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Drug Lobbys seem to be working with the FDA

Started by Rella, Thu Feb 13, 2020 - 08:11:46

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Rella

DID you know...?

There exists an FDA-approved drug product of the drug you are importing.  We have the Personal Importation Policy (PIP), which is NOT intended to permit personal importations of cheaper-versions of US-approved drugs. However, there may be something missing in your response which may meet the conditions of our Personal Importation Policy.

DID you know ...?

That if talking to an FDA agent regarding a "seized" legal drug, and if you explain to them it is about the cost on a very, very fixed income.... they do not care.


DID you know...?

That stopping taking a drug you cannot afford to purchase in the US seems to be the preferable route to them?


Texas Conservative

Quote from: Rella on Thu Feb 13, 2020 - 08:11:46
DID you know...?

There exists an FDA-approved drug product of the drug you are importing.  We have the Personal Importation Policy (PIP), which is NOT intended to permit personal importations of cheaper-versions of US-approved drugs. However, there may be something missing in your response which may meet the conditions of our Personal Importation Policy.

DID you know ...?

That if talking to an FDA agent regarding a "seized" legal drug, and if you explain to them it is about the cost on a very, very fixed income.... they do not care.


DID you know...?

That stopping taking a drug you cannot afford to purchase in the US seems to be the preferable route to them?

Did you know?

That there can be risks in importing these drugs?  They may be counterfeit and cause medical problems.

Did you know?

These cheaper drugs are cheaper because the United States citizens are footing the bill for this.

Rella

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Thu Feb 13, 2020 - 08:20:45
Did you know?

That there can be risks in importing these drugs?  They may be counterfeit and cause medical problems.

Did you know?

These cheaper drugs are cheaper because the United States citizens are footing the bill for this.

Did you know ?

The Canadian Government negotiates lower prices for the drugs.

Did you know  ?

That you can take a script over the border and walk into a drug store and purchase the exact same medicine that Alan and others would take?

Did you know?

That several states, including FL are now working to import drugs from Canada?

Did you know ?

That the only diffrence between a drug that Glaxo Smith Kline makes for the US and for Canada is that in the US
we can get a 90 day supply and in Canada we get an 84 day supply, for anywhere from 25% less to, in the case of Pradaza, US has you pay through insurance  $450.00 fr a 3 month supply yet the one Drug Store in Canada, that you can walk into,
only charges $180.00.

Did you know ?

That not all drugs are cheaper in Canada.

Did you know ?

That using Canadian drug stores for 4 year and your blood work show no harm, that they really are not out to kill you up there.

Did you know?

One drug, purchased here, Carvedilol 12.5MG 90mday supply on Aug 20, 2019 cost $32.36

YET

This same drug, purchased here, on Dec 3, 2019 now cost $47.35   roughly a 50% increase.

I will risk what I need to do to purchase my drugs from Canada if I so desire.

Texas Conservative

Quote from: Rella on Thu Feb 13, 2020 - 10:41:45
Did you know ?

The Canadian Government negotiates lower prices for the drugs.

Did you know  ?

That you can take a script over the border and walk into a drug store and purchase the exact same medicine that Alan and others would take?

Did you know?

That several states, including FL are now working to import drugs from Canada?

Did you know ?

That the only diffrence between a drug that Glaxo Smith Kline makes for the US and for Canada is that in the US
we can get a 90 day supply and in Canada we get an 84 day supply, for anywhere from 25% less to, in the case of Pradaza, US has you pay through insurance  $450.00 fr a 3 month supply yet the one Drug Store in Canada, that you can walk into,
only charges $180.00.

Did you know ?

That not all drugs are cheaper in Canada.

Did you know ?

That using Canadian drug stores for 4 year and your blood work show no harm, that they really are not out to kill you up there.

Did you know?

One drug, purchased here, Carvedilol 12.5MG 90mday supply on Aug 20, 2019 cost $32.36

YET

This same drug, purchased here, on Dec 3, 2019 now cost $47.35   roughly a 50% increase.

I will risk what I need to do to purchase my drugs from Canada if I so desire.

Did you know, you are wrong?  The Canadian government does not negotiate.  They strong arm the drug companies and the US citizens foot the bill for it.  Europe does the same thing.  You want innovation, and drugs to treat new disorders, pay the price.

You should be aware.

And, in a recent review of more than 100 online pharmacies that claim to be shipping drugs from Canada, NABP found that most appear to actually source the drugs they sell from countries known to sell many counterfeit or adulterated drugs, such as India.

Read the rest here:

https://www.consumerreports.org/drug-prices/cheaper-meds-from-canada/

Rella

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Thu Feb 13, 2020 - 10:49:07
Did you know, you are wrong?  The Canadian government does not negotiate.  They strong arm the drug companies and the US citizens foot the bill for it.  Europe does the same thing.  You want innovation, and drugs to treat new disorders, pay the price.

You should be aware.

And, in a recent review of more than 100 online pharmacies that claim to be shipping drugs from Canada, NABP found that most appear to actually source the drugs they sell from countries known to sell many counterfeit or adulterated drugs, such as India.

Read the rest here:

https://www.consumerreports.org/drug-prices/cheaper-meds-from-canada/

I do not care.

I also do not want new medicines to replace those that have always worked in the past. How many ED drugs do YOU actually need?

There used to be a med called Lomotil that was phenominal for "Montezzuma's Revenge"

Now they bounce you all over the place from one "new" one to the other and none are as good.

As to the Govt strong arming the drug companies.... at least someone up there has them and until DT no one here did. We all have to do what we have to do.

The lobbyists are stopping any drastic help our congress could do. McConnell was handed a bill from the House and is just sitting on it. Why is that?

Your day is coming when you will need help for something. I pray you never have to do what so many of us do.


Texas Conservative

Quote from: Rella on Thu Feb 13, 2020 - 16:16:57
I do not care.

I also do not want new medicines to replace those that have always worked in the past. How many ED drugs do YOU actually need?

There used to be a med called Lomotil that was phenominal for "Montezzuma's Revenge"

Now they bounce you all over the place from one "new" one to the other and none are as good.

As to the Govt strong arming the drug companies.... at least someone up there has them and until DT no one here did. We all have to do what we have to do.

The lobbyists are stopping any drastic help our congress could do. McConnell was handed a bill from the House and is just sitting on it. Why is that?

Your day is coming when you will need help for something. I pray you never have to do what so many of us do.

Your argument doesn't sound like it comes from Donald.  He is a capitalist.  Your argument is from Bernie Sanders.

Alan

What happened to Canada Drugs?


That's the question on everyone's mind in the Canadian pharmacy world. What happened to Canada Drugs? What's with the image that's in place when you type in their website URL now? In short, CanadaDrugs.com had to turn over their domain to the United States government and effectively shut down their operations after a batch of counterfeit cancer drugs made their way into the supply chain of a company affiliated with Canada Drugs. This may sound shocking and appalling and outrageous, but keep reading. It's important to know the full story and get all of the facts.
In December of 2017, according to CBC News, "The president of Canada Drugs, the Winnipeg-based online pharmacy accused of selling misbranded and counterfeit drugs in the United States, has had his licence to practice pharmacy in Manitoba suspended [though he got it back days later]. ... The suspension came the same day news broke that Canada Drugs and related businesses — credited with starting the online drug sales industry — have reached a tentative plea agreement in the United States, which requires a guilty plea and millions of dollars in fines for allegedly selling counterfeit cancer drugs over the border."
The online pharmacy verification checker tool that we use, PharmacyChecker.com, also issued a statement on the situation as they see it. This tool is a trusted source that consumers can use to find the best drug prices out there from verified online pharmacies they can trust. PharmacyChecker.com helps to provide peace of mind and helps people make smart choices with pharmacies that have been checked and verified by an outside source.
PharmacyChecker.com explains the situation this way:
"CanadaDrugs.com was verified in the PharmacyChecker Verification Program from 2005 until March of this year. Last month, CanadaDrugs.com withdrew from our program. CanadaDrugs.com will be closing its website and no longer selling medications to Americans beginning June 13th, 2018.
This is the unfortunate outcome of a case that did not involve medication sales through the CanadaDrugs.com website, which has been safely selling medication at low cost to Americans for many years. The case involved a separate wholesale business conducted by the owners of the website. Sadly, two counterfeit batches of the cancer medication, Avastin, entered the supply chain of that wholesale business in 2011 and were sold to medical offices in the United States. Avastin was never sold on the CanadaDrugs.com website.
In a plea bargain signed on April 13th with the U.S. Department of Justice, the owners of CanadaDrugs.com are forfeiting the website www.CanadaDrugs.com and other websites they operate to the U.S. government. The FDA recognizes that there is no urgency to shutting down CanadaDrugs.com, giving them 90 days to wind down their international retail pharmacy business. To that effect, they are informing their patients and website visitors that they are closing on July 13th, 2018. For more information, please read our blog post.
This case does not apply to all Canadian online pharmacies, just CanadaDrugs.com and other websites it may operate. For future medication orders, you can consult our list of current PharmacyChecker verified international online pharmacies."
Good news: CanadaDrugsOnline.com is on that list!
So, in other words, even though CanadaDrugs.com did not actually sell a counterfeit cancer drug to some unsuspecting patient who ordered it online, an associated company of theirs did end up providing a counterfeit version of Avastin to a medical office, thereby establishing enough of a reason to the U.S. government to force the online pharmacy to cease operations. While it seems obvious that any entity selling a counterfeit cancer drug would be shut down, it's important to add a little context to the case.
Though dangerous, counterfeit drugs making it into the supply chain isn't as uncommon as you might think. In fact, it has even happened to a brand you likely know, trust, and frequent. Trusted household name CVS Pharmacy faced a somewhat similar situation once, when both CVS stores and the website CVS.com were found to be selling fake Lipitor. What did the FDA do about this occurrence when it happened? Well, one thing they did not do was force CVS.com to turn over their domain. As you can see if you head to the CVS website right now, the pharmacy giant did not have to forfeit their domain to the U.S. government when they were found to be selling counterfeit drugs. So why was CanadaDrugs.com held to a different standard?
Of course it's necessary (and even preferred) for the US government or the FDA to interfere and help to ensure that they stop the spread of illegal or counterfeit medications from being distributed to people. That's something we fully support because we care about the safety and efficacy of all medications we distribute. However, it would make more sense to treat this online Canadian pharmacy the same way they treated pharmacy giant CVS. What's worse, Big Pharma and the greedy corporate pharmaceutical industry are using this Canada Drugs situation as a scare tactic to discourage people from seeking low cost, safe, and effective alternatives to the name brand, expensive medications that they can buy in big box stores like CVS.
So, why does this all matter? How important is the accessibility of low cost alternatives to life saving prescription drugs? Well, in short, sometimes it's a matter of life and death. Did you know that millions of Americans don't fill their prescriptions due to the cost of whatever drug it is that they need? This is a sad and unfortunate reality, and we firmly believe that it's not the way things should be. In the words of one former Canada Drugs customer, "I have been getting three scripts from Canada Drugs that I could not afford here in Texas. One is an inhaler that I need for asthma. It costs me $157 per month here in Texas and $157 for three months in Canada. Big pharm is killing us that are on Social Security." Another former customer shares, "I have Crohn's disease for which I take Asacol (mesalamine 800 mg) six times per day. The cost from say Drugs.com is about $995 for 180 pills. From Canada Drugs it is (was) $190." Stories like theirs perfectly represent why we're passionate about helping people fill their prescriptions at an affordable rate and with medications and service they can rely on.

Rella

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Thu Feb 13, 2020 - 16:37:14
Your argument doesn't sound like it comes from Donald.  He is a capitalist.  Your argument is from Bernie Sanders.

Look, if you can afford top dollar for your meds. Wonderful.  I cannot.

There is a new eye drop my mom's ophthalmologist ::reading:: wants her to try to control pressure in the eyes.

Her Humana Medicare Part D that she pays $68 a month for , because of complicated drugs she is on, and they charge $425 a year deductible... DO NOT COVER THIS ONE.

So the drug store told us she would have to pay out of pocket.  $748.00.

It cannot be ordered in Canada because it requires refrigeration until it is used.

Her Ophthalmologist is trying to see if Humana will cover to get the cost down some on this as of their suggested 3  alternative drops she has used 2 of and the eye pressure is just not staying as low as desired.
It caused her to have lasering done on one eye last Oct, and  if we cannot keep it down to 18 or under, and not the 30 that it was for the lasering then only alternative is  lasering...( there is a limit)...or losing eyesight.

So wanting to be able to get this med at a cheaper rate makes me like Bernie?

That is just idiotic.




Rella

Quote from: Alan on Thu Feb 13, 2020 - 16:51:36
What happened to Canada Drugs?


That's the question on everyone's mind in the Canadian pharmacy world. What happened to Canada Drugs? What's with the image that's in place when you type in their website URL now? In short, CanadaDrugs.com had to turn over their domain to the United States government and effectively shut down their operations after a batch of counterfeit cancer drugs made their way into the supply chain of a company affiliated with Canada Drugs. This may sound shocking and appalling and outrageous, but keep reading. It's important to know the full story and get all of the facts.
In December of 2017, according to CBC News, "The president of Canada Drugs, the Winnipeg-based online pharmacy accused of selling misbranded and counterfeit drugs in the United States, has had his licence to practice pharmacy in Manitoba suspended [though he got it back days later]. ... The suspension came the same day news broke that Canada Drugs and related businesses — credited with starting the online drug sales industry — have reached a tentative plea agreement in the United States, which requires a guilty plea and millions of dollars in fines for allegedly selling counterfeit cancer drugs over the border."
The online pharmacy verification checker tool that we use, PharmacyChecker.com, also issued a statement on the situation as they see it. This tool is a trusted source that consumers can use to find the best drug prices out there from verified online pharmacies they can trust. PharmacyChecker.com helps to provide peace of mind and helps people make smart choices with pharmacies that have been checked and verified by an outside source.
PharmacyChecker.com explains the situation this way:
"CanadaDrugs.com was verified in the PharmacyChecker Verification Program from 2005 until March of this year. Last month, CanadaDrugs.com withdrew from our program. CanadaDrugs.com will be closing its website and no longer selling medications to Americans beginning June 13th, 2018.
This is the unfortunate outcome of a case that did not involve medication sales through the CanadaDrugs.com website, which has been safely selling medication at low cost to Americans for many years. The case involved a separate wholesale business conducted by the owners of the website. Sadly, two counterfeit batches of the cancer medication, Avastin, entered the supply chain of that wholesale business in 2011 and were sold to medical offices in the United States. Avastin was never sold on the CanadaDrugs.com website.
In a plea bargain signed on April 13th with the U.S. Department of Justice, the owners of CanadaDrugs.com are forfeiting the website www.CanadaDrugs.com and other websites they operate to the U.S. government. The FDA recognizes that there is no urgency to shutting down CanadaDrugs.com, giving them 90 days to wind down their international retail pharmacy business. To that effect, they are informing their patients and website visitors that they are closing on July 13th, 2018. For more information, please read our blog post.
This case does not apply to all Canadian online pharmacies, just CanadaDrugs.com and other websites it may operate. For future medication orders, you can consult our list of current PharmacyChecker verified international online pharmacies."
Good news: CanadaDrugsOnline.com is on that list!
So, in other words, even though CanadaDrugs.com did not actually sell a counterfeit cancer drug to some unsuspecting patient who ordered it online, an associated company of theirs did end up providing a counterfeit version of Avastin to a medical office, thereby establishing enough of a reason to the U.S. government to force the online pharmacy to cease operations. While it seems obvious that any entity selling a counterfeit cancer drug would be shut down, it's important to add a little context to the case.
Though dangerous, counterfeit drugs making it into the supply chain isn't as uncommon as you might think. In fact, it has even happened to a brand you likely know, trust, and frequent. Trusted household name CVS Pharmacy faced a somewhat similar situation once, when both CVS stores and the website CVS.com were found to be selling fake Lipitor. What did the FDA do about this occurrence when it happened? Well, one thing they did not do was force CVS.com to turn over their domain. As you can see if you head to the CVS website right now, the pharmacy giant did not have to forfeit their domain to the U.S. government when they were found to be selling counterfeit drugs. So why was CanadaDrugs.com held to a different standard?
Of course it's necessary (and even preferred) for the US government or the FDA to interfere and help to ensure that they stop the spread of illegal or counterfeit medications from being distributed to people. That's something we fully support because we care about the safety and efficacy of all medications we distribute. However, it would make more sense to treat this online Canadian pharmacy the same way they treated pharmacy giant CVS. What's worse, Big Pharma and the greedy corporate pharmaceutical industry are using this Canada Drugs situation as a scare tactic to discourage people from seeking low cost, safe, and effective alternatives to the name brand, expensive medications that they can buy in big box stores like CVS.
So, why does this all matter? How important is the accessibility of low cost alternatives to life saving prescription drugs? Well, in short, sometimes it's a matter of life and death. Did you know that millions of Americans don't fill their prescriptions due to the cost of whatever drug it is that they need? This is a sad and unfortunate reality, and we firmly believe that it's not the way things should be. In the words of one former Canada Drugs customer, "I have been getting three scripts from Canada Drugs that I could not afford here in Texas. One is an inhaler that I need for asthma. It costs me $157 per month here in Texas and $157 for three months in Canada. Big pharm is killing us that are on Social Security." Another former customer shares, "I have Crohn's disease for which I take Asacol (mesalamine 800 mg) six times per day. The cost from say Drugs.com is about $995 for 180 pills. From Canada Drugs it is (was) $190." Stories like theirs perfectly represent why we're passionate about helping people fill their prescriptions at an affordable rate and with medications and service they can rely on.

Thanks Alan,

I was familiar with the Canada Drugs plight.

Others might find it interesting that the  prices are all over the board in Canada. If you are going to do this you need to get a list of stores in Canada and then check each of their websites for pricing. It is possible you would use 2 different drug stores for 2 different meds.  Pharmacy Checker lists some, but a search will net more.

Also,now, just like US drug stores...many now will fax your doc for refill info saving you needing to get it for them.

I was not familiar with the CVS end of things. CVS, who carries my Prescription part D is miserable cause they charge more if you do not go to a CVS pharmacy...and I do not. Every fall I look to change, but that $425 deductible stops me cause I do not need to pay that with my CVS plan on Tier 1 or 2 drugs.

The Barbarian

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Quote from: Rella on Thu Feb 13, 2020 - 10:41:45
Did you know ?

The Canadian Government negotiates lower prices for the drugs.

The prescription drug law passed and signed by George W. Bush forbids the Federal government from negotiating with drug companies for prices of drugs the government purchases.

Score one for the lobbyists.



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