Did Ellen White believe in the Trinity?

[Amo]

You did it again Amo, I've already shown you what Holy Scripture said was the most important part of the Gospel something like 5 times already. Here it is again.

If that isn't clear to you I think you need some reading comprehension classes. "According to the Scriptures" is a well known Jewish idiom that means (just like Jesus said) IT HAD TO HAPPEN, THERE WAS NO WAY IT WOULDN'T HAPPEN, IT WAS SET IN STONE, etc. So no, you're NOT, according to the Bible, pointing out the most important part as I've just shown you for like the 5th time.

Read the documents of the Council of Nicaea paying attention to what was said about Arius and his specific teaching that Christ had the potential to sin and explain how that's not Arian.

I've shown you that Scripture affirms there was nor could be any possibility of Jesus sinning, scores and scores of times. You just choose to ignore all those examples so you can continue to pay homage to an 18th century woman who proved herself to be a false prophet. That's what we're dealing with here, not much more.

I'm not the one with comprehension problems between us. I comprehend your repetitive point very well. Nor do I deny the prophetic predictions of our Lord's success in the salvation of believers. I just do not think that God is limited by your understanding, to the effect that the man Jesus Christ could not have sinned, and therefore also most apparently was not tempted like as we are in all points. Yet without sin.

You are the one who refuses to acknowledge and or explain how the man Jesus Christ could have been tempted like as we are in all things, when it was impossible for Him to sin. You believe therefore, that He had no choice in the matter of obeying God or not, which in and of itself contradicts the claim that He was tempted in all points like as we are.

Right from the beginning, God commanded that humanity not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, bringing choice into our existence. Not just any choice, but choice regarding exactly obedience to God or not. As soon as our Lord Jesus was anointed with the Holy Spirit unto His ministry as Savior of humanity, He was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil (Mat 3:13 - 4:11).

Mat 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

One who cannot sin, cannot be tempted by sin. Why will you make the above scriptures and others I have quoted into lies, because you cannot comprehend how they and other scriptures can be true at the same time. As though God were as limited as your own understanding is. Or that others must be limited likewise, or are in error. I tell you the truth, God's Holy Scriptures are not in error, you are. If what you choose to believe makes the Holy scriptures themselves, contradict themselves, then what you believe is wrong.

If the man Jesus Christ did not have any choices to make regarding obedience to God the Father or not, then He was not a man. For by God's own design, man has always had to make that choice. Apart from this, do you really think God has no choice about righteousness or not? Praise His pure, holy, righteous, and honorable name, that he is all of these things. Just imagine if He chose not to be so, or was like the evil one.

Go to, and trifle with your own extreme limitations regarding the character, or mind, and heart of the living God Almighty. Neither he Himself, nor anyone else is subject to your limited understanding and or faith regarding the word of God. You have not resolved all the mysteries of Godliness, by confining God to some automaton existence who could not do as he pleased concerning anything and everything, including good or evil.

Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Mrk 1:13 And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.

Luk 4:2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.

Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ did not pretend to be a man, He was a man. Nor did He pretend to be tempted as men are tempted, He was tempted as men are tempted. These things are not beyond your comprehension, they are just scriptural truths which you choose to ignore and or deny.

[Cathlodox]

Amo said:  I just do not think that God is limited by your understanding, to the effect that the man Jesus Christ could not have sinned, and therefore also most apparently was not tempted like as we are in all points.

It' not me saying it Amo, God the Father said it, God the Son said it & God the Holy Spirit said it. This affirmation runs throughout Scripture.

The Bible says that a man is only tempted when he is drawn toward sin by his own lust - his own yearning for sin. So, Amo I'll be a bit crude here but you should understand this.

Hypothetical Situation:
Amo is sitting on a park bench reading the paper when "a pedophile" comes up to Amo and asks Amo if he wants to abduct a little kid on a swing and drag the kid into the bushes to molest it.

If you (Amo) get off on the idea of buggering children you will feel the pull within yourself BECAUSE, just like James 1 clearly says, YOU, Amo, are only tempted if the sin is something you yearn & lust for. This burning desire Amo has to bugger a child swells up inside Amo and either Amo fights against his desire (his own lust or yearning) to bugger the little kid or Amo goes through with his "fantasies". 

If you (Amo) are repelled and disgusted by the pedophiles proposition of abducting and buggering a little kid YOU WERE NOT TEMPTED within yourself! True, you were tempted BY or OF the pedophile but YOU were not within yourself tempted. THIS is what the Bible records of Christ's temptations.

Non-Trinitarians are always desperate to jigger Christ's temptation to include Christ lusting or yearning for sex, murder, gossiping or whatever else. This yearning by anti-Trinitarians to put sinful desires into Christ that He had to resist pays homage to Arius and his Luciferian teaching that Christ was capable of mutation (sinning).

The reason the Devil is so successful with temptation is that literally everyone has SOMETHING they desire (desire, yearn or lust for) & once Lucifer tempts the person with whatever it is that he has in the person it's all downhill from there.

That's the difference Amo, it's about as a black and white as it gets. Jesus said Lucifer had NOTHING in Him. Arius said Satan HAD stuff in Christ, Ellen White also said Satan HAD STUFF in Christ and that Christ had to resist His yearning lust for sin. Of course you realize this is contrary to the Bible but because Ellen said it you must pay homage to it.

[Amo]

It' not me saying it Amo, God the Father said it, God the Son said it & God the Holy Spirit said it. This affirmation runs throughout Scripture.

The Bible says that a man is only tempted when he is drawn toward sin by his own lust - his own yearning for sin. So, Amo I'll be a bit crude here but you should understand this.

Hypothetical Situation:
Amo is sitting on a park bench reading the paper when "a pedophile" comes up to Amo and asks Amo if he wants to abduct a little kid on a swing and drag the kid into the bushes to molest it.

If you (Amo) get off on the idea of buggering children you will feel the pull within yourself BECAUSE, just like James 1 clearly says, YOU, Amo, are only tempted if the sin is something you yearn & lust for. This burning desire Amo has to bugger a child swells up inside Amo and either Amo fights against his desire (his own lust or yearning) to bugger the little kid or Amo goes through with his "fantasies". 

If you (Amo) are repelled and disgusted by the pedophiles proposition of abducting and buggering a little kid YOU WERE NOT TEMPTED within yourself! True, you were tempted BY or OF the pedophile but YOU were not within yourself tempted. THIS is what the Bible records of Christ's temptations.

Non-Trinitarians are always desperate to jigger Christ's temptation to include Christ lusting or yearning for sex, murder, gossiping or whatever else. This yearning by anti-Trinitarians to put sinful desires into Christ that He had to resist pays homage to Arius and his Luciferian teaching that Christ was capable of mutation (sinning).

The reason the Devil is so successful with temptation is that literally everyone has SOMETHING they desire (desire, yearn or lust for) & once Lucifer tempts the person with whatever it is that he has in the person it's all downhill from there.

That's the difference Amo, it's about as a black and white as it gets. Jesus said Lucifer had NOTHING in Him. Arius said Satan HAD stuff in Christ, Ellen White also said Satan HAD STUFF in Christ and that Christ had to resist His yearning lust for sin. Of course you realize this is contrary to the Bible but because Ellen said it you must pay homage to it.

You are delusional. No one is saying, or believes as you suggest. I find your choice of a hypothetical, somewhat disturbing as well. Though I understand as a Catholic, that the widespread, prevalent, and infamous problem of pedophilia or child molestation among Roman Catholic Priests in particular, might tend to bring such a hypothetical into a mind which may have often struggled with the why's and wherefore's of that issue.

Apart from this, being tempted is not a sin or sinning. It is what one chooses to do with that temptation, that may enter the realm of sin. Different people may or not be naturally repulsed by this or that temptation. While others are. No sin is committed by the tempted though, until or unless they choose to and or give into whatever form of lust they are being tempted by. It is your own wrong determination that simply being tempted is sin, which causes your mental block as I see it, concerning this issue.

Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

The temptation alone, which may come from within or without, is not sin. Only when lust has conceived, "it bringeth forth sin". That is, when the individual responds and actually chooses to indulge whatever lustful desire they have been tempted with. This is how what you will not allow for, even when scripture itself conclusively states it as true, takes place against your own understanding and insistence. Which rejects the plain statements of Holy Scripture. Nevertheless, apart from this, how will we sinners in desperate need of salvation with such limited sight as we have, fully comprehend the inner workings of the mind of God the Son, and the Son of man. Let alone to the point of condemning anyone and everyone who will not bow to our understanding regarding certain mysteries of God almighty. Who would think they fully know and understand such regarding our unfathomable God, and would mandate their views while condemning all others as reprobate and lost, but those of the spirit of the evil one himself. Who also thought he knew better than God and or anyone else.

Mat 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

It is your own definition of sin, or believing that simply being tempted is sin, which causes the mental block you are experiencing regarding this issue. Not mine. According to your own definition, the above scriptures say that the Spirit of God led Jesus into the wilderness to sin. Obviously, if one can be tempted by the devil and other outside sources as scripture plainly states, then temptation is not only from within. Nevertheless, if one properly responds to temptation from within or without, there is no sin.

Adam and Eve did not sin against God until they actually chose within their minds, to eat of the fruit God forbade them to eat. Up until that point, they were in the valley of decision. Those in the valley of decision, are not committed one way or the other. Nevertheless, the Lord is near, in the valley of decision.

Jol 3:14  Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.

Believe, accuse, and condemn others as you wish regarding the mystery of godliness. This issue will be fully resolved when our Lord returns, as well as all others. I have no desire to force or compel you or anyone else to see things exactly as I do. As apparently at this time Almighty God does not either, though such a thing is certainly not above His abilities.

1Ti 3:16  And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. 15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good. 16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings. 

[Cathlodox]

Amo said: You are delusional. No one is saying, or believes as you suggest. I find your choice of a hypothetical, somewhat disturbing as well.

I'm spot-on...
...Ellen White affirmed multiple times Christ could have sinned.
...The hypothetical I gave was appropriate.
...No different than you attributed to Christ.

Amo said: Though I understand as a Catholic, that the widespread, prevalent, and infamous problem of pedophilia or child molestation among Roman Catholic Priests in particular, might tend to bring such a hypothetical into a mind which may have often struggled with the why's and wherefore's of that issue.

Adventists make up 1/2 of 1% in the fractional pie of Christianity...
...Adventists are OVERREPRESENTED in child sex crimes.
...Run the numbers, if SDA's were as big as Catholicism.
...You'd have a worse record in your own church.

I'm pleased my hypothetical struck a nerve with you...
...You needed something to jostle you back into reality.
...Remember, it's Ellen that said Christ could have sinned.

You need to read slower Amo.

Romans 8,3 says Christ came in the LIKENESS of sinful flesh...
...Christ did NOT come in sinful flesh.

If Jesus had this internal "lure," he would possess the "sinful nature" that James describes as the factory of sin. To be "without sin," Jesus' temptations had to come from without (the Devil), not from within (yearning).

Matthew 5:28   
Yes; lust in the heart is adultery already committed.

Exodus 20:17   
Yes; "coveting" is a sin of the mind/desire.

Romans 7:7   
Yes; Paul identifies the internal "desire" as the thing the Law condemns.
James 1:14-15   Yes; it is the internal "lure" that leads to death.

Again, the Bible over and over again explicitly states that the Christ could NOT sin. Ellen was feverishly gloatful that Christ could have sinned.

Imagine it Amo, IF Ellen's Luciferian hypothetical had been realized:

Daniel would be a "false Prophet"


Isaiah would be a "false Prophet"


All the other "Prophets" in the Old Testament would have been "FALSE prophets"!


Even more stunning would be that God would be a liar.

This is the lengths you will go to pay homage to Ellen White...
...Her status of being a prophet is of such value to you.
...That God Almighty could have been a LIAR.

Oh that God could be a liar so that Ellen White may be true!

[Amo]

I leave you to your insistence that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was not really a man. According as your church teaches in the doctrine of The Immaculate Conception. You may of course continue to Babyl-on.

[Cathlodox]

I leave you to your insistence that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was not really a man. According as your church teaches in the doctrine of The Immaculate Conception. You may of course continue to Babyl-on.

You're answer isn't relevant to the question I asked you Amo...
...The Bible says Christ sinning wasn't an option, whatsoever.
...Ellen White said Christ sinning WAS an option.

You built your doctrine on what Ellen said, not what the Bible said...
...Therefore, you are not "Bible Only".
...So much for the SDA creed of the Bible as their only creed.
...LOL.

[Hobie]

Need to understand what Hebrews 4 tells us..

Hebrews 4:14-16
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.