Proclaiming the Sabbath more fully at the End Time

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

CO2:
Since there is no such thing as a "Beamist", we would rather you were a Christian than an SDA or what ever else you might identify as.

There has been no such thing as a Beamist until there came Mr Beam and associate Mr CO2 of gracecentred forum fame. And if I said Beam is a Beamist, a Beamist he is!

[current occupant2]

There has been no such thing as a Beamist until there came Mr Beam and associate Mr CO2 of gracecentred forum fame. And if I said Beam is a Beamist, a Beamist he is!

That makes sense since it is coming from another David-Michael Koresh/Trevaser wannabe......

[beam]

That makes sense since it is coming from another David-Michael Koresh/Trevaser wannabe......

Hi co2, all we can do is consider the source and pray for them.   As long as those who oppose us are not breaking our fingers so that we cannot hit the keys with the real truth, anything that they may write is just like water running off a duck's back. 

I don't mean to judge, since I am only an inspector of their fruits, but is seems like they have not taken Jesus greatest command to love others seriously.   

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

Beam:
Hi co2, all we can do is consider the source and pray for them.   As long as those who oppose us are not breaking our fingers so that we cannot hit the keys with the real truth, anything that they may write is just like water running off a duck's back. 

I don't mean to judge, since I am only an inspector of their fruits, but is seems like they have not taken Jesus greatest command to love others seriously.   

Inspector? Inspekteur se gat my maat! I'll chase you off my site with this pick handle I dug this hole, see? Better start running now before I break your skull, duck!

[Shubee]

"At the commencement of the time of trouble, we were filled with the Holy Ghost as we went forth and proclaimed the Sabbath more fully." {LDE 143.1}

Is this going to be fulfilled by the pro-abortion Seventh-day Adventist church or by the Seventh-day Millerites?

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

if I said Beam is a Beamist, a Beamist he is!

What is a Beamist?

A Beamist is a wire-fence sitter.

[current occupant2]

Is this going to be fulfilled by the pro-abortion Seventh-day Adventist church or by the Seventh-day Millerites?

Since both groups are proclaiming a day - neither group will fulfill the false prophets statement. 

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

"At the commencement of the time of trouble, we were filled with the Holy Ghost as we went forth and proclaimed the Sabbath more fully." {LDE 143.1}

That's a pathetic lie.

At the commencement of the time of Increase in Knowledge, late 19th century, the SDA "'went forth and proclaimed the Sabbath'" WITHOUT SUBSTANCE, viz., WITHOUT CHRIST RAISED FROM THE DEAD "ON THE SABBATH".

It's almost TWO CENTURIES now, and STILL the SDA elevate their Christ-less and therefore Lawless Sabbath even above Him in his Resurrection Exaltation and Ascension "at the Right Hand on the Throne of God His Heavenly Majesty", "the day The Seventh Day God from all his works, RESTED".

[Shubee]

Since both groups are proclaiming a day - neither group will fulfill the false prophets statement.

Seventh-day Millerites don't proclaim a day. We teach the true meaning of the Seventh-day Sabbath and explain its connection to the third angel's message. You're already on record opposing the message of the third angel. The reason is clear. The three angels proclaim the gospel of God the Father.

[current occupant2]

 
Seventh-day Millerites don't proclaim a day. We teach the true meaning of the Seventh-day Sabbath and explain its connection to the third angel's message. You're already on record opposing the message of the third angel. The reason is clear. The three angels proclaim the gospel of God the Father.

No, I just oppose your pathetic attempts at resurrecting David Koresh and replacing Michael Trevaser while he is in jail for child molestations. 

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

Shubee:
We teach the true meaning of the Seventh-day Sabbath and explain its connection to the third angel's message. You're already on record opposing the message of the third angel. The reason is clear. The three angels proclaim the gospel of God the Father.

The first angel / message / Gospel of Christ proclaimers of Revelation 14 was/were those resurrected just after Jesus Matthew 27:52,53 Revelation 14:1-5.

The second angel / message / Gospel of Christ proclaimers of Revelation 14 was/were the first century Apostolic Church. Revelation 14:6,7

The third angel / message / Gospel of Christ proclaimers of Revelation 14 was/were the Reformation Protestants. Revelation 14:8,9.

[Shubee]

I just oppose your pathetic attempts at resurrecting David Koresh and replacing Michael Trevaser while he is in jail for child molestations

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AIPAC is terribly disappointed at your poor choice of Jesuit tactics in trying to oppose the third angel's message. They want you to try harder.

[Shubee]

The first angel / message / Gospel of Christ proclaimers of Revelation 14 was/were those resurrected just after Jesus Matthew 27:52,53 Revelation 14:1-5.

The second angel / message / Gospel of Christ proclaimers of Revelation 14 was/were the first century Apostolic Church. Revelation 14:6,7

The third angel / message / Gospel of Christ proclaimers of Revelation 14 was/were the Reformation Protestants. Revelation 14:8,9.

Sorry. The church of Gerhard Ebersöhn isn't recognized anywhere and therefore couldn't possibly be credible. Does your church have a website?

[current occupant2]

The Babylonian church of Ebersöhn and Shubee IS not recognized by any credible organization. Only the organizational roots of David Koresh and Michael Trevaser recognize your Babylonian empire.

[Shubee]

Heaven is organized, as is the State of Texas, which are credible. Furthermore, everyone recognizes that CO2 is a pollutant.

[Shubee]

Only the organizational roots of David Koresh and Michael Trevaser recognize your Babylonian empire.

AIPAC is going to take you off of their Xmas list because of your inadequate implementation of their official protocol, i.e., Jesuit tactics. Also, don't expect any invitations this year to the AIPAC Xmas party because of your outrageous clumsiness in pretending to answer the third angel's message.

[current occupant2]

Heaven is organized, as is the State of Texas, which are credible. Furthermore, everyone recognizes that CO2 is a pollutant.

Actually, an educated person would know that co2 is a necessary ingredient in feeding the world and making it possible for us to live on this planet. 

You must be one of the ones seeking to outlaw Di-hydrogen monoxide as a dangerous chemical because it causes so many deaths every year....

[Shubee]

You must be one of the ones seeking to outlaw Di-hydrogen monoxide as a dangerous chemical because it causes so many deaths every year.

I'm already very aware of the fraud behind climate alarmism. Thank you!

[Shubee]

CO2 is free to deny being a pollutant all he likes, which matches his great joy in shilling for AIPAC.

[current occupant2]

CO2 is free to deny being a pollutant all he likes, which matches his great joy in shilling for AIPAC.

Actually, an educated person would know that co2 is a necessary ingredient in feeding the world and making it possible for us to live on this planet. 

You must be one of the ones seeking to outlaw Di-hydrogen monoxide as a dangerous chemical because it causes so many deaths every year...

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

Sorry. The church of Gerhard Ebersöhn isn't recognized anywhere and therefore couldn't possibly be credible. Does your church have a website?

So this is Shubee's reply to Revelation's 'three angels' message(s)'. Noted down.

[beam]

Getting back to the OP the writer, Hobie, quotes the supposed prophet of the SDAs and her comments like the following one seem urgent as she writes "very soon".

A great crisis awaits the people of God. Very soon our nation will attempt to enforce upon all the observance of the first day of the week as a sacred day. In doing this they will not scruple to compel men against the voice of their own conscience to observe the day the nation declares to be the Sabbath.—The Review and Herald Extra, December 11, 1888. {LDE 144.2}

The law of God, through the agency of Satan, is to be made void. In our land of boasted freedom religious liberty will come to an end. The contest will be decided over the Sabbath question, which will agitate the whole world.—Evangelism, 236 (1875). {LDE 144.1}

Well, 130 years have past and guess what, we still have religious liberty on the United States.  The supposed prophet also wrote that the Sunday laws would soon be upon our nation.  It would seem like anyone who ever had faith in Ellen would have given up by now,  Her many predictions are long forgotten and millions have gone to their graves with their Christian blessings still being pronounced for them.   Sunday laws have long been forgotten rules in our nation.  We are free to work, gather and express our beliefs as we please.  Adventism, for the most part, has become an accepted belief system and Adventists hold high positions in our government and in all kinds of healthcare and industrial institutions.    The Adventist health care system is one of the largest in the nation and one of the top medial centers in the world is connected to the church.

Isn't it about time Adventists look at the predictions Ellen made and decide, like the rest of us have found, out, she was a fraud. 

We have no idea what will happen in the future for our nation.   Millions of predictions have been made based on past and current happenings.   I will trust in Jesus no matter what may happen and I will not spend time worrying about things we have no control over.  It is too bad that Adventists cannot do the same.  They have put their trust in proven falsehood.

[Shubee]

So this is Shubee's reply to Revelation's 'three angels' message(s)'.

No. I replied to the opinion of a church of 1.

[Shubee]

"At the commencement of the time of trouble, we were filled with the Holy Ghost as we went forth and proclaimed the Sabbath more fully." {LDE 143.1}

This prophecy can't possibly be fulfilled by a church of one or by the pro-abortion Seventh-day Adventist church.

[beam]

This prophecy can't possibly be fulfilled by a church of one or by the pro-abortion Seventh-day Adventist church.

That was not Ellen's prediction.  She indicated that if one does not become a SDA upholding all she prophesied all would be lost.  All other churches are Babylon and if a member of any of those churches we would not be saved.   Only the SDA church is the "remnant". 

You believe in Ellen as the prophet for the end time and yet disassociate yourself from that remnant.  How do you justify your position?

[Shubee]

You believe in Ellen as the prophet for the end time and yet disassociate yourself from that remnant.  How do you justify your position?

There will be a remnant church in the future and that church will be very Adventist. I have never denied that.

[Shubee]

She indicated that if one does not become a SDA upholding all she prophesied all would be lost.  All other churches are Babylon and if a member of any of those churches we would not be saved.

You are terribly confused and don't understand what Sister White wrote.

We are in danger of becoming a sister to fallen Babylon, of allowing our churches to become corrupted, and filled with every foul spirit, a cage for every unclean and hateful bird; and will we be clear unless we make decided movements to cure the existing evil?  {TSB 188.3}

[beam]

 
You are terribly confused and don't understand what Sister White wrote.

We are in danger of becoming a sister to fallen Babylon, of allowing our churches to become corrupted, and filled with every foul spirit, a cage for every unclean and hateful bird; and will we be clear unless we make decided movements to cure the existing evil?  {TSB 188.3}

I saw that God has honest children among the nominal Adventists and the fallen churches, and before the plagues shall be poured out, ministers and people will be called out from these churches and will gladly receive the truth. Satan knows this; and before the loud cry of the third angel is given, he raises an excitement in these religious bodies, that those who have rejected the truth may think that God is with them. He hopes to deceive the honest and lead them to think that God is still working for the churches. But the light will shine, and all who are honest will leave the fallen churches, and take their stand with the remnant. {EW 261.1}

So Shubee, it appears that you must, in the future, join the "remnant" (SDA church) in order to be among those that are saved.   You certainly are not helping the cause by denying the SDA church and by excusing yourself you are not helping to further the "true??" remnant.  It would seem to me since Ellen indicated that the SDA church is the remnant that you would want to further that cause.

[Shubee]

Sister White wrote:

I saw that God has honest children among the nominal Adventists and the fallen churches,

Therefore, beam misrepresented Sister White.

[Shubee]

I saw that God has honest children among the nominal Adventists and the fallen churches, and before the plagues shall be poured out, ministers and people will be called out from these churches and will gladly receive the truth. Satan knows this; and before the loud cry of the third angel is given, he raises an excitement in these religious bodies, that those who have rejected the truth may think that God is with them. He hopes to deceive the honest and lead them to think that God is still working for the churches. But the light will shine, and all who are honest will leave the fallen churches, and take their stand with the remnant. {EW 261.1}

So Shubee, it appears that you must, in the future, join the "remnant" (SDA church) in order to be among those that are saved.   You certainly are not helping the cause by denying the SDA church and by excusing yourself you are not helping to further the "true??" remnant.  It would seem to me since Ellen indicated that the SDA church is the remnant that you would want to further that cause.

Beam, you need to take a reading course.

[Shubee]

Those Christians who are already saved will unite at the endtime. Article 9 of The Fundamental Beliefs of Seventh-day Adventists, Circa 2023 affirms:

The body of Christ will be united, enlightened and perfected through truth just before the Second Coming of Christ.

[Charles Martel]

bye

[Amo]

The Sabbath has been a controversy forever. It's more of a Judaic custom or an observance between God and Israel than a NT teaching. New Testament  The law was . An Israelite could not leave their home, build a fire, or cause anyone to work. If you did any of those things you were to be put to death. You are mistaking if you think that applies to NT Christians. There's no obligation for New Testament believers to observe a Saturday or Sunday Sabbath.

"One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord"

Paul said, "For if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."

He also said, "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."

Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread,

Paul again, "Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. KJV Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Believers are not under the Old Testament Law (Romans 6:14; Galatians 3:24-25; 2 Corinthians 3:7, 11, 13; Hebrews 7:12). Jesus resurrected on the first day of the week, and Pentecost likely occurred on Sunday. It has no bearing on a person's salvation. As long as we all honor a day of rest we are doing the right thing.

Paul preached unto them...
1 Cor. 16:1-2 Now about the collection for God's people...On the FIRST day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income...

Saturday doesn't need to be the Sabbath any more than we need to adhere to any other part of Judaic law like killing people for NOT observing the sabbath or food restrictions etc.

Didn't Jesus say that if we have lost a sheep or a coin we should look for it even on the sabbath? Jesus observed the Sabbath because he was Jewish.

Colossians 2:16  Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

The Jewish Sabbath ended at the cross when Christ annulled the "written code."  Historically, Sunday was the normal meeting day for Christians in the church, and its practice dates back to the first century.

A bunch of the same rubbish presented and addressed over and over again already on this and several other threads. God's Sabbath was instituted at creation 2000 years before a Jew ever existed, before sin existed for perfect people, was pronounced a blessing upon all who would keep it including non jews during the old covenant, was kept by Jesus who taught it's proper observance, has always been kept by many Christians, and is prophesied in scripture to be kept in the new heaven and new earth. You should stop twisting and mutilating the writings of the apostle Paul to your own selfish ends, and trying to make scripture imply Sunday sacredness which it absolutely does not. Nevertheless, you are of course free to do as you choose. Just as those who choose to keep God's Sabbath do as well.

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

CMartel
The Sabbath has been a controversy forever. It's more of a Judaic custom or an observance between God and Israel than a NT teaching. New Testament  The law was . An Israelite could not leave their home, build a fire, or cause anyone to work. If you did any of those things you were to be put to death. You are mistaking if you think that applies to NT Christians. There's no obligation for New Testament believers to observe a Saturday or Sunday Sabbath.

"One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord"

Paul said, "For if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."

He also said, "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."

Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread,

Paul again, "Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. KJV Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Believers are not under the Old Testament Law (Romans 6:14; Galatians 3:24-25; 2 Corinthians 3:7, 11, 13; Hebrews 7:12). Jesus resurrected on the first day of the week, and Pentecost likely occurred on Sunday. It has no bearing on a person's salvation. As long as we all honor a day of rest we are doing the right thing.

Paul preached unto them...
1 Cor. 16:1-2 Now about the collection for God's people...On the FIRST day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income...

Saturday doesn't need to be the Sabbath any more than we need to adhere to any other part of Judaic law like killing people for NOT observing the sabbath or food restrictions etc.

Didn't Jesus say that if we have lost a sheep or a coin we should look for it even on the sabbath? Jesus observed the Sabbath because he was Jewish.

Colossians 2:16  Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

The Jewish Sabbath ended at the cross when Christ annulled the "written code."  Historically, Sunday was the normal meeting day for Christians in the church, and its practice dates back to the first century.

The 7th billionth collection, copying and recycling of Sunday worshippers' very best. No iota or comma improved, just stale flat empty boring unoriginality.

But I'll in any case dissect you piece by piece for what it will be worth. . .nothing! I know.

[Charles Martel]

bye