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Are all sins equal...

Started by Booty, Fri Mar 21, 2003 - 19:52:38

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Willie T

Sounds exactly right to me, Stan.

HRoberson

Anyone that thinks all sin is equal is smoking dope.


(is that still a phrase that people use?)

LightHammer

Quote from: HRoberson on Tue Aug 07, 2012 - 22:05:58
Anyone that thinks all sin is equal is smoking dope.


(is that still a phrase that people use?)

rofl

Stan53

Quote from: HRoberson on Tue Aug 07, 2012 - 22:05:58
Anyone that thinks all sin is equal is smoking dope.
(is that still a phrase that people use?)
Apparently it is. FYI, I used to but since I got saved in 1971 I haven't.
BTW, SIN is SIN.


HRoberson

Quote from: Stan53 on Tue Aug 07, 2012 - 22:26:17
Quote from: HRoberson on Tue Aug 07, 2012 - 22:05:58
Anyone that thinks all sin is equal is smoking dope.
(is that still a phrase that people use?)
Apparently it is. FYI, I used to but since I got saved in 1971 I haven't.
BTW, SIN is SIN.
Well yes, all sin is sin as all trees are trees.


But not all trees are equal, and neither are all sins.

Stan53

Quote from: HRoberson on Tue Aug 07, 2012 - 22:31:17
Quote from: Stan53 on Tue Aug 07, 2012 - 22:26:17
Quote from: HRoberson on Tue Aug 07, 2012 - 22:05:58
Anyone that thinks all sin is equal is smoking dope.
(is that still a phrase that people use?)
Apparently it is. FYI, I used to but since I got saved in 1971 I haven't.
BTW, SIN is SIN.
Well yes, all sin is sin as all trees are trees.


But not all trees are equal, and neither are all sins.

Sorry but that is non sequitur. In any event maybe you can give us a some scripture that supports your assertion rather than analogies from nature.

Lively Stone

Sins are equal in that should one person live out his whole life and only commit one sin, yet not be saved, that one sin would condemn him, just as much as the sinner who committed every sin in the book. All sinners will suffer the same end---perishing. The word tells us that should we break one commandment, we are guilty of breaking them all.

Luke 13:1-5
About this time Jesus was informed that Pilate had murdered some people from Galilee as they were offering sacrifices at the Temple. 2 "Do you think those Galileans were worse sinners than all the other people from Galilee?" Jesus asked. "Is that why they suffered? 3 Not at all! And you will perish, too, unless you repent of your sins and turn to God. 4 And what about the eighteen people who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them? Were they the worst sinners in Jerusalem? 5 No, and I tell you again that unless you repent, you will perish, too."


On the other hand, there are verses that teach us that there are sins that have a harsher penalty to them than others. One such passage is:

Matthew 10:14-15
14 If any household or town refuses to welcome you or listen to your message, shake its dust from your feet as you leave. 15 I tell you the truth, the wicked cities of Sodom and Gomorrah will be better off than such a town on the judgment day.

HRoberson

Quote from: Stan53 on Wed Aug 08, 2012 - 01:16:45
Quote from: HRoberson on Tue Aug 07, 2012 - 22:31:17
Quote from: Stan53 on Tue Aug 07, 2012 - 22:26:17
Quote from: HRoberson on Tue Aug 07, 2012 - 22:05:58
Anyone that thinks all sin is equal is smoking dope.
(is that still a phrase that people use?)
Apparently it is. FYI, I used to but since I got saved in 1971 I haven't.
BTW, SIN is SIN.
Well yes, all sin is sin as all trees are trees.


But not all trees are equal, and neither are all sins.

Sorry but that is non sequitur. In any event maybe you can give us a some scripture that supports your assertion rather than analogies from nature.
What exactly, is the logical fallacy in my statement? Once you've addressed that, perhaps I'll provide you some Scripture as though we need to play proof text games.

Stan53

Quote from: HRoberson on Wed Aug 08, 2012 - 13:05:33
Quote from: Stan53 on Wed Aug 08, 2012 - 01:16:45
Quote from: HRoberson on Tue Aug 07, 2012 - 22:31:17
Quote from: Stan53 on Tue Aug 07, 2012 - 22:26:17
Quote from: HRoberson on Tue Aug 07, 2012 - 22:05:58
Anyone that thinks all sin is equal is smoking dope.
(is that still a phrase that people use?)
Apparently it is. FYI, I used to but since I got saved in 1971 I haven't.
BTW, SIN is SIN.
Well yes, all sin is sin as all trees are trees.


But not all trees are equal, and neither are all sins.

Sorry but that is non sequitur. In any event maybe you can give us a some scripture that supports your assertion rather than analogies from nature.
What exactly, is the logical fallacy in my statement? Once you've addressed that, perhaps I'll provide you some Scripture as though we need to play proof text games.
You're comparing apples to oranges, so it can't be logical. This type of black mail is not very appealing either, but God gives MORE grace. To bad you think using the Bible to support your opinions is a game. This is how Christians at least, debate. Otherwise what's the point if we can't commit to God being the ultimate truth. Are we just supposed to take your drug smoking derisive comment as fact?

Willie T

I love all this "Logical Fallacy" some of us jump all over.  Don't you know God tells us, time and time again, that man's "Logic" will fail him?  Do you not know that even belief in God is illogical by man's standards?

Willie T

#115
Quote from: Stan53 on Wed Aug 08, 2012 - 15:41:57
Are we just supposed to take your drug smoking derisive comment as fact?
Hey.  THAT belittling remark COULD be reported to a moderator if someone was that kind of person to go running to Mommy for help.

Just sayin'.   We DO have rules to go by.

(a little of the pot calling the kettle, black?)

Nevertheless

Quote from: Willie T on Wed Aug 08, 2012 - 15:55:43
Quote from: Stan53 on Wed Aug 08, 2012 - 15:41:57
Are we just supposed to take your drug smoking derisive comment as fact?
Hey.  THAT belittling remark COULD be reported to a moderator if someone was that kind of person to go running to Mommy for help.

Just sayin'.   We DO have rules to go by.

(a little of the pot calling the kettle, black?)




Stan is referring to post #106 in this thread.


Quote from: HRoberson on Tue Aug 07, 2012 - 22:05:58
Anyone that thinks all sin is equal is smoking dope.


(is that still a phrase that people use?)

Willie T

#117
Same point, is it not?  I don't think it's right to say someone must be smoking pot, either, because we don't agree with them... whether roberson said it, or stan did, or I did.

HRoberson

Quote from: Stan53 on Wed Aug 08, 2012 - 15:41:57
Quote from: HRoberson on Wed Aug 08, 2012 - 13:05:33
Quote from: Stan53 on Wed Aug 08, 2012 - 01:16:45
Quote from: HRoberson on Tue Aug 07, 2012 - 22:31:17
Quote from: Stan53 on Tue Aug 07, 2012 - 22:26:17
Quote from: HRoberson on Tue Aug 07, 2012 - 22:05:58
Anyone that thinks all sin is equal is smoking dope.
(is that still a phrase that people use?)
Apparently it is. FYI, I used to but since I got saved in 1971 I haven't.
BTW, SIN is SIN.
Well yes, all sin is sin as all trees are trees.


But not all trees are equal, and neither are all sins.

Sorry but that is non sequitur. In any event maybe you can give us a some scripture that supports your assertion rather than analogies from nature.
What exactly, is the logical fallacy in my statement? Once you've addressed that, perhaps I'll provide you some Scripture as though we need to play proof text games.
You're comparing apples to oranges, so it can't be logical. This type of black mail is not very appealing either, but God gives MORE grace. To bad you think using the Bible to support your opinions is a game. This is how Christians at least, debate. Otherwise what's the point if we can't commit to God being the ultimate truth. Are we just supposed to take your drug smoking derisive comment as fact?
you're going to demonstrate the apples and oranges, aren't you?

HRoberson


Mere Nick

An adult once sinned by falsely accusing my daughter.  Someone else I know had their daughter sinned against by being murdered.  To say the two sins are equal is absurd.  If you said such to the parent of the murdered daughter and got punched out, well, you would have it coming.

Wycliffes_Shillelagh

Quote from: Willie T on Wed Aug 08, 2012 - 15:50:58
I love all this "Logical Fallacy" some of us jump all over.  Don't you know God tells us, time and time again, that man's "Logic" will fail him?  Do you not know that even belief in God is illogical by man's standards?
I find it ironic, then, that He called Himself "Logos."

All sins are definitely not equal:

1John 5:16-17    If any man see his brother sin a sin [which is] not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.  All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

Stan53

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Sun Aug 12, 2012 - 00:23:49
I find it ironic, then, that He called Himself "Logos."

All sins are definitely not equal:

1John 5:16-17    If any man see his brother sin a sin [which is] not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.  All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

This scripture deals with forgiveness, NOT equality. Jesus said the same thing in Matthew 12:30-32
30 "Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. A)'>31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. B)'>32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age C)'>or in the age to come."

Why pray, as John said, for a sin that leads to death?
BTW, I stopped following this thread, but it's been a slow day so I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in!

gbzone

Quote from: Mere Nick on Fri Aug 10, 2012 - 08:55:16
An adult once sinned by falsely accusing my daughter.  Someone else I know had their daughter sinned against by being murdered.  To say the two sins are equal is absurd.  If you said such to the parent of the murdered daughter and got punched out, well, you would have it coming.

The wages of sin is death. Still holds.
In THAT they are equal.
Sin is primarily against God. On both accounts it was sin against God.
Life is a gift not a right.
and therefore on that foundation if one takes the life of another then they will answer to God for it.
All lies are of the devil for he is the father of all lies. if you give your mouth to the devil your already in deep trouble.
Man will answer to God for every idle word we speak let alone  lies
We reap what we sow. We are to repent of not only what we do but also what we are.
if we do not then we shall bear the consequences. Death is but the door to them .
Adoolph |Hitlers torment is greater than most for instance.
His offence against God is dealing with the Jews and the all the rest and all that he sowed for destruction. testyfies of it in some measure what he has now reaped.
What is acceptable in a little child. is not acceptable in a tot and what is acceptable or allowed rather in a tot is not in a young child.What is allowed in a young child is not acceptable in a teenager. Nor a young man or an adult  and even to a wise man folly is as a fly in the ointment.
Yte do not think like some religionists that there are mortal and venal sins.
ALL sisn are mortal in that they brign death.
To some thier sins which are many weigh upon them as if they had a ping pong ball in thier pocket.
To others its a great weight on their back.
The reality of both is still the same .Its just the perceptions that are different. it woud lhave to be said that the one who feels the weight has potentialy more hope than the one who is oblivios to them.
I would not wish to belittle  the seriosness of the crime of Murder. and dont think I am.
But the truth is that the one who committed murder if they repented and found peace with God may still pay the penalty of the crime even as one of the theives did.But woiudl gain the promsie of heaven and salvation.
On the other hand. The other who deemed it a little thing  to bare false witness against the other and may seem to get away with it and do so in other ways all thier lives and never repents .Though you could say his sin was less he neverthless will find himself in hell.
In Christ
Gerald



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