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Why Won't Obama Release His Birth Certificate?

Started by admin, Tue Oct 07, 2008 - 22:39:03

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I've wondered about this and have looked into it and it is confusing. I don't understand why he wouldn't simply release his birth certificate. And that's why I've never brought it up--I thought he would. But since he's not...I'm wondering......why? It has got to be that it's because releasing it would cause him more harm than refusing to release it. And now one of his fellow Democrats has brought suit demanding he release his birth certificate claiming that Obama is not a natural born citizen and therefore not eligible for the Presidency. But the DNC is fighting against Obama having to release his birth certificate as have all other candidates of modern times. See the article below:

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The Democrat suing Sen. Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee for proof of Obama's American citizenship is outraged that his own party – rather than just providing the birth certificate he seeks – would step in to silence him by filing a motion to dismiss his lawsuit.

As WND reported, prominent Pennsylvania Democrat and attorney Philip J. Berg filed suit in U.S. District Court two months ago claiming Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen and therefore not eligible to be elected president. Berg has since challenged Obama publicly that if the candidate will simply produce authorized proof of citizenship, he'll drop the suit.

Berg told WND the longer the DNC tries to ignore his lawsuit or make it go away – instead of just providing the documents – the more convinced he is that his accusations are correct.

Despite assertions by the Washington Post, FactChecker.org and other organizations that Obama has produced a certified Hawaiian birth certificate, Berg told WND he remains "99.99 percent sure" that the certificate is a fake and he wants a court, not a website, to determine its validity.

Earlier last week, lawyers for Obama and the DNC filed a joint motion to dismiss Berg's lawsuit. The fact that the DNC joined in the dismissal request has Berg fuming, believing his party's leaders have ignored his pleas for proof in order to favor their chosen candidate over a rank-and-file constituent.

"I think it's outrageous," Berg said. "The Democratic National Committee should be ensuring the Democratic Party and the public that they have a qualified candidate up there. To file a joint motion is like they're in cahoots.

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If there's nothing to hide...why not release it? Why fight it?  ::pondering::


kensington

"I don't understand why he wouldn't simply release his birth certificate"

He was hatched?   ::shrug::

admin


admin

Is this not profoundly odd to anyone else? Clinton released his. Gore, Dukkasis, McGovern. This is just weird.

phoebe

This was new to me. I knew about the secrecy surrounding his college years, where he was, what he did, how it was paid, but not about this. I assumed it would be required by law to produce it and make it public.

Like I've been saying all along, just too much stuff we don't know about the man, too much important stuff we have a right and responsibility to know before allowing him the privilege of even attempting to be our leader.

sanctusivo

Quote from: admin on Tue Oct 07, 2008 - 22:39:03
I've wondered about this and have looked into it and it is confusing. I don't understand why he wouldn't simply release his birth certificate.

Dude, this is tin-foil-hat territory; see SUMMARY: Since we published Obama's birth certificate:



I don't like his policies, and I'm not voting for him, but I don't deny that he's a fellow American.

sopranette

Because the ink on it isn't dry yet?

love,

Sopranette

sanctusivo

Quote from: sopranette on Wed Oct 08, 2008 - 05:43:30
Because the ink on it isn't dry yet?

I know the response is meant to be funny, but, seriously, if this is what McCain supporters here and beyond are going to offer up in the next four weeks, true conservatism is going to be set back at least a generation.

sopranette


Cliftyman

Sanctisivo... that isn't a real photocopy of his birth certificate... its a mockup some of the DNC gave when asked for it.

To fulfill this request the folks requesting it need an approved photocopy or the real thing.

I don't believe thier is a conspiracy here but I have no idea why he won't release it... it makes him look guilty (though some believe he was born in Kenya... and since his father was not an American citizen that would be enough to keep him from becoming president under current laws, since if you were born on foreign soil you must have two American citizen parents to run for president, which was John McCain's case... he was born in Panama).

Jimbob

#10
I'm no conspiracy guy, but it is interesting that it's in a font that wasn't developed until 1982.  Just sayin'.  Does Hawaii not issue copies of originals, but new prints off the computer instead?  That's the only explanation that'd make sense to me, and you never no, it may well be the case.

spurly

Here's my theory.  He won't release his birth certificate, because on that birth certificate he has a different name.  Then people will want to know why he changed his name - and his Muslim roots will be revisited again.

poptart

What is all the chatter about 'releasing' a birth certificate?

Who exactly IS it that has the responsibility to validate the birth certificate of an individual who's running for prez?


Henry Kissinger?
Vince McMahon?
Rush?
Geraldo?
Jon Stewart?



Who the H is it?



Bon Voyage

Quote from: poptart on Wed Oct 08, 2008 - 09:12:10
What is all the chatter about 'releasing' a birth certificate?

Who exactly IS it that has the responsibility to validate the birth certificate of an individual who's running for prez?


Henry Kissinger?
Vince McMahon?
Rush?
Geraldo?
Jon Stewart?



Who the H is it?




Vince McMahon.

Cross-titled

Quote from: admin on Wed Oct 08, 2008 - 00:08:37
Is this not profoundly odd to anyone else? Clinton released his. Gore, Dukkasis, McGovern. This is just weird.

It's not "profoundly odd."  It's plain stupid.  What's profoundly odd is that you even bring it up.  That's what's "weird".

Get used to it.  Obama will be the next president and all this whining just makes people want to vote for him.

Bon Voyage

Obama is one of the pod people from the planet Dralax 4.  That is what Obama is hiding.

Jimbob


Bon Voyage

Quote from: jmg3rd on Wed Oct 08, 2008 - 09:57:45
Aren't all politicians?

Most are, in the words of a frequent "caller" to Glenn Beck's radio program, "lying liars who lie."

Jimbob

But if they are...uh...you know....elo...quent...we uh...let it...slide.

memmy

What is the big deal if there is nothing to hide?

Howdyboyalan

I have a feeling no matter what certificate is published people are going to call it fake, especially since it seems to have been released and people still doubt it.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

phoebe

OK, so why won't he release info on his college years?

There are things he wants hidden, things the American people have a right and responsibility to know, things that most Americans won't know until it is too late because of a very biased media.

For evidence of a very biased media:
www.newsbusters.org

Check it out.


sanctusivo

Quote from: jmg3rd on Wed Oct 08, 2008 - 08:49:54
I'm no conspiracy guy, but it is interesting that it's in a font that wasn't developed until 1982.  Just sayin'.  Does Hawaii not issue copies of originals, but new prints off the computer instead?  That's the only explanation that'd make sense to me, and you never no, it may well be the case.
Look. All of this information is stored on databases. There is a printer, many printers, at the state office of vital records that is loaded with preprinted forms all ready to have the pertinent data burped out when the applicant pays the fee.  I've got my birth certificate from Tennessee; it was printed off about ten years ago.  I was born in 1960: so the form won't have a 1960s style.  It won't have a 1960s font. There won't be anything 1960s about it except my certified birth date.  If I went to the Cordell Hull office building in downtown Nashville to get another one, it'll have a 2008 font on a 2008 form but still have the same 1960 information.

If Republicans are going to go this tin-foil-hate route, the last four weeks of this campaign are going to be far more entertaining than I ever expected.

sanctusivo

Quote from: spurly on Wed Oct 08, 2008 - 09:07:23
Here's my theory.  He won't release his birth certificate, because on that birth certificate he has a different name.  Then people will want to know why he changed his name - and his Muslim roots will be revisited again.
Err. It's been released. More tin foil.

kmv

Seriously, is there any conspiracy garbage too moronic for some of you to embrace?

When the election is over and life goes back to normal, how are you going to get the stench off of you?

sopranette

That's a little harsh, don't you think?

love,

Sopranette

phoebe

Quote from: kmv on Wed Oct 08, 2008 - 12:13:29
Seriously, is there any conspiracy garbage too moronic for some of you to embrace?

When the election is over and life goes back to normal, how are you going to get the stench off of you?

Only a fool would vote for someone about which their are questions as to their history, their loyalty, and their allegiance.

If the man has nothing to hide, then why is he hiding it? The answer is that he has many things to hide, things that would make a difference in his desire to be President of the United States of America.

phoebe

Quote from: sanctusivo on Wed Oct 08, 2008 - 05:35:44
Quote from: admin on Tue Oct 07, 2008 - 22:39:03
I've wondered about this and have looked into it and it is confusing. I don't understand why he wouldn't simply release his birth certificate.

Dude, this is tin-foil-hat territory; see SUMMARY: Since we published Obama's birth certificate:



I don't like his policies, and I'm not voting for him, but I don't deny that he's a fellow American.

Where is the state seal? It is not valid w/o the seal. It would be evident on a photo/scanned copy.

phoebe

He was not born "Barack Hussein Obama II".

I don't think this is legitimate. Changing your name does not change your name on your birth certificate.

kmv

Quote from: sopranette on Wed Oct 08, 2008 - 12:15:44
That's a little harsh, don't you think?

love,

Sopranette

No.

It is deserved.

Folly is a sin, you know.  

spurly

Quote from: phoebe on Wed Oct 08, 2008 - 12:20:37
He was not born "Barack Hussein Obama II".

I don't think this is legitimate. Changing your name does not change your name on your birth certificate.

Bingo.

sanctusivo

Quote from: phoebe on Wed Oct 08, 2008 - 12:20:37
He was not born "Barack Hussein Obama II".

I don't think this is legitimate. Changing your name does not change your name on your birth certificate.
Yikes!  You just refuted your own point. Barack Hussein Obama II IS the name on the birth certificate.

Jimbob

Quote from: sanctusivo on Wed Oct 08, 2008 - 12:08:38
Quote from: jmg3rd on Wed Oct 08, 2008 - 08:49:54
I'm no conspiracy guy, but it is interesting that it's in a font that wasn't developed until 1982.  Just sayin'.  Does Hawaii not issue copies of originals, but new prints off the computer instead?  That's the only explanation that'd make sense to me, and you never no, it may well be the case.
Look. All of this information is stored on databases. There is a printer, many printers, at the state office of vital records that is loaded with preprinted forms all ready to have the pertinent data burped out when the applicant pays the fee.  I've got my birth certificate from Tennessee; it was printed off about ten years ago.  I was born in 1960: so the form won't have a 1960s style.  It won't have a 1960s font. There won't be anything 1960s about it except my certified birth date.  If I went to the Cordell Hull office building in downtown Nashville to get another one, it'll have a 2008 font on a 2008 form but still have the same 1960 information.

Which, you'll note, I left the possibility open for.  You will understand, of course, that people who live in states where only copies of original forms showing signatures and stamps are accepted might find this form unusual, no?

Bon Voyage

Quote from: kmv on Wed Oct 08, 2008 - 12:13:29
Seriously, is there any conspiracy garbage too moronic for some of you to embrace?

When the election is over and life goes back to normal, how are you going to get the stench off of you?

It's not my fault.  The satellites controlled by Major League Baseball are at fault.

Bon Voyage

Quote from: jmg3rd on Wed Oct 08, 2008 - 12:35:32
Quote from: sanctusivo on Wed Oct 08, 2008 - 12:08:38
Quote from: jmg3rd on Wed Oct 08, 2008 - 08:49:54
I'm no conspiracy guy, but it is interesting that it's in a font that wasn't developed until 1982.  Just sayin'.  Does Hawaii not issue copies of originals, but new prints off the computer instead?  That's the only explanation that'd make sense to me, and you never no, it may well be the case.
Look. All of this information is stored on databases. There is a printer, many printers, at the state office of vital records that is loaded with preprinted forms all ready to have the pertinent data burped out when the applicant pays the fee.  I've got my birth certificate from Tennessee; it was printed off about ten years ago.  I was born in 1960: so the form won't have a 1960s style.  It won't have a 1960s font. There won't be anything 1960s about it except my certified birth date.  If I went to the Cordell Hull office building in downtown Nashville to get another one, it'll have a 2008 font on a 2008 form but still have the same 1960 information.

Which, you'll note, I left the possibility open for.  You will understand, of course, that people who live in states where only copies of original forms showing signatures and stamps are accepted might find this form unusual, no?

I needed my original birth certificate to get a drivers license here.

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