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What Marriage is

Started by elijah_101, Fri Nov 07, 2008 - 10:16:40

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What is Marriage Most think if they have a Marriage License there married, or if they see a Man/Pastor.This is the Traditions of Men, Man cannot marrie you.

God did not Ordain Man to Marrie you. I will Show this to you By the WORD of GOD Lets Go to the beginning, When God First Made Man and Women

Gen 2:24 - Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

You See? were is the Man that Marries you? Were is the Marriage License?

God marries you not Man When you Leave your Father and your Mother and Cleave to your wife and you COME ONE with her YOUR MARRIED, God Joined you TOGATHER and it is till DEATH do you PART

You are Bound by Gods LAW as Long as one or the Other is ALIVE Romans 7:2

Lets see what JESUS says about MARRIAGE!

Matt 19:4- Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?


Matt 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Jesus Goes back to the beginning telling us how we get Married Agin when you Come one YOUR MARRIED God Joined you Togather this is the Marriege of God.

Even if you Come one with a Harlot God Joins you toGather

1 Cor 6:15-Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. 16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

All People Does is Marring and Given in Marriage When you go and Mess Around.

Matt 24:37-But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

If your DEFILED every time you come one you are Marrieing and Given in Marriage

Luke 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

Im not Saying marriage is Bad but when Virgins marrie there is no SIN 1 Cor 7:28

Heb 13:4 - Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.


When you Leave your FIRST LOVE and Marrie another you Commit Adultery, Marriage is till Death do you Part. You cannot Marrie unless the other is Dead ,Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Even if the Husband or the Wife commited Fornication aginst one or th Other, Even if you Did not Do any thing You cannot Marrie Agin or the one that Commited Fornication cannot Marrie, you cannot break Gods Law till Death do you Part Lets read what Jesus SAID

Matt 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Matt 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Jesus go on Saying

Mark 10:11-And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. 12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

Agin Jesus Said

Luke 16:18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.

It does not Mattor who left who or Why they left , Just like when Eve ate the Fruit of the Tree Eve Told God the Serpent beguiled me to Eat , she could not excuse her Self And God still punished her, And Adam told God the Women which thou gavest me gave me to Eat and i did Eat, God Still Punished Him No Excuse.

Even John told Herod it is not Lawful to take his Brothers Wife . John Lost His Life because of this

Matt 14:3 For Herod had laid hold on John, and bound him, and put him in prison for Herodias' sake, his brother Philip's wife.For John said unto him, It is not lawful for thee to have her.

What did Jesus tell the Women at the well?

John 4:16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither. 17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband: 18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.

Jesus Told her that the Husband she has now is not her Husband, Because she had more than one.

Just like the Women taken in Adultery what did Jesus tell Her?

John 8:10 Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11 , No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Jesus told her He did not Condemne her, and he Told her to Go and Sin no more.

As Long as her husband is alive she cannot marrie She is Bound to Gods LAW

Romans 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

The bible Says if she Marries wile he is Alive she will be Called an Adulteress. If he is Dead she is no Adulteress

Romans 7:2 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

Agin Gods word says the Same

1 Cor 7:39 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.

Most will not except this Saying

1 Tim 5:11 - But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry; 12 Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.


Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Cor 6:9-10

Some ask How can we Repent. All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.

Matt 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

This is Why The Deciples Said if this be the Cause it is better not to Marrie

Sherman Nobles

Marriage is a covenant based union of a man and woman creating a new family.  OT speaks of "wife by covenant", and Paul speaks of a woman being a wife "by law", with "law" and "covenant" being basically interchangable. 

Furthermore, the word "law" in the Greek is "nomos" and basically means "law as prescribed by custom".  Various cultures have different laws/customs concerning marriage.  In the OT ancient near-east polygamy was practiced and recognized by God; and marriage was a covenant based relationship.  In Greco-Roman cultures there were actually 5 different types of marriage; the most common was that between slaves called "tenting together".  Of course, slave relationships were under the will of their masters.  And considering that it's likely that 80% or more of the church at Corinth were slaves, this is an important consideration.

Understanding that marriage is a breakable human covenant as prescribed by custom and civil law is an important element of building a healthy marriage and family.  Sadly, by over-spiritualizing the doctrine of marriage, the church has in the traditional doctrine moved from practical reality to spiritual illusion. 


HRoberson

Marriage is a promise to give oneself for another; to act and live to make someone else's life as fulfilling and rewarding as possible.

Not to be read in a codependent, self-erasing sort of way, this way of life can only be led by someone who knows who they are, has appropriate boundaries, and patience enough to let their partner grow.

fanuvmxpx

Quote from: elijah_101 on Fri Nov 07, 2008 - 10:16:40
Most will not except this Saying

Unfortunately, its true. Its also the leading cause of the christian church having around a 50% divorce rate.

I can't really understand why you would want to marry another anyways, if you truly believed your spouse was your soul mate. Maybe I'm more independent than most, its still not logical or scriptural to marry again after divorce as a christian. If you really want to be married again so badly, your ex is probably still out there, maybe the 2nd time around you can try to not "Quit because life is hard".

Me, me, me, me, me. I'm not getting what I want so I break my promise to God and to you.

elijah_101


You can Use Greek words or any other Definitions, But you Cannot Change the Word of God, God is a Unchanging God, When The Son of God Spoke the Word, if you put Away your Wife or Husband and Marrie another you do Commit Adultery

QuoteMark 10:11-And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. 12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

You cannot Justify your Self in the Eyes of God and His Word will not  Come back Void

So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void
Isaiah 55:11

chosenone

Quote from: fanuvmxpx on Tue Nov 11, 2008 - 17:38:25
Quote from: elijah_101 on Fri Nov 07, 2008 - 10:16:40
Most will not except this Saying

Unfortunately, its true. Its also the leading cause of the christian church having around a 50% divorce rate.

I can't really understand why you would want to marry another anyways, if you truly believed your spouse was your soul mate. Maybe I'm more independent than most, its still not logical or scriptural to marry again after divorce as a christian. If you really want to be married again so badly, your ex is probably still out there, maybe the 2nd time around you can try to not "Quit because life is hard".

Me, me, me, me, me. I'm not getting what I want so I break my promise to God and to you.

If divorce is allowed in the Bible for 'pornea' which means sexual immorality, then so is remarriage. if you divorce you are no longer married there fore you are free to remarry just as is the widow or widower is.
At one time adultery was punishable by death, so you would have been free to remarry anyway!

I agree that many are very selfish and only want what they think that THEY need but there are those such as myself and my husband (we are both remarried) who had little choice about whether our first marriage ended, as it was what our spouses did that caused the break up and not what we did. We are very fortunate however because we have NOW found our soulmates. Praise God. As for marrying those we are divorced from.......no thank you....my husbands ex wife, a Christian, committed adultery with a non Christian man, and my ex husband did something far worse than that............so perish the thought of marrying them again.

elijah_101

Quotechosenone Wrote If divorce is allowed in the Bible for 'pornea' which means sexual immorality, then so is remarriage.
We are very fortunate however because we have NOW found our soulmates. Praise God. As for marrying those we are divorced from.......no thank you....my husbands ex wife, a Christian, committed adultery with a non Christian man, and my ex husband did something far worse than that


Whos is Right You or God? Will God Change because you say I can Remarrie?

What did Jesus say?

QuoteMark 10:11-And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. 12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery

Luke 16:18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.

It does not Mattor who left who or Why they left , Just like when Eve ate the Fruit of the Tree Eve Told God the Serpent beguiled me to Eat , she could not excuse her Self And God still punished her, And Adam told God the Women which thou gavest me gave me to Eat and i did Eat, God Still Punished Him No Excuse.

Matt 19:4- Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

Matt 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put

Jesus Goes back to the beginning telling us how we get Married Agin, when you Come one YOUR MARRIED God Joined you Togather this is the Marriege of God.

It dont even Matter if they Were a Christian or Not!!!

1 Cor 6:15-Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. 16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

All People Does is Marring and Given in Marriage When you go and Mess Around.

Matt 24:37-But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

If your DEFILED every time you come one you are Marrieing and Given in Marriage

Luke 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

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QuoteHis disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.
Matt 19:10
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chosenone

Quote from: elijah_101 on Thu Nov 13, 2008 - 18:19:48
Quotechosenone Wrote If divorce is allowed in the Bible for 'pornea' which means sexual immorality, then so is remarriage.
We are very fortunate however because we have NOW found our soulmates. Praise God. As for marrying those we are divorced from.......no thank you....my husbands ex wife, a Christian, committed adultery with a non Christian man, and my ex husband did something far worse than that


Whos is Right You or God? Will God Change because you say I can Remarrie?

What did Jesus say?

QuoteMark 10:11-And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. 12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery

Luke 16:18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.

It does not Mattor who left who or Why they left , Just like when Eve ate the Fruit of the Tree Eve Told God the Serpent beguiled me to Eat , she could not excuse her Self And God still punished her, And Adam told God the Women which thou gavest me gave me to Eat and i did Eat, God Still Punished Him No Excuse.

Matt 19:4- Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

Matt 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put

Jesus Goes back to the beginning telling us how we get Married Agin, when you Come one YOUR MARRIED God Joined you Togather this is the Marriege of God.

It dont even Matter if they Were a Christian or Not!!!

1 Cor 6:15-Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. 16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

All People Does is Marring and Given in Marriage When you go and Mess Around.

Matt 24:37-But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

If your DEFILED every time you come one you are Marrieing and Given in Marriage

Luke 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

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QuoteHis disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.
Matt 19:10
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The Bible says that If your spouse committed 'pornea' (which means any type of sexual immorality) then Jesus says that you are allowed to divorce and remarry. this is is the Bible. Jesus said it. Both of our spouses did this and therefore we are free to be divorced (although in my husbands case she divorced him anyway)and free to remarry.
I know a family where the father sexually abused the children, thus committing pornea, and the wife dovorced him, and after 6 years remarried. She and the children have been very blessed by this new marriage and according to Jesus she was allowed to divorce and remarry because of the serious sexual sin of the father..

elijah_101

The Bible says that If your spouse committed 'pornea' (which means any type of sexual immorality) then Jesus says that you are allowed to divorce and remarry. this is is the Bible. Jesus said it. Both of our spouses did this and therefore we are free to be divorced (although in my husbands case she divorced him anyway)and free to remarry.
I know a family where the father sexually abused the children, thus committing pornea, and the wife dovorced him, and after 6 years remarried. She and the children have been

Who is True

You or God

You are Bound By the Law as Long as your Spouce is Alive

Mark 10:11-And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. 12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery

Luke 16:18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.


Heb 13:4 - Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.


When you Leave your FIRST LOVE and Marrie another you Commit Adultery, Marriage is till Death do you Part. You cannot Marrie unless the other is Dead ,Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, [b]let not man put asunder. [/b]

John 4:16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither. 17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband: 18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.

Jesus Told her that the Husband she has now is not her Husband, Because she had more than one.

Just like the Women taken in Adultery what did Jesus tell Her?

John 8:10 Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11 , No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Jesus told her He did not Condemne her, and he Told her to Go and Sin no more.

As Long as her husband is alive she cannot marrie She is Bound to Gods LAW

Romans 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

The bible Says if she Marries wile he is Alive she will be Called an Adulteress. If he is Dead she is no Adulteress

Romans 7:2 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

Agin Gods word says the Same

1 Cor 7:39 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.

Quoteyea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written
Romans 3:4

You cannot Justify your Self in the Eyes of God and His Word will not  Come back Void

So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void
Isaiah 55:11
[/color] [/size]

chosenone

Quote from: elijah_101 on Fri Nov 14, 2008 - 05:51:04
The Bible says that If your spouse committed 'pornea' (which means any type of sexual immorality) then Jesus says that you are allowed to divorce and remarry. this is is the Bible. Jesus said it. Both of our spouses did this and therefore we are free to be divorced (although in my husbands case she divorced him anyway)and free to remarry.
I know a family where the father sexually abused the children, thus committing pornea, and the wife dovorced him, and after 6 years remarried. She and the children have been

Who is True

You or God

You are Bound By the Law as Long as your Spouce is Alive

Mark 10:11-And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. 12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery

Luke 16:18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.


Heb 13:4 - Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.


When you Leave your FIRST LOVE and Marrie another you Commit Adultery, Marriage is till Death do you Part. You cannot Marrie unless the other is Dead ,Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, [b]let not man put asunder. [/b]

John 4:16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither. 17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband: 18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.

Jesus Told her that the Husband she has now is not her Husband, Because she had more than one.

Just like the Women taken in Adultery what did Jesus tell Her?

John 8:10 Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11 , No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Jesus told her He did not Condemne her, and he Told her to Go and Sin no more.

As Long as her husband is alive she cannot marrie She is Bound to Gods LAW

Romans 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

The bible Says if she Marries wile he is Alive she will be Called an Adulteress. If he is Dead she is no Adulteress

Romans 7:2 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

Agin Gods word says the Same

1 Cor 7:39 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.

Quoteyea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written
Romans 3:4

You cannot Justify your Self in the Eyes of God and His Word will not  Come back Void

So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void
Isaiah 55:11
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I think that you will find thatJesus said 'except for pornea'' when he spoke about divorce.DIVORCE IS ALLOWED IF THE SPOUSE COMMITS ADULTERY (OR PORNEA)> Jesus said it so I believe it. NO MORE NEEDS TO BE SAID.

fanuvmxpx

I believe adultery & physical abuse are the only biblical grounds for divorce. Not that other forms of abuse are justified in the slightest.

I do not currently know of any verses, someone help me out if I'm wrong, that say abuse warrants a 'new marriage after divorce'. But, if you are divorced, and your ex starts seeing someone else...that's adultery, and you can re-marry.

This isn't to say the Bible has loopholes or anything of the sort. I just believe that God, in His wisdom, will provide a way for a daughter in Christ to re-marry a good man if the first choice became a costly mistake (adultery/physical abuse).

elijah_101

Quote from: fanuvmxpx on Fri Nov 14, 2008 - 12:31:53
I believe adultery & physical abuse are the only biblical grounds for divorce. Not that other forms of abuse are justified in the slightest.

I do not currently know of any verses, someone help me out if I'm wrong, that say abuse warrants a 'new marriage after divorce'. But, if you are divorced, and your ex starts seeing someone else...that's adultery, and you can re-marry.

This isn't to say the Bible has loopholes or anything of the sort. I just believe that God, in His wisdom, will provide a way for a daughter in Christ to re-marry a good man if the first choice became a costly mistake (adultery/physical abuse).

Did you Read my Forum?

Before you say that you can Remarrie, Read the Bible, Search it, You will find a Dead End

Jesus spoke the Word, and you cannot Change God, What God Joinded togather let not man put asunder.

Jesus clearly Said if a Man or Women Puts away there Wife or Husband And Marries another Commits Adultery

Mark 10:11- Luke 16:18 Read my Post there is more Scriptures.

This is your Problems, Some tells you some thing, and you Believe it, Instead of Searching the Truth, you Find your Self Liveing a Lie

What will you Give in extange for your Soul?

fanuvmxpx

Quote from: elijah_101 on Fri Nov 14, 2008 - 16:08:52
This is your Problems, Some tells you some thing, and you Believe it, Instead of Searching the Truth, you Find your Self Liveing a Lie

Considering that I read quite frequently, spell correctly, and educate myself to boot, I find your insult without merit. The Bible gives reasons for divorce, in my readings I have yet to find verse that says "If you divorce for an acceptable reason under God's law, you cannot re-marry". As such, you are assuming that we cannot remarry based on a verse that says a relationship outside of your original marriage is adultery, which I find faulty.

chosenone

Quote from: elijah_101 on Fri Nov 14, 2008 - 16:08:52
Quote from: fanuvmxpx on Fri Nov 14, 2008 - 12:31:53
I believe adultery & physical abuse are the only biblical grounds for divorce. Not that other forms of abuse are justified in the slightest.

I do not currently know of any verses, someone help me out if I'm wrong, that say abuse warrants a 'new marriage after divorce'. But, if you are divorced, and your ex starts seeing someone else...that's adultery, and you can re-marry.

This isn't to say the Bible has loopholes or anything of the sort. I just believe that God, in His wisdom, will provide a way for a daughter in Christ to re-marry a good man if the first choice became a costly mistake (adultery/physical abuse).

Did you Read my Forum?

Before you say that you can Remarrie, Read the Bible, Search it, You will find a Dead End

Jesus spoke the Word, and you cannot Change God, What God Joinded togather let not man put asunder.

Jesus clearly Said if a Man or Women Puts away there Wife or Husband And Marries another Commits Adultery

Mark 10:11- Luke 16:18 Read my Post there is more Scriptures.

This is your Problems, Some tells you some thing, and you Believe it, Instead of Searching the Truth, you Find your Self Liveing a Lie

What will you Give in extange for your Soul?

JESUS said 'except for adultery'. If we divorce our spouse for marital unfaithfullness, we can remarry, because their unfaithfullness has broken the marriage covenant therefore we are free to divorce them and thus remarry.
You seem to ignore the place where Jesus says this, and choose to say that we can never divorce and remarry.
Jesus recognised that adultery, or sexual immorality, is the ulyimate betrayal and that many cannot continue to stay married after it. Praise Him that he said this. 
It concerns me that you continue to keep saying that we can NEVER divorce or remarry, when we clearly can, and there are countless Christians who are divorced and remarried according to Biblical standards, who you are trying to make feel guilty. It doesnt work with me though because both my husband and I had spouses who committed sexual immorality, and one of us was divorced by their spouse and one of us divorced their spouse. 


elijah_101

When you Leave your FIRST LOVE and Marrie another you Commit Adultery, Marriage is till Death do you Part. You cannot Marrie unless the other is Dead ,Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Even if the Husband or the Wife commited Fornication aginst one or th Other, Even if you Did not Do any thing You cannot Marrie Agin or the one that Commited Fornication cannot Marrie, you cannot break Gods Law till Death do you Part Lets read what Jesus SAID

Matt 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery:

and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Matt 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery:

and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

QuoteJesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Heb 13:8
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Jesus go on Saying

Mark 10:11-And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.

12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.


QuoteJesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Heb 13:8

Agin Jesus Said

Luke 16:18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery:

and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.

QuoteJesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Heb 13:8


It does not Mattor who left who or Why they left , Just like when Eve ate the Fruit of the Tree Eve Told God the Serpent beguiled me to Eat , she could not excuse her Self And God still punished her, And Adam told God the Women which thou gavest me gave me to Eat and i did Eat, God Still Punished Him No Excuse.

Even John told Herod it is not Lawful to take his Brothers Wife . John Lost His Life because of this

Matt 14:3 For Herod had laid hold on John, and bound him, and put him in prison for Herodias' sake, his brother Philip's wife.For John said unto him, It is not lawful for thee to have her.

What did Jesus tell the Women at the well?

John 4:16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither. 17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband: 18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.

Jesus Told her that the Husband she has now is not her Husband, Because she had more than one.

QuoteJesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Heb 13:8

Just like the Women taken in Adultery what did Jesus tell Her?

John 8:10 Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11 , No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Jesus told her He did not Condemne her, and he Told her to Go and Sin no more.

As Long as her husband is alive she cannot marrie She is Bound to Gods LAW

QuoteJesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Heb 13:8
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Romans 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

The bible Says if she Marries wile he is Alive she will be Called an Adulteress. If he is Dead she is no Adulteress

Romans 7:2 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

Agin Gods word says the Same

1 Cor 7:39 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.

Most will not except this Saying

1 Tim 5:11 - But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry; 12 Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.


Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Cor 6:9-10

Some ask How can we Repent. All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.

Matt 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

This is Why The Deciples Said if this be the Cause it is better not to Marrie

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Heb 13:8

chosenone

Matthew 5.22 'except for marital unfaithfullness'. If there has been marital unfaifullness there will be no adultery upon remarriage by the innocent party. Why can you not see this?It is as clear as day.marital unfaithfullness breaks the covenant.

The case of the women at the well. Jesus recognised all of her 6 marriages when he said "yes,you have had 6 husbands" . The man she was with at that point she want married to, therefore he said that the man you are with now is not your husband.
That story actually disproves what you are trying to believe, because even Jesus recognised that she had been married 6 times. if He only recognised the first marriage, he would have said You have only had one husband and all the rest you werent married to. No. He recognised ALL 6 of her marriages.

skywalker

Is it unlawful to marry without a State Marriage License?
Is marrying an unlawful activity?
If not, why do people need a License from the State?
And very important, Can the State license an unlawful activity?

I would just skip the State License and have a religious ceremoney. Maybe a legal name change if I want the surname changed.

Separation of Church and State.

chosenone

Quote from: skywalker on Sat Nov 15, 2008 - 21:40:02
Is it unlawful to marry without a State Marriage License?
Is marrying an unlawful activity?
If not, why do people need a License from the State?
And very important, Can the State license an unlawful activity?

I would just skip the State License and have a religious ceremoney. Maybe a legal name change if I want the surname changed.

Separation of Church and State.

To me the bible is fairly clear on this, that we are to obey the laws of the country that we live in. I live in the UK.  If I wasnt lagally married according to  the laws of my country, them I am not married.. I am of course and therfore I am legally married, and also married in Gods eyes. We can not be a law unto ourselves as Christians but are to respect and obey our  leaders as God has put them there.

elijah_101


Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. 9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines.
Heb 13:8-


Matt 19:4- Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?


Matt 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Jesus Goes back to the beginning telling us how we get Married Agin when you Come one YOUR MARRIED God Joined you Togather this is the Marriege of God.

Now when yo Break that Marriage, and you go out and Marrie Another, you commit Adultery Or if you mary some one that has been put away you commit Adultery-Luke 16:18

Romans 7:2 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress

Jesus Spoke the Word, and the Word was From God, you cannot Change it, Gods word will not Return Void... God is a Unchangeing God, there is nothing you can do, Nothing you can Say, Bump your head screem out, cry and curse, it will not Change a Thing.

Matt 19:4- Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?


So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth:it shall not return unto me void Isaiah 55:11

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. 9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines.
Heb 13:8-

chosenone

Quote from: elijah_101 on Sun Nov 16, 2008 - 10:34:52

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. 9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines.
Heb 13:8-


Matt 19:4- Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?


Matt 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Jesus Goes back to the beginning telling us how we get Married Agin when you Come one YOUR MARRIED God Joined you Togather this is the Marriege of God.

Now when yo Break that Marriage, and you go out and Marrie Another, you commit Adultery Or if you mary some one that has been put away you commit Adultery-Luke 16:18

Romans 7:2 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress

Jesus Spoke the Word, and the Word was From God, you cannot Change it, Gods word will not Return Void... God is a Unchangeing God, there is nothing you can do, Nothing you can Say, Bump your head screem out, cry and curse, it will not Change a Thing.

Matt 19:4- Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?


So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth:it shall not return unto me void Isaiah 55:11

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. 9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines.
Heb 13:8-


::doh::i give up. Have you not read it where Jesus himself said that if your spouse committs adultery you are allowed to divorce and remarry????This is one reason that He himself gave that we are allowed to get divorced because our spouse broke the marriage covenant. In the Old Testament times our spouse would have been put to death, thus we would have been free to remarry. This doesnt happen now, but Jesus said we can divorce our spouses for this. Please come back on this instead of ignoring it.
It is there, in the Bible, for all to see. clear as day.

You seem to Have totally conviced yourself that we are given no reason to divorce, and thus you cannot see the place where Jesus said that we can. it is for PORNEA which means SEXUAL IMMORALITY.

elijah_101

QuoteTopic Summary
Posted by: chosenone 

Have you not read it where Jesus himself said that if your spouse committs adultery you are allowed to divorce and remarry


Give me the Scripture were Jesus says that you can Remarrie, wile the other is Alive?

Instead of Useing your Own Words Use The Scripture


Jesus clearly Said if a Man or Women Puts away there Wife or Husband And Marries another They  Commit Adultery
And who ever marries them that are Put away COmmits Adultery
Mark 10:11- Luke 16:18 Read my Post there is more Scriptures.

This is your Problems, Some tells you some thing, and you Believe it, Instead of Searching the Truth, you Find your Self Liveing a Lie


chosenone

Quote from: elijah_101 on Sun Nov 16, 2008 - 11:50:29
QuoteTopic Summary
Posted by: chosenone 

Have you not read it where Jesus himself said that if your spouse committs adultery you are allowed to divorce and remarry


Give me the Scripture were Jesus says that you can Remarrie, wile the other is Alive?

Instead of Useing your Own Words Use The Scripture


Jesus clearly Said if a Man or Women Puts away there Wife or Husband And Marries another They  Commit Adultery
And who ever marries them that are Put away COmmits Adultery
Mark 10:11- Luke 16:18 Read my Post there is more Scriptures.

This is your Problems, Some tells you some thing, and you Believe it, Instead of Searching the Truth, you Find your Self Liveing a Lie



Jesus said we can get divorced if our spouse committs adultery. if we are divorced our marriage is over, if our marriage is over we are single and thus free to remarry.

elijah_101

Quote from: chosenone on Sun Nov 16, 2008 - 12:01:00
Quote from: elijah_101 on Sun Nov 16, 2008 - 11:50:29
QuoteTopic Summary
Posted by: chosenone 


Jesus said we can get divorced if our spouse committs adultery. if we are divorced our marriage is over, if our marriage is over we are single and thus free to remarry.

Hmmmm

Matt 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery[/color].

Matt 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.


Mark 10:11-And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. 12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

Agin Jesus Said

Luke 16:18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.



Now what Part of this do you Not understand?

QuoteJesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Heb 13:8
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chosenone

Quote from: elijah_101 on Sun Nov 16, 2008 - 13:06:44
Quote from: chosenone on Sun Nov 16, 2008 - 12:01:00
Quote from: elijah_101 on Sun Nov 16, 2008 - 11:50:29
QuoteTopic Summary
Posted by: chosenone 


Jesus said we can get divorced if our spouse committs adultery. if we are divorced our marriage is over, if our marriage is over we are single and thus free to remarry.
Hmmmm


Matt 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery[/color].

Matt 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.


Mark 10:11-And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. 12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

Agin Jesus Said

Luke 16:18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.



Now what Part of this do you Not understand?

QuoteJesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Heb 13:8
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You said it yourself .Matthew 5 .32 EXCEPT IT BE FOR ADULTERY. If your spouse committs sexual imorality, you do not committ adultery if you remarry. Your spouse committs adultery, you do not .

Sherman Nobles

Quote from: elijah_101 on Tue Nov 11, 2008 - 18:00:23

You can Use Greek words or any other Definitions, But you Cannot Change the Word of God, God is a Unchanging God, When The Son of God Spoke the Word, if you put Away your Wife or Husband and Marrie another you do Commit Adultery

QuoteMark 10:11-And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. 12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

You cannot Justify your Self in the Eyes of God and His Word will not  Come back Void

So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void
Isaiah 55:11
I assume you're replying to my post noting that the Greek word "nomos" translated "law" typically refers to laws derived from custom.  So to answer your subsequent post.

First let me note that I'm happily married 20 years to the wife of my youth, neither of us having ever been previously married, much less divorced; so I am not trying to justify anything, but only sharing what I understand scripture to indicate. 

Secondly, of course you're welcome to disregard the Greek or anything else that counters your beliefs.  But concerning Mark 10:10, both the words "divorces" (apoluo) and "marries" (gameo) are in the subjunctive mood, and thus can be translated reflecting intention.  In other words, a good translation is "If a man divorces his wife in order to marry another, he commits adultery." 

A well informed understanding of scripture reveals that the divine ideal of marriage is a monogomous faithful lifelong union of a man and woman in an interdependent loving relationship.  However, even marriages joined together by God run the risk of being broken apart by humanity through divorce.  And thus we need to do what we can to empower people to have healthy marriages because we recognize that marriages are breakable, not indissoluble.

Jesus also affirmed that marriage was under limited civil authority, and thus a Jewish woman who was separated (but not legally divorced) from her husband should remain single or be restored to her husband.  However, those who are legally divorced may remarry.  In fact, the purpose of the bill of divorce was to stop the practice of men expelling their wives and yet retaining legal authority over and to them.  It did this be legally freeing a woman to marry again.

Sherman Nobles

For anyone interested, I did an extensive review in the following thread.
http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/index.php/topic,20182.0.html

Sherman Nobles

BTW, 1 Cor.7:27-28 says that, "If you are married, seek not to divorce (be loosed).  If you are divorced (loosed from a wife) seek not to marry; but if you do marry you do not sin."

The problem is not remarriage, the problem is not even divorce; the problem is the hardness of heart that causes divorce! 

Tantor

In my case.. my wife abandoned me.. for 6 years I tried to reconcile the marriage until she moved 1000 miles away to Tennessee.. at which time I divorced her.

People also don't understand the financial implications that civil society places on married people that are pretty unbiblical to begin with.. that only a divorce will remedy.

For example, if I had not filed for divorce she could have legally claimed all my net worth at my death and do what she wanted with it, even though she had not lived with me 40+ years (say I die at 80).

I also would have been obligated to pay her 1000 a month for the rest of her life, even though that money legally was supposed to finance her lawyer as she pursued a divorce... even though she never had any intention of getting divorced.

I had basically  become her life long gravy train under the law.. and the bible says if you do not work you do not eat.

You also need to study the culture and context of the writing of the new testament to appreciate just how twisted and bizzarre Elijah_101's interpretation of scripture is.


Sherman Nobles

#28
Quote from: skywalker on Sat Nov 15, 2008 - 21:40:02
Is it unlawful to marry without a State Marriage License?
Is marrying an unlawful activity?
If not, why do people need a License from the State?
And very important, Can the State license an unlawful activity?

I would just skip the State License and have a religious ceremoney. Maybe a legal name change if I want the surname changed.

Separation of Church and State.

One aspect of the marriage covenant is that it is a legal covenant enforceable by civil authority.  In Israel, MDR was predominantly a Domestic issue, but it did have limited Civil oversight and Jews understood marriage very much as a civil/familial Contract.  The marriage contract actually stipulated financial agreements such as the bride-price and the dowry and any limitations that were out of the ordinary.  For example, if a woman desired a monogomous relationship, she could state such in the marriage contract; if her husband decided to break the marriage contract and marry another woman, he was to divorce her and pay her the full dowry.  

Not only was the Marriage Contract a legal document, but so was the Bill of Divorce.  And laws concerning marriage were enforced by civil authority, not religious.  During the time of Christ issues concerning MDR were judicated by local civil authorities, and certainly NOT by the priests.

Sadly, in the 1100's the Roman Catholic Church formalized the traditional doctrine of marriage and in so doing they declared marriage a Sacrament and thus under the auspicies of the Church.  Reality is though that marriage is not a Sacrament, but is a covenant.  And marriage is not under church authority but under civil authority.  

Jesus himself affirmed this when he said that a woman separated (but not legally divorced) from her husband should remain single or be reconciled to her husband. (1 Cor. 7:10-11).  According to Jewish civil law men could divorce their wives but women could not divorce their husbands.

Understanding the culture in which a passage is written is vital to understanding the intent of the author.  Ignorance of the culture leads to misunderstanding what the author intended!

elijah_101

Quote from: Sherman Nobles on Mon Nov 17, 2008 - 14:58:53
BTW, 1 Cor.7:27-28 says that, "If you are married, seek not to divorce (be loosed).  If you are divorced (loosed from a wife) seek not to marry; but if you do marry you do not sin."

The problem is not remarriage, the problem is not even divorce; the problem is the hardness of heart that causes divorce! 



What Paul is Talking About is VIRGINS,

QuoteNow concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.
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26 I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be.

27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.

28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned.
1 Cor 7:25-28

If Two Virgins Marrie, they Have Not SINNED

Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
Heb 13:4


Quoteyea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written
Romans 3:4

Matt 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.


Quoteyea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written
Romans 3:4


Matt 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. Jesus go on Saying

Quote
yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written
Romans 3:4
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Mark 10:11-And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. 12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written
Romans 3:4



Luke 16:18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.



The bible Says if she Marries wile he is Alive she will be Called an Adulteress. If he is Dead she is no Adulteress

Romans 7:2 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1



Who shall we FOLLOW Man? Or Gods Word?

Sherman Nobles

BTW, the Jews have a problem today that reflects the problem in the 1st Century about a woman who was not able to marry due to not being given a bill of divorce, even though her husband had expelled her and even married another woman.  Today, such a woman is called an Agunah, a "bound woman".  If the husband refuses to give his "ex-wife" a "Get" (Jewish Religious Bill of Divorce), she is bound by Jewish Religious Law to her husband even though he has divorced her via Civil Law.  Jewish men do this today out of bitterness to inflict emotional and relational turmoil upon their ex-wives; and they use it to pressure women to make financial concessions in civil divorce.  

I believe the Jews have this problem because they do not recognize that issues concerning MDR are primarily Domestic with only a little Civil oversight (judges) and NO Religious oversight (priests) --  at least, that is according to Moses.  Actually, it was during the Jewish captivity in Babylon that Civil (State) and Religious (Temple/Church) authority was confused and the local community leaders, rabbis, took on both roles.  During the time of Christ, Rabbis were predominantly civic leaders serving as judges with the Jewish High Court being the Sanhedrin; but after the destruction of the Temple the Rabbis took back on the religious roles as well.

Sherman Nobles

Quote from: elijah_101 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 - 17:55:26
Quote from: Sherman Nobles on Mon Nov 17, 2008 - 14:58:53
BTW, 1 Cor.7:27-28 says that, "If you are married, seek not to divorce (be loosed).  If you are divorced (loosed from a wife) seek not to marry; but if you do marry you do not sin."

The problem is not remarriage, the problem is not even divorce; the problem is the hardness of heart that causes divorce! 
What Paul is Talking About is VIRGINS,

QuoteNow concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.
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26 I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be.

27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.

28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned.
1 Cor 7:25-28

If Two Virgins Marrie, they Have Not SINNED
If Paul is speaking of Virgins in vs. 27, then why would he tell a virgin to not seek "to be loosed"?  Jews speak of marriage in terms of being bound, like in the phrase "bound by law".  Thus to be married is to be bound.  To seek to be loosed is to seek divorce.  And to be loosed is to be divorced.  So Paul is saying, if one has been divorced, he should not seek to marry, but if he does marry he has not sinned.  It's really very simple.

Furthermore in vs. 27b-28, if "loosed" referred to "virgin" why would he say that it's ok for one who is loosed from his wife to marry, and then say it's ok for a virgin to marry?  Rather, Paul tells virgins that it's best to not marry in vs 25-26.  Then he says that a married person (bound to a wife) should not seek a divorce, and that a divorce' (one loosed from a wife) should not marry, in vs. 27.  And then in vs. 28 he clarifies that what he just shared was not a "law" but a suggestion and affirms that both divorce's and virgins do not sin if they do marry.

If you're interested, you can read the following thread; I go into extensive detail on each primary passage and why I understand them differently than how they are traditionally interpreted.  If you've made up your mind and no amount of information to the contrary can change it then no need to research further though.

http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/index.php/topic,20182.0.html

Sherman Nobles

elijah,

BTW, proof texting is really useless.  One can pull scripture out of context and interpret it to mean anything he wants it to.  Your quotes are not only pulled out of their cultural context, but their authorial context, historical context, social context, and even their literary context. 

If you'd like to discuss a specific scripture, I'll gladly do so with you.  But proof-texting is, well, useless and a waist of time.

elijah_101

#33
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness2 Tim 2:15-16

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Quote17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Tim 3:16-17

Jesus Spoke the Word, and the Word Came From God, And the Word is God, And All things were made By God

Matt 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Matt 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Jesus go on Saying

Mark 10:11-And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. 12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

Agin Jesus Said

Luke 16:18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.

The Scriptures do not contradict them Selves

There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband. 35 And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction.
1 Cor 7:34-35

The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.
1 Cor 7:39

not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Cor 6:9-10 (

The Scriptures are Written for Man to Know God. You have no Scriptures to Prove what you are Saying


yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written
Romans 3:4



And one more thing, Give me a Scripture saying you Can Remarrie, When the Son of God says you Cannot[/b]

chosenone

Quote from: elijah_101 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 - 20:11:44
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness2 Tim 2:15-16

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Quote17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Tim 3:16-17

Jesus Spoke the Word, and the Word Came From God, And the Word is God, And All things were made By God

Matt 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Matt 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Jesus go on Saying

Mark 10:11-And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. 12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

Agin Jesus Said

Luke 16:18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.

The Scriptures do not contradict them Selves

There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband. 35 And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction.
1 Cor 7:34-35

The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.
1 Cor 7:39

not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Cor 6:9-10 (

The Scriptures are Written for Man to Know God. You have no Scriptures to Prove what you are Saying


yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written
Romans 3:4



And one more thing, Give me a Scripture saying you Can Remarrie, When the Son of God says you Cannot[/b]

I've said it so many times now I feel like a stuck record. Jesus said that IF our spouses are unfaithful was ARE allowed to divorce. IF we divorce for that reaosn we do NOT committ adultery if we remarry.
You never answer this.
Also can you please answer this question. Are you married and if so are you happily married? Cos I have this theory that those who are so dogmatic like you about divorce who only want to make those who are Biblically divorced and remarried feel bad, are actually in unhappy marriages and are filled with bitterness and jealous that they cant get divorced and remarried. i am sure that this is true in some cases although I expect that you will deny this In any case. even if it were true.

You have twisted many verses and passages such as the women at the well, even though Jesus recognised ALL of her six marriages, and you will continue to do so because  you have decided that no one can get divorced and remarried so you loook for verses that you can use to make this seem like the truth when it isnt.
You will listen to no one and dont answer whatever anyone else posts here.You come accross as very dogmnatic and very unhappy. I hope that isnt true but that is how you come accross.


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