Part 4 - Recapturing The Vocabulary Of The Holy Spirit

[Reformer]

Recapturing The Vocabulary Of The
HOLY SPIRIT
[Part 4 - Finale]

Let us not conclude that the KJV is the only biblical Version containing errors. True, it is among the worst, however. I use the English Standard Version a big part of the time. It is among the up-to-date Versions. But its errors are quite detectable.

Take I Corinthians 14:34 of the ESV, "As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silent in the churches." The Greek renders "congregation" or "assembly" in both places where "churches" is used. The passage should read, "As in all congregations of the saints, the women should keep silent in your assemblies." (P. S. In Paul's day, women speaking in public meetings was a cultural negative.) In issuing rules, Paul says, "This is my rule in all the churches" (I Cor. 7:17). Again, this should read, "This is my rule in all the congregations."

Here's another sample of the partisan hang-up of translators and publishers. On the passage cited above, the New International Version reads, "As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches." This passage is half valid and half invalid—or half correct and half incorrect, for "congregations" convey the Greek ekklesia, but "churches" do not. "Churches" is an absolute and fallacious translation.

On another term, I commend the English Standard Version's correction of "Easter" in Acts 12:4. It is replaced by "Passover," the correct translation. And since we're addressing "Easter," allow me to add a little history.

As a youngster in the Appalachian Mountains of Eastern Kentucky, I was introduced to "Easter" annually, as were a lot of other youngsters. On each Easter, our church's adults would hide colored eggs and turn us loose to "unearth" them. To us kids, this was the nucleus of Easter. To Christian adults, however, the resurrection of a Man called Jesus took the center stage. Those unbelievers in the mountains who took no delight or interest in Jesus were at least exposed to what the religious holiday meant to others. That, in itself, was a proclamation of the Gospel message, "He has risen!"

After growing up and becoming an independent thinker, I discovered the origin of "Easter" had pagan roots. According to credible sources, "Easter" stemmed from Eastre, a pagan goddess, and denotes a pagan festival, while the Greek pascha refers to the Jewish Passover. Rome's Vatican borrowed "Easter" from the pagans, dressed it up with a few eccentric solemnities, and began to celebrate it as a holy day. Protestants then acquired the "holy day" from the Papacy.

Why did King James' translators translate the Greek pascha "Easter"? It was because the King, who was also Head of The Established Church of England, instructed his translators, "The old ecclesiastical words to be kept, as the word church not to be translated congregation." Among those ecclesiastical words was "Easter."

The King insisted that all ecclesiastical terms be retained. "Church," "Easter," "baptize," and "Bishop" were a few of his preferences. The Greek for "baptize" is "baptizo," and it relates to dipping or immersing—never sprinkling. King James was King and Head of The Established Church of England. To permit his translators to deliver the Greek ekklesia correctly would have placed him in the position of being King and Head of a mere congregation! Apparently, he wanted no part of that. And since "Easter" was an integral part of the King's Church, the term was substituted for "Passover."

It should be strongly emphasized that none of these errors in our English Bibles erases or changes the historical fact that Jesus died on a Roman tree, was buried, and three days later, Jewish time, resurrected. And this is the most beautiful and fascinating part of the Good News. He has risen! This I believe, and this I proclaim.

[garee]

A little background. The time of the first century reformation had come(Hebrew 9). Our Holy Father as King of earthly kings, unseen Lord of earthly lord, the heavenly Holy Abba Father of earthly fathers. The achiest Jew had become jealous of the sounding Pagan nations (Out of sight out of mind)  No faith or understanding coming from our Holy Father .Our Holy Father Christ calls fools .

The period of time when there was kings in Israel (abomination) Believer as a kingdom of priest are the living temple---- Christ in us the hope of His glory

God does not no dwell in stone houses made with the dying hands as a will of mankind.

Then all the faithless "no faith" as it is written  Jewish men club. Jewish women were not allowed to participate in the ceremonial shadows A 15 foot high wall separated .And another high wall separated male and female gentiles .

The gospel explosion the walls came down a joyful time like never before or even again a terrible tribulation to the Jew that was hoping his dying flesh could profit for something .

Mixed families living apart could now come together as one new nation the  Christian body. Much confusion .God was still bringing new prohecy  The husbands and wives were needed to wait until they when home so new prophecy could continue .two or three at a time       


1 Corinthians 14:29-40 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. Let all things be done decently and in order.

It would seem the silence was in respect to both the husband and wife. 


New prophecy was cut off with the last revelation to John . One new ceremonial shadow was given to look ahead to the wedding supper in our new bodies  (1 Corinthians 11) a Nazarene vow .

The restoring to the proper unseen headship Christ. Adam the husband failed to protect his wife.. . . today women that represent mankind (church)are preachers .

Sends them out (apostles)Husbands with Wives two by two .Just like the dynamic Duo the Holy Father and son of man Jesus team . Team Jesus   

[Reformer]

Thank you, garee, for your comments.

[4WD]

Reformer,
I am still at a loss as to why you are so adamantly antagonistic to the word "church". The word in English can carry different connotations and meanings depending upon the usage.  Biblically the word church can mean the congregation of a local town of region; or it can mean the body of Christ, i.e., the whole contingent of saints, alive or dead.

[garee]

Reformer,
I am still at a loss as to why you are so adamantly antagonistic to the word "church". The word in English can carry different connotations and meanings depending upon the usage.  Biblically the word church can mean the congregation of a local town of region; or it can mean the body of Christ, i.e., the whole contingent of saints, alive or dead.

Two or three gather under sola scriptura. The church, a family Christ is there.

When two or more gather as multiple families.  It is a sign to the unbelieving world drawing them to the living word. Not a sign pointing to themselves like that called (strange fire) offered by Aarons two sons.  Only God not seen received the glory


 

[4WD]

Two or three gather under sola scriptura. The church, a family Christ is there.

When two or more gather as multiple families.  It is a sign to the unbelieving world drawing them to the living word. Not a sign pointing to themselves like that called (strange fire) offered by Aarons two sons.  Only God not seen received the glory

That has nothing to do with my question to Reformer (Buff}. So why did you quote me in that post?

[garee]

That has nothing to do with my question to Reformer (Buff}. So why did you quote me in that post?

We were  looking at the word church. Defined as two or three that gather under the hearing of Christ faithfulness.

Two or three, a family nation, tribe. Christ working in us.

God does not live in building made with stone by the dying hands as a will of mankind . ( abomination of desolation)

When more than one family (church) gather together it makes up a ceremonial law as shadow a sign to the unbelieving word .

Believer have prophecy until the end of time . In that way all the glory goes to our unseen Holy Father. Unlike Aarons two sons being baptized to enter the ministry. They added to scripture in a attempt of making it all about there own dying Jewish flesh .The fire consumed them not a hint of smoke on the ceremonial attire .
 
Isaiah 8:12 Say ye not, A confederacy, to all them to whom this people shall say, A confederacy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid.

Today we are to beware of the confederacy or those of the number. Outwardly  comparing themselves by themselves and not comparing themselves according the Bible the source of Christ powerful "let there be" faith 

2 Corinthians 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.




 

[4WD]

We were  looking at the word church.

I know what the word church means.  Why don't you address Reformer rather than me?

[Reformer]

Reformer,
I am still at a loss as to why you are so adamantly antagonistic to the word "church". The word in English can carry different connotations and meanings depending upon the usage.  Biblically the word church can mean the congregation of a local town of region; or it can mean the body of Christ, i.e., the whole contingent of saints, alive or dead.

4WD, did the Holy Spirit issue "church" when He inspired the apostles to write/publish what He issued?

[4WD]

4WD, did the Holy Spirit issue "church" when He inspired the apostles to write/publish what He issued?

Of course not. But then the Holy Spirit didn't issue "congregation" or "assembly" or "company" or "called out ones" any other English word you might prefer.  The Holy Spirit inspired them to write ἐκκλησία [ekklēsia]. Maybe you should pull a King James and transliterate it to something never before used in English.  Maybe changing it to something like "eklaseen" or something similar would solve your problem.

As it stands, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the word church.

Consider the following from Etymology World Online:

The English word "church" originates from the Old English word "cirice," which in turn comes from the Late Old Saxon "kirika" and ultimately from the Greek word "kyriakē" (κυριακή).

Meaning

The original Greek word "kyriakē" means "Lord's Day" or "belonging to the Lord." It was used to refer to the first day of the week, which was considered a day of rest and worship for Christians.

Over time, the term "kyriakē" came to be applied to the place where Christians gathered for worship, and eventually it evolved into the English word "church," which refers to both the physical building and the congregation of believers who gather there.

Origin

The concept of the church as a place of Christian worship originated in the Jewish tradition of the synagogue. Early Christian communities would often meet in synagogues, but as the Christian movement grew and separated from Judaism, they began to establish their own designated meeting places.

The first Christian churches were typically simple structures, often located in homes or other converted buildings. As Christianity spread and gained acceptance, more elaborate churches were built, becoming important architectural and cultural landmarks.

Throughout its history, the church has played a central role in Christian life, serving as a place of worship, community, and spiritual guidance. It has also been a source of education, social welfare, and artistic inspiration.

[garee]

The original Greek word "kyriakē" means "Lord's Day" or "belonging to the Lord." It was used to refer to the first day of the week, which was considered a day of rest and worship for Christians.

Thanks very interesting. The day of rest. The lamb slain on the sixth day--- on the seventh the Holy Father entered eternal rest.

In order to outwardly demonstrate he prophecies in two places of a three day and night demonstration. Three different kinds of demonstrations. Belly of whale--- Heart of earth.  The heart of the earth the bloody cross one demo, the garden Gethsemane the first and the tomb demonstration the last.

The Holy Father rolling back the stone. The dawning of the new era of sabbaths The first day .the "Let there be"---- a new born again day .

The day of the Sun representing  the glory of the Holy Father. His son of man Jesus a reflection of the glory like the moon.