WHY DOES FAITH NOT COME TO ALL WHO HEAR GOD’S WORD?

[Jaime]

I have always thought that Jacob adopting Ephraim and Mannessah as HIS sons with blessing and land inheritance just like the other brothers in Genesis 48:3 was a foreshadowing of the grafting in of the wild branches (Gentiles) that Paul spoke of in Romans 11, since Joseph was a foreshadowing of Jesus as Messiah. And as we saw from Joseph's story, he was preserved and sent first to phusically save the House of Israel (Jacob's other sons).

[4WD]

You cannot deny that the reason we have any hope at all in a blessed eternity is by our faith in Jesus and His shed blood.

ORIGINALLY that was not to be so..... At least according to Jesus....

Matthew 15:24
New American Standard Bible
24 But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

It is true that Jesus was sent only to Israel, the apostles were sent to the rest of the world.  That has nothing to do with Jesus as the Lord and Savior for the world which was God's plan from even before the world began just as Jaime said above.

[Jaime]

I always have to remind myself that the entire Bible is ONE story. The first testament as well as the second testament. The promise to Abraham was culminated upon Jesus' death, burial and resurrection. Genesis 15 - 22 links the two teatiments, for me anyway, and Paul's ministry to the Gentiles ratifies it.

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

I don't think God changed his mind as to offering salvation to the Gentiles. The promise to Abraham in Genesis 12-22 was that All nations or all peoples of the world would be blessed by his seed (Jesus). The Gentiles had an important role in God's plan. Paul being sent to the Gentiles was not Plan B.

You've understated it.

God told Abraham that He would make him a "Father of Gentiles."  Gentiles who convert become sons of Abraham - i.e. no longer Gentiles.

Jarrod

[Jaime]

Yes they (the wild branches) are grafted onto God's olive tree - his spiritual family aka Israel. Just as the once broken off (natural) branches are grafted BACK on to the same olive tree.

[Jaime]

Since God has given a certificate of divorce to Israel, does Jeremiah 31:31 hint of a re-marriage between God and Israel?

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord,
That I will make a new covenant
With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

[Jean74]

Read John 3:16-17 as His word should never at all be used for profit. But in saving those who are unsaved and accepting Christ. His Word is the same like God is!

[Jaime]

What profit are you talking about Jean?

According to Jeremiah, the new covenant is to be with the House of Israel and the House of Judah. Which are we?

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

Since Hod has given a certificate of divorce to Israel, does Jeremiah 31:31 hint of a re-marriage between God and Israel?

It's more of a resurrection, IMO. 

Israel's penalty for unfaithfulness was death, as carried out by the Assyrians.

In Jeremiah 31, Israel is a virgin again.  Brought back to new life, starting over.

[Jaime]

I was wondering since Christ died per the blood path covenant in Genesis 15, did his death allow God to remarry Israel, God's olive tree, with all the grafted  back on natural branches and the grafted on wild branches?

Jeremiah 11:16 The Lord called thy name, (house of Judah and house of Israel) a green olive tree, fair, and of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.

[DaveW]

Your statement to "....accept His word in the faith it produces...." is a bit of a circular rational.  How can you accept something in faith if that faith is yet to be produced?

Stop relying on linear western logic.  The Bible is not written from that viewpoint in either testament.

[4WD]

Stop relying on linear western logic.  The Bible is not written from that viewpoint in either testament.

My response had nothing to do with anything written in the Bible; rather it had to do with what you wrote. The logic, or rather the lack of logic, that I referred to is yours, not God's.

[Jaime]

Dave, I am not agreeing or disagreeing with your statement here, but I think it would be cool to have a thread to explore more about the differences in the Eastern vs the Western mindset. With your background would you mind setting this topic up with what you know anout the subject. I recognize that their IS a difference, but maybe not how those differences affect the way we interpret acriptures. It's probably uniquely unisual that the Bible is basically an Hebraic (Eastern) text or story about Eastern or Hebraic people retold and recorded in the Greek language (Western perspective) and translated into English. I think it would be a very useful thread and you could maybe be our ambassador to Eastern thinking via your Messianic experience. I would like to hear what some of the examples you find of the rub between Eastern and Western thinking. I DO realize the challenge of translating from an Eastern text or thought and accurately portraying the intended thought, especially in a comparatively limited language like English.

[Rella]

Since Hod has given a certificate of divorce to Israel, does Jeremiah 31:31 hint of a re-marriage between God and Israel?

Yes, It certainly appears to be the case.

[Rella]

If I were him, I would register a new account named RB2. Then if be recovers the old account psswors, he can revert back to the old account. Assuming a new account is even possible! Password maintenance is the bane of my existence!

Jaime,

They do not approve new accounts anymore.

The membership seems to be all it will ever be.

That is why I am afraid to log out. Mommydi did a while back and could not get back on for a long time.

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If you look at salvadoreof4 join date and last post was 3-15-22... and is now listed as a lurker.... as well as latest member.

There have been 2 or 3 in the past few months who show up making a single post or no post at all who have not posted in 5 or 6 years....

So that would not work for him for he would not get the approval email.

But I found if you go to settings... then type in Password manager I get a list of all allegedly compromised Password.

Example.

I no longer have Facebook... though they will not terminate my account so I have them in spam now.

But they are listed 4 times with different Passwords that I had to change over the years when I was active.

They have 61 listings for me that I see if I just go to settings and Type in Password manager

[DaveW]

Dave, I am not agreeing or disagreeing with your statement here, but I think it would be cool to have a thread to explore more about the differences in the Eastern vs the Western mindset. With your background would you mind setting this topic up with what you know anout the subject. I recognize that their IS a difference, but maybe not how those differences affect the way we interpret acriptures. It's probably uniquely unisual that the Bible is basically an Hebraic (Eastern) text or story about Eastern or Hebraic people retold and recorded in the Greek language (Western perspective) and translated into English. I think it would be a very useful thread and you could maybe be our ambassador to Eastern thinking via your Messianic experience. I would like to hear what some of the examples you find of the rub between Eastern and Western thinking. I DO realize the challenge of translating from an Eastern text or thought and accurately portraying the intended thought, especially in a comparatively limited language like English.

Have we not done that here at least 2 or 3 times already???

[Jaime]

Honestly, I don't recall. But if you find one let me know and I will "sticky it", or try to. To me this is extremely important in understanding some texts. I am not at all confident that most English translators are adept at this, especially the KJV and others.