Creation scientists

[The Barbarian]

(CNN)It might be the oldest soft tissue sample ever found. Researchers discovered ancient collagen and protein remains preserved in the ribs of a dinosaur that walked the Earth 195 million years ago......

Two major errors there.   First, "tissue"refers to organized groups of cells, not organic molecules.   Second, very much older molecules have been found.   


Ancient steroids establish the Ediacaran fossil Dickinsonia as one of the earliest animals
    Ilya Bobrovskiy1,*, Janet M. Hope1, Andrey Ivantsov2, Benjamin J. Nettersheim3, Christian Hallmann3,4, Jochen J. Brocks1,*
Science  21 Sep 2018:
Vol. 361, Issue 6408, pp. 1246-1249
DOI: 10.1126/science.aat7228

Roughly 600 million years ago.   

[Amo]

Two major errors there.   First, "tissue"refers to organized groups of cells, not organic molecules.   Second, very much older molecules have been found.   


Ancient steroids establish the Ediacaran fossil Dickinsonia as one of the earliest animals
    Ilya Bobrovskiy1,*, Janet M. Hope1, Andrey Ivantsov2, Benjamin J. Nettersheim3, Christian Hallmann3,4, Jochen J. Brocks1,*
Science  21 Sep 2018:
Vol. 361, Issue 6408, pp. 1246-1249
DOI: 10.1126/science.aat7228

Roughly 600 million years ago.

And you probably think this contributes to your position.

[The Barbarian]

And you probably think this contributes to your position.

Yep.   Cholesterol is only produced by animals.   So the YE creationist story that the "Cambrian explosion" marked a sudden appearance of complex animals is demolished.   Animals existed many millions of years before the Cambrian.

Keep in mind, none of this is "tissue", which are groups of cells organized for a function.    They aren't even cells.   They are just biological molecules which have been preserved anoxic conditions.    Physical chemist have long known that organic molecules can survive for extremely long times under the right conditions.    That's no surprise.   

tis·sue
/ˈtiSHo͞o/
biology
noun
1. any of the distinct types of material of which animals or plants are made, consisting of specialized cells and their products.
    "inflammation is a reaction of living tissue to infection or injury"
https://www.google.com/search?channel=tus2&client=firefox-b-1-d&q=scientific+definition+of+tissue

[Amo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEr2lZSeFJg

Why, or when the church accepted evolution over literal creation.

[Amo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCfKf1P7G-o

Good one on the flood, ice age, and climate change.

[Amo]

Two major errors there.   First, "tissue"refers to organized groups of cells, not organic molecules.   Second, very much older molecules have been found.   


Ancient steroids establish the Ediacaran fossil Dickinsonia as one of the earliest animals
    Ilya Bobrovskiy1,*, Janet M. Hope1, Andrey Ivantsov2, Benjamin J. Nettersheim3, Christian Hallmann3,4, Jochen J. Brocks1,*
Science  21 Sep 2018:
Vol. 361, Issue 6408, pp. 1246-1249
DOI: 10.1126/science.aat7228

Roughly 600 million years ago.

Two major errors here, 1 - denying and or ignoring evidence which contradicts your chosen faith does not make it go away. 2 - Dating things according to one's chosen faith, is not scientific evidence. Your presumption of age is all based upon your faulty deep time scenarios built upon the false testimony that "all things continue as they were from the beginning", and its necessity for your evolutionary faith. Your denial of faith in the biblical account of creation and the flood, leaves you easy prey to the evil one's deceptions, which lead you to another faith which is not of God.

[Amo]

Yep.   Cholesterol is only produced by animals.   So the YE creationist story that the "Cambrian explosion" marked a sudden appearance of complex animals is demolished.   Animals existed many millions of years before the Cambrian.

Keep in mind, none of this is "tissue", which are groups of cells organized for a function.    They aren't even cells.   They are just biological molecules which have been preserved anoxic conditions.    Physical chemist have long known that organic molecules can survive for extremely long times under the right conditions.    That's no surprise.   

tis·sue
/ˈtiSHo͞o/
biology
noun
1. any of the distinct types of material of which animals or plants are made, consisting of specialized cells and their products.
    "inflammation is a reaction of living tissue to infection or injury"
https://www.google.com/search?channel=tus2&client=firefox-b-1-d&q=scientific+definition+of+tissue

More twisted understanding according to one's faith, not evidence. You deny tissue because of your  faith not science. Creationists do not need a Cambrian explosion, they know and understand that complexity was here from the beginning according to their biblical faith. The Cambrian explosion is evidence suggestive of the same. Your "Cholesterol is only produced by animals" point is moot, according to the biblical account of creation of all things in six days.

[Texas Conservative]

[Texas Conservative]

[Amo]

Good one.

[Alan]

The only one's politicizing science are the one's denying the facts. True story.

[The Barbarian]

TC, conservative scientists also prove climate change is real.   All they have to do is go to one of the several independent climate databases and look up the numbers. 

But if you really can't tell the difference between boys and girls, you're a lot more conservative than I think you are.

[Amo]

TC, conservative scientists also prove climate change is real.   All they have to do is go to one of the several independent climate databases and look up the numbers. 

But if you really can't tell the difference between boys and girls, you're a lot more conservative than I think you are.

No one is denying climate change is not real. Climate has, is, and will always continue to change. Many deny the dire predictions and fear mongering politics built upon them. Nor are conservatives the ones at all, who are having gender identity issues. Nevertheless, we all know how very little facts which contradict your own stance mean to you.

[The Barbarian]

No one is denying climate change is not real. Climate has, is, and will always continue to change. Many deny the dire predictions and fear mongering politics built upon them.

The problem is the data, and the ongoing climate change issues.  Would you like to learn more about them?

Nor are conservatives the ones at all, who are having gender identity issues.

See above.  The confusion seems to always be on the part of conservatives.   Nevertheless, we all know how very little facts which contradict your own stance mean to you.

[Amo]

The problem is the data, and the ongoing climate change issues.  Would you like to learn more about them?

See above.  The confusion seems to always be on the part of conservatives.   Nevertheless, we all know how very little facts which contradict your own stance mean to you.

Not any more than you would like to learn about the observations of those who disagree with your chosen and or often manipulated data. Nevertheless, and again, I do not deny climate change, just the fear mongering politics attached to it. I know very well from scripture, that there will be serious climate issues to deal with. I also know that humanity will not stop what God's word has predicted. This world is growing old, and is meant to be replaced. Christ alone will save anyone here, the planet cannot be saved. It has been reserved for destruction by fire, as it was once destroyed by water. You simply reject scriptural testimony regarding both, no doubt. Correct me if I am wrong.

2Pe 3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: 2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: 3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Strange that Catholics such as yourself who claim Peter was their first Pope, are some of the foremost among deniers of his above testimony.

Please do post links to conservatives who are gender confused, and I will gladly post links to lefty progressives who are as well.

[4WD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCfKf1P7G-o

Good one on the flood, ice age, and climate change.

you think that is a good one.  So the flood of Noah, which according to biblical dating occurred about 4,500 years ago, caused the last ice age which began about 18,000 years ago.  Interesting concept.  I suppose you might think the last ice age began less than 4,500 years ago, but you won't get many people to buy into that one.

[4WD]

The problem is the data....

Nah, the problem is not the data.  The problem is the interpretation of that data.  Consider the seemingly simple issue of the average global temperature.  The problem is that it is not a simple issue at all.  We can define the average global temperature, but I defy anyone to actually determine the average global temperature.  We can make observations that would indicate climate change, but I believe that specifying that climate change, scientifically, with the precision typically stated is unrealistic.  Consider the following web site:

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature

It presents a change in temperature in 2019 as 2.07^oF (1.15^oC) above the pre-industrial average (1880-1900).  I do not believe that we are able to even specify the pre-industrial average temperature to within +/- 2^oF.  Such precision simply is not available.  I doubt that the actual average global temperature in 2019 can be determined to within +/- 2^oF.  Moreover, specifying it to three significant figures is sheer idiocy.

[Texas Conservative]

The only one's politicizing science are the one's denying the facts. True story.

Many things are called facts but are not facts.  And denying that it is a fact that politics can influence scientific studies is wrong.

[Texas Conservative]

The problem is the data, and the ongoing climate change issues.  Would you like to learn more about them?

See above.  The confusion seems to always be on the part of conservatives.   Nevertheless, we all know how very little facts which contradict your own stance mean to you.

It isn't conservatives behind gender confusion.  It is the Pro-Aborts (Democrats) and Pro-Abort voters such as yourself.

[The Barbarian]

It isn't conservatives behind gender confusion. 

But I notice that when it appears, it's conservatives doing it.   So your denial isn't very convincing.

It is the Pro-Aborts (Democrats) and Pro-Abort voters such as yourself.

If you're pro-abortion, one of us is.   Is that what's bothering you?

[4WD]

But I notice that when it appears, it's conservatives doing it.   So your denial isn't very convincing.

You can't be serious.  It is the Left that has conjured up all the different "genders".  It no longer has anything to do with male versus female.  It is demeaning and it is dangerous.  The only thing the conservatives are doing is defending against the Leftist nonsense.  The Left is destroying this country and those voting for Leftism and Leftists are the real ones destroying the country.  The fundamental reason why that is true is because Leftism is incompatible with Christianity and with the basic Judaeo-Christian values this country was founded upon.

[Texas Conservative]

But I notice that when it appears, it's conservatives doing it.   So your denial isn't very convincing.

If you're pro-abortion, one of us is.   Is that what's bothering you?

I am not the one voting for Democrats, which you clearly are.  The platform is pro-abortion.  Stop trying to obfuscate because you don't like the truth being pointed out.

[The Barbarian]

Actually, I usually vote libertarian.    I voted for Carter, though.   Then I voted against him.   Bitterly regretted both votes, and kind of swore off major party candidates for president.   Democrats are less destructive to American values.   They generally say they are pro-abortion.  Republicans generally lie about it.    Trump, for example, has always been pro-abortion, and notice his Supreme Court appointments have not rejected abortion.

If you're looking for government to end abortion, you're doing it wrong.    Abortion has declined over the last few decades, even though it remains legal.  If that puzzles you, then you might want to consider that government isn't the answer for everything.

[4WD]

  Democrats are less destructive to American values.   

That is simply not true. It is democrats who control the major news media, the digital social media, the entertainment industry, the educational systems, and most government bureaucracies. Those are the ones doing serious damage to the first and second amendments just as a start.

[Amo]

Barb. sees American values through a papal lens. When the papacy had the power to do so, they just burned all recorded history they did not like, along with the people that wrote it. Since they lost such power, they have been in the revisionist business.

[Amo]

you think that is a good one.  So the flood of Noah, which according to biblical dating occurred about 4,500 years ago, caused the last ice age which began about 18,000 years ago.  Interesting concept.  I suppose you might think the last ice age began less than 4,500 years ago, but you won't get many people to buy into that one.

Negative. Such estimates are based upon faulty premise. They no doubt do not even consider the global flood scenario.

[4WD]

Negative. Such estimates are based upon faulty premise. They no doubt do not even consider the global flood scenario.

You think the last ice age was less than 4500 years ago?      Talk about a faulty premise!!

[The Barbarian]

I am not the one voting for Democrats.

My observation is that republicans talk about ending abortion, but avoid nominating Supreme Court justices who will overturn Roe. vs. Wade.   If you honestly believe that politicians will end abortion, you're more gullible than I think you  are.   

But we have been demonstrating, talking to people, and changing minds.  And we've got results:


The sharpest drops in abortion rates in America have been under Democratic presidents
In the US, abortion is one of the most divisive partisan issues in politics, and deeply entrenched in party ideology. For many voters, their anti-abortion views are what put them firmly in the Republican Party's camp. They may want to rethink their political alignment, though: during the last three decades, abortion rates have fallen the most under Democrats, and remained flat or at best decreased marginally under Republican administrations.


https://qz.com/857273/the-sharpest-drops-in-abortion-rates-in-america-have-been-under-democratic-presidents/

How can this be?   Because abortion has to do with other factors that don't change at a constant rate.   If you'd like to know what they are, consider why abortion rates fall faster under democrat presidents than under republican presidents.

[The Barbarian]

You think the last ice age was less than 4500 years ago?      Talk about a faulty premise!!

If that's a fact, all I can say is that there were a lot of extremely inobservant Native Americans around that time.

[Alan]

If that's a fact, all I can say is that there were a lot of extremely inobservant Native Americans around that time.

Or, they were excellent swimmers.

[Texas Conservative]

If that's a fact, all I can say is that there were a lot of extremely inobservant Native Americans around that time.

They were helped in their efforts by the Sky Spirits.

[Rella]

If you'd like to know what they are, consider why abortion rates fall faster under democrat presidents than under republican presidents.

I can give you an inappropriate reason for GC as to why.

[Amo]

You think the last ice age was less than 4500 years ago?      Talk about a faulty premise!!

Yes I know, much biblical testimony is laughable to you.

[4WD]

Yes I know, much biblical testimony is laughable to you.

You must be using a different version of the Bible than I.  None of the versions that I study from say anything at all about the ice ages.

[Rella]

  Democrats are less destructive to American values.   They generally say they are pro-abortion.  Republicans generally lie about it.   

While this could be seen as a laughable statement....

What parallel universe ARE you living in.
Yikes!  Who gives a flying fig about non existent quasi American values that have been shattered ever since Marilyn Monroe shared a bed with John Kennedy in the Whitehouse and we learned about it.

There has not been one sitting American President who has valued what you would call American values....

The closest is Trump, by way of his presidency ( not his former life style)

There is no way a democrat would even try to uphold any American value . They have been masters until the past 3 years of hidding that truth. But it is coming forward every day now .

American values extends , or should, to well beyond the extermination of about 4000 exterminations a day.

42.4M babies killed by abortion in 2019.

Makes Adolph seem not so bad now, doesn't it. Think about it. ("new data suggesting as many as 20 million Jews died in the Holocaust.")

American values my 

We started as a Christian Nation with a solid belief in God.

We are well on our way to hell in a hand basket so stop all the talk about American Values. There are none.