so much that Paul said If one cannot rule his household well, how can he the House of God? By hindering priests from getting married, you hinder their growth that would further serve the people of God. You also allow for temptations to never be relieved, as celibacy is a gift, and one with discipline, but not for everyone.

Yes and the no marriage rule has attracted a large proportion of phedophiles and homosexuals to the RC priesthood.

Not a large proportion, but rather a proportion in line with the general population.  And this problem is being eliminated by removing abusers from the priesthood and no longer ordaining people with homosexual tendencies.

[Catholica]

Would it be difficult to just let the priests marry?

No.  Priestly celibacy is a discipline in the Church, not a doctrine.  Thus it could be changed.  However it would not solve the problem we are speaking of.

[chosenone]

You can still serve an assembly, be a shepherd to His people, while being married. In fact, having a household would be a good thing for a shepherd. Both elders and bishops are recommended to have one wife, children raised well in the understanding of the Lord, even so much that Paul said If one cannot rule his household well, how can he the House of God? By hindering priests from getting married, you hinder their growth that would further serve the people of God. You also allow for temptations to never be relieved, as celibacy is a gift, and one with discipline, but not for everyone.

Yes and the no marriage rule has attracted a large proportion of phedophiles and homosexuals to the RC priesthood.

Not a large proportion, but rather a proportion in line with the general population.  And this problem is being eliminated by removing abusers from the priesthood and no longer ordaining people with homosexual tendencies.

there was a a study done that found that 70% of all American RC priests are gay. Most will not mention they are attracted to men for obvious reasons.

[Paulus]

There Is More Sexual Abuse In The Protestant Churches Than Catholic......http://shoebat.com/2014/05/06/sexual-abuse-protestant-churches-catholic/

[Catholica]

You can still serve an assembly, be a shepherd to His people, while being married. In fact, having a household would be a good thing for a shepherd. Both elders and bishops are recommended to have one wife, children raised well in the understanding of the Lord, even so much that Paul said If one cannot rule his household well, how can he the House of God? By hindering priests from getting married, you hinder their growth that would further serve the people of God. You also allow for temptations to never be relieved, as celibacy is a gift, and one with discipline, but not for everyone.

Yes and the no marriage rule has attracted a large proportion of phedophiles and homosexuals to the RC priesthood.

Not a large proportion, but rather a proportion in line with the general population.  And this problem is being eliminated by removing abusers from the priesthood and no longer ordaining people with homosexual tendencies.

there was a a study done that found that 70% of all American RC priests are gay. Most will not mention they are attracted to men for obvious reasons.

Yes, the infamous "study" that you quote but never give reference to. 

Even if this were so, not all people with homosexual tendencies abuse children.  So your point is moot.

Would you agree that 0% of protestants are sinless?

[Paulus]

While it is easy to point an accusing finger at the Catholic Church for decades of covered up child abuse, it appears to be far too easy to ignore the fact that the problem of coercive sex crimes are just as, if not more prevalent among Protestant churches in America today. Of course, we don't hear about them in the national news because they aren't inter-connected to a massive worldwide organization like the Vatican. However, isn't the scariest part that these crimes go on right in front of our nose while nobody really talks about it simply because Protestant pastors don't wear "funny robes"?..........http://www.awkwardmomentsbible.com/shocking-pastors-on-the-prowl/

[chosenone]

You can still serve an assembly, be a shepherd to His people, while being married. In fact, having a household would be a good thing for a shepherd. Both elders and bishops are recommended to have one wife, children raised well in the understanding of the Lord, even so much that Paul said If one cannot rule his household well, how can he the House of God? By hindering priests from getting married, you hinder their growth that would further serve the people of God. You also allow for temptations to never be relieved, as celibacy is a gift, and one with discipline, but not for everyone.

Yes and the no marriage rule has attracted a large proportion of phedophiles and homosexuals to the RC priesthood.

Not a large proportion, but rather a proportion in line with the general population.  And this problem is being eliminated by removing abusers from the priesthood and no longer ordaining people with homosexual tendencies.

there was a a study done that found that 70% of all American RC priests are gay. Most will not mention they are attracted to men for obvious reasons.

Yes, the infamous "study" that you quote but never give reference to. 

Even if this were so, not all people with homosexual tendencies abuse children.  So your point is moot.

Would you agree that 0% of protestants are sinless?

As long as you a carry on disobeying God by not appointing leaders who are married, it will carry on. I do believe that many priests are both gay and phedophiles which is why so many of them abuse little boys and not girls. In almost every case I have heard of it was boys who were abused.

[chosenone]

Read this

United States[edit]
Studies find it difficult to quantify specific percentages of Roman Catholic priests who have a homosexual orientation (either openly gay or closeted),.[7] Nevertheless, several studies suggest that the incidence of homosexuality in the Roman Catholic priesthood is much higher than in the general population as a whole.[8][9]

Studies by Wolf and Sipe from the early 1990s suggest that the percentage of priests in the Catholic Church who admitted to being gay or were in homosexual relationships was well above the national average for the United States of America.[10] Elizabeth Stuart, a former convener of the Catholic Caucus of the Lesbian and Gay Christian movement claimed, "It has been estimated that at least 33 percent of all priests in the RC Church in the United States are homosexual."[11]

The John Jay Report suggested that "homosexual men entered the seminaries in noticeable numbers from the late 1970s through the 1980s",[12] and available figures for homosexual priests in the United States range from 15–58%.[7][13]

One report suggested that since the mid-1980s Roman Catholic priests in the United States were dying from AIDS-related illnesses at a rate four times higher than that of the general population; with most of the cases contracted through same-sex relations, and the cause often concealed on their death certificates. A follow-up study done the next year by the Kansas City Star found AIDS-related death rate among priests was "more than six times" the rate among the general population in the 14 states studied.[14]

A 2002 Los Angeles Times nationwide poll of 1,854 priests (responding) reported that 9 percent of priests identified themselves as homosexual, and 6 percent as "somewhere in between but more on the homosexual side." Asked if a "homosexual subculture" (defined as a "definite group of persons that has its own friendships, social gatherings and vocabulary") existed in their diocese or religious order, 17 percent of the priests said "definitely," and 27 percent said "probably." 53 percent of priests who were ordained in the last 20 years (1982-2002) affirmed such a subculture existed in the seminary when they attended.[13]

Shortly after the Vatican ordered an "apostolic visitation", to examine American seminaries directed by the Vatican. The visitation began in 2005, and the final report of that effort was issued in 2008. The report spoke about "difficulties in the area of morality", usually (but not exclusively) homosexual behavior". Steps were subsequently taken to deal with the problem, including correcting a "laxity of discipline".[15]

[Catholica]

You can still serve an assembly, be a shepherd to His people, while being married. In fact, having a household would be a good thing for a shepherd. Both elders and bishops are recommended to have one wife, children raised well in the understanding of the Lord, even so much that Paul said If one cannot rule his household well, how can he the House of God? By hindering priests from getting married, you hinder their growth that would further serve the people of God. You also allow for temptations to never be relieved, as celibacy is a gift, and one with discipline, but not for everyone.

Yes and the no marriage rule has attracted a large proportion of phedophiles and homosexuals to the RC priesthood.

Not a large proportion, but rather a proportion in line with the general population.  And this problem is being eliminated by removing abusers from the priesthood and no longer ordaining people with homosexual tendencies.

there was a a study done that found that 70% of all American RC priests are gay. Most will not mention they are attracted to men for obvious reasons.

Yes, the infamous "study" that you quote but never give reference to. 

Even if this were so, not all people with homosexual tendencies abuse children.  So your point is moot.

Would you agree that 0% of protestants are sinless?

As long as you a carry on disobeying God by not appointing leaders who are married, it will carry on.

That's ridiculous.  This particular scandal is unique to the 20th century.  The celibate Catholic priesthood goes back over a thousand years.  They aren't related.  That is a very worldly argument to suggest that they are.

Matthew 19
10The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry."
11Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

Jesus says that some have given up marital relations for the sake of the kingdom.  Those who can accept this should accept it.

1 Cor 7
8 But I say to the unmarried, and to the widows: It is good for them if they so continue, even as I.
....
32 But I would have you to be without solicitude. He that is without a wife, is solicitous for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please God.
33 But he that is with a wife, is solicitous for the things of the world, how he may please his wife: and he is divided.

Paul promoted the virtues of celibacy as well.

We are in good company with our celibate priesthood.  A sign of contradiction to the world.  And a sign of the unmarried life to come in heaven, solely dedicated to God.

I do believe that many priests are both gay and phedophiles which is why so many of them abuse little boys and not girls. In almost every case I have heard of it was boys who were abused.

1. That's why abusers are being removed from the priesthood and no new men with homosexual tendencies are being ordained.
2. What percentage of Protestant pastors never sin?

[Catholica]

Read this

United States[edit]
Studies find it difficult to quantify specific percentages of Roman Catholic priests who have a homosexual orientation (either openly gay or closeted),.[7] Nevertheless, several studies suggest that the incidence of homosexuality in the Roman Catholic priesthood is much higher than in the general population as a whole.[8][9]

Studies by Wolf and Sipe from the early 1990s suggest that the percentage of priests in the Catholic Church who admitted to being gay or were in homosexual relationships was well above the national average for the United States of America.[10] Elizabeth Stuart, a former convener of the Catholic Caucus of the Lesbian and Gay Christian movement claimed, "It has been estimated that at least 33 percent of all priests in the RC Church in the United States are homosexual."[11]

The John Jay Report suggested that "homosexual men entered the seminaries in noticeable numbers from the late 1970s through the 1980s",[12] and available figures for homosexual priests in the United States range from 15–58%.[7][13]

One report suggested that since the mid-1980s Roman Catholic priests in the United States were dying from AIDS-related illnesses at a rate four times higher than that of the general population; with most of the cases contracted through same-sex relations, and the cause often concealed on their death certificates. A follow-up study done the next year by the Kansas City Star found AIDS-related death rate among priests was "more than six times" the rate among the general population in the 14 states studied.[14]

A 2002 Los Angeles Times nationwide poll of 1,854 priests (responding) reported that 9 percent of priests identified themselves as homosexual, and 6 percent as "somewhere in between but more on the homosexual side." Asked if a "homosexual subculture" (defined as a "definite group of persons that has its own friendships, social gatherings and vocabulary") existed in their diocese or religious order, 17 percent of the priests said "definitely," and 27 percent said "probably." 53 percent of priests who were ordained in the last 20 years (1982-2002) affirmed such a subculture existed in the seminary when they attended.[13]

Shortly after the Vatican ordered an "apostolic visitation", to examine American seminaries directed by the Vatican. The visitation began in 2005, and the final report of that effort was issued in 2008. The report spoke about "difficulties in the area of morality", usually (but not exclusively) homosexual behavior". Steps were subsequently taken to deal with the problem, including correcting a "laxity of discipline".[15]

Sounds like poorly designed studies; the results are WILDLY varying.  But nowhere do I see 70% as you claim.  Which is preposterous.

Sure there were some men who were gay who became ordained.  They probably wanted to live a virtuous life and be chaste at one point.  In reality less than 4% of priests abused underage persons, of that about 3 of the 4% was due to homosexual pedarasty.

That's in line with all of culture.  And at least one study has shown that Protestant pastors are MORE likely to abuse.

Read some of the articles that Paulus posted.  Where is the "just outrage" for Protestant pastor pedophiles?

[wincam]

and believe it or not no outrage at all against mental or spiritual abuse which according to scriptures should be feared even more[Matt.10:28] -wincam

[DaveW]

Not a large proportion, but rather a proportion in line with the general population. 

Indeed.  But the media has blown it out of proportion by focusing only on the RCC priests and not protestant ministers and other ped abusers in the overall population.

So it ends up LOOKING like it is a huge issue there and no where else.