The Words 'sin nature' in Scripture

[Dave...]

Romans 7:18 and Galatians 5:17 Neither one actually says "sin nature' in the Greek. These words never appear together in Scripture as far as a I know.

No doubt, we're naturally in bad shape separated from God, but is the term 'sin nature' misleading in any way as to the truth of our natural state as it is being taught in Scripture?

Is it really a nature?

[4WD]

Romans 7:18 and Galatians 5:17 Neither one actually says "sin nature' in the Greek. These words never appear together in Scripture as far as a I know.

No doubt, we're naturally in bad shape separated from God, but is the term 'sin nature' misleading in any way as to the truth of our natural state as it is being taught in Scripture?

Is it really a nature?

The concept has been developed to support the false doctrine of Original Sin. The doctrine of Original Sin is false and all that derives from it is false.

[garee]

The concept has been developed to support the false doctrine of Original Sin. The doctrine of Original Sin is false and all that derives from it is false.

Amen, original sin death by the letter (thou shall not or you are deader than fried chicken) Living in dying earthen bodies carrying out the law (death

Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter(death); whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

[Dave...]

The concept has been developed to support the false doctrine of Original Sin. The doctrine of Original Sin is false and all that derives from it is false.

We are dead in Adam, and live in Christ, no? What we inherited from Adam is a separation from God. I believe that we are incapable of doing anything good by righteous standards without the Spirit of God, but, we are capable of responding to the Gospel. The idea of a sin nature seems to carry with it the inability to have a desire to want to be saved. I disagree with that. Anyways, Paul....

Romans 5:10-21 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation. Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned-- (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man's offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification. For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.) Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous. Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

[Dave...]

Paul says here...

Romans 2:14-15 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)

Maybe their motives are tainted, thus "there are none righteous, no not one", but their desire (if it's possible for motive and desire to be different), wants to do what is good. Isn't that what Paul is saying here?...

Romans 7: 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.

[Dave...]

This is how I see it.

Basically, I think that God cannot deny Himself, so we could not be made inherently good, like Him. The next best thing is that we were created/made dependent on God as the source of good. Adam and Eve had that being with God. Plus they were protected from sin in ignorance of good and evil. Adam falls, that's a separation from God, Who alone is good. The vine, Who without we can do nothing, for what do we have that we did not receive? The gifts, anything good that comes from us for the Church, is the fruit of the Spirit. So, inheriting a separation from that source of good, God alone, is inheriting a separation from being able to be plugged into God, Who alone is good. Jesus bridges the gap, allowing us to be plugged in again. So, that's the separation, that we call sin nature.

[4WD]

Paul says here...

Romans 2:14-15 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)

Maybe their motives are tainted, thus "there are none righteous, no not one", but their desire (if it's possible for motive and desire to be different), wants to do what is good. Isn't that what Paul is saying here?...

Romans 7: 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.

What Paul is saying is that all mankind is subject to law, even if it is not the law of Moses. And no one keeps the law perfectly.

[4WD]

We are dead in Adam, and live in Christ, no? What we inherited from Adam is a separation from God. I believe that we are incapable of doing anything good by righteous standards without the Spirit of God, but, we are capable of responding to the Gospel. The idea of a sin nature seems to carry with it the inability to have a desire to want to be saved. I disagree with that. Anyways, Paul....

No we did not inherit separation from God from Adam.  The only thing we inherited from Adam was our physical being.  Our "separation" from God resulted from our own sin, not Adam's.

We are certainly capable of doing good.  What no one has done or ever will do is doing only good and never doing anything bad.  All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Rom 3:23). It is that sin that separates us from God.

[garee]

What Paul is saying is that all mankind is subject to law, even if it is not the law of Moses. And no one keeps the law perfectly.

The law of Moses what the eyes see the temporal used in a parable the land representing the forever and ever new heaven and earth

Deuteronomy 34:3-5King James Version And the south, and the plain of the valley of Jericho, the city of palm trees, unto Zoar.And the Lord said unto him, This is the land which I sware unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, saying, I will give it unto thy seed: I have caused thee to see it with thine eyes, but thou shalt not go over thither.So Moses the servant of the Lord died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the Lord.

Moses to represent the writen law what the eyes see the letter death

Using it to show two kinds of jews ones that identify outwardlt the other fid in the parable inwardly invisible . The inviacle power of Chrsit working in the heart of born agin belivers

Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Faith the invisible strengthening power of God our Holy Father.

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

No one other than Christ who does dwell in sons of God has the perfect "Let there be" and "it was good Power"

[Dave...]

What Paul is saying is that all mankind is subject to law, even if it is not the law of Moses. And no one keeps the law perfectly.

I know what he's saying, but look at what he's saying in the emboldened part. What happened to this forum?

[4WD]

I know what he's saying, but look at what he's saying in the emboldened part. What happened to this forum?

Why don't you tell us what it is that you are looking for. What about the emboldened part are you having trouble with?

[garee]

What Paul is saying is that all mankind is subject to law, even if it is not the law of Moses. And no one keeps the law perfectly.

Yes subject to the "Let there be" law of faith--- Christ in us ---the unseen eternal perfect.

[4WD]

What happened to this forum?

What do you think happened to this forum?  Do you see something wrong with this forum?

[Rella]

We are dead in Adam, and live in Christ, no? What we inherited from Adam is a separation from God.

Why do you suppose God put creation into being with "separation" from Him as part of thing from the get go?


 I believe that we are incapable of doing anything good by righteous standards without the Spirit of God, but, we are capable of responding to the Gospel. The idea of a sin nature seems to carry with it the inability to have a desire to want to be saved.

It certainly seems so by the decadance that the majority are living their lives as if there will be no consequences....However.... many of these people do believe they are saved, as well as others they know .
It seems like an automatic belief... and I fault not only the churches
who are afraid to say anything lest they lose out on the almighty $
but John Q Public who is too afraid to open their mouths and teach and preach from their bully pulpits lest they lose a friend or even family.
Would not surprise me that these will be judge more harshly then those who are simply gliding through life
 I disagree with that. Anyways, Paul....

Romans 5:10-21 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation. Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned-- (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man's offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification. For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.) Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous. Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

[garee]

[4WD]

We are dead in Adam, and live in Christ, no?

NO! We are not dead in Adam.

What we inherited from Adam is a separation from God.

Again, NO!  The only thing we inherited from Adam was our being human.

I believe that we are incapable of doing anything good by righteous standards without the Spirit of God, but, we are capable of responding to the Gospel. The idea of a sin nature seems to carry with it the inability to have a desire to want to be saved. I disagree with that. Anyways, Paul....

The bible never says that we are incapable of doing anything good by righteous standards.  Rather, if says that no one has ever done everything good by righteous standards.