Its clear in the Bible, you do not go to Heaven or to Hell, when you die..

[Hobie]

Why are you bringing the trinitarian debate here, we already have a thread for that? I've already addressed and proved your false witness above about human and ape hybrids to be untrue in posts long ago. I'll dig them up eventually and reveal your true character and intent.

Misdirection and distraction seems to be part of his modus operandi..

[Hobie]

The state of the dead is one of the issues Satan has brought much confusion especially from pagan Greek thought and the Egyptian view of the dead..

[Rella]

The state of the dead is one of the issues Satan has brought much confusion especially from pagan Greek thought and the Egyptian view of the dead..

All I know for certain is that when we die our spirits go back to God who gave them... Eccl12:7.

If you dont believe this take it up with God who inspired the writing of His Holy word.

[Amo]

All I know for certain is that when we die our spirits go back to God who gave them... Eccl12:7.

If you dont believe this take it up with God who inspired the writing of His Holy word.

Yes, and the same author in the same book also said -

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. 7 Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works. 8 Let thy garments be always white; and let thy head lack no ointment. 9 Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou takest under the sun. 10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

[garee]

All I know for certain is that when we die our spirits go back to God who gave them... Eccl12:7.

If you dont believe this take it up with God who inspired the writing of His Holy word.

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

All I know for certain is that when we die our spirits go back to God who gave them... Eccl12:7.

If you dont believe this take it up with God who inspired the writing of His Holy word.

Am I allowed to look at the verse directly after this one?  The one where Solomon says that everything he's saying is worthless...

Ecc 12:8 Vanity of vanities, says the Preacher; all is vanity.

[4WD]

Am I allowed to look at the verse directly after this one?  The one where Solomon says that everything he's saying is worthless...

Ecc 12:8 Vanity of vanities, says the Preacher; all is vanity.

I don't think verse 8 is saying that everything he's saying is worthless. The epilogue of Ecclesiastes 12:9-14 really says just the opposite, speaking of himself in the third person as "The Preacher".

[garee]

Am I allowed to look at the verse directly after this one?  The one where Solomon says that everything he's saying is worthless...

Ecc 12:8 Vanity of vanities, says the Preacher; all is vanity.

Two words .Preacher teacher Believer can preach Christ teaches.

 Vanity says the preacher. Blessing says the teachings of Christ

1 Corinthian 3:6-8 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

1Corinthian  4: 6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.

Ecclesiastes 12: 10 The preacher sought to find out acceptable words: and that which was written was upright, even words of truth.

[Hobie]

All I know for certain is that when we die our spirits go back to God who gave them... Eccl12:7.

If you dont believe this take it up with God who inspired the writing of His Holy word.

So the wicked go to God, no, that is not what the Bible teaches. It is the breath, what animates our life, not our consciousness that goes back, as if God took your life while here on earth same thing, its how they said back in that time.

[Rella]

Your spirit is not your soul. Your spirit is the part of you that communicates with God, not your rotten flesh. Your soul does not go back to God when you die... NO MATTER how they mess up many verses in the bible.

Matt 10:28 say " And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."  That is not the spirit because the spirit serves a different purpose.

The Bible says that man consists of three component parts: body, soul and spirit. Man is a triune being because he is created in the image of God (Genesis 1:26-27), who Himself is a Trinity.

The view that man is made of three parts is called "trichotomy." But there is an idea also that prevails largely today that man consists of only two component parts: namely, body and soul/spirit (dichotomy). They say that "spirit" is not a separate part of man, but simply another term for "soul", and that both.

Now if you want to argue that you see the spirit and soul as the same... then explain Heb 4:12 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

[Amo]

Your spirit is not your soul. Your spirit is the part of you that communicates with God, not your rotten flesh. Your soul does not go back to God when you die... NO MATTER how they mess up many verses in the bible.

Matt 10:28 say " And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."  That is not the spirit because the spirit serves a different purpose.

The Bible says that man consists of three component parts: body, soul and spirit. Man is a triune being because he is created in the image of God (Genesis 1:26-27), who Himself is a Trinity.

The view that man is made of three parts is called "trichotomy." But there is an idea also that prevails largely today that man consists of only two component parts: namely, body and soul/spirit (dichotomy). They say that "spirit" is not a separate part of man, but simply another term for "soul", and that both.

Now if you want to argue that you see the spirit and soul as the same... then explain Heb 4:12 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

Body + Spirit = Soul

Irreducible Complexity.

Ezk 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.............................
20  The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

[Hobie]

Your spirit is not your soul. Your spirit is the part of you that communicates with God, not your rotten flesh. Your soul does not go back to God when you die... NO MATTER how they mess up many verses in the bible.

Matt 10:28 say " And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."  That is not the spirit because the spirit serves a different purpose.

The Bible says that man consists of three component parts: body, soul and spirit. Man is a triune being because he is created in the image of God (Genesis 1:26-27), who Himself is a Trinity.

The view that man is made of three parts is called "trichotomy." But there is an idea also that prevails largely today that man consists of only two component parts: namely, body and soul/spirit (dichotomy). They say that "spirit" is not a separate part of man, but simply another term for "soul", and that both.

Now if you want to argue that you see the spirit and soul as the same... then explain Heb 4:12 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

When the breath of life/spirit leaves the body, the soul dies, its thoughts are no more. Jesus wept because His close friend Lazarus had died, and had gone to the grave, not because he had gone to heaven. The only way to bring Lazarus back to life was to resurrect him, which He did. So it is with us, when Christ returns...

[Hobie]

First, it is you, not me, who is misreading. 

Gen 3:22  Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever--"therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden to work the ground from which he was taken (Gen 3:22-23).

Clearly the tree of life was in the garden before Adam sinned. It was after Adam sinned that God removed him from the Garden.  And God's stated purpose for removing Adam from the Garden was to prevent Adam from eating the fruit of the tree of live.  If Adam and Eve were initially created to live forever, there would have been no reason for God to put the tree of life in the Garden in the first place.  The physical is finite; it does not last forever.

Second, given that absolutely nothing of this physical universe was created to be eternal, and God declared it not just good but very good, man cannot come along later and declare it to be anything but perfect.  It says, "And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day" (Gen 1:31). God was speaking there of the entire creation, the entire universe and all that was in it.  It was all as God created it.  It was perfect.  God declared at each step along the six days of creation that "it was good".

And the idea that somehow the entire universe with all its biological inhabitants were changed as a result of Adam's sin is simply ludicrous.

We must remember that the tree of life will be restored to us in heaven, thus it will be as God intended...

[garee]

We must remember that the tree of life will be restored to us in heaven, thus it will be as God intended...

Born again believer are likened to green tree .It would seem the first ressurection--the born again spirit did restore the invisible tree of eternal . 

Christ in us the hope of glory awaiting a new body

[Hobie]

Born again believer are likened to green tree .It would seem the first ressurection--the born again spirit did restore the invisible tree of eternal . 

Christ in us the hope of glory awaiting a new body

Not sure what you are saying there. 'It would seems' is a bit far from 'it is written'....

[garee]

Not sure what you are saying there. 'It would seems' is a bit far from 'it is written'....

Sorry—Remember without parables signified prophecy-- Christ spoke not--- let me state it more plainly and stay closer to "it is written."

Scripture sometimes uses trees, grass, seed, vines, branches, and gardens as symbolic language for people, nations, life, or spiritual fruitfulness. That does not mean every tree in every passage is a symbol, but the Bible often uses creation imagery to teach spiritual truths.

For example: Deuteronomy 32 compares doctrine and speech to rain, dew, and showers bringing life to grass and herbs:

"My doctrine shall drop as the rain..."

This connects God's Word with nourishment and growth.

Mark 8:24 says:"I see men as trees, walking."

That is an explicit comparison of people to trees.

Genesis 3 describes Adam and Eve hiding among the trees of the garden. The plain reading is literal trees, though some readers also see layered symbolism in the garden narrative.

So the careful position is:

Yes, Scripture sometimes uses trees figuratively for people or kingdoms.

Yes, Mark 8 gives a direct example.

No, not every mention of trees automatically means people.

We should let each passage decide by context.