When was Abraham justified

[Dave...]

Ah...this is one of David's parallelisms.  This one is also linked to 'in whose spirit is no deceit.'  Shall we also apply that to Abraham?  Probably not - David is speaking in generalities rather than talking about Abraham here.

Abraham is included in that generality, that was my point. Abraham is not saved in some other way, a super extra special way, he's saved just like every other OT believer. My point was that sin being covered, is equated by David with sin not being imputed. So the idea that Abraham had no sin (BTW, Scripture records Him sinning), is not Biblical.

"because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws."

The way you've read things from the NT backwards into the OT has resulted in you accusing Abraham of sin in a way that is kind of uncomfortable and makes me suspect something's gone a bit wrong.

LOL Really?

It also isn't necessary.  Genesis tells us what happened - Abraham believed God and it was imputed to him for righteousness.

And he died having not received the promises owed to Him because Abraham, listed  as one of the heroes who.....were not yet made prefect, meaning justified.

Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

I think maybe you're overcomplicating things, and Abraham kind of got dragged into you making a point?

Again, is Abraham saved in some extra special way that the rest of us do not know about? If so, then He has something to boast about, right? He's saved in Christ, just like everyone else. He's even listed among the other heroes of faith in Hebrews 11 as not yet perfected along with the rest until, the cross.

Dave 

[4WD]

Again, is Abraham saved in some extra special way that the rest of us do not know about? If so, then He has something to boast about, right? He's saved in Christ, just like everyone else. He's even listed among the other heroes of faith in Hebrews 11 as not yet perfected along with the rest until, the cross.

Dave 

Abraham was saved just like everyone else, both before and after the cross.  The difference is that the effect of the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross was retroactively applied to all those saved before the cross.

The OT saints were saved; it is just that the debt, the punishment, for their sins had not been paid.  When they died, they entered paradise just as do the NT [new covenant] saints when we die. We and they after death reside in the intermediate state of paradise until Christ returns at the end of the age and the final destinations of both saved and lost are established.

[Dave...]

Abraham was saved just like everyone else, both before and after the cross.  The difference is that the effect of the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross was retroactively applied to all those saved before the cross.

The OT saints were saved; it is just that the debt, the punishment, for their sins had not been paid.  When they died, they entered paradise just as do the NT [new covenant] saints when we die. We and they after death reside in the intermediate state of paradise until Christ returns at the end of the age and the final destinations of both saved and lost are established.

But that justification, that salvation, was retroactive only in promise, not in reality, as I have already shown. That's why it was a promise. It had to happen. OT high Priest did not enter the Holy of Holies on credit. Blood needed to be spilt. That's why the curtain tore down the middle in the Temple at the exact same time Jesus died on the cross. That promise is realized in and through the promised "Seed", Jesus. That's why God was approached in Tabernacles and Temples in the OT, and after Christ's death, He came to actually live in believers with the indwelling Holy Spirit. The baptism with the Holy Spirit did not begin until Pentecost. That's what places a believer in Christ. Without being in Christ, we're not justified or born again. There must be a death and resurrection, and then Jesus being glorified.

A question that you need to ask yourself is do you trust in the Bible for truth, or a system created to replace the Bible? Because I've given you a lot of Scripture that contradicts your statements here, and like most Calvinists, you push it aside as if it were nothing, for the sake of the system. Isn't that Scripture that you're continually pushing aside starting to pile up high? I know it is, because I hit that same crossroads myself and refused to allow this error in my understanding of Scripture. That's where few people, including most reformed people are willing to go. What you do at this point is either what a Truth seeker does, that's a Jesus seeker, or what an idolater does, that being building a god in your own image, and pushing that truth (Jesus) aside for a system.

Hebrews 9:15-17 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.

Your answer is right there in Hebrews 9:15-17 

you may want to also check out Hebrews 9:22-28,10:1, 10:9-21

Hebrews 10:18"Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin." That means if the OT believers sins were already forgiven, there is no longer an offering needed for them. There is no retroactive remission in reality, only in promise.

The "passing over the sins previously committed" of Romans 3:25-26 does not mean that they were already justified, it means that God put a hold on his judgment until atonement could actually be made. God withholds judgement because they were not yet made perfect and justified, legally. There was nothing to justify them yet, so there sin was covered, passed over, until actual atonement could be made.