WHY WAS JESUS WATER BAPTIZED ?

[dan p]

It  reads  in Matt  3:15  that  jOHN  THE  BAPTIZED ,  Baptized  Jesus .

In  Acts  2:38  it  says to  Israel  , Repent and  let each  of  you be  BAPTIZED in  the  name  of Jesus Christ for  the   remission of  sins and  you  will the  GIFT  of  the  Holy  Spirit .

#1 Why  did  Jesus  sunmit  to  water  baptism .

#2  What  SINS  did  Jesus  commit ?

#3 And  verse  15 says ,  suffer  it  so to  FULFILL ALL  RIGHTEOUSNESS ,  what  does  that  mean ??

What  say  you ??

dan p

[NyawehNyoh]

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John the baptizer's mission had a special purpose.

● Mal 4:5-6 . . See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of The Lord comes. He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers; or else I will come and strike the land with a curse.

John wasn't the actual Elijah in person, but he was close enough.

● Matt 11:14 . . And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.

Now according to Luke 2:51, Jesus was a good son; so he didn't need correction in that area. His reason for submitting to John's baptism was different. He submitted to John's services simply because, at that particular time in Israel's history, it was the right thing to do.

● Matt 21:25 . . John's baptism-- where did it come from? Was it from heaven, or from men?

Well from Heaven of course, and I'm pretty sure that's at least one of the reasons why Jesus got in on it.

● Matt 3:13-15 . .Then Jesus came from Galilee to John at the Jordan to be baptized by him. John tried to prevent him, saying: I need to be baptized by you, and yet you are coming to me? Jesus said to him in reply: Allow it now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.
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[dan p]

First we  know  from  John  1:31 , And  I knew  him  not , but  that He  should  be made  MANIFEST  to  Israel ,  therefore  am  I  come BAPTIZING with  WATER ,

Baptism was  never  given  to  GENTILES ,  unless  you  have  a  verse that  I  missed ?

In Ex 19:6 God  says  to  Israel , And  ye  shall  be  kings  and  priests and  a  holy  nation .

These  are the  words which  thou  shall SPEAK  unto  the  children of  Israel ,  not  to  Gentiles .

Then  in  Rev  1:6 John  writes , And hath  made  us  kings  and  priests  unto  God .

In  Eze 36:25  Christ  will SPRINKLE CLEAN  WATER upon  you and  ye  shall  be  clean from all  your  FILTHINESS  and  from  your  idols ,  will  I  cleanse  you .

This  is  why  WATER  BAPTISM was  only  given  to  Israel ,  PERIOD .

This  WATER  BAPTISM is  also  written  in  Mark  16:15--and  the  144,000  will  be preaching , and  He  that  believeth and  is  BAPRIZED SHALL  be  Saved ,

Ans  signs , cast  out  DEVILS , speak  in  New  Tongues , take  up  SERPENTS , and  drink  any  DEADLY thing , heal  the  soick , and  who  was  MARK  speaking  to ,  Israel .

dan p

[Rella]

First we  know  from  John  1:31 , And  I knew  him  not , but  that He  should  be made  MANIFEST  to  Israel ,  therefore  am  I  come BAPTIZING with  WATER ,

Baptism was  never  given  to  GENTILES ,  unless  you  have  a  verse that  I  missed ?

In Ex 19:6 God  says  to  Israel , And  ye  shall  be  kings  and  priests and  a  holy  nation .

These  are the  words which  thou  shall SPEAK  unto  the  children of  Israel ,  not  to  Gentiles .

Then  in  Rev  1:6 John  writes , And hath  made  us  kings  and  priests  unto  God .

In  Eze 36:25  Christ  will SPRINKLE CLEAN  WATER upon  you and  ye  shall  be  clean from all  your  FILTHINESS  and  from  your  idols ,  will  I  cleanse  you .

This  is  why  WATER  BAPTISM was  only  given  to  Israel ,  PERIOD .

This  WATER  BAPTISM is  also  written  in  Mark  16:15--and  the  144,000  will  be preaching , and  He  that  believeth and  is  BAPRIZED SHALL  be  Saved ,

Ans  signs , cast  out  DEVILS , speak  in  New  Tongues , take  up  SERPENTS , and  drink  any  DEADLY thing , heal  the  soick , and  who  was  MARK  speaking  to ,  Israel .

dan p

Dan,

In the first place you say Baptism was  never  given  to  GENTILES ,  unless  you  have  a  verse that  I  missed ?

YES I DO... TOWARD THE END OF THIS.

You also said " This  is  why  WATER  BAPTISM was  only  given  to  Israel ,  PERIOD ."

WRONG

I will remind you that Jesus was not here for the GENTILES at first.

While the early Christians saw their mission as global in scope, during his earthly ministry, Jesus explicitly declared his mission to be focused only on Israel (Matt 15:24).

Jesus claimed that his mission was only to the "lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matt 15:24), a statement made upon His initial refusal of a Gentile woman who asked for healing for her daughter.

So much so that we can see this in the disciples' avoidance of Gentile towns in favor of "the lost sheep of Israel" (Matt 10:5-6, 23).

It has been suggested that he chose twelve disciples to correspond...most likely... to the twelve tribes of Israel

As to salvation... the order of salvation...  as demonstrated in Matthew 10-12, is first to the Jews, then to the Gentiles.

Baptism was important as we know about John the Baptist and how it was a command for the Jews... pre-Jesus' arrival that day of the Holy Spirit descending on Him.... as well as after.

Now as to the Gentiles  that heard and believed... THEM TOO as you shall see.

Acts 10... starting at verse 34. NASB The Gentiles get the good news and instructions...

34 Opening his mouth, Peter said:

"I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality,

35 but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him.

36 The word which He sent to the sons of Israel, preaching peace through Jesus Christ (He is Lord of all)—

37 you yourselves know the thing which took place throughout all Judea, starting from Galilee, after the baptism which John proclaimed.

38 You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.

39 We are witnesses of all the things He did both in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They also put Him to death by hanging Him on a cross.

40 God raised Him up on the third day and granted that He become visible,

41 not to all the people, but to witnesses who were chosen beforehand by God, that is, to us who ate and drank with Him after He arose from the dead.

42 And He ordered us to preach to the people, and solemnly to testify that this is the One who has been appointed by God as Judge of the living and the dead.

43 Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."

44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message.

45 All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.

46 For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered,

47 "Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?"

48 And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.

[Jaime]

Good post Rella

[Texas Conservative]

Acts 2:38 was not for Gentiles.

Rella is right, gospel did not reach gentiles until Cornelius.

[Jaime]

Dan P contends the gentiles got a separate and different gospel. i don't  think so. There is only one gospel.

Ephesians 4:5-6
King James Version
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

[Texas Conservative]

One gospel but it was first for the Jews in Acts 2, then to Samaritans in Acts 8, then to Gentiles in Acts 10,11.

Acts is descriptive, not prescriptive. 

That is why I think the Acts 2:38 prooftext is dumb. 

Obviously, the rest of scripture in Acts shows baptism associated with conversion, so Dan is full of it.

[Jaime]

I don't think the gentiles being next in any way took away from the prescriptive nature of Acts 2:38. Both instances involve baptism in Christ's name. Cornelius speaking in tongues was for a very apecific purpose just like the disciples at Pentecost. It didn't override the prescription in Acts 2 and establish a separate pradigm for gentiles at all.

[Texas Conservative]

The book of Acts is descriptive.  It is not prescriptive at all.  That only works with CENI, which is a terrible way to read scripture

[Jaime]

Hiw does Acts 10 work except by CENI? It also works for Acts 2. Nothing at all werong with interpreting , commands, examples or necessary inference. No interpretation method avoids those. They may well call them something else.

[Texas Conservative]

All of Acts works without CENI.  It is a descriptive book that describes what happened in the early church. 

[Jaime]

Without Ceni, the explanation by example of baptism in Christ Name at the end of Acts 10, being in water, we would still be trying to figure it out. Some STILL refuse to see it like Dan P. They leap past it and assume Cornelius resets the Gentile paradigm for salvation without water.

[Jaime]

I was trying to think of an example of a necessary inference and I think this one is valid. Since the New Testament teaches that valid baptism requires both belief and repentance (Mk. 16:16; Acts 2:38). Since babies cannot believe, nor do they need to repent (because they have no sin), then it follows necessarily and reasonably that infants are not candidates for baptism in Christ's name.

[Jaime]

As to what Jesus meant in Mathew 3:15, i believe this was equivalent to saying, "Yes, I know I have no sins to be repented of and that I might claim an exemption from this duty proclaimed by the authority ofGod and binding upon all men; but, since this is God's ordinance, I wish to honor it anyway by obeying the commandment now."

[yogi bear]

Both are good points Jaime

[Texas Conservative]

Without Ceni, the explanation by example of baptism in Christ Name at the end of Acts 10, being in water, we would still be trying to figure it out. Some STILL refuse to see it like Dan P. They leap past it and assume Cornelius resets the Gentile paradigm for salvation without water.

Naw.  You just need to read Ephesians 4.  No excuse to misread scripture with CENI.  The stated purpose of Acts is descriptive.

[Jaime]

I think there is plenty in the Bible open to an interpretation such as CENI as in the example of infant baptism. Some of the New Testament especially  are cut and dried and no necessary inference needed. What does Acts DESCRIBE for infant baptism?

[yogi bear]

Back to the opening question of why Jesus was watered baptized He answered it for you

Matthew 3:15
But Jesus, answering, said unto him, Suffer it now: for thus it becometh us to fulfill all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

This was equivalent to saying, "Yes, I know I have no sins to be repented of and that I might claim an exemption from this duty proclaimed by the authority of God and binding upon all men; but, since this is God's ordinance, I wish to honor it anyway and am delighted to do so by obeying the commandment now."

Now what do you think he meant by his answer?

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

Dan,

In the first place you say Baptism was  never  given  to  GENTILES ,  unless  you  have  a  verse that  I  missed ?

That seems backwards.

Baptism is for adoption.  Who needs adoption?  The ones who are already children, or the ones who aren't?

Jarrod

[Jaime]

I always looked at baptism as the marriage ceremony.

[Rella]

That seems backwards.

Baptism is for adoption.  Who needs adoption?  The ones who are already children, or the ones who aren't?

Jarrod

His point was he did not know it was specified for Gentiles in the NT so I gave him that info

[dan p]

 For  one you  did  not  explain why  Jesus  had  to  be  water  baptized ?

Then  you  believe what  Acts  10:45 that upon  the GENTILES  the  gift  of  the  HOLY  SPIRIT  had  been  poured out .

So  did these  Gentiles   BECOME part  of  Israel ?

Or do  those  GENTILES  be  PLACED  into  the  BODY  OF  CHRIST ?

ESPECIAILLY  ,  because  the  BODY  OF  CHRIST  was  NOT  YET  KNOWN ?

I  say  that  thoses  in  Acts  10:45  are  a  part  of  Israel  as  they  were  COMMANDED  to  be  WATER  BAPTIZED in  verse 48 .

Paul  does  not  command any one  saved    GRACE  to  be  WATER  BAPTIZED , like  Eph  2:5  and  8  and  Rom  10:9-10 .

dan p

[Rella]

For  one you  did  not  explain why  Jesus  had  to  be  water  baptized ?

Then  you  believe what  Acts  10:45 that upon  the GENTILES  the  gift  of  the  HOLY  SPIRIT  had  been  poured out .

So  did these  Gentiles   BECOME part  of  Israel ?

Or do  those  GENTILES  be  PLACED  into  the  BODY  OF  CHRIST ?

ESPECIAILLY  ,  because  the  BODY  OF  CHRIST  was  NOT  YET  KNOWN ?

I  say  that  thoses  in  Acts  10:45  are  a  part  of  Israel  as  they  were  COMMANDED  to  be  WATER  BAPTIZED in  verse 48 .

Paul  does  not  command any one  saved    GRACE  to  be  WATER  BAPTIZED , like  Eph  2:5  and  8  and  Rom  10:9-10 .

dan p

Dan,

Gentiles were grafted in.

Romans 11:17

17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you.

25-32 25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers:[d] a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,

"The Deliverer will come from Zion,
    he will banish ungodliness from Jacob";
27 "and this will be my covenant with them
    when I take away their sins."

28 As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may now[e] receive mercy. 32 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.

As to the water baptism of Jesus... How about so the Holy Spirit could descend on Him?

Else how could He command people to be believe and be baptised if He was not baptised Himself?

[Jaime]

Dan, why would you say that Baptism in Christ's name is NOT about being  saved by grace? Since God does the saving in baptism in Christ's name, the ensuing salvation is the result of soley by God's grace through faith in Christ. We certainly do NOT save ourselves, wet OR dry. Any salvation is by God and his grace to offer that free gift that we can not merit of earn.

[dan p]

 And  in  Eph  4:5  it  reads ,  ONE  LORD ,  ONE  FAITH  and  ONE  BAPTISM .

So  check  ONE  BAPTISM  and  it  really  reads  ONE  BAPTISMA  ,  and  NOT  one Baptizo .

So  what  does  ONE  BAPTISMA  then  mean ?

It  means  ONE  BAPTISMA ,  which  then that  that  ONE  BAPTISMA  is  the  HOLY  SPIRIT , PERIOD !!

Or  explain  1  Cor 10:1 --2  that  reads And  all were   BAPTIZED /  BAPTIZO  ,  unto  Moses in  the  CLOUD  and  in  the  SEA , so  will  you  explain how  that  happened  and  was  this  BAPTISM ,  WATER  ??

dan p

[e.r.m.]

Acts 2:38 was not for Gentiles.

Rella is right, gospel did not reach gentiles until Cornelius.

vs. 39 made baptism for gentiles as well.

However, it seems Peter needed a little convincing and the second baptism with the Holy Spirit recorded in the NT convinced him Acts 10:47-48.

[Rella]

Dan, why would you say that Baptism in Christ's name is NOT about being  saved by grace? Since God does the saving in baptism in Christ's name, the ensuing salvation is the result of soley by God's grace through faith in Christ. We certainly do NOT save ourselves, wet OR dry. Any salvation is by God and his grace to offer that free gift that we can not merit of earn.

Jaime,

Where in the bible does it say that Jesus said you had to be baptised to be saved?

Dont go to Mark 16:16 because the actual ending of Mark was vs 8 and the rest was an addon.

https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/new-testament/the-strange-ending-of-the-gospel-of-mark-and-why-it-makes-all-the-difference/

This original ending of Mark was viewed by later Christians as so deficient that not only was Mark placed second in order in the New Testament, but various endings were added by editors and copyists in some manuscripts to try to remedy things. The longest concocted ending, which became Mark 16:9-19, became so treasured that it was included in the King James Version of the Bible, favored for the past 500 years by Protestants, as well as translations of the Latin Vulgate, used by Catholics. This meant that for countless millions of Christians it became sacred scripture–but it is patently bogus.

But that is beside the point.

We know Jesus, Himself, was baptised. We were never told why.

Surly you cannot believe Jesus needed saved Himself?

But what you patently are ignoring is that it is the spirit that gets regenerated. Spiritual regeneration

The un-regenerate are spiritually dead and live in spiritual darkness.

 All humans are born spiritually dead due to the original sin of Adam. The regenerate are made alive spiritually; they live in spiritual light.

 Only people who are spiritually alive can truly understand God's Word in its truth and richness. For the unregenerate, this is impossible.

Because when God saves a person, He renews their minds, hearts, and souls. The body... NO. That is why you will get a new glorified body because
This cover we have will rot in the ground ( or wherever) It cannot go where the soul and spirit does.

Jesus told Nicodemus

5Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

A spiritual regeneration.

OK... I have rambled on enough because there is one area that no one ever talks about

FROM Jesus Himself... John 6

53 So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.

54 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.

55 For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink.

56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.

57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me.

58 This is the bread which came down out of heaven; not as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever."

Now I know people who never give thought to Holy Communion.And this seems as equally important as anything.

It is one reason why my church makes the first Holy Communion so important and also the Roman Catholic church, which is quite
important to themc [/size]

[Jaime]

Rella, other than all the examples we have of people being baptized in the New Testament in instances of salvation, the following passages seems to be the most definitive to me:

1Peter 3:21
21 Baptism, which corresponds to this (Noah and his family being saved through the water), now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Plus Paul had to have his sins washed away in baptism in the Acts 22 account. Why did his sins need to be washed away, after his face to face with the risen Christ?  Would that reason have anything to do with salvation?

[4WD]

We know Jesus, Himself, was baptised. We were never told why.

Mat 3:15  But Jesus answered him, "Let it be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness." Then he consented.

So we are told why, but even so I am not sure that I fully understand it.

Surly you cannot believe Jesus needed saved Himself?

But what you patently are ignoring is that it is the spirit that gets regenerated. Spiritual regeneration

The un-regenerate are spiritually dead and live in spiritual darkness.

 All humans are born spiritually dead due to the original sin of Adam. The regenerate are made alive spiritually; they live in spiritual light.

No, we are not born spiritually dead.  That is a heresy postulated by the RCC, picked up by Augustine and then by Calvin.

We are spiritually alive when we are born.  We become spiritually dead when we sin.  Once spiritually alive, then spiritually dead.  And that is the reason why we need to be REborn, REgenerated. We need to be REturned to the position of being spiritually alive.

Our spirits come from God.  He doesn't give us dead spirits; He gives us spirits alive and well.  WE screw things up when we sin. That is when we become dead in trespasses and sins and need to be REborn.

Zec 12:1  The burden of the word of the LORD concerning Israel: Thus declares the LORD, who stretched out the heavens and founded the earth and formed the spirit of man within him:

Ecc 12:7  and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

[e.r.m.]

Jaime,

Where in the bible does it say that Jesus said you had to be baptised to be saved?

Dont go to Mark 16:16 because the actual ending of Mark was vs 8 and the rest was an addon.

https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/new-testament/the-strange-ending-of-the-gospel-of-mark-and-why-it-makes-all-the-difference/But that is beside the point.

We know Jesus, Himself, was baptised. We were never told why.

Surly you cannot believe Jesus needed saved Himself?

But what you patently are ignoring is that it is the spirit that gets regenerated. Spiritual regeneration

The un-regenerate are spiritually dead and live in spiritual darkness.

 All humans are born spiritually dead due to the original sin of Adam. The regenerate are made alive spiritually; they live in spiritual light.

 Only people who are spiritually alive can truly understand God's Word in its truth and richness. For the unregenerate, this is impossible.

Because when God saves a person, He renews their minds, hearts, and souls. The body... NO. That is why you will get a new glorified body because
This cover we have will rot in the ground ( or wherever) It cannot go where the soul and spirit does.

Jesus told Nicodemus

5Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

A spiritual regeneration.

OK... I have rambled on enough because there is one area that no one ever talks about

FROM Jesus Himself... John 6

53 So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.

54 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.

55 For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink.

56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.

57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me.

58 This is the bread which came down out of heaven; not as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever."

Now I know people who never give thought to Holy Communion.And this seems as equally important as anything.

It is one reason why my church makes the first Holy Communion so important and also the Roman Catholic church, which is quite
important to themc

All humans are born spiritually dead due to the original sin of Adam.

Original sin is an extra-Biblical teaching, and has no place in Biblical discussion.

Only people who are spiritually alive can truly understand God's Word in its truth and richness. For the unregenerate, this is impossible.

This is also wrong

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Hearing the word of God comes first then faith. Faith comes before being saved John 3:16, therefore hearing the word of God comes before being saved.
Example:
Mark 12:32-34 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: [33] And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. [34] And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

Jesus acknowledged this man's understanding of scripture, even though he was only "not far" from the kingdom of God.

[e.r.m.]

Jaime,

Where in the bible does it say that Jesus said you had to be baptised to be saved?

Dont go to Mark 16:16 because the actual ending of Mark was vs 8 and the rest was an addon.

https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/new-testament/the-strange-ending-of-the-gospel-of-mark-and-why-it-makes-all-the-difference/But that is beside the point.

We know Jesus, Himself, was baptised. We were never told why.

Surly you cannot believe Jesus needed saved Himself?

But what you patently are ignoring is that it is the spirit that gets regenerated. Spiritual regeneration

The un-regenerate are spiritually dead and live in spiritual darkness.

 All humans are born spiritually dead due to the original sin of Adam. The regenerate are made alive spiritually; they live in spiritual light.

 Only people who are spiritually alive can truly understand God's Word in its truth and richness. For the unregenerate, this is impossible.

Because when God saves a person, He renews their minds, hearts, and souls. The body... NO. That is why you will get a new glorified body because
This cover we have will rot in the ground ( or wherever) It cannot go where the soul and spirit does.

Jesus told Nicodemus

5Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

A spiritual regeneration.

OK... I have rambled on enough because there is one area that no one ever talks about

FROM Jesus Himself... John 6

53 So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.

54 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.

55 For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink.

56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.

57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me.

58 This is the bread which came down out of heaven; not as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever."

Now I know people who never give thought to Holy Communion.And this seems as equally important as anything.

It is one reason why my church makes the first Holy Communion so important and also the Roman Catholic church, which is quite
important to themc

Where in the bible does it say that Jesus said you had to be baptised to be saved?

It doesn't say that Jesus said you had to be baptised to be saved. It says that's what baptism in Jesus's name is for, the purpose, the reason for getting baptized.
Acts 2:38-39 Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. [39] For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far away, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself."

Acts 22:16 Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins by calling on His name.'

etc.

[Alan]

John's baptism was for repentance and forgiveness of sin. Salvation wasn't the intent at that point. 

It always seemed to me that Jesus volunteered for the baptism to set an example for his own ministry, he was sinless but not above sinners, and to fulfill God's plan of revealing to John the new messiah. 

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

It always seemed to me that Jesus volunteered for the baptism to set an example for his own ministry, he was sinless but not above sinners, and to fulfill God's plan of revealing to John the new messiah.

Textual critics think that the church altered this chapter of Luke at a later date. 

It is believed that the quote 'This is my beloved Son, hear Him' was substituted in place of a quotation of Psalm 2:7, which says, 'Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.'

This is based on Acts 13:33, which quotes the Psalm in a similar manner and is also written by Luke.

However, the language 'To Day I have begotten Thee' conflicts with the doctrine of immaculate conception, and so there was a change... supposedly.

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Textual critics think that the church altered this chapter of Luke at a later date. 

It is believed that the quote 'This is my beloved Son, hear Him' was substituted in place of a quotation of Psalm 2:7, which says, 'Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.'

This is based on Acts 13:33, which quotes the Psalm in a similar manner and is also written by Luke.

However, the language 'To Day I have begotten Thee' conflicts with the doctrine of immaculate conception, and so there was a change... supposedly.

Hi Jarrod,

Thanks for the thoughts but begs does it really conflict?

We know that Mary was a virgin when she became pregnant with Jesus.

We also have been told that the Holy Spirit (I believe God the Holy Spirit) came upon Mary and got her in the family way.

Matt
1:18 she was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit.

1:20 the Child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.

Luke
1:31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus.

1: 34 Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, since I am a virgin?"

1;35 The angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.

How the Holy Spirit managed it is beyond your and my pay grade.

We just know, or should know it happened.

I have never read anywhere that the word begotten means body parts had to connect... especially when the Holy Spirit had no body parts
that we know of.

https://www.bibleversestudy.com/acts/acts13-begotten-meaning.htm

What is the meaning of "have begotten" (Acts 13:33)?
γεγεννηκα (gegenneka), the original Greek word translated "have begotten," is typically understood to mean "having fathered" or "having brought forth from the womb," but it literally means just "having brought forth" or "having caused to arise," and is being used in this literal sense in this passage (see below). It should be noted that γεγεννηκα (gegenneka) is different from μονογενης (monogenes), which means "only" or "unique" but mistranslated as "only begotten" in some English translations (see monogenes).

Human inability to comprehend a meaning so some caused "wiser" men or group changes to things for "clarity" and just muddies up the waters.IMO (At least this cannot be blamed on women.)

"'To Day I have begotten Thee' conflicts with the doctrine of immaculate conception" 

Nothing... repeat NOTHING... could be more immaculate then a
spirit, as in Holy merging... however it happened, with a flesh and blood mortal....


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