Spank Me Please Mommy and Daddy!

[Bon Voyage]

Hey... Gary... it must be the language barrier... We speak English here in the US.   

I think that even you know the difference between a smack on the bottom and a beating with a belt or rod surely.
Insults wont  make any difference, you need to admit to the fact that you beat your children (some of you) and be honest about it. if you think it is Biblical them why do you try to denay it or make it sound more palatable?

You are being insulting by implying that others are being dishonest.

[kensington]

"I think thats good that you hardly ever smacked two of your children, it shows that it isnt really necessary.
The ones that trouble me are the ones who repeatedly use instruments such as belts rods sticks to hit/beat (or whatever it is called) their children."


It's called loving your child enough to care about their souls while there is time.  And you CAN NOT possibly know what is or isn't really necessary when it comes to my kids. 

You keep saying "I think"... and you added "The ones that trouble me"....  Like it is your opinion that is the bottom line for us all.  It's not.  I don't need you to tell me what you think is "good"... I have a Bible, I read it... I have a God whom I follow and who's instruction I love.  "

You are just another someone who judged what you do not know.   Why do you set yourself up as above others in deed?  Why do you imply that what you approve of, is what we should be doing?  It is insulting.

[kensington]

Daggnabbit!  My son did not clean his room again.... NOW I am going to have to BEAT him!   

OH THE HUMANITY!!   

[Imabear]

Peeps become a little hot tempered when it comes to certain things...  religion, politics, how we raise our kids...
 
Where's the love?

[kensington]

I LOVE my kids...    ... Does that count?

[chosenone]

"I think thats good that you hardly ever smacked two of your children, it shows that it isnt really necessary.
The ones that trouble me are the ones who repeatedly use instruments such as belts rods sticks to hit/beat (or whatever it is called) their children."


It's called loving your child enough to care about their souls while there is time.  And you CAN NOT possibly know what is or isn't really necessary when it comes to my kids. 

You keep saying "I think"... and you added "The ones that trouble me"....  Like it is your opinion that is the bottom line for us all.  It's not.  I don't need you to tell me what you think is "good"... I have a Bible, I read it... I have a God whom I follow and who's instruction I love.  "

You are just another someone who judged what you do not know.   Why do you set yourself up as above others in deed?  Why do you imply that what you approve of, is what we should be doing?  It is insulting.

Thats why I say 'in my opinion'. Thats just what it is, my opinion, and not set in stone for everyone.
My kids are saved and believe and love Jesus, so they are saved in the only way we can be saved, through Jesus, and of  course I care about their souls.
The only thing I was trying to say is that there are ways to show loving discipline apart from physically hitting them.Just because I dodnt think that hitting them helps doesnt mean that I dont care about them or havent shown them Gods love and correction.
It has been implied that I dont care enough about them or their souls to use physical punishment. My adult children are a testament to not needing to do this. With consistant loving correction and rules and bondaries set, it really isnt neccessary. There are other ways.

 

[kensington]

You know you are really getting on my nerves with that junk.   You imply we are criminals for spanking or liars.... 

You speak as though your parenting skills are perfected... "My adult children are a testament to not needing to do this. With consistant loving correction and rules and bondaries set, it really isnt neccessary. There are other ways."

"you need to admit to the fact that you beat your children (some of you) and be honest about it. if you think it is Biblical them why do you try to denay it or make it sound more palatable?"

To say "IF" you think it is Biblical??  HELLO ... you are in denial, it is biblical, it's in the BIBLE, that is what makes it BIBLICAL... which I am beginning to think you don't read when you add this thread with what you say on marriage.... 

But, fine... you have found your own way to perfection other than submission to the word of GOD.  It's MY OPINION that your condescending tone is just plain irritating to say the least...  I imagine that you are so Holy that your friends see a glow come from you when you walk down the street.  How nice.

Your adult kids are not the ONLY adult kids in the world...   As much as that may SURPRISE you...  there are many many others who can attest to the Biblical way being right.  So give it a rest. 

BTW... if you are going to use words like "boundaries", "consistent", and "necessary" to lecture on the parenting skills of others.. you really should learn to spell them. 

[chosenone]

You know you are really getting on my nerves with that junk.   You imply we are criminals for spanking or liars.... 

You speak as though your parenting skills are perfected... "My adult children are a testament to not needing to do this. With consistant loving correction and rules and bondaries set, it really isnt neccessary. There are other ways."

"you need to admit to the fact that you beat your children (some of you) and be honest about it. if you think it is Biblical them why do you try to denay it or make it sound more palatable?"

To say "IF" you think it is Biblical??  HELLO ... you are in denial, it is biblical, it's in the BIBLE, that is what makes it BIBLICAL... which I am beginning to think you don't read when you add this thread with what you say on marriage.... 

But, fine... you have found your own way to perfection other than submission to the word of GOD.  It's MY OPINION that your condescending tone is just plain irritating to say the least...  I imagine that you are so Holy that your friends see a glow come from you when you walk down the street.  How nice.

Your adult kids are not the ONLY adult kids in the world...   As much as that may SURPRISE you...  there are many many others who can attest to the Biblical way being right.  So give it a rest. 

BTW... if you are going to use words like "boundaries", "consistent", and "necessary" to lecture on the parenting skills of others.. you really should learn to spell them. 

In case you havent noticed, it is you that is consistantly putting me down actually, and being rude about me, but thats ok, I cant stop you doing that.
I am definately not holier than thou I can assure you, I am well aware that I need God and His sons forgiveness daily.
You accuse me of not obeying the Bible, well it is debateable as to what the Bible actually teaches about physical punishment, there are verses that seem to say the opposite of what you say.
So, if I dont spell a word right, that makes me wrong does it, and its ok to critisise me for that? You are making yourself out  to be holier than thou by implying that because you spell a certain word right and I may spell it wrong then you are somehow letter than me?
I think you may need to examine why you are so touchy about this subject. If you are so sure that you are doing the right thing then why are you so defensive?

Not sure what you mean about the marriage bit, but just to say I have the greatest guy in the world and we have a really fun, happy and blessed marriage. is that OK?   

[Bon Voyage]

Folks, please watch the tone.

[Bon Voyage]

Chosenone,

You have said you feel that the bible is debate-able on physical discipline of children being biblical and recommended.  I would appreciate it if you shared the verses that you believe makes this debate-able.

[chosenone]

Chosenone,

You have said you feel that the bible is debate-able on physical discipline of children being biblical and recommended.  I would appreciate it if you shared the verses that you believe makes this debate-able.

Ok Gary I will write the relevant verses and other stuff when I get time in the next few days. Some of them have already been posted on these forums, and many can be read on other internet sites, but I will write a few things here.

[zoonance]

Spanking adults.   There is a fetish.....

[kensington]

Spanking adults.   There is a fetish.....

Okay.... Who snitched??  When I was a kid, you could get spanked for being a tattle tale!

[zoonance]

If I apologize, will I skip the spankings!   (I don't get it but some people apparently get into that.  Maybe I should go home and spank the Mrs. and see what happens)

[kensington]

If I apologize, will I skip the spankings!   (I don't get it but some people apparently get into that.  Maybe I should go home and spank the Mrs. and see what happens)

Don't be surprised if you have to buy her something really EXPENSIVE afterward!  I know the big guy here comes prepared with gifts! 

[Bon Voyage]

Chuck Norris says spanking your kids is OK.

[chosenone]

Chuck Norris says spanking your kids is OK.

Forgive me for seeming ignorant but who is Chuck Norris(I am from the Uk, so maybe that is why I have never heard of him)

[Imabear]

Chuck Norris says spanking your kids is OK.

Forgive me for seeming ignorant but who is Chuck Norris(I am from the Uk, so maybe that is why I have never heard of him)

I'm a bit clueless myself, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Norris

If you go to www.Google.com and type in "Find Chuck Norris"  and then Click I'm Feeling Lucky, see what happens... :)

[chosenone]

Chuck Norris says spanking your kids is OK.

Forgive me for seeming ignorant but who is Chuck Norris(I am from the Uk, so maybe that is why I have never heard of him)

I'm a bit clueless myself, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Norris

If you go to www.Google.com and type in "Find Chuck Norris"  and then Click I'm Feeling Lucky, see what happens... :)

Thanks for that info!!!
Not sure is I am worried about what Chuck Norris says. he is heavily into Martial arts (nearly typed marital arts lol) and arent Christians suposed to keep away from martial arts???

[sopranette]

Chuck Norris says spanking your kids is OK.

Forgive me for seeming ignorant but who is Chuck Norris(I am from the Uk, so maybe that is why I have never heard of him)

I'm a bit clueless myself, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Norris

If you go to www.Google.com and type in "Find Chuck Norris"  and then Click I'm Feeling Lucky, see what happens... :)

Thanks for that info!!!
Not sure is I am worried about what Chuck Norris says. he is heavily into Martial arts (nearly typed marital arts lol) and arent Christians suposed to keep away from martial arts???

It's just a joke, Choseone.  It's a game we play here in the states.  Chuck Norris is most famous for playing the all American good guy. He has said he is a born again Christian, btw.

love,

Sopranette

[cristals mama]

Chuck Norris says spanking your kids is OK.

[OldDad]

arent Christians suposed to keep away from martial arts???

No.

[Imabear]

arent Christians suposed to keep away from martial arts???

No.

Don't some of the martial arts include New Age Philosophy or Eastern Religion?
I've heard people say that Christians shouldn't practice Yoga for that reason.
I personally believe it's possible to separate the two...
I guess this has nothing to do with spanking.  :)

[Charles Sloan]

arent Christians suposed to keep away from martial arts???

No.

Don't some of the martial arts include New Age Philosophy or Eastern Religion?
I've heard people say that Christians shouldn't practice Yoga for that reason.
I personally believe it's possible to separate the two...
I guess this has nothing to do with spanking.  :)

I agree with you, and I would have been one that cautioned Christians against yoga.

[chosenone]

arent Christians suposed to keep away from martial arts???

No.

Don't some of the martial arts include New Age Philosophy or Eastern Religion?
I've heard people say that Christians shouldn't practice Yoga for that reason.
I personally believe it's possible to separate the two...
I guess this has nothing to do with spanking.  :)

I think you do have to be very careful about what you are involved in with martial arts. There is a well known book (I have leant it out and cant remember what it is called) about a guy who was heavily involved in one of the martial arts, in fact he was the best in the world at one point, and how it affected him, and how he bacame a Christian and came to know its evil side. if I remeber its title I will post it , it is very mind blowing what it is really all about and scary stuff.

[djcasp]

the debatability (is that a word ? ) of spanking being biblical i think lies in the use of the Psalms and Proverbs as the basis for theological choices.  The genre of these books does not in some folks lend itself to making strong theological assertions outside of other verses backing it up.

gotta run now, i'll add my other 2.5c later

[Bon Voyage]

Chosenone,

You have said you feel that the bible is debate-able on physical discipline of children being biblical and recommended.  I would appreciate it if you shared the verses that you believe makes this debate-able.

Ok Gary I will write the relevant verses and other stuff when I get time in the next few days. Some of them have already been posted on these forums, and many can be read on other internet sites, but I will write a few things here.

Chosenone,

Will you be getting to the verses that make spanking "debatable?"

[chosenone]

Chosenone,

You have said you feel that the bible is debate-able on physical discipline of children being biblical and recommended.  I would appreciate it if you shared the verses that you believe makes this debate-able.

Ok Gary I will write the relevant verses and other stuff when I get time in the next few days. Some of them have already been posted on these forums, and many can be read on other internet sites, but I will write a few things here.

Chosenone,

Will you be getting to the verses that make spanking "debatable?"

will do.have been away and havent long been back so havent had a channce to do it yet!

[Bon Voyage]

BUMP

[chosenone]

BUMP

As I still havent had a chance to do this study, I suggest you look up the word used for 'rod' in a really good concordance and see where else in the Bible the word is used, it is amazing as it isnt used to mean an actual stick or rod at all, but a general rule of correction without hitting.

[the innate]

i think if you're still hitting your child at 4 years old then you're probably just a being a bad parent...
they should know your voice by then...
you can have a conversation with a four year old. spanking is being lazy or angry...


my mom tried spanking me at 14 while i was laughing at her... that was the last time... i now look at women like they're all suppose to be in charge and know what to do.... not the truth.


there are some very violent, vengeful people in this world who've learned it from their parents...

[jessbuds]

I agree spanking but not that hard spank. It should be in the butt and with precautions to discipline intention only otherwise the child will put grudge in his heart when he grow up. Of course parents should explain to children why he was spanked. 

[88]

Corporations draw attention from the small business, thus leaving said small business to rot in bankruptcy. It's a cold-hearted way of doing business if you ask me. I like to use the cancer analogy. Stealing nutrients from healthy cells in an egotistical, sociopathic way. Eventually killing the entire body. How decieving of those CEOs to do that to people. Especially Nike, moving to Indonesia where they only have to pay their workers 2 cents a day, leaving American workers unemployed, just to make a few extra bucks. Which they obviously don't need. That doesn't seem very Christian. More Satanic. Self righteous and justified only in greed.
If you're going to justify spanking with examples of succesful people, don't use the avarice dwelling, demeening, business *******.

I was thinking the same thing.  What on earth has CEO of corporations got to do with the price of fish and chips?   What a truly ridiculous thread, gauging the effectiveness of spanking by interviewing CEO's!!

Big deal.  Why don't you interview serial killers,  rapists, child molesters and the like and ask them if they were spanked?  You'll find that the majority of them were also administered physical punishment.    To say that the success of individuals to achieve CEO positions is due to them being spanked as children is laughable.  This reminds me of this idiom that demonstrates illogical fallacy.  I can't remember it exactly,  but it goes something like this:

I love picnics.
Ants love picnics.
Therefore I love ants.

Because a bunch of CEO's were spanked does not prove anything.  Like I said, you could find the same results for criminals.  I could start a thread saying:

"Let me watch tv mommy and daddy"

And then I could show the results of a survey that found that CEO's all had one thing in common.  They were all allowed to watch tv when they were children.   We of course can all see how ridiculous that is.  But then someone puts up an equally ridiculous thread with an equally spurious notion and most around here accept it.

Also, this nonsense of "punishment versus abuse".  Now don't get me wrong.  I believe that for very young children, a light swat of your hand on their backside suffices.  This is the only thing that young children respond to sometimes.  But that is all I believe in, nothing else.

What I find objectionable is some around here listing hitting children with various implements as "punishment not abuse".  Nobody has mentioned school corporal punishment.  And I don't care what anyone says, that was abuse plain and simple.

I still have burned in my memory one poor child holding out his hand whilst the teacher thrashed him 6 times with a  leather strap.  The screams and cries that followed I'll never forget.  If that is "appropriate  punishment" as defined by Christianity, then I'd dump Christianity in a flash.  Because I'll never agree with that.  I heard also horror stories from other kids in other schools that used the cane.  Apparently that hurt even more.

But I suppose that was all fair and "righteous",  wasn't it?

[anniejane]

I have spanked my kids as a last resort. I do it very rarely and it is effective as a last ditch effort to bring them in to line. But never in public (much as I would like to at times) as it is against the law here to smack at all, in any way.
The law was brought in due to the high rate of child abuse and mortality as a result of people bashing shildren. Unfortunately the number of deaths hasn't dropped due to the law change, and I didn't expect it too. The same people are still abusing their kids.
I do think that there is a difference btween spanking (smacking as it is known here) and beating a child. The sad thing is that not everyone has the same ideas about when they are overstepping the mark. Some people think that leaving their kids wounded and bruised after a round with the jug cord or a closed fist is ok. It is most definately not. It leaves physical and emotional scars that can affect that child forever.

[Bon Voyage]

I have spanked my kids as a last resort. I do it very rarely and it is effective as a last ditch effort to bring them in to line. But never in public (much as I would like to at times) as it is against the law here to smack at all, in any way.
The law was brought in due to the high rate of child abuse and mortality as a result of people bashing shildren. Unfortunately the number of deaths hasn't dropped due to the law change, and I didn't expect it too. The same people are still abusing their kids.
I do think that there is a difference btween spanking (smacking as it is known here) and beating a child. The sad thing is that not everyone has the same ideas about when they are overstepping the mark. Some people think that leaving their kids wounded and bruised after a round with the jug cord or a closed fist is ok. It is most definately not. It leaves physical and emotional scars that can affect that child forever.

Not spanking at all leaves even more scars generally.