Something To Think About

[Reformer]

REFORMATION RUMBLINGS
BUFF SCOTT, JR.
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Something To Think About

    During the formative years of the Christian community, believers went to the lost. Today, we build elaborate edifices [idols] and expect those same people to come to us. We have turned this thing entirely around. We warm cushioned pews and pray that God will send the unsaved to our "worship services," when we should be making contact with them during our everyday walk with the Lord.

    Strangely, we even invite the unsaved to "come to church with us" to hear the greatest story ever told, when at the very moment we are issuing the invitation we are passing up an opportunity to share Jesus with them. This is ridiculously irrational! It is yet another symptom of  "mad church disease."

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A Quote & My Comment

    "Is not Paul clearly distinguishing between the two, that the 'resurrected' body is not a resuscitation or a refashioning of the natural body? Paul uses the sowing of a grain of wheat to make this clear. The grain that is sown (first body) is not the (second) body that shall be" [I Cor. 15:37].—Reader.

     But the same Paul says that when Jesus comes, "He will transform our lowly [physical] body to be like His glorious body" [Phil. 3:21). Furthermore, in the same 15th chapter of I Corinthians, verse 44, Paul affirms, "It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body."

    I understand this as a transformation of our current body, which will be re-shaped, made over, and changed into an exquisitely spiritual body. As to those who have been lost at sea, eaten by animals, or cremated, let us be certain that God is able to "recall" even those particles of dust and reform the body that once was prior to transforming it into a spiritual body.

[4WD]

Why would you attach the concept of any physical entity to a spiritual being?  Paul is telling you that in the resurrection at Jesus' return there will not be a physical anything.  Paul said it is not physical, it is spiritual. There will be no "dust particles" involved. 

John told us to "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world" (1 John 2:15). But, Buff, you seem to so love the world and the things that are in the world, that you want them to be revived eternally.  John went on in the very next verse to tell us that "all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." That natural body, the physical you, is the source of so much sin.  And you do not want to give any of that up.  And I think that is something to think about.

[Reformer]

4WD:

    Your physical entities will be transformed into spiritual entities. "He will transform our lowly [physical] body to be like His glorious body" [Phil. 3:21). At the time of transformation, "it is raised a spiritual body" [I Cor. 15:44].

Buff

[4WD]

So your view of a spiritual body is that it is really physical? It is just somehow changed in some way?  Interesting.  Does that spiritual body have teeth?  Why? Does it need to eat?  Does it digest what it eats?  Does it need to expend waste products?  Will we have toilet paper in heaven?  So many questions about your spiritual body.

[Reformer]

4WD:

    "So your view of a spiritual body is that it is really physical? It is just somehow changed in some way?"

    No, that's not what I mean at all. That's the way you interpret/translate my position. Your understanding on this issue is fragile.

Buff

[4WD]

Yes, I understand that my understanding on this issue is fragile.  That is because I don't really know and understand what a spiritual body is. I suspect that you don't either. I don't really know and understand even what my spirit is. And, again, I suspect that you don't either.  I know I have a spirit because God says so, but it certainly is not something visible to be seen.  And the spirit is not the body. And I know that a spiritual body is not composed of physical stuff because spiritual stuff is not physical.  God is Spirit; He is Spiritual; He is not physical.

So, yes, my understanding on this issue is fragile; but no more so than yours. If I am wrong about that, prove me wrong.  Please describe in some detail what a spiritual body is.  And please do not try to tell me it is like the body that Jesus came out of the tomb with.  John has told us that "Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is" (1 John 3:2).  We shall see him as he is, not how he was.

[Rella]

So your view of a spiritual body is that it is really physical? It is just somehow changed in some way?  Interesting.  Does that spiritual body have teeth?  Why? Does it need to eat?  Does it digest what it eats?  Does it need to expend waste products?  Will we have toilet paper in heaven?  So many questions about your spiritual body.

What do you think Jesus meant in Luke , Mark and Mathew when he said

Luke 22:15
"for I say to you, I shall never again eat it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God." nasb95

or

Mark 14:25
25 "Truly I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine again, until that day when I drink it, new, in the kingdom of God."

or

Mathew 26:29
29 But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it with you, new, in My Father's kingdom."

Guaranteed they would all be spirits then... "In their glorified new bodies"

So your view of a spiritual body is that it is really physical? It is just somehow changed in some way?  Interesting.  Does that spiritual body have teeth?  Why? Does it need to eat?  Does it digest what it eats?  Does it need to expend waste products?  Will we have toilet paper in heaven?  So many questions about your spiritual body.

What do you think Jesus meant in Luke , Mark and Mathew when he said

Luke 22:15
"for I say to you, I shall never again eat it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God." nasb95

or

Mark 14:25
25 "Truly I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine again, until that day when I drink it, new, in the kingdom of God."

or

Mathew 26:29
29 But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it with you, new, in My Father's kingdom."

Guaranteed they would all be spirits then... "In their glorified new bodies"

[Reformer]

4WD:

    Regarding your questions in Reply #5, a "spiritual body" is non-physical, non-earthly, non-tangible, non-materially. This includes angels, even though two appeared to Lot in Gomorrah, one to the mother of Jesus, and I could go on-and-on with additional angelic appearances who supernaturally took upon themselves the appearance of humanity—at God's discretion, of course. These physical-like appearances were for the purpose of communicating messages with those in the flesh.

    The writer of Hebrews says of angels, "Are they not all ministering spirits sent out to serve for the sake of those who are to inherit salvation?" [Heb. 1:14]. If you belong to God, His angels are ministering to you in some form or forms, although you are unable to see them with your naked eyes.

    I think you know, as well as I do, the physical and tangible did not exist until God created the Universe and Earth.  He did not create these entities from what was visible—that is, earthly or physical. Enough for now. Maybe more later.

Buff

   

[4WD]

What do you think Jesus meant in Luke , Mark and Mathew when he said

Luke 22:15
"for I say to you, I shall never again eat it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God." nasb95

or

Mark 14:25
25 "Truly I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine again, until that day when I drink it, new, in the kingdom of God."

or

Mathew 26:29
29 But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it with you, new, in My Father's kingdom."

Guaranteed they would all be spirits then... "In their glorified new bodies"

I consider such messages as metaphors, much like the description of the New Heaven and New Earth or the New Jerusalem of Revelation 21. All references to the conditions in heaven are presented metaphorically simply because we have no experiential basis for knowing and understanding the spiritual presence of heaven.  In looking at several commentaries for those passages, I found that most considered such expressions as metaphorical also.

We don't even really know what our consciences are, let alone our spirits.  And even more elusive is the whole spiritual realm of heaven.  All of that is really incomprehensible to the human mind.  And therefore it is always presented in terms of the physical nature of our existence.

[4WD]

I think you know, as well as I do, the physical and tangible did not exist until God created the Universe and Earth.  He did not create these entities from what was visible—that is, earthly or physical. Enough for now. Maybe more later.

And I do not believe the physical and tangible will exist after the first heaven and earth have passed away and Jesus returns with "His bride" the church.

And given what you just said here, what could you possibly have meant in your OP by

I understand this as a transformation of our current body, which will be re-shaped, made over, and changed into an exquisitely spiritual body. As to those who have been lost at sea, eaten by animals, or cremated, let us be certain that God is able to "recall" even those particles of dust and reform the body that once was prior to transforming it into a spiritual body.

Why would God need to "recall" the particles of dust and reform the body?  The spirits of the dead exist apart from those particles.  The first heaven and the first earth will have passed away.  There will be no dust particles to recall.

[Rella]

I consider such messages as metaphors, much like the description of the New Heaven and New Earth or the New Jerusalem of Revelation 21. All references to the conditions in heaven are presented metaphorically simply because we have no experiential basis for knowing and understanding the spiritual presence of heaven.  In looking at several commentaries for those passages, I found that most considered such expressions as metaphorical also.

We don't even really know what our consciences are, let alone our spirits.  And even more elusive is the whole spiritual realm of heaven.  All of that is really incomprehensible to the human mind.  And therefore it is always presented in terms of the physical nature of our existence.

And therefore it is always presented in terms of the physical nature of our existence.

So when Jesus appeared after the tomb he was just a vision... right???

Well, It is obvious you do not believe in the millenium for it will require some sort of body for 1000 years here.

Do you call this fake news?

Matthew 27:51-53 (NASB) And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom, and the earth shook; and the rocks were split, and the tombs were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many.

Rev 20:5 (NASB95)   The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.

All references to the conditions in heaven are presented metaphorically simply because we have no experiential basis for knowing and understanding the spiritual presence of heaven.

Simply because we have no experiential basis for knowing and understanding the spiritual presence of heaven

Poppycock. Whenever anything cannot be understood by the human mind then they label whatever they are reading as metaphorical. Instead of believing by faith that what they read is true based on the divine inspirations from God alone.

There is nothing complicated about this. But you are basing your beliefs on saying " because we have no experiential basis for knowing and understanding the spiritual presence of heaven''...

I could well remind you that those scientists and physicists studying the age of things, and the big bang vs expansion (still a lot of disagreement there) have no experiential basis for knowing what they assume. But them you believe

Well, for me I assume , in faith, that every word of the bible to be true except the parables Jesus used with the explanation in Math 13: 10-11

10 And the disciples came and said to Him, "Why do You speak to them in parables?"

11 Jesus answered them, "To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted.

He talked in parables and not metaphors... and when HE told John in Rev 1:11 saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea." Do you think that Jesus would have instructed John in such a way as  to confuse the churches with an account of things that states that one thing is another thing?

How can you for one minute believe that the message John was to send to the churches would have been done metaphorically in order to confuse the churches?  NO. Isn't it more likely that those in the churches at that time would have understood what was written?

Perhaps you cannot understand the book. But many have written commentaries on the meanings and I absolutely believe those who received this initially did understand.

[4WD]

And therefore it is always presented in terms of the physical nature of our existence.

Pretty much!!!!!!!!!!!

So when Jesus appeared after the tomb he was just a vision... right???

No, Jesus appeared in the physical body that He died in.  Life was returned to that physical body that died on the cross.

Well, It is obvious you do not believe in the millenium for it will require some sort of body for 1000 years here.

I believe in the millennium.  I believe we are living in the millennium now.

Do you call this fake news?

Matthew 27:51-53 (NASB) And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom, and the earth shook; and the rocks were split, and the tombs were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many.

Why would I call that fake news?

Rev 20:5 (NASB95)   The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.

As discussed many times before, I believe the first resurrection is that described in John 5:23-25.

Poppycock. Whenever anything cannot be understood by the human mind then they label whatever they are reading as metaphorical. Instead of believing by faith that what they read is true based on the divine inspirations from God alone.

The metaphorical is not in conflict with faith.  Most of Jesus' teaching that we have in the NT is metaphorical.

I could well remind you that those scientists and physicists studying the age of things, and the big bang vs expansion (still a lot of disagreement there) have no experiential basis for knowing what they assume. But them you believe

That is simply not true.  Science is the essence of the experiential basis for knowledge.

He talked in parables and not metaphors...

Parables are metaphors.

[Reformer]

4WD:

    "Why would God need to 'recall' the particles of dust and reform the body?  The spirits of the dead exist apart from those particles.  The first heaven and the first earth will have passed away.  There will be no dust particles to recall."

    Simply because this is precisely what the scriptures so strongly imply. Assuming you have been referencing the passages I have introduced, you must be of the same mind. If not, I cannot assist you.

Buff

[4WD]

Simply because this is precisely what the scriptures so strongly imply.

I am sure that is what you believe.  I do not.  I don't see any such implication.

[Reformer]

4WD:

    Inasmuch as you cannot see or comprehend the "implications" I see, I will send you a few questions tomorrow relating to this topic—if I can find the time.

Buff

[johntwayne]

Reformer back on his hobby horse again.

[Rella]

Re: Something To Think About
ReplyQuote from 4WD « Reply #11 on: Yesterday at 07:59:28 »

MY REPLIES BELOW ARE IN BLUE.

Quote from: Rella on Yesterday at 07:18:27
And therefore it is always presented in terms of the physical nature of our existence.

Pretty much!!!!!!!!!!!

So when Jesus appeared after the tomb he was just a vision... right???

No, Jesus appeared in the physical body that He died in.  Life was returned to that physical body that died on the cross.

For what possible purpose? Surely not so those who witnessed him after his resurrection would recognize him.

John 20:17 Jesus said to her, "Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to aMy brethren and say to them, 'I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.' " (Obviously Jesus was still mortal and possibly he did not want mortal contamination before his ascension? OR perhaps he wanted no earthly interference to his ascension? or he was transitioning from the spirit into a glorified body? It does not matter)

Yet:

John 20:14-16
14 When she had said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, and did not know that it was Jesus.

15 Jesus  said to her, "aWoman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?" Supposing Him to be the gardener, she  said to Him, "Sir, if you have carried Him away, tell me where you have laid Him, and I will take Him away."

16 Jesus  said to her, "Mary!" She turned and  said to Him in Hebrew, "Rabboni!" (which means, Teacher).

It was Jesus' voice and inflection she recognized and not his appearance.

Why did the disciples not recognize Jesus after his resurrection?

The disciples did not recognize Jesus after his resurrection because Jesus appeared in the form of different people.  For example, Mary Magdalene mistook him for a gardener...  seeJohn 20:11-18, he appeared to two disciples on the road to Emmaus as a fellow traveler... see Luke 24:13-21, and as a stranger on the shore of the Sea of Galilee to the disciples ... see John 21:1-13. In each of these cases, the disciples who saw the resurrected Jesus did not recognize him by his physical features, but by what he said and did.

Yet Jesus also appeared as himself after his resurrection.  Jesus appeared to Thomas with his wounds from the cross to prove to Thomas by sight that he was resurrected ...see John 20:26-29.  Jesus looked like himself as well when he appeared to the disciples before his ascension (Luke 24:36-51).  The disciples were able to touch him so that it proved to them that he was not a ghost or some type of vision.

The disciples learned two important lessons from these appearances after Jesus' resurrection.  First, by seeing Jesus again, the disciples knew he had actually been resurrected.  Second, by seeing Jesus take different forms or materialize as different people , they knew he was no longer the man Jesus, but now Jesus had changed into a spirit being.

Other scriptures show that Jesus is no longer an earthly man.  The scriptures say that "Now the Lord is that spirit" ...see 2 Corinthians 3:17 and refer to Jesus as "a quickening spirit" ... see 1 Corinthians 15:45.  After his resurrection, Jesus also demonstrated the ability to appear within a locked room among the believers ... see John 20:26-29 and disappear right in front of them ... see Luke 24:31.  This further demonstrated that Jesus was no longer an Earthly man but now with his resurrection changed into a spirit being.

A spirit being that would use a body for whatever the body would be needed for...

IOW... his dust particles were changed into a glorified body capable of change at His whim and even capable of  to appear within a locked room.

Well, It is obvious you do not believe in the millenium for it will require some sort of body for 1000 years here.

I believe in the millennium.  I believe we are living in the millennium now.

Will someone please tell me... and that would be you 4WD... for those that believe this imaginary stretch of the mind.... WHEN
did the 1000 years we are living in start?

Do you call this fake news?

Matthew 27:51-53 (NASB) And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom, and the earth shook; and the rocks were split, and the tombs were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many.

Why would I call that fake news?

Consistently you have been talking of the spirit , which departs the body to go back to God unpon death as not being a body.
And you said above "  "Why would God need to 'recall' the particles of dust and reform the body?  The spirits of the dead exist apart from those particles.  The first heaven and the first earth will have passed away.  There will be no dust particles to recall." 

I quoted  Matthew 27:51-53 "and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many"

That would have required your particles of dust to have happened.... I wont even go into Rev 20:  5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.

Other then to say that the rest of the dead were recalled.and needed their dust particles... for if it was only their spirits they already were were back with God who gave them.

Rev 20:5 (NASB95)   The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.

As discussed many times before, I believe the first resurrection is that described in John 5:23-25.

John 5: 23-25 states...

23 so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

24 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.


25 Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.

This is not in conflict... vs 25 says "when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live."

That is not the spirit... which is already alive and back with God it is the body, in the grave....

Poppycock. Whenever anything cannot be understood by the human mind then they label whatever they are reading as metaphorical. Instead of believing by faith that what they read is true based on the divine inspirations from God alone.

The metaphorical is not in conflict with faith.  Most of Jesus' teaching that we have in the NT is metaphorical.

Yes, he uses a lot of "figures of speech". Not going there right now.

I could well remind you that those scientists and physicists studying the age of things, and the big bang vs expansion (still a lot of disagreement there) have no experiential basis for knowing what they assume. But them you believe

That is simply not true.  Science is the essence of the experiential basis for knowledge.

So Fauci kept telling us..... and then has proved that his knowledge forced down our throats is false.

He talked in parables and not metaphors...

Parables are metaphors.

Ummm ... Not exactly.  Both parables and metaphors have hidden meanings. A parable is longer and uses a story to convey a deeper message. Metaphors are typically shorter and refer to one subject, while the actual subject is something else entirely.

[DaveW]

So your view of a spiritual body is that it is really physical? It is just somehow changed in some way?  Interesting.  Does that spiritual body have teeth?  Why?

Our Lord had a spiritual body after the resurrection.  He ate:

Luke 24:41
While they still could not believe it because of their joy and amazement, He said to them, "Have you anything here to eat?" 42 They gave Him a piece of a broiled fish; 43 and He took it and ate it before them.

Does it need to eat?

NEED? Probably not.  But clearly the ability is there.

[DaveW]

Yes, I understand that my understanding on this issue is fragile.  That is because I don't really know and understand what a spiritual body is. I suspect that you don't either. I don't really know and understand even what my spirit is. And, again, I suspect that you don't either.  I know I have a spirit because God says so, but it certainly is not something visible to be seen.  And the spirit is not the body. And I know that a spiritual body is not composed of physical stuff because spiritual stuff is not physical.  God is Spirit; He is Spiritual; He is not physical.

I suspect this HARD division between physical and spiritual as you seem to say here is not biblical per se, but is more rooted in Greek dualism.

BTW -  there are fruit trees in heaven. Fruit is meant to be eaten.  One example:

Rev 22:1
Then he showed me a river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of God and of the Lamb, 2 in the middle of its street. On either side of the river was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

[Reformer]

johntwayne:

"Reformer back on his hobby horse again."

I must have overlooked it, John, but what did you say the name of your hobby horse was/is?

Buff

[Texas Conservative]

The hobby horse is named "Edifices."   

[4WD]

Our Lord had a spiritual body after the resurrection. 

Where do you find that information?

[Rella]

author=4WD link=topic=112321.msg1055210892#msg1055210892 date=1678283134]
Where do you find that information?

Well ,what kind of a body would you need for you to do what Jesus did.... After his resurrection, Jesus also demonstrated the ability to appear within a locked room among the believers ..

And that is found in  John 20:26 [a]Eight days later His disciples were again inside, and Thomas was with them. Jesus came, the doors having been shut, and stood in their midst and said, "Peace be to you."

and disappear right in front of them ...

see Luke 24:28-31 28 And they approached the village where they were going, and He acted as though He were going farther. 29 But they urged Him, saying, "Stay with us, for it is getting toward evening, and the day is now nearly over." So He went in to stay with them. 30 When He had reclined at the table with them, He took the bread and blessed it, and breaking it, He began giving it to them. 31 Then their eyes were opened and they recognized Him; and He vanished from their sight.

These are not metaphors nor parables.... These should answer your question.

[4WD]

These are not metaphors nor parables.... These should answer your question.

No, those are not metaphors nor parables; those are just more of the many miracles that Jesus performed. 

[Reformer]

4WD:

Your Reply #23 is correct.

Buff

[DaveW]

Where do you find that information?

From the descriptions of His comings and goings between the resurrection and the ascension.  He could appear and disappear at will, walk into sealed rooms, etc. 

[Rella]

Yes, I understand that my understanding on this issue is fragile.  That is because I don't really know and understand what a spiritual body is. I suspect that you don't either. I don't really know and understand even what my spirit is. And, again, I suspect that you don't either.  I know I have a spirit because God says so, but it certainly is not something visible to be seen.  And the spirit is not the body. And I know that a spiritual body is not composed of physical stuff because spiritual stuff is not physical.  God is Spirit; He is Spiritual; He is not physical.

So, yes, my understanding on this issue is fragile; but no more so than yours. If I am wrong about that, prove me wrong.  Please describe in some detail what a spiritual body is.  And please do not try to tell me it is like the body that Jesus came out of the tomb with.  John has told us that "Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is" (1 John 3:2).  We shall see him as he is, not how he was.

4WD

Have no fear I am not trying to convince you of anything but I have quite a list of references regarding the spirit body and the human spirit. (sorry it took so long to respond::doh:: but time is not so quick wnen looking for things you know are there but cannot seems to find .)

Maybe something here will help you clarify for yourself....

The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia defines  Spiritual Body as The resurrection-body, a body fitted to the capacities and wants of the spirit in the celestial world; an organism conformed to the spiritual life at the resurrection (see 1 Corinthians 15:44). And 1 Cor 15:44 says....44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

What is the difference between the spiritual body in 1 Corinthians 15 and the physical body we now possess?

When Paul therefore says "For this mortal body must put on immortality." He's not saying "for this mortal body must be exchanged for an immortal body." He said, "No, this same body that is mortal now must put on immortality." That's what it is to have a spiritual body. It's a different condition, not a different body. It's spiritual not in the sense that it's no longer physical but in the sense that it's no longer subject to decay and death to temptation and sin to sorrow and suffering in other words will be just like Jesus.— Michael Horton

From Got Questions

Believers will be physically resurrected one day, just as Christ was, and we will spend eternity in an actual body. That is one of the main points of 1 Corinthians 15. In that chapter, Paul writes of a spiritual body: "So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body" (1 Corinthians 15:42&ndahs;44). The "spiritual body" here is contrasted with the "natural body."

Jesus was raised in a physical body, with "flesh and bones" (Luke 24:39). We will be raised like He was (Romans 6:5). The Lord, in His power, "will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body" (Philippians 3:21). These passages alone prove the bodily resurrection of the saints.

A difficulty comes in what Paul meant by a "spiritual" body in 1 Corinthians 15:44. The term spiritual body seems to be an oxymoron. A basic point to be made, based on the term, is that the resurrection body cannot be wholly spiritual; otherwise, it could not be a "body." It is a human body, but there is something different about it, as Paul explains in context.

Taking in the whole of 1 Corinthians 15, we have the following descriptions of the body we have now versus the future resurrected body:
earthly vs. heavenly (verse 40)
perishable vs. imperishable (verse 42)
dishonorable vs. glorified (verse 43)
subject to weakness vs. raised in power (verse 43)
natural vs. spiritual (verse 44)
bearing Adam's image vs. bearing Christ's image (verse 49)
mortal vs. immortal (verse 53)
All the way through the text, the word body is used.

Earlier in the chapter, Paul lays the foundation for his discussion of the spiritual body: "Not all flesh is the same: People have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another" (1 Corinthians 15:39).

Note the illustration of differing kinds of flesh:
• fish have a body perfectly suited for their life in the water
• birds have a body perfectly suited for flying through the air
• animals have a body perfectly suited for their needs in the animal kingdom
• people have a body perfectly suited for life on this earthly plane

So, here's Paul's point: after the resurrection, we will have a body perfectly suited for life in heaven (that is, on the New Earth in eternity, Revelation 21:1). The "spiritual body" will be made of flesh (like Jesus' body is), but a different kind of flesh than what we have now.

The passage continues: "There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor" (1 Corinthians 15:40–41). So, we can also say that the resurrection body—the spiritual body—will have a different "splendor" than our earthly, natural body.

The spiritual body is suited to eternal life. It is not subject to decay or death; it will not be inconvenienced by any of the physical functions necessary for life here and now. The spiritual body will be a real body, but in a different mode of being. It will be an upgrade: at the resurrection, our bodies will go from Version 1.0 to Version 2.0. Better yet, to extend Paul's illustration in 1 Corinthians 15:39, our bodies now are the "seed"; our bodies then will be the blossom. Just as a poppy is more glorious than the seed from which it came, the spiritual body will be more glorious than the physical body that died.

The human body, in its present form, has various wants and weaknesses. In this fleshly body as we know it now, we cannot enter or enjoy the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 15:50). That will change at the resurrection. We will be transformed (verse 51). Right now, "the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak" (Matthew 26:41). For the believer, after the resurrection, the spirit and the flesh will both be equally willing (and capable) of serving God.

The Bible teaches that all people will be resurrected, "some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt" (Daniel 12:2). So, all will have a spiritual body, but there will be two different destinies. The difference is faith in Christ (John 3:36; 1 John 5:12). You will be resurrected someday, and you will receive a spiritual body. The question is, where will you spend eternity?

We all have a spirit. It is not our body. It is not our spiritual body either.

The following is not spiritual body specific but with regards to your first paragraph the following gives a fairly basic primer on our 3 parts. And offers a simple way to understand some of things.

Some here will disagree, of course, but this is a good outline to use  to start on research if you are so intended.[/size]

https://blog.biblesforamerica.org/the-three-parts-of-man-spirit-soul-and-body/

THE HUMAN SPIRIT June 22, 2015

The 3 Parts of Man—Spirit, Soul, and Body



Human beings are complicated. Each one of us is unique; we come from various backgrounds and have different personalities.

But with respect to how God created us, we're actually all the same. The Bible tells us in 1 Thessalonians 5:23 that we were all created with three parts—a spirit, a soul, and a body:

"And the God of peace Himself sanctify you wholly, and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

In this post we'll read an extremely helpful note on this verse in the New Testament Recovery Version to help us understand these three parts.

The three parts of man
Let's take a look at note 5 of 1 Thessalonians 5:23 in the Recovery Version. Since this is a lengthy note, we'll read it in sections.

The first part of the note says:

"This word strongly indicates that man is of three parts: spirit, soul, and body. The spirit as our inmost part is the inner organ, possessing God-consciousness, that we may contact God (John 4:24; Rom. 1:9)."

The human spirit is the deepest part of a person. By means of this innermost part, we can contact God in the spiritual realm. No other creature was created by God with this third part. 

Now let's read the next section of the note, which explains our soul:

"The soul is our very self (cf. Matt. 16:26; Luke 9:25), a medium between our spirit and our body, possessing self-consciousness, that we may have our personality."

Our soul perceives things in the psychological realm. In fact, in Greek—the original language of the New Testament—the word for soul is psuche, which is also the root word of psychology.

Our soul is our personality, who we are. With our soul we think, reason, consider, remember, and wonder. We experience emotions like happiness, love, sorrow, anger, relief, and compassion. And we're able to resolve, choose, and make decisions.

Now let's read the next section about our body and how our three parts are related:

"The body as our external part is the outer organ, possessing world-consciousness, that we may contact the material world. The body contains the soul, and the soul is the vessel that contains the spirit."

Our body exists in and contacts the tangible things of the material world using our five physical senses. The body is the visible, external part of our being, and it contains the soul. Our soul is the vessel containing our spirit.

Below is a simple diagram of three concentric circles illustrating these three parts. It shows the body as our outer, visible part; the soul as our inward part; and our spirit as our innermost, hidden part.




God's intention for the three parts of man
Now let's read the last section of the note, which explains God's intention for all three parts of our being:

"In the spirit, God as the Spirit dwells; in the soul, our self dwells; and in the body, the physical senses dwell. God sanctifies us, first, by taking possession of our spirit through regeneration (John 3:5-6); second, by spreading Himself as the life-giving Spirit from our spirit into our soul to saturate and transform our soul (Rom. 12:2; 2 Cor. 3:18); and last, by enlivening our mortal body through our soul (Rom. 8:11, 13) and transfiguring our body by His life power (Phil. 3:21)."

God's intention concerning us is that we would contain and express Him. But to express God, we need to be filled with Him. When we believed in Jesus Christ, we received Him and were regenerated, or born again, in our spirit. But He doesn't want to only fill our spirit. That's just the beginning.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 tells us, "The God of peace Himself sanctify you wholly." He sanctifies us by spreading into and saturating our whole being, starting from our spirit, continuing into our soul, and eventually including our body. By being wholly filled with God in every part of our being, God can be expressed through us.

It is the human spirit, that when we die, leaves the body... or perhaps is called out of the body and returns to God.

Eccl. 12:7 NASB 1995
then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.

Concerning our spirit that goes back to God, we know from James 2:26 that the body without the spirit is dead. The word "spirit" has a marginal reference which reads, "or breath." The actual root word in the Greek is "pneuma," a word which means "breath" or "air." This leads us to the conclusion that the words "breath" and "spirit" are often used interchangeably in the Bible.
you certainly must
I shall leave it at this with the following.

If you are among the people who deny that man is a triune being and just poo poo the idea of such as presented above, you certainly must admit man is at least a two part being... body and spirit. If this were not so then the bible is wrong... and if the bible is wrong in this just imagine what else it could be wrong in.