WHAT GOSPEL WAS PAUL PREACHING ?

[dan p]

 And  what  Gospel  was Paul  PREACHING during  his  ministry ?

#1 DID  Paul  preach  God's  Gospel  in  Rom  1:1 ?

#2 Or , preach the  MYSTERY of the  Gospel in  Rom  16:25 ?

#3 Or  was it the  GOSPEL  of  the  UNCIRCUMCISION  in  Gal 2:7 ?

#4  Or  was  it  the  preaching of KINGDOM of  HEAVEN  ,  in  Matt  10:7 ?

#5 Or  was it the  EVERLASTING  GOSPEL ,   in  Rev  14:6 ?

#6  Or  was it the GOSPEL of  ATONEMENT , in  Gen 3:21 ?

What  GOSPEL  was  Peter  preaching ,  in  Gal 2:14  and Peter  was  COMPELING  Gentiles to ADOPT  Jewish  customs and  rites and  preaching  CIRCUMCISION in  Gal  2:7 !

Looks like Peter  and  Pauls  message  are  different !!

dan p

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

Paul was preaching THE gospel. 

Peter and Paul agree, even if some of us have a hard time understanding Paul.

[RB]

And what Gospel was Paul PREACHING during his ministry?

#1 DID Paul preach God's Gospel in Rom  1:1?

He did~he preached free justification by the obedience and righteousness of Jesus Christ alone as the means of God justifying sinners.

#2 Or, preach the MYSTERY of the Gospel in  Rom  16:25?

Part of the gospel Paul preached which was first preached to Abraham, including the Gentiles, which to Abraham's natural seed was a mystery hidden in the scriptures and still is to many, at least in part, because many do not see that the ISRAEL OF GOD is both Jews and Gentiles being one body in Christ Jesus. The Jewish people are not the children of God, or the true Israel of God~the children of God's promises both Jews and Gentiles are the true people of God, the apple of his holy eyes. God will bless those who bless them and will curse those who cursed them!

#3 Or was it the  GOSPEL of  the  UNCIRCUMCISION in Gal 2:7?

Dan, there's only one gospel preached to the circumcision and the uncircumcision per Galatians chapter one. I can expand on this later, not now.

#4  Or was it the preaching of KINGDOM of HEAVEN,  in  Matt  10:7 #6, Or was it the GOSPEL of ATONEMENT, in  Gen 3:21?

Again the same gospel!

What  GOSPEL  was Peter preaching,  in  Gal 2:14  and Peter was  COMPELLING  Gentiles to ADOPT  Jewish customs and rites and preaching  CIRCUMCISION in  Gal  2:7!

Peter, did not preach a different gospel, he just was not CONSISTENCE in maintaining his first love. He was being moved away by false brethren who wanted to ADD their own works as a means of God accepting them!

Looks like Peter and Paul's message are different !!

It may seem to look as though they were, but it was Peter who allowed himself to leave FREE JUSTIFICATION and allow false brethren to persuade him AGAINST FREE JUSTIFICATION by the faith of Jesus Christ. Just as many will not accept this message in our day.

[dan p]

  And  you  believe that  UNCIRCUMCISION , that  Paul  preached , and that  CIRCUMCISION   that  Peter  preached are nthe  SAME  GOSPEL ??

ESPECIALLY , since  Gal 2:14 says  that  Peter  was  COMPELLING the GENTILES  to  ADOPT  JEWISH  CUSTOMS and  RITES ?

REALLY ??

dan p

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

  And  you  believe that  UNCIRCUMCISION , that  Paul  preached , and that  CIRCUMCISION   that  Peter  preached are nthe  SAME  GOSPEL ??

ESPECIALLY , since  Gal 2:14 says  that  Peter  was  COMPELLING the GENTILES  to  ADOPT  JEWISH  CUSTOMS and  RITES ?

REALLY ??

dan p

Really.  Paul and Peter both explain THE gospel, and while they use slightly different metaphors, it's the same message:

For Peter, we are stones that together build up the temple, in which Christ lives.

For Paul, we are all members that together comprise the Body, of which Christ is the head.

Can you not see these are the same thing?

[dan p]

  And  I  believe what  Paul  wrote in 1  Cor 3:16  Don't  you  know that  we are  GOD'S  TEMPLE and  that the SPIRIT of  God   DWELLS  in  you ??

And  verse  17 reads , If  anyone  CORRUPTS  the  TEMPLE OF  God ,  God  will  RUIN THIS  ONE ,  for  the  inner  TEMPLE of  God  is  holy  ,  which  you  are ?

WE  are  the TEMPLE of  GOD ,  PERIOD !!

And  Israel  will  have there  TEMPLE  in the MILLEUMIAN  KINGDOM  and will be  KINGS  and  PRIESTS , Rev 1:6 !!

dan p

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

  And  I  believe what  Paul  wrote in 1  Cor 3:16  Don't  you  know that  we are  GOD'S  TEMPLE and  that the SPIRIT of  God   DWELLS  in  you ??

And  verse  17 reads , If  anyone  CORRUPTS  the  TEMPLE OF  God ,  God  will  RUIN THIS  ONE ,  for  the  inner  TEMPLE of  God  is  holy  ,  which  you  are ?

WE  are  the TEMPLE of  GOD ,  PERIOD !!

And  Israel  will  have there  TEMPLE  in the MILLEUMIAN  KINGDOM  and will be  KINGS  and  PRIESTS , Rev 1:6 !!

dan p

See?  That's the gospel - God in us, the kingdom within.  The same from one end of the New Testament to the other.

[RB]

And  you  believe that  UNCIRCUMCISION , that  Paul  preached , and that  CIRCUMCISION   that  Peter  preached are nthe  SAME  GOSPEL ??

ESPECIALLY, since  Gal 2:14 says that  Peter was COMPELLING the GENTILES  to  ADOPT  JEWISH  CUSTOMS and  RITES?

REALLY ??

dan p
 

Dan, uncircumcision, and circumcision, are not two gospels but two different groups of people living in the world at that time.

And yes, the apostles all preached the one and same gospel of free justification through Christ alone.  Any other message is cursed by the God of heaven.

Galatians 1:7-9~"Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."

Paul, stood fast in the gospel of the grace of God, while Peter allowed himself to let some false brethren trouble his spirit for a short period of time until Paul rebuked him before all. Even Barnabas, Paul's companion, was somewhat moved by them but less than Peter was. 

[dan p]

 If  Peter  and  Paul  PREACHED  the  same  Gospel , HOW  was  Peter  saved ?

Or  how  was  Paul  saved ?

And if  there is  ONLY  one  Gospel  ,  How  was  Adam  saved ?

dan p

[Texas Conservative]

If  Peter  and  Paul  PREACHED  the  same  Gospel , HOW  was  Peter  saved ?

Or  how  was  Paul  saved ?

And if  there is  ONLY  one  Gospel  ,  How  was  Adam  saved ?

dan p

Paul and Peter preached the same gospel.  Peter was saved by faith in Christ, same as Paul. 

[DaveW]

And if  there is  ONLY  one  Gospel  ,  How  was  Adam  saved ?

According to the church I grew up in - he was not saved.  No one was before the NT. 
Everyone mentioned in the OT (according to their theology) was burning in hell for eternity.

[DaveW]

If  Peter  and  Paul  PREACHED  the  same  Gospel , HOW  was  Peter  saved ?
Or  how  was  Paul  saved ?

That depends to a LARGE PART on how you define what the gospel is. 

Peter and Paul were both Jews.  They were saved the same way - upgrading their Mosaic covenant with God to the New Covenant. 

[dan p]

  So  gave a  verse  THAT  I  missed as to  how  Peter  was  saved ?

dan p

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

So  gave a  verse  THAT  I  missed as to  how  Peter  was  saved ?

It isn't necessary for the event to be recorded in Scripture for it to have happened.

(Although there are several passage that suggest it.)

[DaveW]

It isn't necessary for the event to be recorded in Scripture for it to have happened.
(Although there are several passage that suggest it.)

I knew a pastor once that made a doctrine out of Jesus only sleeping once in His entire 3.5 year ministry (in the boat) since there was no other record of it happening.   Preach all day and pray all night.

[RB]

So gave a verse THAT I missed as to how Peter was saved?

dan p
 

Dan, every child of God is saved from sin and the condemnation of God's holy law in the same manner.........by two immutable acts of God...his oath and promises of grace to elect seed of Jesus Christ. Saved in the very same manner in which God promised Abraham a seed....Read your Bible............Galatians 4:21-31; Hebrews 6:13-18 May God open your eyes as you read and ponder his word.

[dan p]

 And  Peter was  preaching  a  GOSPEL , called   WHAT ??  Acts 2:38 to  be  BAPTIZED  for the  FORGIVENESS  of  SINS and  what  SINS  did  they  commit ??

And  what  gospel  did  Paul  preach , Eph 3:1-9  and  preached  the  MYSTERY ,  Rom 16:25  and  Col  1:26  a  MYSTERY  that  was  kept  SECRET .

dan p

[Jaime]

The mystery that was that the Gentiles were to be fellow heirs and of the same body and partakers of the promises of Christ.

Same Gospel, just revealed to a broader group.

[dan p]

 And you mean that  Paul  and  Peter  preached  the  same  GOSPEL ?

Do  you  have  a  verse where  they  PREACHED , the  same  Gospel ?

dan p

[DaveW]

And you mean that  Paul  and  Peter  preached  the  same  GOSPEL ?
Do  you  have  a  verse where  they  PREACHED , the  same  Gospel ?

1 Timothy 6:3
If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness, 4 he is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions,

Did Paul ever say that of Peter?

[dan p]

And  Paul  wrote  1  Tim 6:3  was writing  to the  Body of  Christ  and  NOT  to  Peter  or to  Israel .

Paul's  message was by  not by  man nor  was  I  taught it but by  revelation of  Jesus  Christ .

In Gal 2:14  was  teaching and  compelling  Gentiles to ADOPT  Jewish  Customs and RITES

and that means Peter  and  Paul had  DIFFERENT  MESSAGES , pure  and  simple .

dan p

[Jaime]

Their gospels were the same. Paul encountered some people that were requiring people to be ome Jewish first. Peter didn't require cornelius to do any of that. He did say, how can we deny this one the water who receive the Spirit as we did, (at Pentecost (for a particular reason). Paul baptized the Jailer and his family. Paul wasn't averse to baptism, he just didn't want people to have a reliance on or be loyal to HIM personally for those he baptized. He was a celebrity in those circles at that time. People were unnecessarily glorifying the ones baptizing them. It wasn't that baptism had somehow disappeared.

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

I knew a pastor once that made a doctrine out of Jesus only sleeping once in His entire 3.5 year ministry (in the boat) since there was no other record of it happening.   Preach all day and pray all night.

Did anybody call him on it?

[dan p]

 And  in  1  Cor 1:17  ,  it  reads , For  Christ did  NOT / OV   ,  send me  to  BAPTIZE .


  The  Greek  word  NOT / OV  is a  DISJUNCATIVE  PARICIPLE  NEGATIVE  and means  that Paul  never  BAPTIZED  anyone one , how will you  EXPLAIN  THAT ?

Why  Paul  could  NEVER  WATER  BAPTIZE  ,  LEST / ME  is  also a  DISJUNCATIVE  PARTICIPLE  NEGATIVE THAT  Paul  could  not  BAPTIZE ,

Can  anyone  EXPLAIN  away , That  Christ  did  not  send to  BAPTIZE  , in  1  Cor 1:17 ??

dan p

[Jaime]

1Cor 1:14-16
14 I (Paul) thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.

16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

Dan, please pay attention. This has been pointed out to you clearly multiple times. AND THESE VERSES SAY W H Y He was reluctant to personally baptize many. Can we put this nonsense to bed?

He baptized some, but minimized that because those being baptized glorified him instead of whose name they were baptized into This is elementary Dan.

In the words of Joe Biden, "Come on man!"

Also, the preaching is important. ANYONE can do the Baptizing. It doesn't have to be the preacher. It hardly ever is the preacher in my church, but he preaches most every Sunday. Why would you presume the preacher does all the Baptizing? Do you think Peter baptized all 3000 in Acts 2? Why would he have had to?

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

Can  anyone  EXPLAIN  away , That  Christ  did  not  send to  BAPTIZE  , in  1  Cor 1:17 ??

dan p

Yes. 

Christ sent him for another purpose - to evangelize as an apostle.  That is not a prohibition on baptizing.  He was empowered to do WHATEVER he needed to accomplish the good work.  Including, occasionally, baptizing.

Honestly, look at Jaime's post.  It's extremely simple and clear proof that Paul did baptize.

Jarrod

[yogi bear]

And you mean that  Paul  and  Peter  preached  the  same  GOSPEL ?

Do  you  have  a  verse where  they  PREACHED , the  same  Gospel ?

Act 2 Is where Peter first preached the complete gospel please read the chapter it is where the complete Gospel of Christ was first preached the same as is to be preached today

Paul echoes that same gospel
1 cor 1;17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.


Romans 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for he who has died is freed from sin.

The same teaching of the cross Peter taught in Acts 2 the gospel of Christ is the death burial and ressurrection all gospel teachers taught the gospel of Christ the same no matter which one was teaching form Acts 2 through out the new testement

[yogi bear]

I answered within your post I copied and pasted changing my reply to blue for clarification on who was saying what

And  Peter was  preaching  a  GOSPEL , called   WHAT ??  Acts 2:38  Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. To  be  BAPTIZED  for the  FORGIVENESS  of  SINS and  what  SINS  did  they  commit ?? Sin is defined in God's word as a transgression of the law so the answer would clearly be a transgression of the law correct isn't it elementary?

And  what  gospel  did  Paul  preach , Eph 3:1-9 1 For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for the sake of you Gentiles— 2 if indeed you have heard of the stewardship of God's grace which was given to me for you; 3 that by revelation there was made known to me the mystery, as I wrote before in brief. 4 By referring to this, when you read you can understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5 which in other generations was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed to His holy apostles and prophets in the Spirit; 6 to be specific, that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel, 7 of which I was made a minister, according to the gift of God's grace which was given to me according to the working of His power. 8 To me, the very least of all saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unfathomable riches of Christ, 9 and to bring to light what is the administration of the mystery which for ages has been hidden in God who created all things; and  preached  the  MYSTERY ,  Rom 16:25 
Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery which has been kept secret for long ages past,and  27 tCol  1:26 26 that is, the mystery which has been hidden from the past ages and generations, but has now been manifested to His saints, 27 to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. 28 We proclaim Him, admonishing every man and teaching every man with all wisdom, so that we may present every man complete in Christ. 29 For this purpose also I labor, striving according to His power, which mightily works within me. a  MYSTERY  that  was  kept  SECRET .

Notice I added the verses you reference so we can read them and in the Colossians verse added more context so we can see the full meaning.

The mystery gospel as you try to call it is the same gospel of Christ thar Peter taught it was a mystery in the fact that it was not reveiled to us gentiles the same time it was givin  the Jews but now we are called by the same gospel both Jew and gentilr and that isn made clear in Acts 10 Please read Acts 10 so I don't have go copy and paste


And you mean that  Paul  and  Peter  preached  the  same  GOSPEL ? Yes a hundred times yes the word of God clearly teaches this

[dan p]

And  in  1  Cor 15:3  was  ONLY  written  by  Paul  and  NOT  by  Peter !!

dan p

[yogi bear]

INcorrect that was Peters messagem in Acts 2 as well as all other to preach the gospel of Christ for that is the gospel of Christ

[RB]

a  MYSTERY  that  was  kept  SECRET .

Greeting Yogi, "long time no see"~ as the old Indian would say. Yogi what you quoted in yellow you kept secret from us~unable to make it out.

[Jaime]

Yes, good to see you posting again Yogi! Hang around this time!

[yogi bear]

Red sorry my choice of colors made it difficult to read I changed the yellow to red to make it more readable hope that helps.

Greetings to you as well my brother.

Greetings to you as well brother Jaime I get caught up in raising the chickens and don't get on here much but will try to make more time to drop in.

[dan p]

And in  Matt  10:5  Jesus  sent 12 forth , and  COMMANDED them ,  saying ,  Go not  into  the way  of  the  Gentiles and  into  the  city  of  the  Samaritans  ENTER  YE  NOT .

Notice  that there 2  Greek words  NOT / ME  and they are  called  DISJUNCATIVE  PARTICILE  NEGATIVES  and that  means DO  NOT  ENTER THOSE  CITIES ,  EVERRRRRRRRRRRRR.

Verse  6  says  to rather  to the  lost  sheep of  Israel .

Verse 7  , And  go  ,  PREACH ,  saying   The  KINGDOM of  HEAVEN  is  at  hand

Verse 8  Heal  the  sick , cleanse  the  LEPER ,  Raise the  DEAD and did they do  that  preaching , NO , so when  did the  12  disciples  STOP ?

dan p

[Reformer]

dan p:

No offence, but it is hard to make heads or tails by and of your method of writing.

Buff