The Antichrist Slideshow

[ollie]

That website was pure anti-Catholic propaganda.

I would encourage anyone who wants to know what the RCC really believes and teaches to pick up a copy of the catechism or tune in to EWTN, rather than rely upon a slanted web-site like that which has an agenda.

Pax.

Been there, done that. They are guilty of adultery with God's word. They seem the whore mentioned in Revelation due to this adultery.

Are Catholics not every bit as sincere as Protestants? How have they \"adulterated God's Word?\" Are you accusing them of of tampering with Scripture, such as the Jehovah's Witnesses have done, or of adding unbiblical traditions, or what?

Regardless, how does Christ's statement in Mark 9 apply here, or does it? Christ told John in Mark 9 after the disciples tried to stop a man casting out demons who wasn't one of the twelve: \"Do not forbid him. . . Whoever is not against us is for us.\"

Pax.

That website was pure anti-Catholic propaganda.

I would encourage anyone who wants to know what the RCC really believes and teaches to pick up a copy of the catechism or tune in to EWTN, rather than rely upon a slanted web-site like that which has an agenda.

Pax.

Been there, done that. They are guilty of adultery with God's word. They seem the whore mentioned in Revelation due to this adultery.

Are Catholics not every bit as sincere as Protestants?

It is a toss up. Some are some are not. There are sincere catholics and there are sincere protestants.

How have they \"adulterated God's Word?\"

You have to be kidding?

Are you accusing them of of tampering with Scripture, such as the Jehovah's Witnesses have done,

I gave the reason in one of my posts. They both proclaim truth only comes through them. No matter how unscriptural it may be.

or of adding unbiblical traditions, or what?

I donot see much similarity between TWTS and the church at Rome in this regard. I mentioned above and in another post how I see them similar.

Regardless, how does Christ's statement in Mark 9 apply here, or does it? Christ told John in Mark 9 after the disciples tried to stop a man casting out demons who wasn't one of the twelve: \"Do not forbid him. . . Whoever is not against us is for us.\"

Pax.

Perhaps the difference is doing it in His name. In His authority. It seems an apples and oranges comparison as Christ also said:

Matthew 7:21.  \"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22.  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23.  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.\"

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[James Rondon]

IMO stuff like this should be taken into consideration before we rush to pronounce judgement. These issues are complex, and making snap judgements without knowing the background and context of the issues does not reflect that.

Alfonzo would probably say the same thing regarding the Watchtower...

[Lee Freeman]

Perhaps the difference is doing it in His name. In His authority. It seems an apples and oranges comparison as Christ also said:

Matthew 7:21.  \"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22.  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23.  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.\"

ollie

You didn't answer my question of how, specifically, the Catholic Church has \"adulterated God's Word.\" Can you provide specific examples?

As for claims to speak the Truth and nothing but the Truth, no matter how unbiblical, other denominations, like the Puritans, Zwinglians, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Church of Christ have all made similar claims. As I recalll, the Church of Christ has made some unscriptural claims as well. Does that make us the antichrist too?

The Catholic Church claims to do what it does in Christ's name. I'm not saying whether I think its claims are legitimate or not, only that it believes in one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all. It claims to act under the authority of Christ and in his name. The man casting ourt demons also claimed to be acting in Jesus' name and Jesus said \"Do not forbid him.\"

And remember, that \"antichrist\" Catholic Church gave us the canon of Scripture (and a whole lot of other things we take for granted, such as hospitals and universities, historical chronicles, scienctific treatises, etc.).

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[Lee Freeman]

IMO stuff like this should be taken into consideration before we rush to pronounce judgement. These issues are complex, and making snap judgements without knowing the background and context of the issues does not reflect that.

Alfonzo would probably say the same thing regarding the Watchtower...

Yes, and I'd give the Watchtower the same benefit of the doubt as I would the RCC. Before criticizing someone else's theology I'd study it first so I'd know whether my criticisms were valid or not. The website lifted quotations out of context, devoid of any historical context, with no explanatory note. As if statements made by a long dead pope are automatically binding upon modern Catholics. Just because Boniface VIII made such a statement doesn't mean the modern RCC endorses it. They most likely don't endorse a lot of things said by certain popes.

IMO the Watchtower fails miserably upon an examination of both their theology and practices. Their Christ isn't the Christ of Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants, and they've made dozens of end-time prophecies which have failed. As far as I know, the Watchtower has never publicly repudiated anything it has ever taught as being wrong or as non-binding upon modern JW's.

The RCC worships a divine Christ and has never claimed to know the date of armageddon.

The Catholic Church of today in many ways isn't the same Catholic Church of 1302.

Look, all I'm saying is before we criticize someone else we need to know what we're talking about first, and walk a mile or so in their shoes first. Then, if we still have substantive objections, so be it.

The website under discussion offered nothing but the same tired anti-Catholic propaganda that's been hurled at the RCC for decades, centuries, even. It is not an objective assessment of RCC doctrine. Its blatant objective is to convince its readers that the RCC is the antichrist.

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