God Raised Up the SDA Church to Restore

[davidandme]

i am quilty as charged. amongst sinners, i am chief

Don't tell me...confess to God, ask for HIS forgiveness.

ok, so you dont break any commandments and are going to heaven, correct?tell me how you do it

keeping any or all commandments will not save you Wayne.  Only Jesus saves.  But one of the evidence of a save person is when a person recognizes that the Laws of God should be kept.

[wayne]

ok, so i recognize gods laws should be kept. how does that relate to the SDA? the devils know the bible by heart, and believe in god more than humans do. should they join the SDA?

[davidandme]

Dear Brother davidandme, I know where you're coming from, or at least think I do; I do not know others who are boasting in their works.

When someone tells me that if I do not accomplish following the law, and I'm going to hell for breaking a law, and me and you both know we all fail God, there needs to be testimony to their righteousness.

Having talked with you for some time, I believe you know my stance on Jesus being my rest, I do not restrict myself on certain foods, etc. But here comes one along and declares they do all these things, and I doubt the whole truth is in them.

I haven't seen the law tell us to do the best you can; it says to not fail in one point or be guilty of all. So here we have a law keeper breaking all the law probably on a regular basis, but I can't even get them to admit they ever break a law. I just hope they still base their salvation somewhat on what Jesus' did; not all on what they do to earn their own salvation.

I don't mean to get involved here, and become a thorn in the side of others, other than when a thread I replied to on a different board gets transferred to here. A funny story comes to mind you may have heard before referring to those thinking they're the only ones in heaven. One in heaven asks another; who are those way over there? Shhh! They think they're the only ones here. Normally I have heard this referring to Baptists. 

Again, may God bless you Davidandme in your walk with God, and for Him in the blessed name of Jesus - larry2

The role of the Laws of God are not to be  merciful.  All the Laws do is point out our sins.  They do us a favor because they show the will of God for us.  It should be our will to keep the Laws given by God.  Can we keep them all with this sinful body? Jesus did it.  So can we.  So how did Jesus do it?  He was subject to his heavenly Father at all times.  Have anybody else on this earth done it?  Not that I know off.  Is it possible to be save even if we fail to keep these commandments?  Yes.  If Jesus covers with His robes of righteousness. 1 Jo 2:1  My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

[3AM]

i am quilty as charged. amongst sinners, i am chief

Don't tell me...confess to God, ask for HIS forgiveness.

ok, so you dont break any commandments and are going to heaven, correct?tell me how you do it

The Bible has all the information a person needs.

[wayne]

i am quilty as charged. amongst sinners, i am chief

Don't tell me...confess to God, ask for HIS forgiveness.

ok, so you dont break any commandments and are going to heaven, correct?tell me how you do it

The Bible has all the information a person needs.

well ok, you got me there. i have to agree

[davidandme]

ok, so i recognize gods laws should be kept. how does that relate to the SDA? the devils know the bible by heart, and believe in god more than humans do. should they join the SDA?

The SDA church is one of the very few christian churches that believe that all of the laws of the Ten Commandments should be kept even today.

[wayne]

well dave, i cant name a christian religion that doesnt reccomend keeping the commandments. but 2, besides your beloved church, come to mind as to being stickelers about keeping the commandments; the JWs and the mormons.i know some JWs and some mormons. can i get 1 of each of you in a cage match? 3 man battle royal.ill join the church of the winner. dave, what other way is there to tell whos religion is the rite one? one consolation for you bro dave, just between u and me, those JWs are scrawny little red nose faggots. you can take him out fast.

[3AM]

well dave, i cant name a christian religion that doesnt reccomend keeping the commandments.

God has never authorized Sunday worship services.


God says:  20:8   Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.  

 20:9   Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:  

 20:10   But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:  

 20:11   For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.  

[wayne]

well dave, i cant name a christian religion that doesnt reccomend keeping the commandments.

God has never authorized Sunday worship services.


God says:  20:8   Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.  

 20:9   Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:  

 20:10   But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:  

 20:11   For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.  

brother 3AM, you are straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel. no man is justified by the law. we can have a worship service any and every day of the week. rite? is it wrong to have a worship service on tuesday? or does your religion tie your hands and tell you when you can worship. well, you can have that legalistic religion. good luck

[3AM]

brother 3AM, you are straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel. no man is justified by the law.

God says so.....Romans  2:13   (For not the hearers of the law [are] just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 

we can have a worship service any and every day of the week. rite? is it wrong to have a worship service on tuesday? or does your religion tie your hands and tell you when you can worship.

God made this claim to ONLY one day of the week..... 20:20   And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God.  

well, you can have that legalistic religion. good luck

I see...then Jesus Christ was a legalist, when HE told Christians, to keep the Law of God ?
"IF you love me, keep My Commandments", (John 14:15)

[wayne]

there are people who break the laws on purpose, like thieves. jesus wants us to follow the law. even though he knows we will break it. the sabboth was made for man, not man for the sabboth. yes the sabboth is saturday

[davidandme]

there are people who break the laws on purpose, like thieves. jesus wants us to follow the law. even though he knows we will break it. the sabboth was made for man, not man for the sabboth. yes the sabboth is saturday

The Sabbath is not a burden fro thouse who love Jesus.

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

I think Larry has a good point.

[Bon Voyage]

there are people who break the laws on purpose, like thieves. jesus wants us to follow the law. even though he knows we will break it. the sabboth was made for man, not man for the sabboth. yes the sabboth is saturday

The Sabbath is not a burden fro thouse who love Jesus.

How about the rest of law keeping?

[davidandme]

there are people who break the laws on purpose, like thieves. jesus wants us to follow the law. even though he knows we will break it. the sabboth was made for man, not man for the sabboth. yes the sabboth is saturday

The Sabbath is not a burden fro thouse who love Jesus.

How about the rest of law keeping?

Same thing.

[wayne]

too bad keeping the laws wount do a damned thing for you.

[djconklin]

Not keeping the law is what gets one damned to hell for the sins that they expose.  The Law points the sinner to Christ in order to be saved from one's sins.

[Bon Voyage]

there are people who break the laws on purpose, like thieves. jesus wants us to follow the law. even though he knows we will break it. the sabboth was made for man, not man for the sabboth. yes the sabboth is saturday

The Sabbath is not a burden fro thouse who love Jesus.

How about the rest of law keeping?

Same thing.

And what does Gal. 5:4 say about those law keepers?

[djconklin]

Gal. 5:4 doesn't say anything about law keepers.  It is about those who are justified (in their own eyes) by the law.

A better text on law keeping would be:

1 Corinthians 7:19  Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

[Bon Voyage]

Gal. 5:4 doesn't say anything about law keepers.  It is about those who are justified (in their own eyes) by the law.

A better text on law keeping would be:

1 Corinthians 7:19  Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Romans 4

13It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14For if those who live by law are heirs, faith has no value and the promise is worthless, 15because law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.

[djconklin]

Excellent text!  Especially the last clause: "where there is no law there is no transgression."  So, since (according to your theology, or the popular one) there is no law then there is no sin.  Abortion isn't a sin, the Holocaust wasn't a sin, Hugh Hefner is a saint, there is no sin, period, everything is just hunky-dory and we don't need a Saviour.

Unfortunately, the text doesn't say anything about law keeping; so my point stands.

[wayne]

anyone know a good doctor?

[djconklin]

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[OldDad]

  Abortion isn't a sin,

Huh - I thought the SDA's were pro-abortion...

[Giver]

(Romans 14:2-6) "People range from those who believe they may eat any sort of meat to those whose faith is so weak they dare not eat anything except vegetables.  Meat-eaters must not despise the scrupulous.  On the other hand, the scrupulous must not condemn those who feel free to eat anything they choose, since God has welcomed them.  It is not for you to condemn someone else's servant: whether he stands or falls it is his own master's business; he will stand you may be sure, because the Lord has power to make him stand.  If one man keeps certain days as holier than others, and another considers all days to be equally holy, each must be left free to hold his own opinion.

[djconklin]

  Abortion isn't a sin,

Huh - I thought the SDA's were pro-abortion...

You missed the sentence before it.  That is the conclusion of such thinking.

BTW, SDA's are NOT pro-abortion.

[OldDad]

Just pro-therapeutic abortions, then.  Pro-choice.

[3AM]

there are people who break the laws on purpose, like thieves. jesus wants us to follow the law. even though he knows we will break it. the sabboth was made for man, not man for the sabboth. yes the sabboth is saturday

It is interesting that God made the sabbath for man....yet, man  (Christians) rejects the sabbath.

So, what motivates man, to reject God's gift ?

[Tantor]

there are people who break the laws on purpose, like thieves. jesus wants us to follow the law. even though he knows we will break it. the sabboth was made for man, not man for the sabboth. yes the sabboth is saturday

It is interesting that God made the sabbath for man....yet, man  (Christians) rejects the sabbath.

So, what motivates man, to reject God's gift ?

He gave us one day out of seven to rest... and I get 2 days off to rest every week.

So I reject nothing except for people obsessed with numerology.

[3AM]

there are people who break the laws on purpose, like thieves. jesus wants us to follow the law. even though he knows we will break it. the sabboth was made for man, not man for the sabboth. yes the sabboth is saturday

It is interesting that God made the sabbath for man....yet, man  (Christians) rejects the sabbath.

So, what motivates man, to reject God's gift ?

He gave us one day out of seven to rest... and I get 2 days off to rest every week.

So I reject nothing except for people obsessed with numerology.

Christians, do as God says to do...work 6 days a week....and, take the 7th day off for rest.

Christian do so because they love God......"IF you love me, keep my Commandments"

[Tantor]

there are people who break the laws on purpose, like thieves. jesus wants us to follow the law. even though he knows we will break it. the sabboth was made for man, not man for the sabboth. yes the sabboth is saturday

It is interesting that God made the sabbath for man....yet, man  (Christians) rejects the sabbath.

So, what motivates man, to reject God's gift ?

He gave us one day out of seven to rest... and I get 2 days off to rest every week.

So I reject nothing except for people obsessed with numerology.

Christians, do as God says to do...work 6 days a week....and, take the 7th day off for rest.

Christian do so because they love God......"IF you love me, keep my Commandments"

Does your employer require you to come into work on Sunday? (if not... don't you volunteer to work for free.. because after all you are supposed to work 6 days a week) ... if not then you are not obeying God's commandment.

What do you work on on Sunday?

[djconklin]

Just pro-therapeutic abortions, then.  Pro-choice.

Nope. Therapeutic does NOT mean pro-choice.  Just like killing a convicted criminal isn't murder and thus violating the commandment against murder.

[Bon Voyage]

Just pro-therapeutic abortions, then.  Pro-choice.

Nope. Therapeutic does NOT mean pro-choice.  Just like killing a convicted criminal isn't murder and thus violating the commandment against murder.

Nope, it is pro-choice.  It's either a '1' or a '0'.  Can't just play games to justify SDA run hospitals killing babies.  I am betting even Ellen White wouldn't think too highly of an SDA institution condoning the killing of the image of God (baby).

[djconklin]

Nope, it is pro-choice.  It's either a '1' or a '0'.

Not always.  There are cases where the pregnancy is literally killing the mother.  A local newscast had one about a woman who lost over a third of her body weight in her pregnancy.  So, here it is either kill two or save one.  What would you have done?

Can't just play games to justify SDA run hospitals killing babies.

I wasn't seeking a justification for any hospital or even especially an SDA owned one.  You might seek to stop imputing false motives.  You didn't ask anywhere near enough questions ot find out what I was thinking and why.

I am betting even Ellen White wouldn't think too highly of an SDA institution condoning the killing of the image of God (baby).

If the abortion was done solely because someone didn't want to have a baby, or other similar reason then I'd say that you are 100% correct.

[Hobie]

the sabboth was made FOR man, not man For the sabboth......jesus

Yes, The Creator made it and He blessed and sanctified it as well as rested on it.