Creation scientists

[Alan]

God is not limited by that, but we humans are.

Amen to that!

[Amo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ6VGns1Iwo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRcahEgVWfI

A couple of good videos addressing the false narrative constructed and maintained by mainstream "science". Which includes archeologists rebuilding old ruins according to this same false narrative.

[Amo]

https://truthcomestolight.com/more-antarctica-strangeness-now-its-a-fossilized-forest/

MORE ANTARCTICA STRANGENESS: NOW IT'S A FOSSILIZED FOREST...

While most of the USSA is freezing from record cold temperatures (one wonders how cold it is in Canada!), it seems appropriate to blog about this story which came into my inbox during the holidays from Mr. V.T., a regular article contributor here.  As one might imagine, this prompt some really high octane speculation:

Mysterious Fossilized Antarctic Forest May Offer Evidence Of The Great Flood – But Some Facts Speak Against This Theory

As one might imagine, there are those taking this fossilized Antarctic forest as evidence of the Flood. But there's a teensy weensy "catch":

The fossilized trees in Antarctica, discovered by a team of scientists led by Erik Gulbranson, a paleoecologist at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee raise a number of unanswered questions.

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Scientists say the prehistoric forest on Antarctica existed long before the dinosaurs roamed the Earth. About 280 million years ago it was rapidly buried in volcanic ash, which preserved it down to the cellular level. The age of the forest alone speaks against the Great Flood theory because it is highly unlikely the Deluge happened so long ago.

Now, as one can imagine, that date of 280 million years ago sparked my interest, because if one adds "fossilized forest" to the small but growing amount of indicators that there may be very old and ancient artificial and perhaps even human structures on that polar continent, then clearly at one time in the distant path the world's geography was vastly different, and Antarctica-Atlantis – if I may be so bold – was a part of it. The problem, as the article points out, is the chronology: either one has to assume a very old date for such things, which raises the question of how the Atlantis mythology could be preserved to Plato's articulation of it.

One answer might be my "cosmic war" scenario which I outlined in my book of that name. In that book I hypothesized that the explosion of the planet that used to orbit in the asteroid might have been the cause of the flood myths, if that planet was a large water-bearing body. Shockwaves of water would have scoured Mars and concussed the Earth, perhaps burying Antarctica in water (ice) and altering the planet's continental disposition radically. The problem, once again, is the chronology: in my scenario, that event occurred either at 3.2 million years ago, or at 65 million years ago. Again, the datasets of chronological benchmarks are all messed up.

But one thing does emerge from this discovery and its implications: the history of Antarctica, and of our planet, is in need of some drastic revision. The problem is, do we yet have enough chronological information to compile a comprehensive history that does justice to such scenarios?

My intuition tells me, not yet.

But... we're fast approaching the point that the effort will have to be made.

This guy has a problem with the flood scenario because some scientists, no doubt of the deep time evolutionary faith, say the fossilized forest is 280 million years old. As though, whatever they say or determine according to the faith they have chosen, equals fact. Then he proceeds to go on with other theories which contradict deep time evolutionist claims as well. He admits of a problem needing correcting with the present prevalent narrative, but will choose to go anywhere other than the biblical scenario. Using the observations of deep time evolutionists concerning the same, as factual proof that the flood cannot be considered. Then moves right into territories which also contradict the claims of deep time evolutionists, which is OK I guess, because they are what he thinks might be the case. Go figure.

[Amo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNj-1gSLClc&t=516s

A few years old, but very interesting video about something in Antarctica.

[Amo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qXuAzzVOTQ

Interesting video, by one of the many who now seriously question the prevailing though faltering narratives of yesteryear. Not a creationist by any means, but one who sees and admits of the major problems with the present prevailing narrative of evolution and history. He understands the evidence for cataclysmic effect upon our history, but does not subscribe to the biblical account of such. There are a lot of people in this category. They are convicted to admit of the major problems with prevailing narratives, but not willing to accept God's word concerning the same.

[Amo]

https://www.9news.com.au/world/pterosaur-rare-fossil-giant-flying-reptile-discovered-scottish-island/cd001a22-d70b-4ec2-b1f7-e19d4c122d4b

Quoted article below, from link above. Emphasis is mine.

'Exceedingly rare' fossil of giant flying reptile discovered on Scottish island

Winged reptiles known as pterosaurs — plane-size creatures that swooped through the skies as dinosaurs walked the Earth — were the first vertebrate animals to evolve powered flight.

A spectacular three-dimensional fossil of one previously unknown pterosaur has been discovered on the shore of the Isle of Skye, off the west coast of Scotland.

With a wingspan of more than 2.5 metres, it's the biggest pterosaur ever discovered from the Jurassic period and last flapped its wings 170 million years ago.

Its sharp teeth, which would have snapped up fish, still retain their shiny enamel.

In the Cretaceous period, immediately before the asteroid strike that wiped out the dinosaurs 66 million years ago, pterosaurs like Quetzalcoatlus reached the size of fighter jets, with a 12-metre wingspan.

However, this fossil discovery confirms pterosaurs, sometimes popularly known as pterodactyls, were already very large much earlier in their evolutionary history.

"Pterosaurs preserved in such quality are exceedingly rare and are usually reserved to select rock formations in Brazil and China. And yet, an enormous superbly preserved pterosaur emerged from a tidal platform in Scotland," said Natalia Jagielska, a doctoral student at the University of Edinburgh.

She was the lead author of a paper on the fossil that was published on Tuesday in the journal Current Biology.

The fossil was discovered during a field trip in 2017, after a University of Edinburgh doctoral student, Amelia Penny, spotted its jaw protruding from the rock at an area of Skye known in Gaelic as Rubha nam Brathairean, or Brothers' Point.

The pterosaur has been given the Gaelic name Dearc sgiathanach (pronounced jark ski-an-ach), which translates to "winged reptile".

"This is a superlative Scottish fossil. The preservation is amazing, far beyond any pterosaur ever found in Scotland and probably the best British skeleton found since the days of Mary Anning in the early 1800s," said Steve Brusatte, professor and Personal Chair of Palaeontology and Evolution in the School of GeoSciences at the University of Edinburgh.

"Dearc is the biggest pterosaur we know from the Jurassic period, and that tells us that pterosaurs got larger much earlier than we thought, long before the Cretaceous period when they were competing with birds, and that's hugely significant.

Anning, an unsung pioneer of paleontology, discovered the three-metre-long Plesiosaurus in Dorset, southern England, in 1823.

The incredible fossil, the first of the species to be found intact with its snakelike neck, wowed the world, setting in motion a dinomania that gripped Victorian England and continues to this day.

A number of astounding discoveries have been made in this area of Skye in recent years, including the footprints of Stegosaurus and other dinosaurs.

Paleontologists believe it was once a subtropical lagoon and home to a thriving community of dinosaurs.
Ms Jagielska will continue to study the skeleton to understand how the ancient creature lived and flew.

"To achieve flight, pterosaurs had hollow bones with thin bone walls, making their remains incredibly fragile and unfit to (preserve) for millions of years," she said.

"And yet our skeleton, 160 million years on since its death, remains in almost pristine condition, articulated and almost complete ... as if he were alive mere weeks ago."

This article mentions several points which I often address or criticize if you will, concerning evolutionists. How many times must they make discoveries of exceptional preservation, before admitting that it is not so very exceptional to find such excellent preservation? Of course such is not conducive to supporting their deep time scenarios, rather leaning toward preservation because of a far more recent historical narrative, than their theory allows for.

Then there is the so very often repeated claim, which I have addressed many times over on these boards, that these fossils suggest complexity of development, much earlier than these evolutionists previously allowed for. Which again, as I have stated many times over on these boards, is highly suggestive of complexity from the beginning, rather than deep time slow simple to complex development suggested by these evolutionists. Over and over and over again, these statements may be found in their words and observations, yet they will never move toward that which such suggests. It does not support their narrative, so they simply will not go where the evidence actually leads or suggests. They just move complex development further and further back in time. This is not logical scientific progression of thought, it is refusal to consider other options which ever increasing evidence suggests.

Then there is of course the gigantic size of the creatures, which as I have always pointed out, is suggestive of a very different world, that at one time was far better suited to support such large and complex plant and animal life. Which again is suggestive of de-evolution on this planet due to the same, not evolution. Which is of course, far more of a biblical scenario, than an evolutionary one. Things were better, even perfect to begin with, being created by God as such. Which has been on the decline since the fall in the Garden, and most certainly since the global flood and reset of life on this planet altogether. The evidence of which is all over this planet in the numerous mass fossil graveyards all over it, which fully support such a scenario by the scientific evidence such provides. Never mind a bunch of numbskulls which insist such cannot be considered science. Who are these self important twits to determine this for everyone else? Scripture addresses them as well.

2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

2Pe 3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: 2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: 3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

[Amo]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/dinosaur-egg-fossil-birds-1.6295444

Quoted article below from link above. Emphasis is mine.

Amazingly well-preserved fossil egg shows link between dinosaurs and birds

Embryo of the dinosaur was curled up inside the egg — just like a chicken

University of Calgary paleontologist Darla Zelenitsky had seen well-preserved dinosaur egg fossils before, but nothing like this. "At one point, I'm pretty sure it winked at me," she laughs.

The fossil, the subject of a new paper published Wednesday, is so detailed it's revealing even more about the deep relationships between dinosaurs and birds, their modern-day descendants.

The fossil is from a type of theropod dinosaur called an oviraptorid, a species already on an avian evolutionary path.

First discovered in China about 20 years ago, the fossil is so completely preserved it reveals the posture of the soon-to-be theropod inside its shell. With its back curled up against the broad end of the shell and its head tucked in between its arms and legs, it looks much like an unhatched chicken.

"The skeleton is curled up in a birdlike embryonic pose," Zelenitsky said.

"Birds were thought to have a unique posture within the egg before hatching. It's evident from this fossil that some of these postures seem to have first evolved in their dinosaur ancestors."

How the link between dinosaurs and birds is growing

It's the first time scientists have been able to see how dinosaur embryos were positioned inside their eggs. Previous egg fossils have been too fragmented.

"This reinforces the link between those theropod dinosaurs and birds," Zelenitsky said.

That link is growing stronger as more evidence comes in. Dinosaurs have long been known to have sported feathers. Their asymmetrical eggs, with one broad and one pointed end, is another development birds kept. So are eggshells.

"You almost can't tell the difference between the eggshell of a bird and an oviraptorid," Zelenitsky said.

Dinosaurs are now thought to have even sat on their nests before the nestlings hatched.

"There's been a number of skeletons of oviraptorid adults sitting directly on their eggs," said Zelenitsky. "Brooding behaviour is another one that preceded birds."

Why this fossil egg stands apart

Dinosaur eggs aren't uncommon fossils. In 1997, 10 of them were found in southern Alberta at the Devil's Coulee site.

But Zelenitsky remains in awe of how well this particular fossil is preserved. The egg, she said, must have been buried quickly, completely and permanently under fine silts — perhaps from a riverbank mudslide or a flood.

It's had to avoid eons of earthquakes and other geological disturbances before making its debut in the scientific press.

"The skeleton of an embryonic dinosaur is so fragile," Zelenitsky said. "They tend to easily break down and fall apart.

"The chances of finding a dinosaur embryo like this, curled in a life position.... It's complete from the tip of the snout all the way to the end of the tail.

"I couldn't believe my eyes," she said. "I'd never seen anything like it. It's truly spectacular."

Yet another professed extremely rare very well preserved fossil. Same old story which has been repeated over and over and over again. Which of course means such is not actually very rare. Which of course tends to suggest that maybe they are not so rare, because they are not nearly as old as they are professed to be.

How about that, it avoided earthquakes and other geological disturbances for 72 million years, amazing. Or on the other hand, maybe it did not avoid such events for 72 million years, but more like several thousand years. Which would of course be far more likely.

And of course the fossil must have been buried quickly, most likely in some kind of flood scenario. Another observation we hear over and over and over again. Gee, I wonder why that is? On and on and on it goes, where it leads when coming from an evolutionist, everyone already knows. As far away from the biblical flood scenario as possible, regardless of how many endless times it seems, the evidence points in exactly that direction.

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

[Amo]

https://whdh.com/news/mass-fossil-site-may-prove-tyrannosaurs-lived-in-packs/

Quoted article below from link above. Emphasis is mine.

Mass fossil site may prove tyrannosaurs lived in packs

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — Ferocious tyrannosaur dinosaurs may not have been solitary predators as long envisioned, but more like social carnivores such as wolves, new research unveiled Monday found.

Paleontologists developed the theory while studying a mass tyrannosaur death site found seven years ago in the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument in southern Utah, one of two monuments that the Biden administration is considering restoring to their full size after former President Donald Trump shrunk them.

Using geochemical analysis of the bones and rock, a team of researchers with the University of Arkansas determined that the dinosaurs died and were buried in the same place and were not the result of fossils washing in from multiple areas.

Kristi Curry Rogers, a biology professor at Macalester College, said this research is a "good start" but more evidence would be needed before determining that the tyrannosaurs were living in a social group.

"It is a little tougher to be so sure that these data mean that these tyrannosaurs lived together in the good times," Rogers said. "It's possible that these animals may have lived in the same vicinity as one another without traveling together in a social group, and just came together around dwindling resources as times got tougher."

In 2014, Bureau of Land Management paleontologist Alan Titus discovered the site, which was later named the Rainbows and Unicorns quarry because of the vast array of fossils contained inside. Excavation has been ongoing since the site's discovery because of the size of the area and volume of bones.

"I consider this a once-in-a-lifetime discovery for myself," Titus told reporters during a virtual news conference. "I probably won't find another site this exciting and scientifically significant during my career."

The new Utah site is the third mass tyrannosaur grave site that's been discovered in North America and provides even more evidence that tyrannosaurs may have lived in groups, Titus said.

The social tyrannosaurs theory began over 20 years ago when more than a dozen tyrannosaurs were found at a site in Alberta, Canada. Another mass death site in Montana again raised the possibility of social tyrannosaurs. Many scientists questioned the theory, arguing that the dinosaurs didn't have the brainpower to engage in sophisticated social interaction, Titus said.

"Going that next step to understand behavior and how animals behave requires really amazing evidence," Joseph Sertich, curator of dinosaurs at the Denver Museum of Nature & Science, said at the news conference. "I think that this site, the spectacular collection of tyrannosaurs but also the other assembled pieces of evidence ... pushes us to the point where we can show some evidence for behavior."

In addition to the tyrannosaurs, researchers have also found seven species of turtles, multiple fish and ray species, two other kinds of dinosaurs and a nearly complete skeleton of a juvenile Deinosuchus alligator. These other animals do not appear to have all died together.

Paleontology groups have been among those pushing the federal government to restore the Bears Ears National Monument and Grand Staircase-Escalante to their original sizes to protect the region's rich paleontological and archaeological record.

Interior Secretary Deb Haaland visited southern Utah earlier this month as she prepared to submit recommendations on whether to reverse Trump's decision to downsize the monuments. Titus said he showed Haaland some of the fossils at his lab during her visit and said she "appreciated getting to see the material."

"The (Bureau of Land Management) is protecting these fossils as national treasures." Titus said. "They're part of the story of how North America came to be and how ultimately we came to be."

More mass fossil graveyards. Gee why would all of these tyrannosaurs's be together with a whole bunch of other creatures in a mass graveyard? Could it be they died together, and were buried rapidly by flood conditions as almost all mass graveyards indicate? No, not if you are an evolutionist apparently. It means they hunted in packs, that is why they were together, never mind the rest of the animals which were also buried with them. Apparently turtles, fish, and some rays hunted with them on land as well. Part of the whole evolutionary thing I guess.

Yea, a global flood tends to create hard times, and brings all sorts of creatures together in survival mode. The article says the other animals do not "appear" to have all died together. Not very scientific sounding. So why did they all end up in relatively the same place? Could it be catastrophic conditions as is obvious in so many other places? Same old, same old, same old. Supposed "scientists" simply sticking to their predetermined and chosen narratives, rather than moving toward where so very very much exponentially increasing evidence leads. "Science", I don't think so. More like faith. 

[Amo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpKMbsp80Ww

The latest interesting video from Dr. Kurt Wise.

[Amo]

https://www.nsf.gov/news/mmg/mmg_disp.jsp?med_id=77779

Enormous underwater fossil graveyard found

Anthropologists and paleontologists uncovered what could be the largest single collection of lemur remains ever found. The remains were hidden in a series of underwater caves in a remote desert region of Madagascar. Described as a "lemur graveyard," the discovery of hundreds of potentially 1,000-year-old skeletons make it one of the most unique animal gravesites in the world. This discovery could be important for understanding animal and human ancestry, and result in a new era for underwater paleontology.

A video at link provided, gives more details. Of course the find is being referred to as very rare, as the so very very many finds always are. Unusual preservation as always stated so very very many times. Obviously flood related as the fossils are even now still under water. Many different kinds of animals with many Lemurs, and even a giant one. All recently extinct kinds. Gee, I wonder why that is. Same old, same old, same old. Obvious flood related mass burial and preservation, be directed elsewhere by those of the evolutionary faith, in order to avoid the truth staring them in the face over and over and over again. Willing ignorance which the scriptures themselves predicted. So be it.

[Amo]

https://stillnessinthestorm.com/2019/05/scientists-make-fantastic-find-a-fossil-graveyard-that-holds-many-keys-to-earths-past/

Quoted article below from link above. Emphasis is mine.

Scientists Make Fantastic Find — a "Fossil Graveyard" That Holds Many Keys to Earth's Past

A team of paleontologists has potentially made the find of the century, having discovered a fossil graveyard that they say contains "extraordinary evidence" that the asteroid that smashed into the Earth 66 million years ago is responsible for the extinction of the dinosaurs.The remarkable findings are all part of a study published by PNAS (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America).

by Staff Writer, April 13th, 2019

The New Yorker was one of the first publications to run with this amazing story; however, it seems the article itself doesn't jibe with the study's findings.

LiveScience's Senior Writer Mindy Weisberger didn't fail to notice this.

"The New Yorker recently described a so-called dinosaur graveyard as holding the remains of dinosaur fossils, including hatchlings; it caused quite a buzz in the media," she writes. "But even though the site is potentially ground-breaking, the New Yorker article is out of step with the study describing the find."

The article paints the picture of a graveyard filled with Pterosaurs, small mammals, and "almost every dinosaur group known from Hell Creek," at the site, in North Dakota's Hell Creek formation. But in the study, the paleontologists — from the University of Kansas and the University of Manchester — make no mention of finding dinosaurs, save for one isolated and incomplete hipbone.

In their study, the researchers describe a deposit that's about three feet thick (about 1.3 meters) and full of fossils of freshwater fish, ammonites (extinct relatives of the modern-day nautilus), animal burrows, and plenty of vegetation.

And that means the site is a treasure trove for paleontologists, a virtual zoo of Cretaceous creatures that were buried all at once, Weisberger notes. The fossils are a "motherlode of exquisitely preserved animal and fish fossils," according to a study published Monday, CNNreports.

When the asteroid plowed into Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula 66 million years ago it created the famous Chicxulub Crater. One of the most destructive events in Earth's history, it wiped out an estimated 75 percent of plant and animals species worldwide.

And the asteroid struck with such force that it triggered massive tsunami-like surges and pelted the planet with torrents of rocks in the form of fine sand and glass beads.

"A tsunami would have taken at least 17 or more hours to reach the site from the crater, but seismic waves — and a subsequent surge — would have reached it in tens of minutes," said paleontologist Robert DePalma, the study's lead author.

The calamity left behind "a tangled mass of freshwater fish, terrestrial vertebrates, trees, branches, logs, marine ammonites, and other marine creatures," said DePalma, a doctoral student from the University of Kansas.

"No other site has a record quite like that," he said. "And this particular event is tied directly to all of us — to every mammal on Earth, in fact. Because this is essentially where we inherited the planet. Nothing was the same after that impact. It became a planet of mammals rather than a planet of dinosaurs."

And when the asteroid hit, it signaled the end of the Cretaceous period (145.5 million years ago to 65.5 million years ago) and the beginning of the Paleogene. Sandwiched between layers of Cretaceous and Paleogene rocks, the densely packed fossils show these creatures all died at once.

"Their presence there, and the presence of all the other details in sediments is helping us to tease out all the little, tiny details that occurred in the first moments after the impact that were unclear before this discovery," DePalma said.

A "Raiders of The Lost Ark" fan, DePalma named the site "Tanis" the city that, in the movie, hid the famous Ark of The Covenant.

More than 50 percent of the freshwater fish found at the site died bearing tiny glass balls (called spherules) embedded in their gills. The entire site, in fact, was riddled with spherules that ranged in size from 0.01 to 0.06 inches (0.03 to 1.4 millimeters) in diameter. Also called tektites, these glass beads were formed by droplets of melted rock which were flung into the atmosphere as a result of the asteroid's impact. Within minutes they plummeted earthward. Fish and other creatures at the site inhaled and choked on the tektites and were subsequently buried by debris, the researchers said.

And the spherules were also found embedded and perfectly preserved in amber associated with tree trunks and branches, leading the researchers to believe the spherules and the fish were buried at the same time.

An enormous 34-foot wave followed, surging into the river's valley from the sea, carrying sand and mud that buried the hapless creatures and plants. Flowing from West to East, the water surged in the opposite direction of the river's flow. And this is why the scientists know the mass deaths weren't caused by typical flooding.

The only thing that could create the mass deposit was a tsunami, or possibly a seiche (an enormous wave that forms in large bodies of water) the researchers said. And that was likely caused by seismic waves created by the asteroid's impact.

All around the world dozens of sites exhibit a geologic layer that marks the end of the Cretaceous period. These layers are also rich in spherules and minerals that fell to Earth after the impact. And they serve as a sharp contrast between global diversity as numerous species of plants and animals disappeared at the end of the Cretaceous, said Kirk Johnson, director of the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History in Washington D.C. in an interview with LiveScience.

But what makes the Tanis site so marvelous is that it really is like a snapshot in time, preserving a moment "during the catastrophe itself," said Johnson, who wasn't involved in the study.

"That's the incredible thing about this," he said. "It gives you some texture on what was happening on the day when the asteroid hit."

For DePalma, it opens a window into what can happen during a global extinction event, and possibly offer clues on how to deal with the extinction event we're faced with now.

"If we can understand how the world responds to things like that, we can understand how we might begin to deal with an extinction-level event today," he said.

The Cretaceous was, in so many ways, different than the world today. But like today, it was full of beautiful and diverse species all tasked with facing down extinction. It will be fascinating to see what the scientists learn and if we will be able to use this knowledge to protect Earth's precious biodiversity.

By all accounts, it appears that mainstream science has been obscuring the true history of the earth. The preceding information provides substantive evidence and arguments that make the case for more accurate history, specifically within an electric universe theory model. Due to the seeming validity of this more accurate model, it can help dispel the false reality pushed by the deep state. Therefore, it has the power to help awaken the truth-seeking urge.

On and on and on it goes, as far away as possible from the biblical flood scenario as possible, as everyone knows. Even while admitting of exact conditions a global flood would cause, and of a flood itself. While at the same time pointing out that mainstream science has been obscuring the truth. You can't make this stuff up. Go figure.

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

[4WD]

From your article:

https://stillnessinthestorm.com/2019/05/scientists-make-fantastic-find-a-fossil-graveyard-that-holds-many-keys-to-earths-past/

.....By all accounts, it appears that mainstream science has been obscuring the true history of the earth. The preceding information provides substantive evidence and arguments that make the case for more accurate history, specifically within an electric universe theory model.......

A quick review of some thoughts about the Electric Universe Theory.  A typical of many responses:

https://www.quora.com/What-do-physicists-think-about-the-Electric-Universe-Theory?msclkid=6fc98763a71511eca1bd70576c1e3ece


Emphasis in the following mine.

What do physicists think about the Electric Universe Theory?

Steve Coleman
, former Analyst at Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Lab (2000-2020)
Answered 4 years ago · Author has 462 answers and 579.2K answer views
Some Natural Philosophers believe in it, but no real physicists that I know of.

It's all too easy for someone to use a scientifically sounding buzz-word that to the uneducated sounds very scientific. If enough people in a crowd don't understand the physics, then this person may garner a crowd of people big enough and get a mental high off the experience of feeling important. That psychosis in itself keeps that person from ever looking critically at their own theory, and instead they get very defensive, or start trying to discount or shrug-off any facts presented to the contrary. Its really sad to watch someone struggle and do absolutely anything and everything to try save a pet theory that has no real technical merit.

You can continue reading from the quoted response and if you wish look into many more thoughts about your scientifically sounding buzz-word that to the uneducated sounds very scientific.

[4WD]

Amo, I really do not care what you believe about such things.  But I do care that you continue to malign science and scientists proclaiming both as inherently against God.  That in itself is bad enough given that you are really ignorant about all things scientific. But then even worse you then dig up scientific-sounding stuff, which is in fact not scientific at all, but which you think supports your views.

I suggest you stick to quoting scripture and give us your interpretation of that scripture.  At least in that you are being honest. And to that we can agree or not agree with your interpretation.  Stay away from that pseudo-science stuff that sounds good to you but is just bad stuff.  It really doesn't help your arguments at all; in fact, if anything it detracts from your views.

P.S. As I have noted before, the very phrase, creation scientists, is an oxymoron.  Creation [ex nihilo] is, by definition, quite outside of science and all things scientific.

[Amo]

I quote articles from all kinds of people 4WD, whose theories I do not subscribe to or believe, evolutionist articles especially. My point is not to support said theories, but rather to point out either inconsistencies within them, or information within them which actually supports the creation account more than their own theories, though they will not acknowledge such.

The point of science is of course to seek out and understand truth. God's word is truth. It states that God created this world, and therefore all science related to revealing said truth, is exactly what science is all about. Yet here you are declaring that the term Creation Science, is an oxymoron, while claiming to be a bible believer. Go figure.

I of course consider you to be every bit as ignorant as you suggest I am considering all things scientific, even if you are more as it were, "scientifically educated" than I am. Science built upon faulty premise is not science at all, just a bunch of observations and theories relating to what was false from the get go. So be it.

[4WD]

I quote articles from all kinds of people 4WD, whose theories I do not subscribe to or believe, evolutionist articles especially. My point is not to support said theories, but rather to point out either inconsistencies within them, or information within them which actually supports the creation account more than their own theories, though they will not acknowledge such.

Very few evolutionists ever talk about creation. That is because they know that creation is not something that science can describe.  Those that do talk about it are obviously not doing it from the perspective of science.

The point of science is of course to seek out and understand truth.

The point of science is of course to seek out and understand truth about the physical universe.  There are entire fields of interest such as philosophy and theology which are not the subject of interest in science.  But obviously you do not understand that.

God's word is truth. It states that God created this world, and therefore all science related to revealing said truth, is exactly what science is all about.

Science is about revealing the truth about what has been created, not about creation.  But obviously you do not understand that either.

Yet here you are declaring that the term Creation Science, is an oxymoron, while claiming to be a bible believer. Go figure.

It is obvious that not only do you not know and understand anything about science; it would seem that your understanding about what the Bible is all about is rather weak in some points as well. God said, "The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork" (Psa 19:1); but you can't seem to get your eyes off of your own belly button.

size=10pt]I of course consider you to be every bit as ignorant as you suggest I am considering all things scientific, even if you are more as it were, "scientifically educated" than I am. Science built upon faulty premise is not science at all, just a bunch of observations and theories relating to what was false from the get go. So be it.[/size]

It is apparent that anytime that you are speaking about things scientific, you are totally out of your element; and I mean totally.  And once again you have shown that to be the case here. 

Thank you for making my case. 

[Amo]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/02/24/asteroid-killed-dinosaurs-hit-earth-spring/6913443001/

Quoted article below from link above, emphasis is mine.

New research says asteroid that killed the dinosaurs hit Earth in the spring

Springtime is often associated with blooming flowers, sunshine and perfect weather.

Now it is the time associated with when the dinosaurs were wiped off the face of the Earth, researchers suggest in a study published in the peer-reviewed journal, Nature.

Dinosaurs went extinct roughly 66 million years ago, marking the end of the Cretaceous Period, after an asteroid about 7 miles wide struck what is now the Yucatán peninsula off Mexico.

But scientists have been confused over the time of year the asteroid hit, and how some animals, such as birds, crocodiles and snakes, managed to survive while dinosaurs and other marine life didn't.

Paleontologists in 2019 discovered a "fossil graveyard" in a fossil-rich area known as Tanis in North Dakota containing a group of animals that died shortly after the asteroid hit Earth. Their death came from a tsunami-like wave filled with rocks and glass that buried the animals alive, probably killing them within an hour of the asteroid's impact.

Researchers also discovered fossils of paddlefishes and sturgeons in Tanis that were well preserved.

"It was obvious to us that we needed to analyze these bones to get valuable information about the moment of the impact," Melanie During, a researcher at Uppsala University in Sweden and lead author of the study, said in a statement.

Researchers took the fossils to the European Synchrotron Radiation Facility in France to use a particle accelerator that produces the "world's brightest X-rays."

Using the technology, the team noticed there was seasonal growth on the bones, similar to trees in that there was a new layer on the bone from every year. What the scans also showed was how the shape and sizes of the bones varied depending on the seasons.

Dennis Voeten, researcher at Uppsala University, said all fish bone cell densities and volumes can indicate the season, and because the accelerator also could capture the sizes, researchers were able to determine when the asteroid hit.

Another confirmation the team received was the analysis of carbon in the bones to show how much plankton was present. Plankton are most abundant during the summer, but the organisms were near summer levels, indicating their presence was on the rise.

"We saw that both cell density and volumes were on the rise but had not yet peaked during the year of death, which implies that growth abruptly stopped in spring," Voeten said.

Finding out what season the asteroid hit gives possible answers on why some animals went extinct and others didn't. Because it was spring in the Northern Hemisphere, animals and plant life were ending their hibernation periods or were in the beginning stages of life, meaning their chances of surviving were little to none. On the other hand, it was fall in the Southern Hemisphere, meaning they could be preparing to hibernate and have places to hide from the cataclysm .

"Southern Hemisphere ecosystems, which were struck during austral autumn, appear to have recovered up to twice as fast as Northern Hemisphere communities, consistent with a seasonal effect on biotic recovery," the paper notes. "Additional modes of seasonal dormancy, torpor and/or aestivation, which are nowadays practiced by various mammals, as well as certain amphibians, birds and crocodilians, could have facilitated further underground survival."

The team hopes the findings are the first step in pinpointing the exact date the asteroid hit and could explain how some animals survived mass extinction and others didn't.

The above article is a prime example of how evolutionary "scientists" assume just what the scriptures predicted they would assume, in their faulty and erroneous observations and conclusions.

2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

Even though these scientists have basically admitted that much of the world was in fact destroyed by a flood, just not the flood of biblical account, they still make determinations based on the idea that all things continue now as they were from the beginning, or very very long ago. As though spring, summer, fall, and winter were as they are now 66 million years ago. While Creationists know that nothing was the way it is now even thousands of years ago. Even evolutionists really know that Climate Change has been going on forever as it were, in relation to this earth in any case. The evidence of a very different world is everywhere, even in the Arctic, where buried forests of the past have been discovered. Surely also they must realize that a global life ending catastrophe such as they believe in, would seriously effect if not completely alter the "seasons" as we presently observe and understand them. So why would they even attempt to suggest that they know and or understand what season of the year as we now understand it, the world ended 66 million years ago?

What makes such fallible, faulty, and very often mistaken people just like the rest of us, so pridefully confident in their supposed knowledge of just exactly what took place 66 million years ago, according to their understanding? Is it not because they walk after their own lusts as the scriptures quoted state. They simply want such and such a theory to be true, they lust it, so they create it out of the observations they make according to it. Even though they themselves know the world was at times in the past, completely different than it is now, even apart from the creation account.

Of course they will not consider either, that the reason some species survived and others didn't, is because nothing would have survived at all, if God had not provided for such. Nothing survives tsunamis which drowned and or bury every living thing together under heaps of mud and earth. Their search for why some survived and some did not will be as fruitless and deceptive in interpretation, as all the rest of their theories based upon faulty premise.

Gen 8:20 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. 21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done. 22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

The seasons we now understand and count upon were established and are maintained by God Himself after the flood. Thus far can they be relied upon concerning "scientific" observation, and no further. The world was very different before the flood, and even for evolutionists at one time, though they know not how or when. Regardless of what they claim according to their boastful pride.

2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

[Amo]

Very few evolutionists ever talk about creation. That is because they know that creation is not something that science can describe.  Those that do talk about it are obviously not doing it from the perspective of science.The point of science is of course to seek out and understand truth about the physical universe.  There are entire fields of interest such as philosophy and theology which are not the subject of interest in science.  But obviously you do not understand that.Science is about revealing the truth about what has been created, not about creation.  But obviously you do not understand that either.It is obvious that not only do you not know and understand anything about science; it would seem that your understanding about what the Bible is all about is rather weak in some points as well. God said, "The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork" (Psa 19:1); but you can't seem to get your eyes off of your own belly button. It is apparent that anytime that you are speaking about things scientific, you are totally out of your element; and I mean totally.  And once again you have shown that to be the case here. 

Thank you for making my case.

Blah, blah, blah. Right, go back to your big bang, and bow before it. Seek to prove it and your deep time theories in contradiction to the word of God. I will seek to prove and establish the God of Holy scripture as His word has declared it in the creation account. Science, which is nothing more than research, observation, some testing in relation to the same, and conclusion, is methodology available to all. Not just evolutionists, or any other discipline or faith which may make false claims concerning ownership of it. Creationists have every right, just like anyone else, to make use of the methods, and claim such to be scientific observation and conclusion as well. Anyone who says or states otherwise is simply on a power trip, seeking control and manipulation which they simply do not have.

You quoted the scripture, to which I will add sone context -

Psa 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. 2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. 3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. 4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, 5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. 6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof. 7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. 8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes. 9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. 10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. 11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward. 12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults. 13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression. 14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.

What does the verse say, but that observing what is, points out God's creation. And what is science but observation and conclusion, which again you say cannot include observing that God created all, as in Creation Science. Get a grip man, you are in denial of the scriptures you just quoted. Of course, this is not the only scriptures you deny. The above also declares that God's law and commandments are perfect, sure, making one wise, right, and pure enlightening the eyes. Yet do you not deny them as well in your evolutionary faith?

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Yes, you do. You deny the words spoken to Israel directly from God's mouth, and written with His own finger twice. Then, in so doing, you declare that denial "science", or in other words truth. Making the word of God a lie, and your own the truth. So be it.

]Mar 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. 10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: 11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. 12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; 13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Therefore also is the theory of evolution. A tradition, a theory, and commandments of men. Making the word of God of none effect. If evolution is truth, then I do not worship God. If the fourth commandment of God is truth, then you do not worship God. If in fact no one can really even know either way, then what is the point of God in the first place. He is in fact whatever we make Him. He is our creation, we are not His. "Christian" evolutionists have created there own god, the one they preach is found nowhere in scripture. Correct me if I am wrong by showing me scriptures reference to evolution, and God's use of it in bringing about this present world please. Thank you.

[4WD]

Is it not because they walk after their own lusts as the scriptures quoted state. They simply want such and such a theory to be true, they lust it.....

Sort of like you, Amo.

[4WD]

Therefore also is the theory of evolution. A tradition, a theory, and commandments of men. Making the word of God of none effect. If evolution is truth, then I do not worship God. If the fourth commandment of God is truth, then you do not worship God. If in fact no one can really even know either way, then what is the point of God in the first place. He is in fact whatever we make Him. He is our creation, we are not His. "Christian" evolutionists have created there own god, the one they preach is found nowhere in scripture. Correct me if I am wrong by showing me scriptures reference to evolution, and God's use of it in bringing about this present world please. Thank you.

Your arrogant ignorance is showing again.

[Amo]

Sort of like you, Amo.

Yes, I lust for God's word to be true, and mean just what it says. A standard which is true, pure, righteous, and holy. To give my life and existence the truth, purity, righteousness, holiness, and purpose it so desperately lacks. Which I have found in the life and teachings of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. So be it. 

[4WD]

Yes, I lust for God's word to be true, and mean just what it says. A standard which is true, pure, righteous, and holy. To give my life and existence the truth, purity, righteousness, holiness, and purpose it so desperately lacks. Which I have found in the life and teachings of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. So be it.

You have described me.  Thank you.

[Amo]

Your arrogant ignorance is showing again.

Yes, of course. As opposed to your humble and all enlightened scientific knowledge I suppose. Correct? So be it in your mind, as you wish.

[Amo]

You have described me.  Thank you.

Ah, very well then. I ask you again then, as I have so very many times, please do point out how God's word simply states the theory of evolution for us. Thank you.

[4WD]

Ah, very well then. I ask you again then, as I have so very many times, please do point out how God's word simply states the theory of evolution for us. Thank you.

Ah, very well then. I ask you again then, as I have so very many times, please do point out how God's word simply states the theory of electromagnetism for us. Hummmmm. Guess all such theories, according to your theology, are simply wrong. As I said earlier, your arrogant ignorance shows again.

[Amo]

Ah, very well then. I ask you again then, as I have so very many times, please do point out how God's word simply states the theory of electromagnetism for us. Hummmmm. Guess all such theories, according to your theology, are simply wrong. As I said earlier, your arrogant ignorance shows again.

Continual dodge and evade tactics are obvious. Scripture does not address electromagnetism, as you very well know. It most certainly does address our creation though, with quite some detail, which you certainly also know very well. You cannot address evolution from the scriptures, because the scriptures give a very different account of our origins. Which you ignore by in faith another account, found nowhere in scripture at all. So be it.

[4WD]

Continual dodge and evade tactics are obvious. Scripture does not address electromagnetism, as you very well know. It most certainly does address our creation though, with quite some detail, which you certainly also know very well.

No dodge and evade.  The issue was not creation, but rather evolution. Detail?  Not hardly.  There was more detail in the instruction manual with the my purchase of diff lockers than in the Bible concerning creation.

You cannot address evolution from the scriptures, because the scriptures give a very different account of our origins. Which you ignore by in faith another account, found nowhere in scripture at all. So be it.

And you cannot address evolution from the scriptures either, yet you do it all the time; in fact, to listen to you, you make it an absolute biblical test of fellowship; and that to your shame.  According to you, anyone who disagrees with your interpretation must be a godless heretical scientist without a faith in God.  And I neither ignore nor address creation by faith in another account but rather by faith in the actual God of that creation; the account of the creation as given in the heavens that declare the glory of God and the sky that proclaims His handiwork.

And if you really knew and understood that other account that you refer to, you might be surprised just how closely it matches the Genesis account: but of course, you absolutely do not know and understand anything about it at all.

[Amo]

No dodge and evade.  The issue was not creation, but rather evolution. Detail?  Not hardly.  There was more detail in the instruction manual with the my purchase of diff lockers than in the Bible concerning creation.And you cannot address evolution from the scriptures either, yet you do it all the time; in fact, to listen to you, you make it an absolute biblical test of fellowship; and that to your shame.  According to you, anyone who disagrees with your interpretation must be a godless heretical scientist without a faith in God.  And I neither ignore nor address creation by faith in another account but rather by faith in the actual God of that creation; the account of the creation as given in the heavens that declare the glory of God and the sky that proclaims His handiwork.

And if you really knew and understood that other account that you refer to, you might be surprised just how closely it matches the Genesis account: but of course, you absolutely do not know and understand anything about it at all.

You can keep pretending there is not enough detail in scripture for any to know the basics at least of how and what God did at creation, by simply taking scriptures word for it, but this will never make it so. It is recorded and backed up throughout the bible. I address evolution all the time, concerning the fact that it is found nowhere in scripture at all, but only contradicted by it. And you continually evade the task of showing me or anyone else, even one scripture that does anything like even hint of the theory of evolution. There is a good reason for that of course, in that there are none. Of course God's word is not about theories, it is about truth.

Your constant argument is that I am completely ignorant, very well. Mine is that you are willingly ignorant, as the scriptures themselves testify regarding you, not me. Of course you reject these scriptures as well. Let's shift gears a little bit. Never mind explaining how the scriptures reveal evolution at all, which you obviously cannot do, please do explain what the following scriptures actually mean.

2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

According to the apostle Peter above, who is willingly ignorant, and why? Also, what effect does the above testimony have upon such as the theory of evolution?

As for your oft repeated claims that I am the one who uses belief in the creation account as a test of fellowship, please explain your understanding of the following scriptures as well, if you will.

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report. 3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Psa 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. 7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses. 8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him. 9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Exo 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. 17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Never mind evolution or not for now, what is your understanding of the above scriptures please? Do the above scriptures not imply the importance of believing what they state? Of course they do. What do you understand they mean? Is this to much, to ask for an account of your faith?

[4WD]

More Amo Bovine Scat.  Your entire argument hangs upon your interpretation of the Hebrew word "yom" as it is used in Genesis 1, no matter how it is used sometimes elsewhere.

Now the fact that your interpretation of that word in God's special revelation is, without question, in stark contrast to God's general revelation should lead you to question your interpretation. But, of course, you would never do that.

None of the passages you posted conflict with God's general revelation.  The only conflict is your interpretation.

[Amo]

More Amo Bovine Scat.  Your entire argument hangs upon your interpretation of the Hebrew word "yom" as it is used in Genesis 1, no matter how it is used sometimes elsewhere.

Now the fact that your interpretation of that word in God's special revelation is, without question, in stark contrast to God's general revelation should lead you to question your interpretation. But, of course, you would never do that.

As I thought, no desire to give an account of the faith you have chosen.

1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

You simply will not ever answer questions regarding the reason for your faith in evolution, or attempt to explain the true meaning of scriptures which appear to contradict said faith. There is a good reason for that. You cannot use scripture to do so. Here you are falling back again upon the definition of one word, which could mean what you choose to believe, or what I choose. Your entire scriptural faith concerning evolution is based upon a possible definition of one word, which would make its meaning contradict many other simple and plain statements of scripture to the contrary. This is your choice, you have no other scriptural basis for your faith in the theory of evolution? Is that correct? This highly contested interpretation of one word, is the entirety of your scriptural argument for evolution? Absolutely nothing more to say on the matter? Apparently not, since I have asked you over and over again to expound further.

Nevertheless, here we are, please do state the general revelation you claim exists from God's word, concerning your faith. You say I would never accept that special revelation, but to the contrary I have asked you to give us that revelation over an over and over again. You will not. Where is it? Tell us please. How can I accept a supposed general revelation which I can personally find nowhere in scripture at all, and which you refuse to reveal or expound upon? A possible definition of one word, does not a general revelation make. I take it for granted, that this should be obvious to all. Especially someone such as yourself, who according to your own testimony, understands the scientific method so very very well. Certainly far better than I do. Are good scientific theories built upon one questionable piece of suggested evidence? Of course not. Should therefore good biblical doctrine and or faith be built upon one questionable definition of one word? Of course not. If you cannot expound upon your faith in the theory of evolution from scripture, then in fact, your faith is in that which is extra biblical. So be it.

[Amo]

https://www.thetravel.com/25-surprising-places-covered-with-strange-fossils-from-the-past/

Following quotes are from above link.

Thousands Of Jurassic Turtle Fossils Were Located In China

In the northwest province of Xinjiang, China, the remains of more than 1,800 Jurassic turtles, dating back millions of years, were found. The theory as to why the mesa chelonia turtles were gathered here, some stacked on top of each other, is believed to be because of a severe drought.

According to CBS News, the turtles gathered in a remaining watering hole waiting for rain, but the hole dried up before the rain came, resulting in the mass graveyard. In fact, it is the rain that is believed to have washed the deceased turtles and river mud into one place, their final resting place.

How about that, these turtles were obviously gathered together by significant flood conditions, burying them in mud. Just like all over the rest of the world. But apparently according to these agenda driven "scientists", this was all due to drought conditions. Why do you suppose they would conclude such? Is it not because they simply do not want to support in any way the biblical flood scenario, the proof of which is all over the world, including here right in front of their faces? What about their own scenario of tsunami by way of huge meteor? Go figure.

There Are Few Finds As Rare And Interesting As This Mid-Combat Fossil

It's rare to find a fossil of an animal in mid-action, but this happened 74 million-year-old ago; in 1971, the fossils of a carnivorous velociraptor battling a plant-eating protoceratops were found in the Gobi desert in Mongolia.

The velociraptor was hunting its prey, but the protoceratops is believed to have put up a fight and its jaws locked around the arm of the predator. It is one of the most bizarre fossils because while the two creatures were in mid-combat, a sand dune is believed to have fallen on top of them, burying them in this position, New Scientist reports.

A sand dune fell on top of them? There are many fossils the world over obviously buried instantly from catastrophic events or event. Such as that of a global flood in which the fountains of the great deep blew open with unimaginable force from the pressure of countless tons of earth sitting on top of them. Not to mention the undoubtedly volcanic and earthquake activity which would probably be associated with the same.

Ancient Insect Fossils Tell The Story Of Their Diversity

There was a time when insect species were limited, but 237 million years ago there was, as Science Mag puts it, an "explosion of diversity." This happened after a mass extinction event known as the Permian-Triassic around 252 million years ago.

The evidence of the change in insect life can be found in two massive fossil sites in China. The sites are reportedly ancient lake beds covered in layers of sandstone and rocks, and paleontologists found 800 fossils in these locations -- a rare and wonderful find as the publication notes fossils of insects are rare because they lack bones.

As almost always, water was involved in the burial and preservation. Which must have been fairly rapid, or else as the article points out, such preservation is not likely. Though the article doesn't point this out. Like it did with the drought which caused the turtles to be buried by water and mud, and the creatures instantly covered by a sand dune which dropped on them. Sure, sure.

The Petrified Forest National Park Displays Fossils From The Past

Arizona's Petrified Forest National Park is one of the best places to see dinosaur fossils, according to USA Today. Although the publication notes this site is better known for its fossilized wood, what is also of interest is the dinosaur bones and eggs that have been discovered here.

The national park has a visitor's center, where it displays these skeletons. According to the National Park Service website, in addition to the exhibits and the knowledge that can be learned here, the park is also an attraction for those who want to be at one with nature and hiking and backpacking is possible.

You can't see the photo of the logs or trees referred to above here, I don't know how to put it here. But they are as it were, perfectly cut with a saw or chain saw. There is no way they broke like that when they were wood, and certainly not when they were rock. So what gives? How did they end up so perfectly cut, apparently? Unless of course they are not near as old as claimed, and were actually cut before petrified. We now know petrification can occur very rapidly under the right conditions. Anyone have another explanation for the apparent clean cuts?

[4WD]

As I thought, no desire to give an account of the faith you have chosen.

As I noted above, If anyone would disagree with your particular interpretation then you discount their faith.  In that you are truly disgusting.

You simply will not ever answer questions regarding the reason for your faith in evolution, or attempt to explain the true meaning of scriptures which appear to contradict said faith.

The only contradiction here is you.  I have answered that question many times here. But you seem not to have sufficient knowledge [or intelligence] to comprehend. You simply pass it off as lack of faith in God.  But that, I perceive, is simply who or what you are.

Nevertheless, here we are, please do state the general revelation you claim exists from God's word, concerning your faith.

It would seem that you haven't a clue of what is God's general revelation.  But that is not surprising at all.  Come back when you figure out what that is and maybe we can have a rational discussion.

[Amo]

As I noted above, If anyone would disagree with your particular interpretation then you discount their faith.  In that you are truly disgusting.The only contradiction here is you.  I have answered that question many times here. But you seem not to have sufficient knowledge [or intelligence] to comprehend. You simply pass it off as lack of faith in God.  But that, I perceive, is simply who or what you are.It would seem that you haven't a clue of what is God's general revelation.  But that is not surprising at all.  Come back when you figure out what that is and maybe we can have a rational discussion.

Actually, I started this thread, and will continue to post on it. You may of course come back whenever you wish and actually do what you claim you have done many times over already. Please do provide a link to one of the many times you have already answered my questions. Thank you. Claims of superior intelligence and comprehension are just that, nothing more. Just as accusations of ignorance and unintelligence are just that, and nothing more. As far as what is disgusting, let us contemplate such for a moment.

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

https://creationstudies.org/operationsalt/communism-is-the-fruit-of-evolution.html

Quoted article below from link above.

Communism is the Fruit of Evolution

Karl Marx wanted to dedicate his Das Kaptita1 to Darwin. Marx believed that Darwin's book contained the basic view of "class struggle in History." He read Darwin while in prison in December of 1860. "Defending Darwin is nothing new for socialists. The socialist movement recognized Darwinism as an important element in its general world outlook right from the start. When Darwin published his Origin of Species in 1859, Karl Marx wrote a letter to Frederick Engels in which he said, '... this is the book which contains the basis in natural history for our view.'

Conner, Cliff, "Evolution vs. Creationism: In Defense of Scientific Thinking," International Socialist Review (Monthly Magazine Supplement to the Militant) (November 1980)

Joseph Stalin carried out the bloodiest massacres in world history by ordering the execution of 20 million people. He believed adamantly that the teaching of evolution would turn one against God and once God was removed, the people would be committed to the state. Pro-Stalin propaganda published in Moscow in 1940 illustrates this:

"I'll lend you a book to read; it will show you that the world and all living things are quite different from what you imagine, and all this talk about God is sheer nonsense,' Joseph [Stalin] said. "`What book is that?' I enquired. "`Darwin. You must read it,' Joseph impressed on me" E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin (Moscow: Foreign Languages Publishing house, 1940), pp. 8-12.

Every time a connection is made between Darwin and communism, the secular world cries foul. They become indignant that someone has dared to make this connection. The same protest is made when the Theory of Evolution is associated with the Holocaust. Even though the connections between these two groups, the purges of communism and the final solution of fascism are irrefutable, evolution scientists and secular humanist professors refuse to admit this connection publicly and the protest vehemently any time this connection is made.

[Amo]

https://www.bereanpublishers.com/evolutions-fatal-fruit-how-darwins-tree-of-life-brought-death-to-millions/

"Evolution's Fatal Fruit: How Darwin's Tree of Life Brought Death to Millions"

Tom DeRosa / March 5, 2020

Here are some quotes about evolution from "Evolution's Fatal Fruit:  How Darwin's Tree of Life Brought Death to Millions" by Tom DeRosa (Coral Ridge Ministries, 2006).

The following quotes are from the Foreword:

"Evolution 'liberates' man to do as he wishes — and to whom he chooses. Charles Darwin understood this. He wrote in his "Autobiography" that one who rejects God 'can have for his rule of life, as far as I can see, only to follow those impulses and instincts which are the strongest or which seem to him the best ones." (p. 7)

"It was Darwin's theory — carried to its logical conclusion — that led to the dead of some 11 million people at the hands of German Nazis. Hitler was a devout evolutionist. He instructed his troops in evolution and had them provided with books by Darwin and Friedrich Nietzsche." (p. 8)  "Hitler tried to speed up evolution — to help it along. 'The German Fuhrer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist,'

British evolutionist Sir Arthur Keith wrote in the 1940s. 'He has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.' And millions suffered and died in unspeakable manners because of it. Keith also said in his book, 'Evolution and Ethics,' that 'The leader of Germany is an evolutionist not only in theory, but, as millions know to their cost, in the rigor of its practice.'" (pp. 8-9)

Marx, the founder of communism, found in evolution exactly what he needed: a pseudo-scientific foundation for his godless worldview.  Marx wrote Friedrich Engels that Darwin's 'Origin' "is the book which contains the basis in natural history for our view." (p. 9)

"Communist henchman Josef Stalin became an atheist as a young man, while reading Darwin in seminary." (p. 9)

[4WD]

As far as what is disgusting, let us contemplate such for a moment.

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

And of course, you would assign that to anyone who disagrees with your interpretation.   That is one of the things the RCC used in the conduct of the Inquisitions in medieval times. And that is what is disgusting.

[Amo]

And of course, you would assign that to anyone who disagrees with your interpretation.   That is one of the things the RCC used in the conduct of the Inquisitions in medieval times. And that is what is disgusting.

My interpretation involves believing what the texts under examination simply state, which many other scriptures simply state and back up as well. Your interpretation involves believing that which neither the texts themselves state or express in any way shape or form, or scripture itself in its entirety states or suggests anywhere. I am not the one introducing foreign and extra biblical idea's. The theory of evolution simply exists nowhere in scripture at all. The only way to make it exist, is to add to the word of God, that which simply is not there. We can of course go back and forth over these same points endlessly, as we have for many years now. By our words we shall either be justified, or condemned. So be it, as God wills. Let us both consider well, as all Christians certainly should, what the fruits of that which we preach, actually are.

Mat 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. 34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. 35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. 36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

What are the fruits of either the theory of Creation Scientists, or the theory of Evolutionary Scientists? This should be and is an important issue, is it not? Perhaps you can teach me something, about the benefits Godward, of the theory of evolution. How does this truth as you see it, enhance and better enable the gospel of Jesus Christ to go forward?