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Proclaiming the Sabbath more fully at the End Time

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Gerhard Ebersöhn

QuoteYou have received what? Wow! Someone is nice to you on the internet and you claim it as a validation of your secret gospel.

Defeated angel of darkness

Shubee

QuoteDefeated angel of darkness

Yes, your case appears hopeless but don't despair. Maybe God will be gracious enough to break you out of your willful delusions in which you are so slaphappily encased.   

Gerhard Ebersöhn

QuoteYes, your case appears hopeless but don't despair. Maybe God will be gracious enough to break you out of your willful delusions in which you are so slaphappily encased.

Not I nor the readers nor God is 'slaphappily' accepting your yapping against his Word of Truth. You are hyper Seventh Day Adventist in every respect and nothing else or better. God is real and when He judges, shows no grace and has no mercy. PRESENT, SHOW, WRITE DOWN, HERE, my 'willful delusions'.

Shubee

QuotePRESENT, SHOW, WRITE DOWN, HERE, my 'willful delusions'.
Your secret gospel is hidden and is thus a willful delusion. The true gospel is open and easily accessible.

Gerhard Ebersöhn

QuoteYour secret gospel is hidden and is thus a willful delusion. The true gospel is open and easily accessible.

You've got good news for me? Then tell me my, 'secret gospel', please? You'll most probably tell me, my 'secret gospel' is my 'willful delusion'. So thank you, now I know I had a 'secret' and 'willful delusion', 'gospel'. Maybe informative but nothing interesting from a mammoth intellectual, and therefore, quite disappointing.

beam

1Jn3: 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 

Seems like this thread has turned into a I got ya one better.

Gerhard Ebersöhn

#41
1John 3: 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

The Law and this Christ's Commandment in particular has been given us that not one of us shall be righteous but everyone of us shall be a transgressor falling short in believing on the Name of God's Son Jesus Christ and in loving one another. God never commanded his children a harsher or more exacting Law. Some may think they keep the Sabbath Commandment, but no one can even think to get away with this New Commandment. But check it up, this, Jesus' New Commandment, is exactly identical the Commandment HE, GAVE, US, in the OT Law; it is only the Name of God I-AM which is here, "the Name of his - God's - Son Jesus Christ". You must love "the LORD GOD"--"his Son Jesus Christ" and "your neighbour"--"one another". It is the SAME LAW with which the OT people of God could not get away with, in other words, could not keep, while they might have thought they could keep the Ten Commandments plus all the other old Laws and even WITH OATH COVENANTED THAT THEY WOULD.

What are we, today, better than they? We are worse! So don't abuse Jesus' New Commandment for spiritual pride and self-righteousness! This "His Commandment", is the ultimate LAW which kills. NO Law of God's, saves! God's FORGIVENESS saves! God being the Law UNTO HIMSELF is what and Who, PERSONALLY, saves YOU. God is love; his Law is justice. No one is justified or redeemed or saved by the Law's works; but by God's works of love and grace.

Shubee

QuoteYou must love "the LORD GOD"--"his Son Jesus Christ" and "your neighbour"
I couldn't possibly be loving without pointing out that you are a fulfillment of prophecy:

After the truth has been proclaimed as a witness to all nations, every conceivable power of evil will be set in operation, and minds will be confused by many voices crying, "Lo, here is Christ, Lo, he is there. This is the truth, I have the message from God, he has sent me with great light."  —Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, December 13, 1892.

The message that Christ was resurrected on the Seventh-day of the week is just as relevant as the attempt to prove that Jesus Christ presented the Sermon on the Mount on a Tuesday.

Gerhard Ebersöhn

#43
QuoteThe message that Christ was resurrected on the Seventh-day of the week is just as relevant as the attempt to prove that Jesus Christ presented the Sermon on the Mount on a Tuesday.

For you; not according to the Scriptures though.
No sermon of his could be greater than Jesus' SERMON which He Saviour God Lord and Christ by ACT according to the Scriptures, Promise and Prophetic Word of God, "by the EXCEEDING greatness of his Power which God WORKED, RAISING Christ from the dead", "SPOKE, THUS, concerning The Seventh Day".

God through Jesus Christ through Resurrection from the dead IS IT WHO ATTACHES MEANING AND IMPORTANCE and EXCLUSIVITY TO "THE SEVENTH DAY SABBATH OF THE LORD GOD".

Your vain assumption that Jesus 'presented the Sermon on the Mount on a Tuesday', is as irrelevant as your Shubertian 'message' of a Sunday resurrection.




beam

Quote from: Gerhard Ebersöhn on Tue Nov 13, 2018 - 14:01:54
1John 3: 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

But check it up, this, Jesus' New Commandment, is exactly identical the Commandment HE, GAVE, US, in the OT Law;
Lets check your statement out and see if it is correct.

Jn 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.


Please show us any command that equals Jesus command to us.   How much does Jesus love us?   Enough to lay down His life for us.    Jesus asks us to lay down our lives for friends.  Everyone should be our friends.

Shubee

QuoteNo sermon of his could be greater than Jesus' SERMON which He Saviour God Lord and Christ by ACT according to the Scriptures, Promise and Prophetic Word of God, "by the EXCEEDING greatness of his Power which God WORKED, RAISING Christ from the dead", "SPOKE, THUS, concerning The Seventh Day".

What ridiculous blasphemy, cobbling together disparate Scriptural phrases to sustain the fantasies of your own mind. Wouldn't you be better off confessing that you have no Scriptures proving that Christ was resurrected on the seventh day of the week?

Christ rested in the tomb on the Sabbath day, and when holy beings of both heaven and earth were astir on the morning of the first day of the week, He rose from the grave to renew His work of teaching His disciples. But this fact does not consecrate the first day of the week, and make it a Sabbath.  {FLB 303.2} 

Gerhard Ebersöhn

#46
QuoteShubee:
What ridiculous blasphemy, cobbling together disparate Scriptural phrases to sustain the fantasies of your own mind. Wouldn't you be better off confessing that you have no Scriptures proving that Christ was resurrected on the seventh day of the week?

Christ rested in the tomb on the Sabbath day, and when holy beings of both heaven and earth were astir on the morning of the first day of the week, He rose from the grave to renew His work of teaching His disciples. But this fact does not consecrate the first day of the week, and make it a Sabbath.  {FLB 303.2}

'disparate Scriptural phrases...'? -- '...the fantasies of your mind'!

'Wouldn't (I) be better off confessing that (I) have no Scriptures proving that Christ was resurrected on the seventh day of the week?'
I couldn't for ALL the Scriptures proving that Christ would, and, was, resurrected on the Seventh Day of the week!
Or how would you say "rested God" if not by having raised Christ from the dead ON THE DAY OF GOD'S, REST?

Like you, E.G. White and SDA, say, 'Christ rested in the tomb on the Sabbath day' in and as 'the second death' punishment for sinners' sin, and not as his "flesh rested IN HOPE", and, unlike in the 'second death', not "because it was impossible that He should be holden ... in the pains of death", but, according to you, because it was impossible He should NOT be holden by the pains of the godless in hell -- which is blasphemy if ever there has been blasphemy spoken by a human being.
You have no idea what Jesus' 'rest' in his grave was on the Sabbath Day; it was his abiding in the shadow of the Almighty "according to the Scriptures", and the beginning already of his exaltation under the Shekina Glory of God covering the Ark of the Testimony in the Most Holy Place of the Tabernacle and "PRESENCE OF I-AM THE LORD WITH YOU" even in death!

So rested God in Christ in the tomb on the Sabbath Day, BUT ULTIMATELY BY HAVING REVIVED AND RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD.

You cannot comprehend any of it, you are proving. Yet God may cause faith to rise in your heart still, I would not know. But while you consider or rather reject the Scripture-Truth as 'ridiculous blasphemy' and 'cobbling together disparate Scriptural phrases to sustain the fantasies' of some reprehensible reprobate's 'mind', I don't think it's likely.


Shubee

QuoteYou have no idea what Jesus' 'rest' in his grave was on the Sabbath Day

I'm content being silent where Scripture is silent.

Gerhard Ebersöhn

QuoteShubee:
I'm content being silent where Scripture is silent.

Content you are, in laodicean contentedness. 'Where ignorance is bliss...'!

Be wise! RECONSIDER all you are content with, because that shall be your salvation.

And don't be led by 'inspiration'; inspiration works in arts, adoration and apathy; not in trial, test, or trust.

Fact is, Scripture is NOT 'silent' where it concerns God's Works-of-HIS-Sabbath's-Rest, his Great Deeds "on the Seventh Day",
"BLESSING the Seventh Day",
"FINISHING / COMPLETING / PERFECTING the Seventh Day",
"SANCTIFYING / HALLOWING / SETTING APART / EXCLUDING That Day the Seventh Day"
FOR WHAT?
For it having been and for it to be:
"That Day The Seventh Day Sabbath-REST-DAY OF THE LORD YOUR GOD"
through Jesus Christ,
in Jesus Christ,
by Jesus Christ,
for Jesus Christ
to be: "The Lord's Day", the Lord's Day
through Resurrection "on" it; the Lord's Day
in having been raised from the dead "in" it; the Lord's Day
by Resurrection from the dead "while being Sabbath's-time"; the Lord's Day
FOR TO RISE "the Sabbath was MADE" :
"the Lord's Day", "The Lordly Day of the Lord" "Sabbath OF THE LORD YOUR GOD".

Take away or stop before these Scripture truths had become realised, FULFILLED, history and TRUTH in the Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead "ON THE SABBATH DAY mid-afternoon before the First Day of the week" Matthew 28:1-4, and DEATH'S silence as if in the graves of the ungodly fall upon all "The Scriptures", from Genesis to Revelation and the Last Trump of Christ's Coming.


Shubee

QuoteBe wise! RECONSIDER all you are content with, because that shall be your salvation.
I regularly review The Fundamental Beliefs of Seventh-day Millerites, Circa 2018, which explains the joy of my salvation. I am especially content with the fullness of joy in the Spirit of truth.


Gerhard Ebersöhn

#50
QuoteShubee:
I regularly review The Fundamental Beliefs of Seventh-day Millerites, Circa 2018, which explains the joy of my salvation. I am especially content with the fullness of joy in the Spirit of truth.

... yet you stated before: Q~Shubert's Date Line Existence Theorem has monumental consequences for everyone slavishly devoted to exalting Ellen G. White.~Q
What are you doing here and in 'The Fundamental Beliefs of Seventh-day Millerites'?

Shubee

Quote... yet you stated before: Q~Shubert's Date Line Existence Theorem has monumental consequences for everyone slavishly devoted to exalting Ellen G. White.~Q
What are you doing here and in 'The Fundamental Beliefs of Seventh-day Millerites'?

Don't you know? Truth is only for those who are willing to receive it.

Gerhard Ebersöhn

QuoteShubee:
Don't you know? Truth is only for those who are willing to receive it.

Yes no; that is the FUNDAMENTAL difference between Catholic, SDA and Shubertian, and Reformed Protestant Christian faith.

beam

Gerhard, you forgot to answer my post #44. Scripture indicates the commands are different.  Gerhard indicates they are the same.  Will Gerhard fess up? ::juggle::

Gerhard Ebersöhn

QuoteBeam:
Please show us any command that equals Jesus command to us.   How much does Jesus love us?   Enough to lay down His life for us.    Jesus asks us to lay down our lives for friends.  Everyone should be our friends.

QuoteBeam:
Gerhard, you forgot to answer my post #44. Scripture indicates the commands are different.  Gerhard indicates they are the same.  Will Gerhard fess up?

What does 'fess up' mean?

I answered you in this post,

http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/seventh-day-adventist-forum-(sda)/proclaining-the-sabbath-more-fully-at-the-end-time/new/#new#41
Gerhard Ebersöhn
Re: Proclaiming the Sabbath more fully at the End Time Reply #41
1John 3: 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

The Law and this Christ's Commandment in particular has been given us that not one of us shall be righteous but everyone of us shall be a transgressor falling short in believing on the Name of God's Son Jesus Christ and in loving one another. God never commanded his children a harsher or more exacting Law. Some may think they keep the Sabbath Commandment, but no one can even think to get away with this New Commandment. But check it up, this, Jesus' New Commandment, is exactly identical the Commandment HE, GAVE, US, in the OT Law; it is only the Name of God I-AM which is here, "the Name of his - God's - Son Jesus Christ". You must love "the LORD GOD"--"his Son Jesus Christ" and "your neighbour"--"one another". It is the SAME LAW with which the OT people of God could not get away with, in other words, could not keep, while they might have thought they could keep the Ten Commandments plus all the other old Laws and even WITH OATH COVENANTED THAT THEY WOULD.

What are we, today, better than they? We are worse! So don't abuse Jesus' New Commandment for spiritual pride and self-righteousness! This "His Commandment", is the ultimate LAW which kills. NO Law of God's, saves! God's FORGIVENESS saves! God being the Law UNTO HIMSELF is what and Who, PERSONALLY, saves YOU. God is love; his Law is justice. No one is justified or redeemed or saved by the Law's works; but by God's works of love and grace.

beam

Quote from: Gerhard Ebersöhn on Fri Nov 16, 2018 - 15:01:13
What does 'fess up' mean?

I answered you in this post,

http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/seventh-day-adventist-forum-(sda)/proclaining-the-sabbath-more-fully-at-the-end-time/new/#new#41
Gerhard Ebersöhn
Re: Proclaiming the Sabbath more fully at the End Time Reply #41
1John 3: 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

The Law and this Christ's Commandment in particular has been given us that not one of us shall be righteous but everyone of us shall be a transgressor falling short in believing on the Name of God's Son Jesus Christ and in loving one another. God never commanded his children a harsher or more exacting Law. Some may think they keep the Sabbath Commandment, but no one can even think to get away with this New Commandment. But check it up, this, Jesus' New Commandment, is exactly identical the Commandment HE, GAVE, US, in the OT Law; it is only the Name of God I-AM which is here, "the Name of his - God's - Son Jesus Christ". You must love "the LORD GOD"--"his Son Jesus Christ" and "your neighbour"--"one another". It is the SAME LAW with which the OT people of God could not get away with, in other words, could not keep, while they might have thought they could keep the Ten Commandments plus all the other old Laws and even WITH OATH COVENANTED THAT THEY WOULD.

What are we, today, better than they? We are worse! So don't abuse Jesus' New Commandment for spiritual pride and self-righteousness! This "His Commandment", is the ultimate LAW which kills. NO Law of God's, saves! God's FORGIVENESS saves! God being the Law UNTO HIMSELF is what and Who, PERSONALLY, saves YOU. God is love; his Law is justice. No one is justified or redeemed or saved by the Law's works; but by God's works of love and grace.
Sorry Gerhard the commandments are not the "exactly identical".    If they were then Jesus was not truthful in telling us He was giving us a NEW COMMAND. 

Fess is slang for confess.   Confess that you made a mistake.   We all do at times and the readers of your posts need to know the real truth.

Gerhard Ebersöhn

QuoteBeam:
Sorry Gerhard the commandments are not the "exactly identical".    If they were then Jesus was not truthful in telling us He was giving us a NEW COMMAND. 

It's so easy for you to doubt Christ's trustworthiness but impossible you would doubt your own 'truthfulness'.

Jesus was and is the 'NEW COMMAND He was giving us'. The 'New Command given', being His own Self, like God, is new eternally. Which is why God's 'New Command' or "New Covenant" is the one and only ETERNAL LAW OF GOD'S COVENANTING by ETERNAL Council in FULL FELLOWSHIP of Father, Son, and, Holy Spirit, EXECUTED in time through Jesus Christ, so nullifying the vain and false 'old covenant' which man swore and unperturbed in all unfaithfulness KEEPS ON swearing.

beam

Quote from: Gerhard Ebersöhn on Sun Nov 18, 2018 - 02:05:36
It's so easy for you to doubt Christ's trustworthiness but impossible you would doubt your own 'truthfulness'.

Jesus was and is the 'NEW COMMAND He was giving us'. The 'New Command given', being His own Self, like God, is new eternally. Which is why God's 'New Command' or "New Covenant" is the one and only ETERNAL LAW OF GOD'S COVENANTING by ETERNAL Council in FULL FELLOWSHIP of Father, Son, and, Holy Spirit, EXECUTED in time through Jesus Christ, so nullifying the vain and false 'old covenant' which man swore and unperturbed in all unfaithfulness KEEPS ON swearing.
Sorry Gerhard, you make Christianity so hard by adding your own thoughts to the very simple plan of salvation.  There is nothing in the now defunct old covenant or any other place in scripture that equals Jesus command in the new covenant.   No place else does it ask anyone to give their lives for their fellow man. 

The fact is you made an error and refuse to back down.

Gerhard Ebersöhn

#58
QuoteSorry Gerhard the commandments are not the "exactly identical".    If they were then Jesus was not truthful in telling us He was giving us a NEW COMMAND.

Again you readily and eager prefer to declare 'Jesus was not truthful in telling us He was giving us a NEW COMMAND ... if the commandments" were exactly identical--which they are! You rather doubt Jesus' character than let go of your miserable idea God's Covenant is not 'New' in the sense that it existed 'BC' in Eternal New Covenant of His Grace. Jesus gave no 'new covenant' that not forever, had been good for his elect. He gave his worshippers His Eternal, New Covenant He had sworn before He created the world. God's Covenant is ever New because God is ever New--not because it is a new set of laws for sinners which they ostensibly are able to perform.

beam

Quote from: Gerhard Ebersöhn on Sun Nov 25, 2018 - 12:28:24
Again you readily and eager prefer to declare 'Jesus was not truthful in telling us He was giving us a NEW COMMAND ... if the commandments" were exactly identical--which they are! You rather doubt Jesus' character than let go of your miserable idea God's Covenant is not 'New' in the sense that it existed 'BC' in Eternal New Covenant of His Grace. Jesus gave no 'new covenant' that not forever, had been good for his elect. He gave his worshippers His Eternal, New Covenant He had sworn before He created the world. God's Covenant is ever New because God is ever New--not because it is a new set of laws for sinners which they ostensibly are able to perform.
If the new covenant is not new then why would the writer of Hebrews tell us the covenant Jesus gave us at Calvary is a new and better covenant?  6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


Please show us from the Old Testament anyplace it tells us that we are to love others as Jesus loves us.

Gerhard Ebersöhn

#60
QuoteBeam:
If the new covenant is not new then why would the writer of Hebrews tell us the covenant Jesus gave us at Calvary is a new and better covenant?

You simply are begging the question. The New Covenant is new because Jesus is The Eternal eternally New and Better Covenant of God's Eternal Plan of Salvation by grace alone. The New Covenant is New because Jesus fulfilled it and "is The All in all fulfilling FULLNESS OF GOD" of it.

How old are you, because there is something of youth's characteristic attributes about you?

Gerhard Ebersöhn

#61
QuoteBeam:
Please show us from the Old Testament anyplace it tells us that we are to love others as Jesus loves us.

So this is what you have been up to all the time. If you think Jesus is not God's Eternal WORD who "in the beginning already eternally was, was with God, and was in fact, GOD", I have nothing further to discuss with you.

Please don't waste my time, it's not civil but God-dishonouring--I mean your whole conversation.

current occupant2

Saturday worship is NOT the endtime message. 

SDA's have no idea what the "endtime message" really is or is really all about. 

Gerhard Ebersöhn

QuoteCO2:
Saturday worship is NOT the endtime message. 
SDA's have no idea what the "endtime message" really is or is really all about.

My last post was #61; your post is #62. Therefore, are you addressing me? I am not SDA and I do not believe 'Saturday worship is the endtime message'.

The end-time "message" of the entire Bible is the "preaching" of "the ETERNAL Gospel" of "Jesus Christ for it is the Power of God unto Salvation". NO BUTS!

current occupant2

Quote from: Gerhard Ebersöhn on Sun Dec 02, 2018 - 23:09:15
My last post was #61; your post is #62. Therefore, are you addressing me? I am not SDA and I do not believe 'Saturday worship is the endtime message'.

The end-time "message" of the entire Bible is the "preaching" of "the ETERNAL Gospel" of "Jesus Christ for it is the Power of God unto Salvation". NO BUTS!

That is nice to know. 

NOW if you would please tell us what "the ETERNAL Gospel of Jesus Christ" actually is then we will know if you are of the Truth. 

Gerhard Ebersöhn

QuoteC02:
That is nice to know. 
NOW if you would please tell us what "the ETERNAL Gospel of Jesus Christ" actually is then we will know if you are of the Truth.

Forget about me, whether I am "'of the Truth'" or not; the Apostolic Confession explains well enough what Christian Believers believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ means. It's good enough also for me. Paul sums it up in one sentence: "The Gospel of Christ is the POWER OF GOD TO SAVE (sinners like me) for therein is The Righteousness of God--Jesus Christ--revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of MEN."
A 'gospel of Christ' that isn't "against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of MEN" is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ but the FAKE gospel of the devil, viz., the FAKE law of "'all is love'" and nothing is sin aka "'love is all'" and sin is nothing.

beam

Quote from: Gerhard Ebersöhn on Sat Dec 01, 2018 - 13:42:09
So this is what you have been up to all the time. If you think Jesus is not God's Eternal WORD who "in the beginning already eternally was, was with God, and was in fact, GOD", I have nothing further to discuss with you.

Please don't waste my time, it's not civil but God-dishonouring--I mean your whole conversation.
Forget who a am and how old I am and what I believe, just answer the question  Where in the OLd Testament does Jesus tell anyone to love others as I have loved you.   The fact is that you cannot and writing that Jesus love command is the same as the love command in the Old Testament is not true.  Jesus did give us a new commandment.  You were wrong and now you are completely avoiding the issue by insinuating, with your "IF" I don't believe Jesus was God eternally.  Then you go on with a threat which with 50 cents might get you a cup of coffee.

Be very careful when you spread falsehood, Someone unknowing person might just believe it and I might not be here to set you straight.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

Jesus loves us so much He laid down His life for all mankind.  Do you realize that He asks us to do the same for others?   Find a command in the Old Testament that equals that.

Gerhard Ebersöhn

QuoteWhere in the OLd Testament does Jesus tell anyone to love others as I have loved you.

Most imbecilic 'question'; no, unimaginable most Christ-insulting 'question'! I would a thousand times be a SDA rather than a Beamist.


Gerhard Ebersöhn

#68
QuoteBeam:
Forget who a am and how old I am and what I believe, just answer the question  Where in the OLd Testament does Jesus tell anyone to love others as I have loved you.   The fact is that you cannot and writing that Jesus love command is the same as the love command in the Old Testament is not true.  Jesus did give us a new commandment.  You were wrong and now you are completely avoiding the issue by insinuating, with your "IF" I don't believe Jesus was God eternally.  Then you go on with a threat which with 50 cents might get you a cup of coffee.

Be very careful when you spread falsehood, Someone unknowing person might just believe it and I might not be here to set you straight.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

Jesus loves us so much He laid down His life for all mankind.  Do you realize that He asks us to do the same for others?   Find a command in the Old Testament that equals that.

"He taketh the wise in their own craftiness : and the counsel of the froward is carried headlong."

You make me so happy, I almost feel proud of myself, that I don't succumb to the wicked desires which you awaken within me. Wyk satan!

Jesus : The Same yesterday today and tomorrow, The Beginning of the creation of God : The Omega."

Jesus gave no command or commandment once, ever, other than for the reason that man is as he ever was and ever will be, the TRANSGRESSOR of God's Law and HATER of his Word--even of the principle of Divine Law or Commandment. Every Commandment of Jesus makes us the worst of sinners. Not Jesus' noblest Law makes anyone any better and no Command of Christ expects better than that which only can be expected from both man and Commandment: no improvement, nothing "'better'", but worse, man's sin according to the Commandment.

"God is One", the Almighty is "THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS!" "There is no salvation in any other; there is no other Name* under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved." None are saved by Law or obedience to Law or works of Law. The Law-Giver is the only Forgiver of only Law-breakers.
*Be it the name of the 'New Commandment'

current occupant2

Quote from: Gerhard Ebersöhn on Mon Dec 03, 2018 - 15:38:38
Most imbecilic 'question'; no, unimaginable most Christ-insulting 'question'! I would a thousand times be a SDA rather than a Beamist.

Since there is no such thing as a "Beamist", we would rather you were a Christian than an SDA or what ever else you might identify as. 

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