God wink...

[Bonnie]

Bonnie,

I'm not sure that God controls the steps of the righteous as though they physically could do nothing else. The ways of God control them because the righteous are given over to God, and the righteous elect to walk in His ways.

The Jewish Publication Society's 1985 English text of the TANAKH reads thusly,

The steps of a man are made firm by the Lord, when He delights in his way.

and verse 24 reads like this:

Though he stumbles, he does not fall down, for the Lord gives him support.

James Mays in his introduction to this psalm in the Interpretation Series says this:

....The psalm has often been read as advocacy of a doctrinaire moralism that believes evil is punished and good rewarded in some kind of deterministic, simplistic way.There are lines in the psalm that, taken by themselves, may seem to invite such a reading. The whole and all that is said must be considered.

As a result, this line from the psalm should not be used to advocate that God controls the righteous in some automatomic manner. Rather, God sees the righteous, and no matter what the world may seem to indicate (reading the entire psalm and putting this line in context), God does see the righteous and reach out to help.

Of course, the only way that God could help a stumbling man is if the man first stumbles. That stumbling can not have been caused by God. No, God is around and He supports, but does not control the righteous.

All of this of course could be entirely irrelevant if I've misunderstood your point.

I really just wish you would bow out of this topic...  it was a about a simple blessing from the LORD, because I am His child. You have to draw everything into some DEEP conplicated thing that it just isn't. Go away.. that would be nice... a REAL GOD wink for me. Thanks.

Kensington, I think as a member of the forum I have a right to post in any thread.  I try to be a friend to you but it proves useless. You are one of the rudest people I have ever met and you have proved that many times over with other people in other threads.

[sopranette]

I was watching a documentary about the abortion fight during the Clinton administration, and they had an interview with "Jane Roe", and what happened to her after that landmark case.  She said she had no idea at the time what kind of impact her case would have on America at the time, and had basically been used by lawyers to change the laws in Texas.  In Texas at the time, the law on the books was that parents had the right to decide when and if they wanted to procreate.  So, if they had the right to decide when to have children, they should also have the right to decide not to have children, even if the child was already on the way.  The law passed, and abortion became legal for the entire nine months of a woman's pregnancy.  Conservatives were outraged, and began to harass her, issuing death threats, smashing her windows.  She said she spent the next fifteen years in fear, hiding in her house alone.  At one point, she attempted suicide.  Now call it chance, or call it a wink from God, but this is the incredible part;  a pro life office happened to rent the house right next to hers.  The relationship was a little guarded at first, but over time, Ms. "Roe" began to visit the office, and eventually became friends with the staff there.  She began to visit abortion clinics, and at one point was given the keys to a freezer and took a peek inside.  The scene inside devestated her.  She gave her life to Christ, and began working for the pro life movement, working in the office next door to her house.

love,

sopranette

[kensington]

Bonnie,

I'm not sure that God controls the steps of the righteous as though they physically could do nothing else. The ways of God control them because the righteous are given over to God, and the righteous elect to walk in His ways.

The Jewish Publication Society's 1985 English text of the TANAKH reads thusly,

The steps of a man are made firm by the Lord, when He delights in his way.

and verse 24 reads like this:

Though he stumbles, he does not fall down, for the Lord gives him support.

James Mays in his introduction to this psalm in the Interpretation Series says this:

....The psalm has often been read as advocacy of a doctrinaire moralism that believes evil is punished and good rewarded in some kind of deterministic, simplistic way.There are lines in the psalm that, taken by themselves, may seem to invite such a reading. The whole and all that is said must be considered.

As a result, this line from the psalm should not be used to advocate that God controls the righteous in some automatomic manner. Rather, God sees the righteous, and no matter what the world may seem to indicate (reading the entire psalm and putting this line in context), God does see the righteous and reach out to help.

Of course, the only way that God could help a stumbling man is if the man first stumbles. That stumbling can not have been caused by God. No, God is around and He supports, but does not control the righteous.

All of this of course could be entirely irrelevant if I've misunderstood your point.

I really just wish you would bow out of this topic...  it was a about a simple blessing from the LORD, because I am His child. You have to draw everything into some DEEP conplicated thing that it just isn't. Go away.. that would be nice... a REAL GOD wink for me. Thanks.

Kensington, I think as a member of the forum I have a right to post in any thread.  I try to be a friend to you but it proves useless. You are one of the rudest people I have ever met and you have proved that many times over with other people in other threads.

Bonnie... I have no idea what you are talking about... I never even spoke to you...  if you read that again, you will see I was talking to HRoberson...  Not you.   But, thanks for letting me know what you think of me.  Peace.

[Elaine]

kennsington,

Why so rude?

That was a shocking post to read so early in the morning.   Even if you'd like someone to stop posting - you can ignore them or ask them in a pm or let the thread flow as it may or, or, or ----I'm thinking you may not simply realize how intense your post was? Could that be?

This is such a tough world to manuever in, don't you think - from traffic, to our bosses deadlines, to the kids being sick, you know?

That to then come on this pleasant thread and read such a harsh post is just another fly in the soup.   I would love it if we could be just even a little bit kinder by mixing our words differently.

Now, don't jump all over me for saying this...not for my sake, but for the others that don't need to read such harshness here -we can get that at our jobs from jerky co-workers.  It does continue to make you look very bad --- I'm sorry to say, I've seen you not chose your words well before.

I don't think in your heart you want to hurt people. And yet you do. I don't ge it.   Why??

Ok then, let things fall as they may.   

Elaine

[Elaine]

Sopey,
Have you seen Jane Roe on TV commercials!!?  She never even got an abortion and feels terrible about her case and what it has done.
Try to catch it.

:) Elaine

[sopranette]

Sopey,
Have you seen Jane Roe on TV commercials!!?  She never even got an abortion and feels terrible about her case and what it has done.
Try to catch it.

:) Elaine

No, I don't think so.  Honestly, I didn't know what she looked like until last night.  I didn't realize her story is actually quite sad.

love,

sopranette

[kensington]

What would really be nice... is if the Mods would just delete this whole thing now.  I see topics disappear all the time, how do you get that done? 

[HRoberson]

Bonnie,

I'm not sure that God controls the steps of the righteous as though they physically could do nothing else. The ways of God control them because the righteous are given over to God, and the righteous elect to walk in His ways.

The Jewish Publication Society's 1985 English text of the TANAKH reads thusly,

The steps of a man are made firm by the Lord, when He delights in his way.

and verse 24 reads like this:

Though he stumbles, he does not fall down, for the Lord gives him support.

James Mays in his introduction to this psalm in the Interpretation Series says this:

....The psalm has often been read as advocacy of a doctrinaire moralism that believes evil is punished and good rewarded in some kind of deterministic, simplistic way.There are lines in the psalm that, taken by themselves, may seem to invite such a reading. The whole and all that is said must be considered.

As a result, this line from the psalm should not be used to advocate that God controls the righteous in some automatomic manner. Rather, God sees the righteous, and no matter what the world may seem to indicate (reading the entire psalm and putting this line in context), God does see the righteous and reach out to help.

Of course, the only way that God could help a stumbling man is if the man first stumbles. That stumbling can not have been caused by God. No, God is around and He supports, but does not control the righteous.

All of this of course could be entirely irrelevant if I've misunderstood your point.

I really just wish you would bow out of this topic...  it was a about a simple blessing from the LORD, because I am His child. You have to draw everything into some DEEP conplicated thing that it just isn't. Go away.. that would be nice... a REAL GOD wink for me. Thanks.

Well thank you for encouraging my participation on this board. It is rather common for threads on this site to take off on tangents. I am sorry that this eventuality has frustrated you.

Here's your God wink.

Have a nice day.

[Elaine]

What on earth is eating you?

Rudeness on the forum I participate in is
all of our businesses, kennsington.

It's always "silly" to "worry" about  something, isn't it, when you're the one that hurts someone and needs to look at yourself and eat some humble pie.  Yeah, pretty "silly" stuff -let's practice sweeping it under the carpet.

It's clear Bonnie thought with all your boxed quotes that you were talking to her instead of HR. I had to read it twice to figure it out myself.

So, have the harsh words paid off for you? Was it worth it to speak to HR that way?

Thinking twice before you type so as not to hurt someone is a basic etiquette on any forum or email or communication with another.

Why delete a thread  - this is something that we all can learn from and teaches all of us resolution skills.  How can anyone expect to reflect Christ's love if they can't resolve  a simple thing to strangers on a forum, kennsington ?

Did I think it would help? Yes, eventually I hope you cool down and become self-reflective and re-read your post to see that it was indeed unnecessarily rude --and you learn from it.

I have faith that you'll be able to grow through this ---and imagine ---to complete strangers on a forum.   If not today -one day.

You think we all don't know what it is like to be in a bad mood and take it out on another?   We've all been there.

[kensington]

Bonnie,

I'm not sure that God controls the steps of the righteous as though they physically could do nothing else. The ways of God control them because the righteous are given over to God, and the righteous elect to walk in His ways.

The Jewish Publication Society's 1985 English text of the TANAKH reads thusly,

The steps of a man are made firm by the Lord, when He delights in his way.

and verse 24 reads like this:

Though he stumbles, he does not fall down, for the Lord gives him support.

James Mays in his introduction to this psalm in the Interpretation Series says this:

....The psalm has often been read as advocacy of a doctrinaire moralism that believes evil is punished and good rewarded in some kind of deterministic, simplistic way.There are lines in the psalm that, taken by themselves, may seem to invite such a reading. The whole and all that is said must be considered.

As a result, this line from the psalm should not be used to advocate that God controls the righteous in some automatomic manner. Rather, God sees the righteous, and no matter what the world may seem to indicate (reading the entire psalm and putting this line in context), God does see the righteous and reach out to help.

Of course, the only way that God could help a stumbling man is if the man first stumbles. That stumbling can not have been caused by God. No, God is around and He supports, but does not control the righteous.

All of this of course could be entirely irrelevant if I've misunderstood your point.

I really just wish you would bow out of this topic...  it was a about a simple blessing from the LORD, because I am His child. You have to draw everything into some DEEP conplicated thing that it just isn't. Go away.. that would be nice... a REAL GOD wink for me. Thanks.

Well thank you for encouraging my participation on this board. It is rather common for threads on this site to take off on tangents. I am sorry that this eventuality has frustrated you.

Here's your God wink.

Have a nice day.

NO... I would not imply for you to leave any board.  I spoke about this topic.  Something so simple does not have to be made complicated to understand.   That is all.  Thanks for the wink! 

[kensington]

Elaine.... 

Rudeness on the forum I participate in is all of our businesses

I'm confused... is someone forcing you to be here? 

[kensington]

Yes, I asked the mods to delete this... I hope they do.  If not, it doesn't matter ... I'm done with it.  It's a moot point now. 

If anyone really wants to understand what I meant about "God Winks"... there is a book.  It's called... "God Winks"... 

[fanuvmxpx]

I say this bec I have never had a prayer not answered and now it's to the point of "Before they call I will  answer..." Is 65:24

How interesting. This is where I am in my walk as well. In fact, I do not ask for blessings for myself or my family. I enjoy simply thanking God for being God, allotting me the time I have and for being my Provider, and praying for others' needs.

Actually, the biggest blessing in the world to me, is when God directly asks me to provide for someone else's needs.

[MegaJedi]

GOD Bless you all.  even you Howdey

thanks, Why do I deserve the distinction?

Well you test my faith daily.  And that I need.  So GOD Bless you.

[Elaine]

How interesting. This is where I am in my walk as well. In fact, I do not ask for blessings for myself or my family. I enjoy simply thanking God for being God, allotting me the time I have and for being my Provider, and praying for others' needs.

Actually, the biggest blessing in the world to me, is when God directly asks me to provide for someone else's needs.

Yay, yes.   

[Mystery Man]

How interesting. This is where I am in my walk as well. In fact, I do not ask for blessings for myself or my family. I enjoy simply thanking God for being God, allotting me the time I have and for being my Provider, and praying for others' needs.

Actually, the biggest blessing in the world to me, is when God directly asks me to provide for someone else's needs.

Yay, yes.  

Do I get manna for something fanuvmxpx said ?   NO ?  Ah geesh !  LOL

[Bonnie]

Kensington, I'm sorry your thread was spoiled for you. Yes, I can see that you were posting to HB instead of me after going back and looking at the posts. 

[Mystery Man]

Someone was just having a bad day.   

Many thread lean away from its original intent.  I am sure it was not intentional, but people reply to another's comments which can lead a thread in another direction.

We need to stay peaceful and not make a mountain out of a molehill.

[Elaine]

How interesting. This is where I am in my walk as well. In fact, I do not ask for blessings for myself or my family. I enjoy simply thanking God for being God, allotting me the time I have and for being my Provider, and praying for others' needs.

Actually, the biggest blessing in the world to me, is when God directly asks me to provide for someone else's needs.

Yay, yes.  

Do I get manna for something fanuvmxpx said ?   NO ?  Ah geesh !  LOL

You're so cute and pitiful like most men - I give you secret manna, darlin', alot!!!

( My relationship with MM allows me to joke with him like this before all the cards and letters start comin' in)

;) Elaine

[Elaine]

Kensington, I'm sorry your thread was spoiled for you. 

Bonnie, this just shows your intrinsically sweet nature.

Kensington, Your huffiness has now oveflowed into long pm's to me.
I hope you get the bee out of your bonnet. And recognize soon who that "bee" is and get rid of him.   

"He" is the enemy not you or me.

[Mystery Man]

How interesting. This is where I am in my walk as well. In fact, I do not ask for blessings for myself or my family. I enjoy simply thanking God for being God, allotting me the time I have and for being my Provider, and praying for others' needs.

Actually, the biggest blessing in the world to me, is when God directly asks me to provide for someone else's needs.

Yay, yes.  

Do I get manna for something fanuvmxpx said ?   NO ?  Ah geesh !  LOL

You're so cute and pitiful like most men - I give you secret manna, darlin', alot!!!

( My relationship with MM allows me to joke with him like this before all the cards and letters start comin' in)

;) Elaine

Am I that transparent ?  LOL

[Elaine]

Am I that transparent ?  LOL

Yes, my dear, most men are -they all just want love and
the occassional pat on the back.
They're so cute and easy to please.

[kensington]

Bonnie...  Thank you for the apology.   I'm sorry it wasn't more clear as to who I was speaking to...  "quotes" happen that way.


Elaine... you are out of line.  This didn't concern you, it had nothing to do with you, you stuck your bee into something that was NONE OF YOUR business... just like you do in debate and others threads.  I don't care what you think.  It was a misunderstanding between Bonnie and I...  why you keep taking stage for your speeches, I can only imagine.  I went to you in PM to do the right thing an speak my mind to you in private... you know, like the word says... "Go to a brother privately"... something you can't seem to do. I asked you to leave me alone and to let this go, since it doesn't concern you.  Which is truth.

Bonnie can, and I can let it go (as it was between us) ... but you can't.  Okay...  then I'll tell you outright here... IT WAS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS SISTER.   The BEE in my cap is you.  No one else.  I know who I am in Christ and it is just silly that people like you who don't know boundaries in life, and then are rejected for their ignorant behavior... want to claim to the other person it must be "SATAN" in them. BUNK... spiritual BUNK is what that is.

But, note... Bonnie and I did not need you to work this out, we spoke in private (PM), we spoke here, and it was done... you are in something that was NEVER your business and this is the 4th time now YOU have brought up something you needed to ignore to begin with.  Shades of "GET A LIFE"... comes to mind. 

Don't accuse me of being influenced by satan again...  NO WHERE does the BIBLE say if someone falsely accuses you and it angers you, that is sin or that satan is at work.   It's a violation of rules and I'm reporting it.   Leave me alone.  I'm fine with the Mods reading the short PM I wrote you telling you this was none of your busines... That you are bringing it up here, just shows what you are made of.

[OneLung]

Most of my adult life I have found that "preaching to the choir" quickly becomes boring.  I much prefer discussing/debating with people who think the opposite of the way I do. And I always try to "pry" deep enough to find out why we have opposite opinions. On occasion, this has resulted in me changing my opinion on specific aspects of some topics. On other occasions, it resulted in someone else changing theirs.  I have only two requisites for engaging in debate. One, I have to be under the impression that my opponent is intelligent. And two, I must be reasonably assured that they are not too thin-skinned to be objectional.

This is a public forum.  If I reply to a specific post, not only will the intended recipient read it, so will dozens of others. There is often a high probability that some of those readers will disagree. Sometimes, someone will play the "I'm offended" card as a means of trying to censor my post because they have no reasonable rebuttal. Three years of experience on this forum tells me that the admin and moderators are very good at detecting and ignoring this small-minded tactic. Which is why I'm still here.

In reality, if someone here were to call me an idiot, the only way that would truly offend me is if, subconsciously, I believe it.

[Bonnie]

The thread started out as someone thankful to the Lord for his overshadowing love and mercy.  We have so many promises from God in the Bible and I believe them all.    He is mighty and powerful and an ever present help in the time of trouble.

He told the Apostles, I will never leave you nor forsake you. I'll be with you always even until the end of the world.  I believe all Christians have that promise.  All may not benefit from it because it's also based on faith.  Jesus could not do many miracles in a certain place and he said the reason why was due to lack of faith.

Is there anything too big or too little for our God?  No, all things are possible with him to them that believe.  If we pray a prayer and don't believe that He will perform it then the prayer is in vain.  Some people pray amiss or ask things not according to His divine will.  We're probably all guilty of that one.

The prayer of the righteous avails much!

People get to questioning God... why isn't this that way or why are these better off than most, etc.?  We obviously don't have all the answers and it's not good to question God.  If He took all the suffering away from every part of the world, then wouldn't we be in heaven?

God Bless

[kensington]

I understand, most people would not pray to be kept from a simple cold. 

But, I do... my son has asthma and a simple cold can land him in the hospital on oxygen. 

My husband is deployed,  I have had health issues to deal with this year, and still more to come, I have teens at home, and having to deal with replacing glasses is one less thing I need.  So.. yep... that was a God wink for me.  You bet it was.  I have panic attacks when I go grocery shopping alone.  Do I think that God sees me and provides according to His riches?  YES...  The word says His eye is on the sparrow... why wouldn't He care if I can see to drive at night or not?  (read the signs).   

I don't like being out at night alone, and I've missed my exit more than once when I didn't have those glasses... so after I got them, I sure didn't want to lose them.