Question For Jehovahs Witness

[KiwiChristian]

If the name Jehovah is so important, then why is it never used in the entire Greek New Testament? If men edited out the name of God, "YHWH" when they copied the New Testament, as only the Watchtower organization claims, then how can we have any confidence in any of the New Testament? Should we discard the New Testament or the Watchtower organization as unreliable?

[LaSpino3]

What the witnesses don't understand is the following: Let me begin with a few other examples.

Abram was his earthly name, God changed it to Abraham, his new heavenly name. You can look up the meaning of each change.

Jacob was his earthly name, Israel is his God given name, or heavenly name.

Saul was his earthly name, Paul is his God given name.

Now concerning the title Jehovah, that's the Creator's heavenly name; a name that describes his many attributes as God. and when he came to us in the form of a man, he is to be called Jesus, that name points out Jehovah's reason for taking on flesh, he is called Jesus, meaning he has come to be the "Savior of men". And the title "Christ" it points to him being the Jewish Messiah, their King, High Priest, and prophet.

Laspino3

[KiwiChristian]

Moses asked God in the burning bush what His name was.

What did God reply?

He said His name is "ego eimi"

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

Moses asked God in the burning bush what His name was.

What did God reply?

He said His name is "ego eimi"

Well, that's the Greek translation. 

You know what I find interesting... usually names are transliterated rather than translated.  But not in this case.   

[KiwiChristian]

Well, that's the Greek translation. 

You know what I find interesting... usually names are transliterated rather than translated.  But not in this case.   

"translation" ?

I quoted the original Greek word! i did NOT translate".

"ἐγὼ εἰμί" if you want to split hairs.

Now, if it IS a "transliteration", PROVE IT. WHO transliterated it and WHEN? Name and date, please.

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

"translation" ?

I quoted the original Greek word! i did NOT translate".

"ἐγὼ εἰμί" if you want to split hairs.

Now, if it IS a "transliteration", PROVE IT. WHO transliterated it and WHEN? Name and date, please.

Seems like something got lost in translation. 

I know you didn't translate, but someone did, because the story of Moses was not written in Greek - it was written in Hebrew.

What is curious is that typically when there is a name, it is transliterated.  If a man is named Joshua in English, Joshua is still his name in Spanish, Hebrew, Greek, and every other language, because it is his name.  It isn't translated to Josue' or Yehoshua, even those names are functionally the same thing in the other language.

However, whoever-it-was that translated from Hebrew into Greek, did not treat YHWH as a name.  They translated it to ἐγὼ εἰμί.

Jarrod

[KiwiChristian]

Seems like something got lost in translation. 

Nope.

I know you didn't translate, but someone did, because the story of Moses was not written in Greek - it was written in Hebrew.

I didnt quote Hebrew. I quoted from John. Which was written in GREEK.

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

Are you really this dense?  You referred to the story of the burning bush.  It's in Exodus and Deuteronomy.  The verses in John are referring to those older books.

[KiwiChristian]

Not dense, just forgot which i quoted.

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

No worries.  Sorry to be unkind.  I felt like I was getting jerked about, there.

[Kenneth Sublett]

However, whoever-it-was that translated from Hebrew into Greek, did not treat YHWH as a name.

True: there various forms of both lord and God among the ancient and modern pagans.

1Cor. 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1Cor. 8:6 But to us there is
          but one God [Theos], the Father, OF whom are all things, and we in him;
          and one Lord [Kurios] Jesus Christ, BY whom are all things, and we by him.

The TRUE Lord-God understood that the NAME is not enough to keep people from trouble.

Ex. 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Ex. 3:15 And God said MOREOVER unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel,
      The Lord [yhwh] God [the only real ELOHIM] of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac,
      and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name (honor and authority) for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

God said I AM the Lord-God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac,
      and the God of Jacob,

hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Joshua translated as Jesus is THE BRANCH and a hyphenated form of His Father.

Zech. 3:8 Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH.

3091. Ao...wvwøh◊y Yhowshuwa{, yeh-ho-shoo´-ah; or
Ao¨vwøh◊y Yhowshua, yeh-ho-shoo´-ah; from 3068 and 3467; Yhwh-saved; Jehoshua (i.e. Joshua), the Jewish leader:—Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua. Compare 1954, 3442.

Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the NAME of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
Acts 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is NON OTHER name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Lots of people are rushing to remove CHRIST from their public confession.

[Kenneth Sublett]

The translators or maybe the text reverses Lord and God

The Lord (yhwh) is defined as the only true God (elohim)

Yhwh shows up in the text as Lord-God

In the New Testament God is (Theos) and Lord is (Kurios)

[KiwiChristian]

True: there various forms of both lord and God among the ancient and modern pagans.

1Cor. 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)


KEYWORD HERE IS "CALLED"

1Cor. 8:6 But to us there is
          but one God [Theos], the Father, OF whom are all things, and we in him;
          and one Lord [Kurios] Jesus Christ, BY whom are all things, and we by him.

I believe the Granville Sharp rule applies here.