What is the Sabbath for, and do we understand its purpose?

[Amo]

Beam -

If the Sabbath was given for all mankind why isn't all mankind aware of it?   That is a question Amo.  Can you answer it?

More ignorance. Was the gospel given for all mankind Beam? Of course it was, then according to your own ignorant mentality, why doesn't every know it? Get a grip beam. Deception is widespread in this world, thus must the gospel be preached to every kindred, nation, and tongue. Deception was widespread after the fall as well. So widespread, and people were so willingly and otherwise ignorant of God that He destroyed them all by a flood to start over again. So the world speeds toward its conclusion once again due to ignorance, ignorance that you and many others are peddling as truth. God's Sabbath has been largely forgotten once again, according to satanic deception. The results will be the same as last time, only the next judgment will be by fire.

[Amo]

Beam -

Only if one is programmed into believing otherwise.  There is no scripture indicating that anyone observed it until after the  crossing the Red Sea

To the contrary, those who have chosen deception over truth have been programed or programmed themselves to believe God spoke it into existence for the purpose of being ignored for the first two thousand years of history.

[Amo]

Beam -

Did God create the Sabbath?  He created everything in six days and rested from all He created on the following day.

More willing ignorance.

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Yes, God created the seventh day Sabbath by blessing, sanctifying, and making it hallow.

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

The Sabbath was made for man at creation by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who is Lord of the sabbath.

[Amo]

Beam -

Ah yes, Is 66 where the saved will go forth from worshipping God to the place where all the transgressors are burning.   Lovely thought and then there is Is 65 where, in the new Earth, man will live to be well over 100 and babies won't die at birth.  So much for eternal life and celibacy.   Explain that.

No. Off topic. Explain it to yourself, or reject or ignore it, as you do other scriptures.

[Amo]

Beam -

Absolutely a strawman argument Amo.  Humanity was never given a special day.  Another one of your deceptions.

Says the deceived in denial of the words of their professed Savior.

[Amo]

Beam -

You are telling us that if we choose to worship on Sunday we are worshipping at the altar of the devil?  That is nothing but a bunch of drivel concocted by the SDA church and of course you.

I'm telling you that you preach a false gospel which states that Christ came to abolish the law, most specifically the fourth commandment. That there is no instruction from scripture to worship God on the first day of the week. That observance of the day is a man made tradition, and when humanity forces it upon societies through civil legislation they sin against God and humanity. All who will disregard the law of God, while forcing or supporting the force of human tradition upon all by law, will burn in the lake of fire.

Mat 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. 5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; 6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. 7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mar 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Why will you reject the commandment of God that you may keep the tradition of man? Why will you attack those who wish to keep the commandment of God, but support those who would force human tradition upon all by observing their tradition and remaining silent about this sin? Is it not because you are deceived?

[Amo]

Here we have another example of not reading comments properly.  I did not say they were told by God to consider gentiles dogs, they just did. Matt 15:21-28.  Mark 7:28-28. Jewish culture of that time saw dogs as treacherous and dangerous, not like they are now in Western society, as members of the family.  Gentiles were also seen as treacherous and dangerous. 

Amo. Amo.  Amo.  Seems to be you worship the sabbath.   You need to study the Bible contextually, not your "here a little, there a little" method.  Did you know that is part of a curse?

The old covenant, of which the sabbath was the sign was given ONLY to Israel.  Israel is the only nation that God rescued from slavery in Egypt.  Surely you don't need the scripture for that.  That covenant is now obsolete (Heb 8:13).

Are you also aware that the penalty for a gentile keeping the sabbath is death according to Jewish tradition?

piecrust, piecrust, piecrust. I am aware of your ignorance of scripture, while trying to imply I am the one ignorant of the same. The new covenant is with Israel. If you are not of Israel, you are not of God. The new covenant Israel is freed from the slavery of sin in Christ Jesus. Jesus condemned Jewish tradition when it contradicted the commandments or word of God. God pronounced a blessing upon all who would keep His Sabbath even during the old covenant. All of God's covenants are only with His people of course. He does not force Himself on anyone.

I don't study here a little there a little, nor do I share scripture in that manner. I share scripture from as many different places as possible concerning a subject, that the whole of scripture on the matter might be taken into account. Nor do I chop scriptures in half or take them out of context to support my views.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

Amo: #40
Why will you reject the commandment of God that you may keep the tradition of man? Why will you attack those who wish to keep the commandment of God, but support those who would force human tradition upon all by observing their tradition and remaining silent about this sin? Is it not because you are deceived?

For two reasons.
First that all the world being so deceived by it, wonders after the antichrist beast- and false prophet pope because of the BIBLE he gives them for the Word of God which he CORRUPTED to the effect at specifically those places bearing on the unbreakable relation between the Sabbath and God's works through Jesus Christ for to give sinners "His Own Rest".

Second for no other reason than that virtually all churches, again the Roman Catholic antichrist beast- and false prophet pope leading, are worshippers of FREE WILL.

Why THESE TWO?
Because these two motives are the cause and reason of the essence for a Sunday RESURRECTION and for the HATE for God's Sabbath Day "according to Scripture the third day Christ ROSE FROM THE DEAD".

FRAUDULENT SCRIPTURE AND WILL WORSHIP.

[piecrust]

piecrust, piecrust, piecrust. I am aware of your ignorance of scripture, while trying to imply I am the one ignorant of the same. The new covenant is with Israel. If you are not of Israel, you are not of God. The new covenant Israel is freed from the slavery of sin in Christ Jesus. Jesus condemned Jewish tradition when it contradicted the commandments or word of God. God pronounced a blessing upon all who would keep His Sabbath even during the old covenant. All of God's covenants are only with His people of course. He does not force Himself on anyone.

I don't study here a little there a little, nor do I share scripture in that manner. I share scripture from as many different places as possible concerning a subject, that the whole of scripture on the matter might be taken into account. Nor do I chop scriptures in half or take them out of context to support my views.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

You have just proved my point.

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

And I'm telling you, Amo, again, Beware that you do not become part of the evil!

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

Who has read Matthew 28:1 in its WHOLE AND PROPER FULL CONTEXT, Matthew 27:62 to 28:5a?

NO ONE EVER I have seen!

[current occupant2]

The Sabbath was made for us, so do we understand its purpose? 

23One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and as his disciples walked along, they began to pick some heads of grain. 24The Pharisees said to him, "Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?"  25He answered, "Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need? 26In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions." 27Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath." Mark 2:23-27

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it." Genesis 1:1; 2:2, 3.

God made the Sabbath at the time of Creation, after He made the world and everything in it. God rested on the Sabbath and blessed and sanctified it, which is set it apart for a holy use. The Sabbath and the family were alike instituted in Eden, and it was God's plan for man to share His love with man and man with Him through these. So at Creation God set up the framework for mankind to be associated in work and study, in worship and recreation, and both father and mother as teachers and companions of their children. God's love has set a limit to the demands of toil and then a day of rest. In His own day He preserves for the family opportunity for communion with Him, with nature, and with one another.

The Sabbath is a sign of creative and redeeming power, it points to God as the source of life and knowledge; it recalls Creation and God making man in His own image, and thus witnesses to God's purpose to re-create us in His own image. The Sabbath of the Lord bears His name and seal and is the day above all others when we should acquaint ourselves with God through His works of Creation, communing with God and reading and shariong His word.

Hobie is so intent on marketing the sabbath to those for whom it was never given that he neglects to supply the scriptures that tell who it was really given to and the reason for which it was given. 

Here are a few verses that begin to tell the real story that Hobie, am0 and Gerhard neglect to their own credibility detriment. 

Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself. Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. And the Lord said unto Moses, Lo, I come unto thee in a thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with thee, and believe thee for ever. And Moses told the words of the people unto the Lord.
Exodus 19:4-6,9

And God spake all these words, saying, I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage....
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know the heart of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt. And six years thou shalt sow thy land, and shalt gather in the fruits thereof: But the seventh year thou shalt let it rest and lie still; that the poor of thy people may eat: and what they leave the beasts of the field shall eat. In like manner thou shalt deal with thy vineyard, and with thy oliveyard. Six days thou shalt do thy work, and on the seventh day thou shalt rest: that thine ox and thine ass may rest, and the son of thy handmaid, and the stranger, may be refreshed.
Exodus 20:1-2,23:9-12

Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you. Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed. And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
Exodus 31:13-18

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

CO2: #42
Here are a few verses that begin to tell the real story that Hobie, am0 and Gerhard neglect to their own credibility detriment. 

Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians,

CO2, you, nor Hobie nor Amo, have ever seen what God did unto CHRIST that tells the full story of "the day The Sabbath of the LORD", How that He "in the Seventh Day having rested revived and having revived RESTED" --in and through, because of and for the sake of JESUS CHRIST--, "RESTED"! For NO, but NO, other, or, other reason!

One example, the passover of the Red Sea is useless mythological nonsense IF NOT GOD SPOKE THUS CONCERNING THE CHRIST CONCERNING THE SEVENTH DAY.

[Amo]

You have just proved my point.

Not likely. You are of course free to believe as you wish.

Rom 3:19  Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

The true gospel establishes the law, the false gospel abolishes it.

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

Amo: #37
Yes, God created the seventh day Sabbath by blessing, sanctifying, and making it hallow.

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

The Sabbath was made for man at creation by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who is Lord of the sabbath.

Amo, in God's Name please, READ yourself what you say! Can't you see?

God <created> (if you will) the Seventh Day Sabbath, BY WHAT? BY WHOM man, by WHOM?! "By the Son" Hebrews 1:2 and 4:4, <by blessing, sanctifying, and making it hallow> BY HIM, FOR HIM, THROUGH HIM, IN HIM, Genesis 2:2,3 IN and ACCORDING TO Genesis 3:8-24! WHY DO YOU ALWAYS RUN AWAY FROM Genesis 3:8-24?

Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
THIS IS Genesis 2:2,3 AND and INCLUDING and SUMMARISING Genesis 3:8-24.

The Sabbath was made for man AFTER, not <at> creation by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ YES! "HOLY HOLY HOLY .. IS THE LORD OF THE SABBATH".

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[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

Amo: #48
The true gospel establishes the law, the false gospel abolishes it.

No, the only Gospel establishes the Law Will of God BY THE DEATH of the Testator. The tables were just the writing of God's Will Law but the Testator was the Law Will of God and HE "the All in all fulfilling FULLNESS OF GOD" was Himself the Sacrifice, Himself the Priest, Himself the Altar, Himself the Sanctuary HIMSELF THE LAW AND TESTAMENT THE EVERLASTING AND NEW COVENANT, HIMSELF THE GOD OF GRACE.

Okay okay okay you scorners, but I'll <rant on> as long as God <let> me.

[Amo]

No, the only Gospel establishes the Law Will of God BY THE DEATH of the Testator. The tables were just the writing of God's Will Law but the Testator was the Law Will of God and HE "the All in all fulfilling FULLNESS OF GOD" was Himself the Sacrifice, Himself the Priest, Himself the Altar, Himself the Sanctuary HIMSELF THE LAW AND TESTAMENT THE EVERLASTING AND NEW COVENANT, HIMSELF THE GOD OF GRACE.

Okay okay okay you scorners, but I'll <rant on> as long as God <let> me.

Yes we know that you will rant on. You have a right, just like the rest of us. At least for now, we can rant on. Many internet platforms are ever increasingly being censored. This is the direction we are headed.

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

Amo:
Yes we know that you will rant on. You have a right, just like the rest of us. At least for now, we can rant on. Many internet platforms are ever increasingly being censored. This is the direction we are headed.

As I said to my wife the other day, these okes they think I think I'll make them change their bone-head minds. But they don't see me chuckle in my sleeve. I just USE them and what they say knowing perfectly well if they admit they're enslaved puppets of a few church bosses, they will have gone COMPLETELY mad.

Therefore dear Amo my okie, I KNOW neither you nor your mighty big loud bragging church will EVER admit you are wrong or make a change. Don't flatter yourself that I am that stupid in comparison.

[current occupant2]

Gerhardt where does you get your gibberish from....  keep us entertained and keep posting.   

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

CO2: #53
Gerhardt where does you get your gibberish from....  keep us entertained and keep posting.

I present to you, CO2 and all others, THE WORD OF GOD. You, call the Scriptures, the Written Word of GOD, <gibberish>.

Jesus the Living Word of GOD, says, in this Scripture Word of God, now listen carefully, CO2 and all others, That YOU, shall give account of every frivolous word which protruded from YOUR lips.

Keep on laughing and keep on with your contempt for the WORD OF GOD, reserve for yourself huge surpluses in blasphemous easy TALK and JESTING, to find out its seriousness in the Day of Judgement.

[piecrust]

Not likely. You are of course free to believe as you wish.

Rom 3:19  Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

The true gospel establishes the law, the false gospel abolishes it.

The true Gospel is?

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

All scripture must be received as if God, appearing in person, visibly and in full majesty, were himself speaking. John Calvin

[current occupant2]

All scripture must be received as if God, appearing in person, visibly and in full majesty, were himself speaking. John Calvin

Yes, except we do not need to accept your presentation fo scripture as if you are God and your interpretation is from God. 

You turn God's word into gibberish. 

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

CO2: #57
Quote from: Gerhard Ebersöhn on Today at 03:06:54
All scripture must be received as if God, appearing in person, visibly and in full majesty, were himself speaking. John Calvin

Yes, except we do not need to accept your presentation fo scripture as if you are God and your interpretation is from God. 

You turn God's word into gibberish.

Because I say and believe what Calvin said and believed. You flatterer... bad!

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

Theology has flourished only at times when theologians have returned to Scripture and, in prayer, have sought Christ in it. Theology "loses its leaf and begins its winter sleep" (Kuyper) when dreams and claims of <the holy spirit> silence earnest, sober and honest dealing with the Scriptures.

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

Run with patience the race that is set before us looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith. Hebrews 12:1–2. This is the sum-total of my believing as pertains "a Sabbath Day of Rest for the People of God remaining valid .. SINCE JESUS GAVE THEM REST". John Owen wrote for forty years on the Letter to the Hebrew Christians. I have been writing for forty years on these few verses to the few Christians who I would never know if they read. God has been my Only Help and Consolation. I needed that patience if ever someone did.

[current occupant2]

Because I say and believe what Calvin said and believed. You flatterer... bad!

.

So you have admitted that you follow a human's teachings about what the Bible says in the same way as sda's follow Ellen White. 

Why don't you just read the Bible for yourself instead of studying the teachings of a dead human being? 

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

CO2: #61
So you have admitted that you follow a human's teachings about what the Bible says in the same way as sda's follow Ellen White. 

Why don't you just read the Bible for yourself instead of studying the teachings of a dead human being?

Bla bla bla ... I wouldn't study the teachings of an alive human being were he you.

[current occupant2]

Bla bla bla ... I wouldn't study the teachings of an alive human being were he you.

Yes, you do BLA BLA BLA....

you are no different than the SDA's that we both know are wrong and don't know spit about the Bible.

You follow a dead human and you add to the Bible. - both of which you have admitted. 

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

CO2: #63
Yes, you do BLA BLA BLA....

you are no different than the SDA's that we both know are wrong and don't know spit about the Bible.

You follow a dead human and you add to the Bible. - both of which you have admitted.

I plead guilty your Honour.

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

Tell me, moderators, you planted CO2 and Sparewheeldrive to provoke me so you can sack me? Why not just sack me off the face of your little universe?

[current occupant2]

I plead guilty your Honour.

well there went ANY credibility that you could ever hope to exude.

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

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[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

CO2: #666
well there went ANY credibility that you could ever hope to exude.

So good Almighty Judge.

[Jaime]

GE, you are officially sacked!