U2's Bono

[janine]

"Religion can be the enemy of God.  It's often what happens when God, like
Elvis, has left the building.  A list of instructions where there was once
conviction; dogma where once people just did it; a congregation led by a man
where once they were led by the Holy Spirit.  Discipline replacing
discipleship."

[CSloan]

I thought this was an interesting video clip about Bono and U2.

http://goodfight.org/goodfight.org/u2.wmv

[janine]

Somehow I know exactly what that video will say before I even go look at it.

Yew R Sew Predikkybul. 

[marc]

I like the "discipline replacing discipleship" quote. It speaks to what I grew up with, unfortunately.  The emphasis was on what you do and don't do, and how you avoid doing anything that even looks like "the world" (a phrase that included those in other chruches).

(I am now stopping myself from writing a ten-page post that reveals way too much about my family.)

[ravenlorre]

Generally, I like Bono's music; I like his politics; I am not a big fan of his tendency to speak as a religious authority.

blessings

[Mere Nick]

I like the "discipline replacing discipleship" quote. It speaks to what I grew up with, unfortunately.  The emphasis was on what you do and don't do, and how you avoid doing anything that even looks like "the world" (a phrase that included those in other chruches).

(I am now stopping myself from writing a ten-page post that reveals way too much about my family.)

That just goes to show why we should drink beer.  We shouldn't run the risk of looking Islamic.

[marc]

I like the "discipline replacing discipleship" quote. It speaks to what I grew up with, unfortunately.  The emphasis was on what you do and don't do, and how you avoid doing anything that even looks like "the world" (a phrase that included those in other chruches).

(I am now stopping myself from writing a ten-page post that reveals way too much about my family.)

That just goes to show why we should drink beer.  We shouldn't run the risk of looking Islamic.

All week, everyone's been telling me I should drink beer.

[CSloan]

I like the "discipline replacing discipleship" quote. It speaks to what I grew up with, unfortunately.  The emphasis was on what you do and don't do, and how you avoid doing anything that even looks like "the world" (a phrase that included those in other chruches).

(I am now stopping myself from writing a ten-page post that reveals way too much about my family.)

That just goes to show why we should drink beer.  We shouldn't run the risk of looking Islamic.

All week, everyone's been telling me I should drink beer.

Don't listen, you don't need to drink beer to be safe from Islam.

[Jimbob]

I like the "discipline replacing discipleship" quote. It speaks to what I grew up with, unfortunately.  The emphasis was on what you do and don't do, and how you avoid doing anything that even looks like "the world" (a phrase that included those in other chruches).

(I am now stopping myself from writing a ten-page post that reveals way too much about my family.)

That just goes to show why we should drink beer.  We shouldn't run the risk of looking Islamic.

All week, everyone's been telling me I should drink beer.

So you've not been around Christians, then, huh?









(kidding, kidding, kidding....don't flame me folks)

[the J Man]

Wow, this thread rally got off topic real fast.

[Bon Voyage]

I like the "discipline replacing discipleship" quote. It speaks to what I grew up with, unfortunately.  The emphasis was on what you do and don't do, and how you avoid doing anything that even looks like "the world" (a phrase that included those in other chruches).

(I am now stopping myself from writing a ten-page post that reveals way too much about my family.)

That just goes to show why we should drink beer.  We shouldn't run the risk of looking Islamic.

All week, everyone's been telling me I should drink beer.

So you've not been around Christians, then, huh?









(kidding, kidding, kidding....don't flame me folks)

He's been around the more manly Christians from the days of yore.

[Jimbob]

I don't know that such would make them manly.  Samson took a teetotalin' Nazirite vow ya know.

[marc]

I'm less concerned with being manly than with another problem, but there's a whole 'nother thread talking about that problem already. 

[ConnieLard]

Since this conversation's already off track:  Marc, with the health problems I've heard you describe I can't imagine anyone telling you that you should be drinking beer.  It's full of sugar.  Not good for someone with diabetes.

[k-pappy]

"Religion can be the enemy of God.  It's often what happens when God, like
Elvis, has left the building.  A list of instructions where there was once
conviction; dogma where once people just did it; a congregation led by a man
where once they were led by the Holy Spirit.  Discipline replacing
discipleship."

That is absolutely awesome!

I am going to hang that quote in my stateroom and my office!

In Christ,
KP

[James Rondon]

I thought this was an interesting video clip about Bono and U2.

http://goodfight.org/goodfight.org/u2.wmv

"I stand with the sons of Cain." ~ Bono (cf. Jude 11)

[janine]

I don't care for Bono personally, I don't care for his politics, and I certainly don't shape my religious stances around what he says -- but a good quote is a good quote.

[the J Man]

I thought this was an interesting video clip about Bono and U2.

http://goodfight.org/goodfight.org/u2.wmv

"I stand with the sons of Cain." ~ Bono (cf. Jude 11)

And how U2 sings the song, "Sympathy for the devil." How can anyone have any sympathy for the devil?

[marc]

Since this conversation's already off track:  Marc, with the health problems I've heard you describe I can't imagine anyone telling you that you should be drinking beer.  It's full of sugar.  Not good for someone with diabetes.

Great.  You could have told me that before I finished off my second six-pack today!!!  

[CSloan]

I thought this was an interesting video clip about Bono and U2.

http://goodfight.org/goodfight.org/u2.wmv

"I stand with the sons of Cain." ~ Bono (cf. Jude 11)

And how U2 sings the song, "Sympathy for the devil." How can anyone have any sympathy for the devil?

Did you get a chance to check out They Sold Their Souls For Rock N' Roll (Video Series)?

[marc]

I thought this was an interesting video clip about Bono and U2.

http://goodfight.org/goodfight.org/u2.wmv

"I stand with the sons of Cain." ~ Bono (cf. Jude 11)

And how U2 sings the song, "Sympathy for the devil." How can anyone have any sympathy for the devil?

haven't heard them sing it--but have you listened to the lyrics?  The theme, if I get Mick & Keith right, is that if you want to see where the evil in this world is coming from, take a good look at yourself.

But I could be wrong....(it's not like the Stones have shied away from Satanic imagery).

[CSloan]

I thought this was an interesting video clip about Bono and U2.

http://goodfight.org/goodfight.org/u2.wmv

"I stand with the sons of Cain." ~ Bono (cf. Jude 11)

And how U2 sings the song, "Sympathy for the devil." How can anyone have any sympathy for the devil?

haven't heard them sing it--but have you listened to the lyrics?  The theme, if I get Mick & Keith right, is that if you want to see where the evil in this world is coming from, take a good look at yourself.

But I could be wrong....(it's not like the Stones have shied away from Satanic imagery).

If you would like to see it, watch the link. It isn't very long.

http://goodfight.org/goodfight.org/u2.wmv

[James Rondon]

Truthfully, is anyone really surprised that U2, the Rolling Stones, and other such bands are satanic?...

Have we become so enchanted by the world, that we have become blind to it?

[marc]

I don't want to watch the link.  I've seen such things since the seventies, and they're rarely accurate.  I could give you a list of distortions, misquotes, mischaracterizations and outright falsehoods made in the name of Christ by people wanting to save our souls from rock 'n' roll. 

Remember the idea that Anton Levay appeared on the cover of "Hotel California"?  That KISS stood for "knights in Satan's service"?  Ever heard the storyline of Springsteen's "The River" summarized as "he gets his girlfriend pregnant and doesn't care"? Led Zeppelin recorded "Here's to you my sweet Satan" backward on "Stairway to Heaven"?  (After ELO was accused of Satanic back-masking on "Eldorado", they did some real back-masking ("The music is reversable, time is not. Turn back. Turn back") on their next album to show how silly the concept that this was being done unnoticed was).

Any reason I should believe this one's any more accurate?

[the J Man]

Did you get a chance to check out They Sold Their Souls For Rock N' Roll (Video Series)?

Oh yes. I have watched that long ago. I have used www.goodfight.otg as a refernce to the corrupted music that Satan uses to reach the masses. That site has some good info about what is really behind some of the music that would seem harmless and innocent.

[the J Man]

Truthfully, is anyone really surprised that U2, the Rolling Stones, and other such bands are satanic?...

Have we become so enchanted by the world, that we have become blind to it?

Unfortunately that is true James. Many do not realize that these bands are satanically inspired. Many of these bands that have satanic imagery are very subtle at it. This is why they need to be exposed.

[CSloan]

I don't want to watch the link.  I've seen such things since the seventies, and they're rarely accurate.  I could give you a list of distortions, misquotes, mischaracterizations and outright falsehoods made in the name of Christ by people wanting to save our souls from rock 'n' roll. 

Remember the idea that Anton Levay appeared on the cover of "Hotel California"?  That KISS stood for "knights in Satan's service"?  Ever heard the storyline of Springsteen's "The River" summarized as "he gets his girlfriend pregnant and doesn't care"? Led Zeppelin recorded "Here's to you my sweet Satan" backward on "Stairway to Heaven"?  (After ELO was accused of Satanic back-masking on "Eldorado", they did some real back-masking ("The music is reversable, time is not. Turn back. Turn back") on their next album to show how silly the concept that this was being done unnoticed was).

Any reason I should believe this one's any more accurate?

Nobody's running records backwards to listen to Satanic message anymore. Now the message is loud and clear. But I really didn't expect you to be so closed minded about something like a 5 minute video clip. You judge for yourself if its a mischaracterization or not, but don't prejudge simply on personal prejudices.

[marc]

I don't want to watch the link.  I've seen such things since the seventies, and they're rarely accurate.  I could give you a list of distortions, misquotes, mischaracterizations and outright falsehoods made in the name of Christ by people wanting to save our souls from rock 'n' roll. 

Remember the idea that Anton Levay appeared on the cover of "Hotel California"?  That KISS stood for "knights in Satan's service"?  Ever heard the storyline of Springsteen's "The River" summarized as "he gets his girlfriend pregnant and doesn't care"? Led Zeppelin recorded "Here's to you my sweet Satan" backward on "Stairway to Heaven"?  (After ELO was accused of Satanic back-masking on "Eldorado", they did some real back-masking ("The music is reversable, time is not. Turn back. Turn back") on their next album to show how silly the concept that this was being done unnoticed was).

Any reason I should believe this one's any more accurate?

Nobody's running records backwards to listen to Satanic message anymore. Now the message is loud and clear. But I really didn't expect you to be so closed minded about something like a 5 minute video clip. You judge for yourself if its a mischaracterization or not, but don't prejudge simply on personal prejudices.

It's the same crowd.   

I see no need to listen to people who don't care how much falsehood they throw out in the hopes that there might be a shred of truth buried somewhere in it.  I believe lying is a sin.  these people have never apologized.  They get caught up in misstatements, but they never back down.

The Bible says, "I will set no unclean thing before my eyes."  So I refuse to watch this kind of stuff.

[James Rondon]

The Bible says, "I will set no unclean thing before my eyes."  So I refuse to watch this kind of stuff.

So then, are you willing to set unclean music before your ears?

[CSloan]

I don't want to watch the link.  I've seen such things since the seventies, and they're rarely accurate.  I could give you a list of distortions, misquotes, mischaracterizations and outright falsehoods made in the name of Christ by people wanting to save our souls from rock 'n' roll. 

Remember the idea that Anton Levay appeared on the cover of "Hotel California"?  That KISS stood for "knights in Satan's service"?  Ever heard the storyline of Springsteen's "The River" summarized as "he gets his girlfriend pregnant and doesn't care"? Led Zeppelin recorded "Here's to you my sweet Satan" backward on "Stairway to Heaven"?  (After ELO was accused of Satanic back-masking on "Eldorado", they did some real back-masking ("The music is reversable, time is not. Turn back. Turn back") on their next album to show how silly the concept that this was being done unnoticed was).

Any reason I should believe this one's any more accurate?

Nobody's running records backwards to listen to Satanic message anymore. Now the message is loud and clear. But I really didn't expect you to be so closed minded about something like a 5 minute video clip. You judge for yourself if its a mischaracterization or not, but don't prejudge simply on personal prejudices.

It's the same crowd.  

I see no need to listen to people who don't care how much falsehood they throw out in the hopes that there might be a shred of truth buried somewhere in it.  I believe lying is a sin.  these people have never apologized.  They get caught up in misstatements, but they never back down.

The Bible says, "I will set no unclean thing before my eyes."  So I refuse to watch this kind of stuff.

This seems to be something personal to you. Do you listen to much of this music they are exposing?

[the J Man]

The Bible says, "I will set no unclean thing before my eyes."  So I refuse to watch this kind of stuff.

So then, are you willing to set unclean music before your ears?

That says it all. Many don't want to hear the truth about it, which is why they hate sites like that. That is why they call those sites to be liars. They don't want the truth because they don't want to have to make the choice to get rid of those CD's and movies, video games, etc that they have.

[marc]

They're not exposing a thing; they're catering to their own prejudices.  This kind of thing gives Christianity a bad name.  That's why it's personal to me.  

Here are two quick reasons not to take this seriously (beyond the list of previous falsehoods I listed earlier):

1. They are focusing on Bono, who does more good with his money and fame than anyone else out there while writing intelligent lyrics, and citing the demon Rock 'n' Roll, or at least giving it the cover, while kids are filling their ears with filthy hip-hop that promotes crime and misogyny.  Rock 'n' Roll is grown-up's music these days, not kids' music. The music industry caters to 12-year-olds and produces endless, unlistenable drivel, not rock and roll, which is practially dead.  But these people still set up the painted devil and build a ministry around it.

2. This video is advertised right beside an "expose" of Harry Potter.  There's a whole thread on that elsewhere.

Fight the real enemy.  And I ain't talking about tearing up a picture of the Pope.

[marc]

The Bible says, "I will set no unclean thing before my eyes."  So I refuse to watch this kind of stuff.

So then, are you willing to set unclean music before your ears?

That says it all. Many don't want to hear the truth about it, which is why they hate sites like that. That is why they call those sites to be liars. They don't want the truth because they don't want to have to make the choice to get rid of those CD's and movies, video games, etc that they have.

Or maybe some of us just don't like being lied to.  Do the falsehoods I mentioned earlier bother you? 

[the J Man]

Or maybe some of us just don't like being lied to.  Do the falsehoods I mentioned earlier bother you? 

I have read through goodfight.org and have not seen false info about them. But concernign U2, all you would have to do is see the video for yourself. By seeing them sing "sympathy for the devil," and by listening to them sings, "I stand with the sons of Cain," speaks for itself. They show video clips of other musicians. By hearing them actually say that, you cannot call it false information. You hear it for yourself. Goodfight exposes lyrical content of musicians that are being used by Satan. It's what these musicians have in their lyrics that speaks for itself.

Concerning what you mentioned previosuly about the band "KISS." Ever notice that the "S' in KISS are zig zag shaped? Looks kinda like a lightning bolt? There is a satanic symbol called the "satanic lightning bolt." Also known as the satanic "S" of the satanic "Z." You see that symbol below the "P' in Potter for Harry Potter. Where did satanists get that symbol? It comes right from Luke10:18 where Jesus says, "Behold I saw Satan fall from Heaven like a lightning bolt."

[marc]

See? This is what I mean.  You're repeating nonsense.

I'm sorry, but this sort of stuff destroys the credibility of Christianity.  It diverts us from the real message and stains our witness.  We are too easily taken in, and people assume that if we jump at these fairy tales, seeing demons in corneres and interpreting symbols in mysterious ways, then maybe the other things that we say are true....


j-man, you need to be more aware of the enemy's schemes.  He's more subtle than you give him credit for being.