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[Texas Conservative]

Mutiple posts now deleted without notice.  Without explanation. 

[Jaime]

Chosenone, what is your explanation?

[chosenone]

I am sure you are aware Jamie that the lady who posted the original thread asked for it to be removed, after she was treated appallingly and rudely here by some members. I didnt remove that one because someone had already done it. Other attempts to bring the subject up again and make fun of her situation in further threads started were also removed for obvious reasons. There was no need to give any explanation or notice.

Sometimes I am ashamed to be part of the Christian community. 

[Texas Conservative]

I am sure you are aware Jamie that the lady who posted the original thread asked for it to be removed, after she was treated appallingly and rudely here by some members. I didnt remove that one because someone had already done it. Other attempts to bring the subject up again and make fun of her situation in further threads started were also removed for obvious reasons. There was no need to give any explanation or notice.

Sometimes I am ashamed to be part of the Christian community.

I am ashamed of how unprofessional it is to remove posts without warning or notice.

[Jaime]

I still think the OP on that thread was a classic troll. It was way beyond the pale to bring up such a topic on your first post.

If a thread is to be removed, especially with another mod involved, an explanation is proper.

[Alan]

I still think the OP on that thread was a classic troll. It was way beyond the pale to bring up such a topic on your first post.

If a thread is to be removed, especially with another mod involved, an explanation is proper.

An explanation to the OP yes, other posters no.

[Jaime]

TC had an OP deleted where he was asking about the other deleted thread.

If another mod is involved, an explanation IS a courtesy that should not be ignored.

The OP was as clearly a troll as any I have seen. I am embarrassed that some didn't recognize it.

[chosenone]

I cant believe that some here dont realise that things like her situation exist. I have heard of that particular one before several times.
When a poster has been treated so terribly and asked for her thread to be deleted, I am not going to explain to anyone who tries to bring it up again just so that there can be more rudeness why I am removing their thread. Its pretty obvious. 

[Alan]

TC had an OP deleted where he was asking about the other deleted thread.

If another mod is involved, an explanation IS a courtesy that should not be ignored.

The OP was as clearly a troll as any I have seen. I am embarrassed that some didn't recognize it.

What has brought you to the conclusion that she was a troll? Although weird and disgusting, I know that her son would be just one of many, many sickos in this day and age that get their jollies in the most despicable way imaginable. Is it not possible that in her state of emotion she came here to look for guidance, possibly too embarrassed to speak to anyone in real life?

[Jaime]

I disagree Chosen. I believe she was a troll. It was WAY too bizarre. Yes I realize people have adults living with them that have various challenges, but she mentioned nothing about any mental challenges and her response was as mentally challenged as her son's was, if it was true. I don't believe it was true. If it was She's got issues as strange as her son's. Some things just don't pass muster with credibility. I agreed with TC, RB, and Mommydi on this one. I May have been too harsh, but jeez Louise! If I'm out of line, come to me privately or on the mod forum and we can discuss. That's what we do as mods.

My first response to her was to tell her that she AND her son need to get help. That didn't go very far. I was not opposed to deleting her ridiculous thread, but with other mods involved, some discussion probably should have taken place. I mean, how many ignorant threads did we have recently on, "will masturbation send you to hell".

I have seen several threads started by trolls that didn't immediately send up a flag like this one.

[Texas Conservative]

I cant believe that some here dont realise that things like her situation exist. I have heard of that particular one before several times.
When a poster has been treated so terribly and asked for her thread to be deleted, I am not going to explain to anyone who tries to bring it up again just so that there can be more rudeness why I am removing their thread. Its pretty obvious.

I had a thread this morning that was deleted asking why posts were being deleted.  Have some accountability.

[RB]

Sometimes I am ashamed to be part of the Christian community.

That's a strange statement. Judy, then if what was said offended you, then you have a problem with truth. I could give you some very straightforward talk by Christ that would offend you~ I'm pretty sure of that. No one said anything out of the way to her other than speaking truth to her, If she was a person with the problem she said that she had. If she truly is a person with the problem she said that she had, and was offended by what was said, then she does not want help or any advice from the scriptures.

You know Judy, nowhere in the NT do we read of Christians being offended, ONLY those who embraced false doctrine and those that truly were not after the truth. Again, I could give you scriptures proving my point, but scriptures are not what you want to hear~for its cuts to our hearts when our habits/doctrines are against the holy word of God. We can deceive ourselves very easily thinking our ways are right if we refuse to honestly hear God's word.

If people are not ready to accept what others say if supported with scriptures, then they should not ask for advice. Here is what most want...

Isaiah 30:19,10~"That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD: Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:"

There are MANY that will speak JUST WHAT you and others want them to say...I will not.

[mommydi]

There appears to be two topics in this thread-

1. A mod who oversteps boundaries and doesn't follow mod forum etiquette.
2. How the newbie was treated and if he/she was a troll or not.

On #1 - I'm no mod, but it definitely appears that one did overstep her boundaries.
On #2 - I still think the newbie was a troll for numerous reasons - and some too graphic to post here on a public forum. Also, RB told her she was involving herself in incestuous acts with her adult son when she tugged as his dirty diaper and looked in, and participated in this role playing with him -  and that is absolutely correct. I don't want to go into detail why that's so, but it is. The poster disagreed with him - and also claimed there was nothing sexual about her son's fetish - even after claiming to research it online.  It's obvious she wasn't here for Christian counsel, but here for another reason. After researching her son's fetish, still claiming it was nothing sexual, and rejecting RB's counsel, and the inconsistencies in her posts - I still say she wasn't on the up and up.

[Alan]

There appears to be two topics in this thread-

1. A mod who oversteps boundaries and doesn't follow mod forum etiquette.
2. How the newbie was treated and if he/she was a troll or not.

On #1 - I'm no mod, but it definitely appears that one did overstep her boundaries.
On #2 - I still think the newbie was a troll for numerous reasons - and some too graphic to post here on a public forum. Also, RB told her she was involving herself in incestuous acts with her adult son when she tugged as his dirty diaper and looked in, and participated in this role playing with him -  and that is absolutely correct. I don't want to go into detail why that's so, but it is. The poster disagreed with him - and also claimed there was nothing sexual about her son's fetish - even after claiming to research it online.  It's obvious she wasn't here for Christian counsel, but here for another reason. After researching her son's fetish, still claiming it was nothing sexual, and rejecting RB's counsel, and the inconsistencies in her posts - I still say she wasn't on the up and up.

So what were the "other"reasons that she was here? If she was a troll, what was she attempting to accomplish aside from the content in her thread?

I personally think some of you acted inappropriately in that instance, there are lots of strange people out there and her asking for help on-line in a christian forum seemed a likely choice for someone in that position.

I'd prefer appreciate if you all would give people the benefit of the doubt, or turn the page when dealing with these kinds of threads, calling people a troll on a hunch is just not acceptable behavior.

[RB]

I'm turning the page on this after I say these few words. 

Anyone who is easily offended is controlled by pride and self-worth. It is almost impossible to offend a true child of God, almost impossible. You can make their hearts sad, but to offend them, you cannot. Even if someone thought that she was a troll, SO WHAT? I personally never thought so, maybe I'm naive more than I thought I was, but, so be it.

When a person seeks advice, then they should embrace themselves for what they are seeking, and THINK the BEST of everyone's intention in helping. This according to Paul is true charity, which we all should be given over to in all things that we do and say. Sometimes true charity speaks without hypocrisy to "help" those they truly love. When someone does not speak with charity, then they are serving themselves not those they are counseling with to help them.

leviticus 19:17~"Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him."

Most people have no clue what it truly means to love your neighbour as thyself. They think saying things that make them feel good (when they know what they are saying is NOT what they need to hear, but what they WANT to hear) when they are in a hurtful and bad situation!

[Alan]

Anyone who is easily offended is controlled by pride and self-worth. It is almost impossible to offend a true child of God, almost impossible. You can make their hearts sad, but to offend them, you cannot. Even if someone thought that she was a troll, SO WHAT? I personally never thought so, maybe I'm naive more than I thought I was, but, so be it.

While your words may be true, we should not be the ones to set the bar here at Grace Centered, everyone is entitled to learn and grow into that "true child of God". Our job is to help people achieve that goal, I think that might be biblical also 

[Jaime]

Alan, you asked above, if she was a troll what was she tying to accomplish. Who knows with with any troll? Have we ever dissected the motive of any troll other than to cause chaos? I still believe she was a troll, and if she wasn't, she didn't need to be out in public. I will strive to be more patient in the future and give the benefit of the doubt. But when a thread just keeps getting weirder and weirder, that is a sure sign to me that something is amiss.

[mommydi]

I'm ready to turn the page on this, too. This is my last post on this subject.

I wasn't "offended" by the OP. Not at all. I've heard/discussed this very topic and even more bizarre scenarios in college Human Sexuality courses. That wasn't the point. In my experience, when a newbie comes to a forum, and his/her first post is one intended to shock (which the OP claimed hers was shocking) then that's the first red flag. Then, when his/her posts are riddled with inconsistencies, that's usually confirmation of either a troll, or someone so troubled that chatting on a message board will not help and only drags the forum down into a dark abyss of nastiness. Over-the-top subject matter that's intended to shock + multiple inconsistencies + refusing to take counsel or believe facts = usually troll or someone so mentally troubled that no amount of amateur online counseling can help. Throwing a scripture at her, or telling her to find a good church home is useless in this situation.

I'm finished with this one. Over and done.

[Alan]

She didn't have any of the usual "troll" characteristics regarding her account, her IP checked out to a residential address and ZIP, which is something trolls always avoid.

Afterward, her message and plea to delete the thread seemed very sad. Her topic was weird beyond belief and I had no words to help her with her situation, but I understand her reaching out to a community for help as an alternative to speaking to people in real life, that has to be an extremely embarrassing situation. I think if my son ever did that to me I'd deck him  , probably not, but I really do not know what I would do.

I also think her son drew her into his "coming out", probably with the aid of his on-line pooper community. 

[Texas Conservative]

She didn't have any of the usual "troll" characteristics regarding her account, her IP checked out to a residential address and ZIP, which is something trolls always avoid.

Afterward, her message and plea to delete the thread seemed very sad. Her topic was weird beyond belief and I had no words to help her with her situation, but I understand her reaching out to a community for help as an alternative to speaking to people in real life, that has to be an extremely embarrassing situation. I think if my son ever did that to me I'd deck him  , probably not, but I really do not know what I would do.

I also think her son drew her into his "coming out", probably with the aid of his on-line pooper community.

The reason i started this thread is my threads were deleted twice.  One of which was a "why was my post deleted" and had nothing to do with pooping.  When an unprofessional act by a mod is taken, how can you even discuss it?  No recourse to even pm a mod if said mod is not transparent in their actions.

[Alan]

The reason i started this thread is my threads were deleted twice.  One of which was a "why was my post deleted" and had nothing to do with pooping.  When an unprofessional act by a mod is taken, how can you even discuss it?  No recourse to even pm a mod if said mod is not transparent in their actions.

I understand, let's just wait for chosen to chime in here and give her thoughts.

[Jaime]

Alan, trolling and being a typical troll are lightyears apart. I felt this lady was classically trolling, but definitely not our persistant troll(s). Semantics mean everything. I should have been clearer.

In my opinion trolling is posting statements to evoke certain responses, exactly what the scores of "will masturbation send you to hell" type threads. Just as certain types of fishing are called trolling, trolling is definitely casting a bait looking for a particular response or shock value.

I should have simply ignored her thread, but it was like a train wreck, i couldn't look away.

[Texas Conservative]

I understand, let's just wait for chosen to chime in here and give her thoughts.

She did in reply #2.  An unacceptable response, but she replied.