Nailed to the cross

[Jaime]

I invite any and all discussion.

[Jaime]

Per the SCRIPTURES, WHAT WAS  nailed to the cross?

[4WD]

Rom 7:12  So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.

Col 2:13  And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses,
Col 2:14  by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

Not the law, but the record of our sins of disobedience to the law.

[Jaime]

I think you are right 4WD. The KJV says:

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Can you or anyone else elaborate on the "handwriting of ordinances that was against us"? What were these? Were they present with Israel from centuries before? When were they put in place and where were they kept? We know the stone tablets, the 10 commandments were kept inside the Ark of the Covenant.

Deut 10:5
"Then I turned and came down from the mountain and put the tablets in the ark which I had made; and there they are, as the LORD commanded me."

Is there any Biblical reference WHERE the handwriting of ordinances was KEPT? I assume a scroll or book.

[Jaime]

Is there any Biblical reference WHERE the handwriting of ordinances was KEPT? I assume a scroll or book.

In Hebrews 9:3-4 tells where the 10 commandment tablets were kept:

3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;
4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

In Deuteronomy 31:24-26 Moses' handwritten book of laws and ordinances were kept BESIDE the Ark. AND were to be a witness against them.

24 ¶ It came about, when Moses finished writing the words of this law in a book until they were complete,
25 that Moses commanded the Levites who carried the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
26 "Take this book of the law and place it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may remain there as a witness against you.

Therefore in Col 2:14,  only the the handwritten ordinances held against us were nailed to the cross. NOT the 10 commandments.

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

[garee]

In Hebrews 9:3-4 tells where the 10 commandment tablets were kept:

3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;
4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

In Deuteronomy 31:24-26 Moses' handwritten book of laws and ordinances were kept BESIDE the Ark. AND were to be a witness against them.

24 ¶ It came about, when Moses finished writing the words of this law in a book until they were complete,
25 that Moses commanded the Levites who carried the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
26 "Take this book of the law and place it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may remain there as a witness against you.

Therefore in Col 2:14,  only the the handwritten ordinances held against us were nailed to the cross. NOT the 10 commandments.

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Amen Without parables that hide the spiritual understanding from the father of lies without parables Christ in us. . spoke he not . The signifed tongue of parables called the hidden manna In Revelation 2:17 .

Placed on the outside of the gold end Ark . Gold the hiding power. Read what is outside it hides us from the doctrines as oral traditions of dying mankind . it why they were written of both sides no room for the oral traditions of dying mnankind

[4WD]

I think you are right 4WD. The KJV says:

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Can you or anyone else elaborate on the "handwriting of ordinances that was against us"? What were these? Were they present with Israel from centuries before? When were they put in place and where were they kept? We know the stone tablets, the 10 commandments were kept inside the Ark of the Covenant.

Deut 10:5
"Then I turned and came down from the mountain and put the tablets in the ark which I had made; and there they are, as the LORD commanded me."

Is there any Biblical reference WHERE the handwriting of ordinances was KEPT? I assume a scroll or book.

The ESV translates that as "the record of debt"; the ISV has "the charges brought against us"; the NIV has "charge of our legal indebtedness".

There is no actual reference to a physical listing.  God's own mind is a sufficient repository for such a record.  On the other hand Revelation does speak of "the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done" (Rev 20:12-13).

Perhaps more to the point, Colossians 2:14 is speaking of the cancelling of record of debt (ESV) for those who have been saved.  There is no place where the  Law is said to be non-existent for those who have not been saved.  Paul makes the point that all who have not been saved are under a/the law (Rom 2:12-16).

[Jaime]

My point I intended was I had heard it argued all my life that the 10 commandments were nailed to the cross, which seemed odd to me in light of other scriptures. Colossians 2:14 says it was the handwriting of ordinances that was nailed to the cross, which were separate from the stone tablets and kept BESIDE the ark and not IN the Ark. they were two different things. Yes our sin debt was washed away by the blood of Jesus. The law that was taken away was the handwriting of ordinances. God's Moral Law, the 10 commandments remains, it seems to me. Jesus DID tweek the interpretation of God's Law in the Sermon on the Mount in Mathew 5 by re-iterating it is not just the LETTER of the Law as the Pharisees had PERVERTED (thereby effectively abolishing), but also the SPIRIT of the Law as God originally intended. Jesus was bringing to light the Law's original, deeper intent.

The various versions of Col 2:14 have contributed a lot of fodder for differing views and is pretty mind boggling.

https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Colossians%202%3A14

[Rella]

My point I intended was I had heard it argued all my life that the 10 commandments were nailed to the cross, which seemed odd to me in light of other scriptures. Colossians 2:14 says it was the handwriting of ordinances that was nailed to the cross, which were separate from the stone tablets and kept BESIDE the ark and not IN the Ark. they were two different things. Yes our sin debt was washed away by the blood of Jesus. The law that was taken away was the handwriting of ordinances. God's Moral Law, the 10 commandments remains, it seems to me. Jesus DID tweek the interpretation of God's Law in the Sermon on the Mount in Mathew 5 by re-iterating it is not just the LETTER of the Law as the Pharisees had PERVERTED (thereby effectively anomishjng), but also the SPIRIT of the Law as God originally intended. Jesus was bringing to light the Law's original, deeper intent.

The various versions of Col 2:14 have contributed a lot of fodder for differing views and is pretty mind boggling.

https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Colossians%202%3A14

WOW. Mind blowing is right. Ummmm glad we are not told to memorize all these.

[Jaime]

And we wonder why there are hundreds and hundreds of of different Christian denominations! One might surmise it was a ploy of the Great Deceiver! 🤔

[Rella]

And we wonder why there are hundreds and hundreds ofdifferent Christian denominations! One might surmise it was a ploy of the Great Deceiver! 🤔

You could be right. Or it could be from above as I often think of the Tower of Babel.

But one thing certain... even with a single denomination there are
divisions.

[Jaime]

You could be right. Or it could be from above as I often think of the Tower of Babel.

But one thing certain... even with a single denomination there are
divisions.

I was thinking it would be a great "divide and conquer" ploy.

[Jaime]

I had struggled with what the heck was the handwriting of ordinances UNTIL I stumbled upon the passage in Deuteronomy 31:24-36 that defined it  AND told where these handwritings were kept. Most times the Old Testiment is the best interpretor of the New Testament! Who knew? 🧐