Complaint against a moderator

[AVZ2]

I have checked this site and there appears to be no segment where a user can uphold a moderator against the rules, and ask him to account for his actions if he (appears to) violate the board rules.
I suppose this segment of the board is used for that purpose.

This is a Christian forum, and one of the purposes as claimed, is to grant Christians a place where they can post their opinions.
The rules and regulations of this board do NOT mention that a member:
- may not criticize a public political figure
- must declare his country of residence to the other members.

Yet my account was muted for those exact same reasons: "For criticizing our President (Donald Trump) and for not letting members know where -he- lives".

As said above, there are no references in the regulations of this board that such are requirements.
By application therefore, the Moderator has overstepped his authority and he has let his political preference interfere with his judgment.

In addition, there are rules by which a moderator is to operate.
A user is warned of his violation of the rules.
The user is moderated, and after multiple warnings only, is muted.

In this case however there was no violation. The process of moderation was completely skipped and the user (me) was muted.

This is an absolute new low on this forum.
It appears that a Christian may come to this board and post his opinions, as long as there are not in disfavor of Donald Trump.

What I have seen in the past that one is allowed to criticize and disagree with the Apostles, the church, church fathers, Calvin, Luther, Pink, the Pope and other members and you may call them liars and false prophets.
You may also criticize public political figures like Hillary Clinton or Teresa May. You may call them evil and murderers.
Criticism of public figures has been an ongoing ingredient of the Political Forum and a number of moderators have actively participated.
Yet, as now has been made clear, the only thing one is not allowed to do is criticize Donald Trump.
If you do, you get muted.

How sad is it that a moderator, who resides in a country that wishes to defend and uphold the First Amendment, revokes that right from a member on this forum.
Has this forum become a bulwark of followers of Donald Trump, and does this board principally condone many opinions regarding Christianity and the execution of religion, but having an opinion of the US President overrules that principle?

I believe that moderators too should be held to account of their actions.
In this case it is very clear that there was no violation of the board rules, and the moderator abused his authority to cut of the member.
A moderator too is completely free to either ignore the opinions of a user if he does not like them, or even use the ignore function available on this board as to avoid having to read messages from that member.
I also believe that especially a moderator should exercise objective judgment even if his personal (political) opinions differ.

I do expect the disabling of my account to be revoked, however, if the members of this board prefer to unite in their faith whilst wallowing in glorification of Donald Trump, a clear signal is given that Christianity as it is executed on this forum is as equally intolerant of diverting opinions as many other religions that are being fervently rejected on this board.

*Note: I created this account to be able to post this message. My usual handle is AVZ.*

[mommydi]

Violation of rule 2.5-
You will not post in public any private correspondence (including contents of emails, PMs, IMs etc.) between yourself and another GCM member without the expressed permission of that member.
Violation of rule 2.6-
You will not publicly question a moderator's decision or accuse him/her of being biased or dishonest because of a decision. This will result in deletion of your post and possibly cause your account to be banned or suspended. Questioning of a moderator's decision may be done by sending
a polite private message to the moderator who made the decision or other moderators.

While we're at it, you're also guilty of violating rules pertaining to baiting, brinking, and flaming.

[Texas Conservative]

I have said negative things about Donald Trump on more than one occasion.  I have not been silenced.  But then again, I am not a coward who refuses to say where I am from and spends my time tearing apart a country I don't live in on top of it.

[mommydi]

I have said negative things about Donald Trump on more than one occasion.  I have not been silenced.  But then again, I am not a coward who refuses to say where I am from and spends my time tearing apart a country I don't live in on top of it.

+1

[Jaime]

AVZ, I have stated to you over and over, you are welcome to bash Trump or anything else about America, but you will NOT keep your country a secret, at least as long as I am here. We deserve the same opportunity to research your country and bash IT. Fair is fair. This all was YOUR option. If you wish to complain, send Admin a PM. If you would rather just participate, tell us what your country is. If you do, I will unmute you. Easy enough.

[Jaime]

Other Mods, please DO NOT remove this thread. If other members want to post their opinion, feel free to do so.

[Alan]

I'm certainly not a glorifier or fanboy of Trump although at the same time I can appreciate some of the things he has done. This isn't about liking him or disliking him, it's about the hit'n'run continual bashing that has taken place, the same reason crowcamp was moderated, because his displeasure with America's choice turned into a trolling session in a one way discussion. I believe AVZ was asked politely and then sternly to share some background, it may not be necessary on all of our boards but on the political board it should be fair to show some transparency if you want to be taken even the least bit serious.

BTW, we actually know where AVZ is from and we know who he is, rather than publicly disclose that information it would have been much more appropriate if he just revealed that himself.   

[Jaime]

Easy Peasy!

[chosenone]

There are those here who have consistently bashed my country and leaders, no one cares about that though.

[Texas Conservative]

There are those here who have consistently bashed my country and leaders, no one cares about that though.

Consistently?  Yeah right.  I have lobbed criticisms against your country, just like you have against our country.  I didn't hide where I am from.  You didn't hide where you are from.

Get over it.

[Jaime]

Chosenone, your country was never a secret. You and anyone else are free to bash Trump or the USA, as long as everyone else is given a shot at your country and they have.

No one should be given cover to criticize other people's countrIes unless their own country is revealed for fair game criticisms.

When you criticize our country or leader, you typically get something in return criticizing your country. Two way street is preferable, don't you think? If someone from Austria bashes the UK, I would stand by you to also find something to fairly counter punch Austria about, ESPECIALLY if they refused to reveal that they were from Austria and denied you the equal opportunity to research and criticize Something about their country.

[mommydi]

Chosen, you know good and well you like it when Rella and I start discussing that soap opera y'all have going on within the Royal Family! You've joined in on more than one occasion. 

And to this day, I still think Charles is a cad for what he did to Diana!!!





With her-

[Alan]

By the way Judy, old news now but looks like Meghan and Harry did indeed move to the USA despite the remaining presence of bad orange man.

[chosenone]

By the way Judy, old news now but looks like Meghan and Harry did indeed move to the USA despite the remaining presence of bad orange man.

Yes, after saying they never would.

[chosenone]

Chosenone, your country was never a secret. You and anyone else is free to bash Trump or the USA, as long as everyone else is given a shot at your country and they have.

No one should be given cover to criticize other people's country unless their own country is revealed for fair game criticisms.

When you criticize our country or leader, you typically get something in return criticizing your country. Two way street is preferable, don't you think? If someone from Austria bashes the UK, I would stand by you to also find something to fairly counter punch Austria about.

Some here do it just for the sake of it. That's why I stopped reading their posts or responding to them some time back. Much more sensible.
We can all have opinions and disagree about things, but to do it purely to get at others or goad others is very immature and that has happened many times in the past. That one of the reasons I generally stay out of 'bashing' threads and have done for some time.

[mommydi]

Some here do it just for the sake of it. That's why I stopped reading their posts or responding to them some time back. Much more sensible.
We can all have opinions and disagree about things, but to do it purely to get at others or goad others is very immature and that has happened many times in the past. That one of the reasons I generally stay out of 'bashing' threads and have done for some time.

Violation of rule 7.2-

You may not post holier-than-thou comments, and display an attitude of hypocritical moral superiority when referring to other members in the forum. 

[Rella]

I have checked this site and there appears to be no segment where a user can uphold a moderator against the rules, and ask him to account for his actions if he (appears to) violate the board rules.
I suppose this segment of the board is used for that purpose.

This is a Christian forum, and one of the purposes as claimed, is to grant Christians a place where they can post their opinions.
The rules and regulations of this board do NOT mention that a member:
- may not criticize a public political figure
- must declare his country of residence to the other members.

Yet my account was muted for those exact same reasons: "For criticizing our President (Donald Trump) and for not letting members know where -he- lives".

As said above, there are no references in the regulations of this board that such are requirements.
By application therefore, the Moderator has overstepped his authority and he has let his political preference interfere with his judgment.

In addition, there are rules by which a moderator is to operate.
A user is warned of his violation of the rules.
The user is moderated, and after multiple warnings only, is muted.

In this case however there was no violation. The process of moderation was completely skipped and the user (me) was muted.

This is an absolute new low on this forum.
It appears that a Christian may come to this board and post his opinions, as long as there are not in disfavor of Donald Trump.

What I have seen in the past that one is allowed to criticize and disagree with the Apostles, the church, church fathers, Calvin, Luther, Pink, the Pope and other members and you may call them liars and false prophets.
You may also criticize public political figures like Hillary Clinton or Teresa May. You may call them evil and murderers.
Criticism of public figures has been an ongoing ingredient of the Political Forum and a number of moderators have actively participated.
Yet, as now has been made clear, the only thing one is not allowed to do is criticize Donald Trump.
If you do, you get muted.

How sad is it that a moderator, who resides in a country that wishes to defend and uphold the First Amendment, revokes that right from a member on this forum.
Has this forum become a bulwark of followers of Donald Trump, and does this board principally condone many opinions regarding Christianity and the execution of religion, but having an opinion of the US President overrules that principle?

I believe that moderators too should be held to account of their actions.
In this case it is very clear that there was no violation of the board rules, and the moderator abused his authority to cut of the member.
A moderator too is completely free to either ignore the opinions of a user if he does not like them, or even use the ignore function available on this board as to avoid having to read messages from that member.
I also believe that especially a moderator should exercise objective judgment even if his personal (political) opinions differ.

I do expect the disabling of my account to be revoked, however, if the members of this board prefer to unite in their faith whilst wallowing in glorification of Donald Trump, a clear signal is given that Christianity as it is executed on this forum is as equally intolerant of diverting opinions as many other religions that are being fervently rejected on this board.

*Note: I created this account to be able to post this message. My usual handle is AVZ.*

Back to OP.

Has no one caught this???

" For criticizing our President (Donald Trump) "  Our?  OUR?

[Jaime]

Chosenone, I don't presume I know people's motives, but if being "goaded" is repulsive, I would say you might ought to stay away as you have threatened many times to do. It may well be a British thing to turn one's nose up at a goader, but I have always perceived the British to be able and willing to handle themselves well in these type interactions. Being goaded or goading is an American passtime. Our media is quite good at it! And our President and the opposition party  is as well.

[mommydi]

Back to OP.

Has no one caught this???

" For criticizing our President (Donald Trump) "  Our?  OUR?

Well, actually, Rella, I think AVZ was just quoting the message sent to him from a moderator. I don't think AVZ was claiming Trump as his president.

[Rella]

Well, actually, Rella, I think AVZ was just quoting the message sent to him from a moderator. I don't think AVZ was claiming Trump as his president.

Right. That makes sense.
Thanks.

[chosenone]

Chosenone, I don't presume I know people's motives, but if being "goaded" is repulsive, I would say you might ought to stay away as you have threatened many times to do. It may well be a British thing to turn one's nose up at a goader, but I have always perceived the British to be able and willing to handle themselves well in these type interactions. Being goaded or goading is an American passtime. Our media is quite good at it! And our President and the opposition party  is as well.

I stay for reasons that I wont go into here, but yes I can handle myself and did for many years, but one day just knew that it was pointless answering or standing up for myself against some folk who weren't going to change and tended to 'gang up' like school children. I think the key moment came when one of the nicest, sweetest and most godly people I have ever known was driven away from here by this manipulating and immature gang mentality. A sad day. Lost my enthusiasm for this site that day, as she had no support apart from myself. 

Goading may be an American thing but should it be a Christian thing? People are free to goad (if they REALLY think that is a godly way to behave), just as others are free not to take the bait. I chose not to take the bait and get into a pointless silly argument. For now I feel God wants me around here albeit for limited amounts of time. Life in our house is mega busy right now and will be for a long time,  so I am not here for long when I can come. I am not going to let the gang drive me away as it did others.

[mommydi]

I stay for reasons that I wont go into here, but yes I can handle myself and did for many years, but one day just knew that it was pointless answering or standing up for myself against some folk who weren't going to change and tended to 'gang up' like school children. I think the key moment came when one of the nicest and most godly people I have ever known was driven away by from here by this manipulating and immature gang mentality. A sad day. Lost my enthusiasm for this site that day, as she had no support apart from myself. 

Goading may be an American thing but should it be a Christian thing?

Chosen, there are varying personality types here - just as there are at all other message boards. However, message boards, such as this one, are going the way of dinosaurs. It has always been lively here. I've been here off and on since January of 2005, and there have always been rowdy conversations and heated arguments along with some more quiet conversations, prayerful moments, and a great deal of humor - both out right, boisterous laughter and more subtle, mischievous grins. And can I say, in all the years I've been here, I've never witnessed you joining in on any of the light-hearted, fun loving thread - which to me is sad. Do you ever laugh or join in any type light-hearted convos? Do you want to? Some people laugh, love, and communicate boldly, while others are more subdued, sensitive, and retiring. Neither personality types are wrong/bad - even though you keep referring to the more vocal and bold members as "ungodly."
You see people here who have a stronger, bold personality as "childish" and "sad." I see people who can never laugh or be light-hearted as "sad."
And while I'm at it-
When you insult someone's country, leader, customs, or whatever, please stop calling them "rude" when they answer back. 

[Rella]

I stay for reasons that I wont go into here, but yes I can handle myself and did for many years, but one day just knew that it was pointless answering or standing up for myself against some folk who weren't going to change and tended to 'gang up' like school children. I think the key moment came when one of the nicest, sweetest and most godly people I have ever known was driven away from here by this manipulating and immature gang mentality. A sad day. Lost my enthusiasm for this site that day, as she had no support apart from myself. 

Goading may be an American thing but should it be a Christian thing? People are free to goad (if they REALLY think that is a godly way to behave), just as others are free not to take the bait. I chose not to take the bait and get into a pointless silly argument. For now I feel God wants me around here albeit for limited amounts of time. Life in our house is mega busy right now and will be for a long time,  so I am not here for long when I can come. I am not going to let the gang drive me away as it did others.

As one of the gang I need make a comment.

When someone comes bashing the candidate and President of another country it sure does not make a good citizen to stand by and take it on the chin when the accuser's own politicians and heads of the country were not better. And was demonstrated here a mere few days back.

We did not start the goading.... that was started by someone... hmmm I wonder who.... who said "What horrible man."

We will always stand up for our country.

As to you other comment about

" one of the nicest, sweetest and most godly people I have ever known was driven away from " will be left unnamed, but everyone from back then knows who are are referring to.

I suggest you follow him on twitter. Same user name. And definitely Not a godly person. Enough said.

[Jaime]

I HOPE Chosenone was referring to a female poster that left a while back.

[Rella]

I HOPE Chosenone was referring to a female poster that left a while back.

I remember that one also. But the gang as she refers to me and the others were not so had to be another gang?

[Carey]

I stay for reasons that I wont go into here, but yes I can handle myself and did for many years, but one day just knew that it was pointless answering or standing up for myself against some folk who weren't going to change and tended to 'gang up' like school children. I think the key moment came when one of the nicest, sweetest and most godly people I have ever known was driven away from here by this manipulating and immature gang mentality. A sad day. Lost my enthusiasm for this site that day, as she had no support apart from myself. 

Goading may be an American thing but should it be a Christian thing? People are free to goad (if they REALLY think that is a godly way to behave), just as others are free not to take the bait. I chose not to take the bait and get into a pointless silly argument. For now I feel God wants me around here albeit for limited amounts of time. Life in our house is mega busy right now and will be for a long time,  so I am not here for long when I can come. I am not going to let the gang drive me away as it did others.

I think He does also. 

There is a concept called grace, it is a most powerful tool, often it is the only option to deescalate a situation.  Unfortunately it can also be seen as unfair/unjust, if someone bashes my PM, surely I should bash their leader, fair is fair right.    As a Christian, some things may seem unfair, everyone else can sleep around, lie, and cheat, yet we are held to a higher standard.  As far as I can tell, Christianity discourages the two wrongs make a right philosophy,  we are to swallow our pride, turn the other cheek, apply grace generously,

AVZ, I have stated to you over and over, you are welcome to bash Trump or anything else about America, but you will NOT keep your country a secret, at least as long as I am here. We deserve the same opportunity to research your country and bash IT. Fair is fair. This all was YOUR option. If you wish to complain, send Admin a PM. If you would rather just participate, tell us what your country is. If you do, I will unmute you. Easy enough.

Personally, criticism not withstanding, "bashing" another's country should be condemned or ignored, therefore I would certainly not endorse a tit for tat rebuttal, and frankly I see it as contrary to the Christian teachings of grace.

As for valid criticism, if the location of the poster is not relevant to the discussion, it is not relevant to the discussion, and demanding a person reveal it so one can criticize his/her country, may seem fair, but is it consistent with the teachings of Christianity?  No longer do we demand an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth,  Jesus seems to contradict this fair is fair philosophy.   

Perhaps AVZ has a very good reason not to disclose his location.  I have a friend that had a serious issue on another forum, without getting into it too deeply all he revealed was his country, but some folks went through years of posts for clues, and threats were made and pictures of his home and work  posted. These were not images from Streetview, these were pictures somebody took.  He is unlikely to ever reveal details about his location again, and rightly so.

I am not suggesting anyone here would do such a thing, but y'all are not the only folks reading this stuff.

I do think AVZ should tone down his criticism of Trump, for his own sake, it harms his credibility and I do think he has made some very good points, that are simply lost due to his rhetoric.

Anyway, probably upset enough of y'all for now.

Please consider my arguments, it is not an attempt to condemn or judge, it is simply how I feel.

And Judy, you are truly a warrior, on the day of judgment God will look upon you and say,  You are my daughter, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.

Cheers Y'all, and be safe.
Carey.

[chosenone]

I think He does also. 

There is a concept called grace, it is a most powerful tool, often it is the only option to deescalate a situation.  Unfortunately it can also be seen as unfair/unjust, if someone bashes my PM, surely I should bash their leader, fair is fair right.    As a Christian, some things may seem unfair, everyone else can sleep around, lie, and cheat, yet we are held to a higher standard.  As far as I can tell, Christianity discourages the two wrongs make a right philosophy,  we are to swallow our pride, turn the other cheek, apply grace generously,

Personally, criticism not withstanding, "bashing" another's country should be condemned or ignored, therefore I would certainly not endorse a tit for tat rebuttal, and frankly I see it as contrary to the Christian teachings of grace.

As for valid criticism, if the location of the poster is not relevant to the discussion, it is not relevant to the discussion, and demanding a person reveal it so one can criticize his/her country, may seem fair, but is it consistent with the teachings of Christianity?  No longer do we demand an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth,  Jesus seems to contradict this fair is fair philosophy.   

Perhaps AVZ has a very good reason not to disclose his location.  I have a friend that had a serious issue on another forum, without getting into it too deeply all he revealed was his country, but some folks went through years of posts for clues, and threats were made and pictures of his home and work  posted. These were not images from Streetview, these were pictures somebody took.  He is unlikely to ever reveal details about his location again, and rightly so.

I am not suggesting anyone here would do such a thing, but y'all are not the only folks reading this stuff.

I do think AVZ should tone down his criticism of Trump, for his own sake, it harms his credibility and I do think he has made some very good points, that are simply lost due to his rhetoric.

Anyway, probably upset enough of y'all for now.

Please consider my arguments, it is not an attempt to condemn or judge, it is simply how I feel.

And Judy, you are truly a warrior, on the day of judgment God will look upon you and say,  You are my daughter, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.

Cheers Y'all, and be safe.
Carey.

Thank you Carey, you have confirmed a word that someone else gave me a while back.
You are always such a breath of fresh air and have a lot of wisdom, its those like you who keep me here.
God Bless

[Jaime]

Carey, bashing was only a term I used to describe pointing out faults. No one needs to bash for bashing sake, BUT a spirited discussion about the comparative faults of a couple of countries or their leaders is anything but unChristian. Can it BECOME unChristian? Sure. I am only wanting to promote fairness among the participants. If someone points out a weakness they perceive in America, I or anyone else should have the opportunity to research the other country and point out its weaknesses.  Nothing unChristian about that. Can it TURN INTO vindictiveness? Yes. But I think for the most part we do a pretty good job of preventing that. Not perfectly, but pretty good. About the same as one would find in our theology forum. Again, don't get too wound up about the word bash. People from different countries have different connotations of the same word. One can see pointing out weaknesses, the other sees total personal destruction. Bashing is a hugely subjective term and I should have chosen a better term. Anyone who wants to criticize my country should fairly reveal their country and allow me to research and calmly criticize it or it's leader. "Calmly" is another hugely subjective word. My wife and I differ greatly on what that word means. I usually go with her interpretation!

Back to people's perception of words, we knew a couple from Austrailia, and one day she asked my wife at church if she had a rubber with her. My wife was aghast at the question, especially in church but our Austrailian friend was referring to an ERASER! Not a colloquialism for a condom. Crisis averted. My wife revived pretty quickly.

Again as to AVZ, I'm pretty surr we could converse for hours and not need each other's location. It only becomes relevant when one criticizes the other's country or leader. It's not unChristian to have a spirited debate of the plusses and minuses of each other's country or leader. When someone indicates orange man bad, it is not unChristian to disagree or to point out faults with their leader that may be just as repulsive. Most of the time, it boils down to we supposedly worship Trump and that is horse hockey, to put it diplomatically.

[Jaime]

Also Carey, we don't need want AVZ's GPS Coordinates, address or zip code. Just his country. I even told him once if he is concerned about persecution from his government or countrymen we can do something else. That got no response. In my western mind fairness should override pretty much everything. Being unfair Is being unChristian. I asked for fairness on his part multiple times in this regard. It was not one and done. This is why I asked for this thread NOT to be deleted or moved. I want to FAIRLY address everyone's concerns. That is also why I encouraged AVZ and others to PM Admin about the situation. Someone or everyone PLEASE do that! I appreciate everyone's input. Notice I am capable of calm dispute and not just unhinged lashing out (bashing to some) If there are any others that would like to weigh in, let 'er rip........not literally mind you!  (not so veiled humor BTW for the non West Texans).

[Carey]

Jaime, I appreciate your openness, and explanation.

But I have seen what I would define as bashing, it goes beyond criticism and becomes personal.  Name calling, using derogatory terms to describe your POTUS, even seen "Trump Virus" used a few times.  Not necessarily here, I am active on two forums and sometimes it is hard to separate the two in my memory, I am not attributing these to AVZ.
What it comes down to is respect for the office, criticism is entirely appropriate, but some of the things I have seen are not. 

That said, I am going to have to disagree with you on the desire to know a members location,  I still maintain that if the location of a poster is not relevant to his argument, it should not be demanded, and simply wanting the same opportunity to discuss their country is not a valid reason to make such a demand.  I think turn the other cheek is absolutely applicable here.   That said, I accept that you see things differently. And understand, when you and I disagree I do see grace in your responses to me, thanks for that.

And please know, I laboured over my comments as applying to Christianity.  I did my best to present my feelings on the matter as inoffensively as possible, if I came across as judgmental I am sorry, but I believe it was more important to be honest in my perception of this than worry about stepping on a few toes.

Anyway, thanks you for leaving this thread open and letting me share my thoughts on the matter.

Stay safe brother,
Carey.

[RB]

AVZ is a godly man and loves the scriptures. I may not agree with his political views and other points, (and I truly do not know them) yet he's a brother and should be loved by me and others as well. His location is his right to keep private even his nation if he so desires, I see no problem with that, also I see no reason why he should withhold it, but who cares, what difference does it really mean, other than some may not like what he's doing? One reason I kinda stay free of some threads is for this very reason. I'm NOT taking sides, just giving my own thoughts on this~this is NOT about taking sides but what is right and godly.

I agree with what Carey wrote who is more qualified than myself to speak on such issues since he's MUCH MORE gentle of a person than myself, for I do get fired up very quickly at times and have to ask forgiveness later. I do not think I need to convince others of this.

[mommydi]

AVZ 100% trolls the political forum. There is no question about that at all. He's been warned by the mods to tone down his trolling of the political forum - but yet no - he refuses.

And excuse me, but where is his outpouring of grace in the political forum? Even after he's been warned, he keeps on trolling, trolling, trolling.
And it's not just a "Trump" thing. His disdain for everything USA permeates his posts. Where is his grace and mercy toward his brothers and sisters in the US??

[Jaime]

I agree Mommydi. Red, I am more than happy to un-mute AVZ if he plays fair and allows others the opportunity to point out faults in HIS country. Fairness does make a difference ABSOLUTELY! Red, I have probably disagreed more with few people here more than you, and I ALWAYS consider you fair and I hope you do me. I have offered AVZ an out if he feels he would be oppressed or persecuted by someone, his countrymen or others, no response. There is NO reason to not be fair and offer that bit of information. We are not trying ro pinpoint him for a cruise missile strike. His disagreement with me or his dislike of Trump is  not the issue. Godly is as Godly DOES and being and acting fairly IS The demonstration of Godliness.

Carey, how in the name of Waylon Jennings is AVZs location NOT relevant when criticizing someone else's country? The other party deserves the basic fairness in knowing what country to research and compare and offer counter  criticisms in return. If that is stifled, all we have is just pointless, malicious one sided trolling. It's akin to keeping men out of women's forums and vice versa. It's only fair.

[Rella]

AVZ 100% trolls the political forum. There is no question about that at all. He's been warned by the mods to tone down his trolling of the political forum - but yet no - he refuses.

And excuse me, but where is his outpouring of grace in the political forum? Even after he's been warned, he keeps on trolling, trolling, trolling.
And it's not just a "Trump" thing. His disdain for everything USA permeates his posts. Where is his grace and mercy toward his brothers and sisters in the US??

Thank you for saying this in a far more gentle way then I would have.

+1

[Rella]

Chosen, you know good and well you like it when Rella and I start discussing that soap opera y'all have going on within the Royal Family! You've joined in on more than one occasion. 

And to this day, I still think Charles is a cad for what he did to Diana!!!





With her-

Beyond me how he could have selected that face over her legs