Can the 144,000 have already passed on? Or are they all Alive today?

[afaithfulone4u]

The Bible tells us that they are all Alive, meaning above ground and have the Breath of life in them the Holy Spirit of God. If they were not all alive at this time, then there would be no need of them being sealed from harm that is coming upon the earth. But these will be the kings and priests of God of the FIRST Resurrection as it is written in Rev. and they will rule and reign with Christ for the 1,000 yrs.

Rev 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.KJV

Remember that spiritual Israel is not natural Israel for those who remain led by their flesh can not inherit the kingdom of heaven. But just as the sons of Jacob were of Jew and Gentile mothers, but one father. So is restored spiritual Israel whom we have been brought into through Christ of Jew and Gentile mothers in the flesh, yet our rebirth is through our mother Heavenly Jerusalem and one Father God!

Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
KJV

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.KJV

This is not the birth of Jesus for Revelation is of things to come given to John, BY JESUS. Besides Jesus was not caught up as in QUICKLY, but he ascended.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.KJV

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Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.KJV

This is not the birth of Jesus for Revelation is of things to come given to John, BY JESUS. Besides Jesus was not caught up as in QUICKLY, but he ascended.



KNOWLEDGE BOMB replies:

1. It most certainly is the birth of Jesus.... Only Christ rules with a rod of iron and was caught up to the right hand of power... Who else has a throne in heaven....


The revelation of Jesus does not happen until Christ opens the first seal to reveal to us what's to be....  Revelation means to reveal and when he opens the first seal the rider on the white horse starts the tribulation.... He is the man of Daniel 9:27.... Everything before John seeing the book that Jesus opens (5:1) happens while johns in heaven in spirit... He describes heaven and while it reveals heaven to us through johns eyes, it has already happened while John was there...

The book contains the revelations! And the first seal starts it all off!

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Besides Jesus was not caught up as in QUICKLY, but he ascended


KNOWLEDGE BOMB replies:

I like how you add the word quickly in big letters to try and make your point... Caught up no where means in a hurry nor is it any different than ascended and how would you know the difference anyway?    Rev is Not in order front to back....

12:1 the woman is Mary
12:2 being with child
12:3 Satan appears and trys to kill the child (when Herod kills all males two and under)
the dragon has:

7 heads - Satan was king over the 7 world kingdoms (17:10)
10 horns - 10 leaders who bring the 7th kingdom to power (one not yet) (17:12)
7 crowns - a crown for each kingdom

the Antichrist in contrast has:
7 heads - same as above - shows power comes from Satan (13:4)
10 horns - 10 men who give allengence to Antichrist bringing him to power
10 crowns - a crown for each of the 10 kings

only Jesus rules ALL Nations with a Rod of Iron - Rev 19:15

btw 12:6 is Israel of tribulation same as 12:14 and is refering to Daniel 11:41 where god protects the fleeing Jews who are told to flee matt 24:15-21  mark 13:14-19  Luke 21:20-24

[TheMatrixHasU71]

the 144 000 are all Jews who will be chosen by God during the seven year Tribulation to spread the Gospel to the world. The JW idea that those among them are the 144000 is false.